Open 629: C9++ (Game over!)

[Kop]

{Nahdia}
{TheSoldier}
{Masquerade, Klingoncelt}
{Creature}

How serious should we take these reads?
Also, what order are they in?

I wouldn't be taking them seriously right now.

Town top, scum at the bottom. I've played with him a few times so know this.

Creature, what excitement were you expecting

[Kop]

So is what we've seen so far normal for Kain, or is it just RVS silliness?

Ranger, is it common for you to not vote in your first post?

About 50/50 I'd guess? I'd have to check.

I'll take your word on it. What about Klingon's single post is scummier than zefiend's single post? Because I actually feel the opposite about them.

@Kop: Why did you answer for Ranger in 14?

@Nahdia: Which posts give you the feeling that Masq is trying hard to look town?

Always have a habit if I see a question that I somewhat know the answer too.

[Kop]

VOTE: Masquerade
Friggin' tryhard.

I felt the same, but I've also done the same when I'm town or scum.

[Kop]

I think I'm going to have a hard time with KainTepes.

[Kop]

Is there a point towards those few posts, Creature, Kaintepes?

I don't see any agitation that your putting out there, KT.

[Kop]

Not wtoc, wotc.
Word of the crowd.

1. It's actually "Wisdom of the Crowds".
2. It's probably a bit late for that now.

@GoodNight: Early thoughts on people other than Kain?

I'm in the process of trying to establish some. This head just got out of a really gnarly game, so give it a bit.

Thoughts I do have:
-Ranger I want to think is Town, the teasing really reminds me of something I do as both alignments in Newbie games but it's a lot more open than that and feels right.
-Masquerade is giving me some vaguely newbTownish vibes.
-I feel like I should have a read on Creature but I don't.

-You're asking the right questions and look pretty Town but I have this weird feeling something's wrong with your tone. I definitely need to go back and remind myself what you sounded like last time we played though.

-Kop feels a little underwhelming but we'll see where that goes.

~gm

When was the last time you played with him?

[Kop]

VOTE: Willowmeadow

What's the reason for this vote?

[Kop]

@Creature: Why do you think you're being voted? (This is a real question, less strange than it seems at first glance)

Wasn't I voted? Unless you mean lynched.

I didn't think I was being lynched, I was curious about Ranger's reads.

Sorry if I'm butting in.

But the whole context of that quote you quoted doesn't mean lynched, the question is, why do you think you're being voted? If the question was aimed at being lynched, there are only a few people voting for you, and haven't designated you as lynch priority so it's far from meaning lynched.

[Kop]

@Creature: Why do you think you're being voted? (This is a real question, less strange than it seems at first glance)

Wasn't I voted? Unless you mean lynched.

I didn't think I was being lynched, I was curious about Ranger's reads.

Sorry if I'm butting in.

But the whole context of that quote you quoted doesn't mean lynched, the question is, why do you think you're being voted? If the question was aimed at being lynched, there are only a few people voting for you, and haven't designated you as lynch priority so it's far from meaning lynched.

I am being voted for being at the bottom of Ranger's readlist, this is why I asked him why he's scum reading me the most.

I understand that, but the question you asked to Soldier, didn't mention anything about a lynch, it was why do you think your being voted, not being lynched.

Or possibly I've misread it somewhere in the line.

[Kop]

VOTE: Kop

Posts read as fluff and pointless questions. And I'll echo this since it was ignored:

@Kop: You've been passive so far. Why no attempts to engage?

I mostly do early doors during RVS, I like to get a feel of what people are like, then I start looking at things when things starting to get serious.

I'm going to catch up, been inactive due to being busy yesterday and I'm not feeling too good in myself health wise, will try cram as much as thoughts out as I can before I go to the doctors.

[Kop]

Any posts pinging you thusfar?

Hey Willow, can I call you Willow? Do you have any reads so far you'd like to share?

Yeah you can call me that.

I can't tell if Nahdia was serious in the start, but they're definitely someone who I won't forget to keep an eye on. Gut says there's something off about Creature but for now I can't put my finger on it.

I like what Ranger has been doing. Pretty original RVS strategy.

Don't know what zefiend is seeing as fluff in Kop. I'm not going to comment anything else on this

yet

. I hope there's going to be more friction between them.

But in the end, KainTepes is the reason I'm afraid this day is going to end in a policy lynch. I hope he's replacing out before that, though.

There shouldn't be a policy lynch. What is giving you a reason you think there is going to be a policy lynch? Do you not think we will actually find a good candidate to lynch?

I know it's going to be hard to get a 100% read on KT, but unless he does something that is scummy, then yeah we can progress on that, but for policy lynching him, no.

[Kop]

Or he just said he was because he forgot why he was going to say he voted her.

This is a bit far fetched. Your trying to take a stance on something on the assumption of what is going on in another mans head.

If he forgot why he voted for her, then he could clearly state that, since he didn't give a reason. I felt it was a RVS post at that time, but I wanted clarification to that vote, since I felt that we were starting to veer away from RVS, with more questions were starting to be asked, not relevant to RVS.

He wasn't on my radar at the time.

He doesn't need to be on your radar for you to take a issue with it though, surely? Your reading the thread, you don't just think 'I'll not ask anything or talk about that post, he's not on my radar".

[Kop]

Or he just said he was because he forgot why he was going to say he voted her.

I might have misinterpreted this, but I'm reading this like you said he said that, or at least was going to say that. My apologies if I have confused both your statement and mine.

[Kop]

There shouldn't be a policy lynch. What is giving you a reason you think there is going to be a policy lynch? Do you not think we will actually find a good candidate to lynch?

I know it's going to be hard to get a 100% read on KT, but unless he does something that is scummy, then yeah we can progress on that, but for policy lynching him, no.

I said I'm afraid it will end into a policy lynch, but I completely agree that it should not. What's making me afraid? KainTepes' earlier behaviour, obviously. If there were 13 of me in this game, it would probably happen. I hope others don't get as easily annoyed as I sometimes do. Then again, I have no idea what happened to them lately but I hope they won't continue what they did earlier. Currently there's nothing to worry about.

Will look into acryon and GoodNightMsGreen's scene now.

KT strikes me of one of those players that does rub people up the wrong way. And we shouldn't be playing a game where we have to ignore said person because it annoys. I do have a feeling that I am going to have a hard time with KT, but not on the level of getting annoyed at him for his posts, it's more on alignment scale. His playstyle that I see, it's one of those where it balances on either annoying scum, or annoying town, there's no middle ground.

He's explained there is some personal stuff going on in his life, (hope that clears up and things get better), so hopefully when he comes back, things may settle down within the game for KT.

[Kop]

I AGREE, CREATURE IS PROBABLY TOWN,,

MASQUERADE HAS BEEN SUSPICIOUS MORE OFTEN...

Mod edit: Alright, your last few posts have been pure capslock, giving you a warning now, please remember rule #14.

Can you point out some of these posts that is giving you these impressions?

[Kop]

VOTE: Ranger

Something seems different to seeing her in other games. I just can't put my finger on it right now.

[Kop]

You cannot simply put a read on someone for meta. I can see what meta does on judging someones possible alignment, but you can't put a read on that in a completely different game. It's simply not possible. I don't care what anyone says.

I mean for example: If User A plays the same style every game, every time, in all alignments (WW, Mafia, SK, Survivor, Town), where do you place them into your reads?

Everybodies meta changes can progress, either in a better stronger way, or worse. Different roles also dictate how one plays. You have to take all this into account before you can come into this game and say User A is scum, he's playing the same way from the other 10 games where he was scum. It's not necessarily the case.

[Kop]

And I still like Ranger for my vote. There general style is something that I haven't seen from her, when she's been town.

Oh hang on a minute, I'm using meta from previous games.

So let me put another bit of information on to take it away from the meta reading I was basing my vote on.

I didn't like the fact that there was a little debate between King and Nadhia, Ranger claimed that Nahdia points were good, that's it. That's all she had, why didn't you press the whole idea, talk about the points, she decided to agree there were good points, then leave it at that?

Then followed by her few posts after that you read back and claimed there was nothing to comment on, 32 posts after your previous post. Why post that? Why weren't you pressing something? There's 362 posts in the thread at the time you said that. You put your reads out, you could have pressed your top scum read but nope, nothing to comment on.

The content may not be worth doing anything with, but you need to make it work. We all could sit and do the same thing and when it comes to deadline, were not even going to be anywhere near being where we would like to be.

[Kop]

why are you so focused on it?

this is clearly theory, so y u so vested in defending people who arent you?

Who says I'm focused on it? I've made one post to it, one post. That's not focus, that's an opinion.

[Kop]

Nahdia and King is a definition of focusing.

[Kop]

fair enough.


rangers real issue is that she is defending herself using ad hoc attacks.

Im the moron ranger, but youll be the one who dies

I'm assuming the bottom quote is meant to be in the top quote?

[Kop]

Why is he making you nervous?

[Kop]

I've read the last few pages, and Acryon can't have slipped up that easy, surely?

[Kop]

Sorry for lack of activity from myself, my heads been up my arse with RL.

[Kop]

My read on Ranger has changed, I was scum reading her, but I'm no longer now after reading her latest posts.

[Kop]

I wouldn't mind a Kingoncelt wagon.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Twice in this game, he has popped in, put them at L-1 and left. Yes I am aware SS flipped the SK, but that doesn't alter anything, it doesn't change the possibilities of who could be what.

King, talk me through your thought process. You voted for Acryon, without a reason to put him to L-1. Now this is your last read list:

Finished list:
Acryon - Lean Town
Willowmeadow - Lean Town

Creature - Null
GoodNightMsGreen - Null
Kop - Null
Pisskop - Null
Ranger - Null
Reubus Swagrid - Null

KainTepes - Lean Scum
Nahdia - Lean Scum

Masquerade - Scum

I haven't seen you chase Masquerade or voted for him, since posting this. Considering he's in your scum pile.

But now your voting for Acryon, for no reason, or even interacted with him, and you have him leaning town. What's changed.

[Kop]

I don't feel comfortable talking about the setup. All I know is there are 3 mafia,

maybe a SK as well,

and we need to lynch them. We already have 2 down, 2 more scum to go.

What do you mean maybe? The SK has already been flipped over.

[Kop]

I've read the last few pages, and Acryon can't have slipped up that easy, surely?

what the heck is this

It's simple, I don't think such an experienced player like Acryon can slip up as easily as he appears too.

Does it not compute that this wagon has gained momentum quite quickly? and so easily?

[Kop]

I wouldn't mind a Kingoncelt wagon.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Twice in this game, he has popped in, put them at L-1 and left. Yes I am aware SS flipped the SK, but that doesn't alter anything, it doesn't change the possibilities of who could be what.

King, talk me through your thought process. You voted for Acryon, without a reason to put him to L-1. Now this is your last read list:

Finished list:
Acryon - Lean Town
Willowmeadow - Lean Town

Creature - Null
GoodNightMsGreen - Null
Kop - Null
Pisskop - Null
Ranger - Null
Reubus Swagrid - Null

KainTepes - Lean Scum
Nahdia - Lean Scum

Masquerade - Scum

I haven't seen you chase Masquerade or voted for him, since posting this. Considering he's in your scum pile.

But now your voting for Acryon, for no reason, or even interacted with him, and you have him leaning town. What's changed.

I'm sheeping Pisskop.

As you can see I'm V/LA right now, meaning I can't devote as much time to the game as I'd like.

So for now I sheep the player I trust the most.

That could change sometime Monday...

I can see that your V/LA, but wouldn't be far easier to actually not vote/contribute until your back, instead of sheeping someone you trust?

As scum, you could easily sheep someone just to gain town credit, or claim it so easily.

[Kop]

I've read the last few pages, and Acryon can't have slipped up that easy, surely?

what the heck is this

It's simple, I don't think such an experienced player like Acryon can slip up as easily as he appears too.

Does it not compute that this wagon has gained momentum quite quickly? and so easily?

that's..... what? acryon is good therefore he can't be bad? you've lost me lmao

So what are you suggesting with wagon speed. The wagon gained momentum too quickly so there must be scum on it? Who is the scum in this wagon? Why are you ignoring the possibility of a bus?

There is possibilities in there. Something I'm trying to figure out. I'm not ignoring the fact that there could be a bus.

Acryon is good therefore can't be bad, I'm not saying that. Everybody can have bad games. It might be a slip, it might be a mistake he's been tunnelled into, or it could be scum latching onto it and driving a mislynch.

If there's a bus, klingon would be my prime suspect.

[Kop]

VOTE: Ranger

I'm not happy with the whole voting without reading the preview, I don't care the fact that it flipped over a SK, it could have flipped anything over, and it's anti town to hammer in such a way.

[Kop]

I agree. Ranger has been largely abscent too

Which is where my thoughts on his opportunism come in. I believe he has chosen his absence and presence deliberately based on what kind of pull he feels he could have.

She?

[Kop]

@mod VLA to Friday but can get on little bit before then.

[Kop]

UNVOTE: Ranger[/vote]

VOTE: Acryon

Something doesn't feel right with this willow wagon.

[Kop]

Kop

knows

I'm town - could be scum.

Consider this a prodge. While we're at it, yeah, I'm VT. That won't change anything and you know it.

I don't know what alignment is, but I just feel that this wagon formed too easily. Under no pressure.

[Kop]

What do you mean self hammer? Don't you not have anything worth putting into the game?

[Kop]

Yea no.

Ive already claimed.

Ok, so you're the cop.

Your N1 investigation was on a likely investigative-immune SK, meaning he shows up as innocent.
Your N2 investigation you never told the town about, despite it clearing another player.
Your N3 investigation we also haven't heard about.

Didn't he claim no result on SS, and SS flipped SK?

[Kop]

VOTE: Acryon

[Kop]

Hey Kop, I see you posting in other games

2 posts, none of great substance.

I am here now. Wanna talk?

[Kop]

Hey Kop, I see you posting in other games

2 posts, none of great substance.

I am here now. Wanna talk?

I'll be in and out this evening but absolutely. I think you're scum. Talk me out of it.

My vote that is currently on Acryon initiated from the previous day, purely for the fact that he overreacted on PKs claim. But I actually believe that is a shitty reason alone to be voting based on that, I've just never actually gotten around to building up my own case on why my vote is there, other than sheeping on everybody elses reasons. Whilst I am aware that does make me look scummy, but at the time I was losing out on timing issues with everything else so kinda went with the flow of the river, instead of trying to find ways of investing my time into this game and create my own avenues.

I have a spare hour so I'm going to have a look through again.

[Kop]

Hm, not sure if scum or town are more likely to be this transparent about the reason. My gut tells me that scum would try to conjure up a legit reason, but they may also just drop it if they know they don't have something good. That being said, if they didn't have something real, I'm not sure they would do it in the first place without something set up.

I just noticed you still have your vote on Pisskop. Do you still doubt his claim?

[Kop]

UNVOTE:

[Kop]

Sorry that I had to replace out, work was weighing me down which prompted my activity levels to drop. Unfortunate case of being a delivery driver, if I was office based, I would have been able to work around it.

Extra sorry to my team mates, Nahdia, zefiend, and sorry to HA for leaving you a scummy spot from my game play.