Open 631 - Diffusion of Power (Over)

[drmyshottyizsik]

drmyshottyizsik

who?

I took a few years off, but used to be well know and to some widely disliked.

And snarky what's with this vote? I need a better explanation.

[drmyshottyizsik]

drmyshottyizsik

who?

I took a few years off, but used to be well know and to some widely disliked.

And snarky what's with this vote? I need a better explanation.

lol

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

I think I got my first scum. This is easy.

*Claps* You're great at this!

[drmyshottyizsik]

drmyshottyizsik

who?

I took a few years off, but used to be well know and to some widely disliked.

And snarky what's with this vote? I need a better explanation.

lol

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

I think I got my first scum. This is easy.

*Claps* You're great at this!

Thank you. Now just tell me who you'r scumpartners are and you might just live to see the end of this day.

You are remember?

[drmyshottyizsik]

You should get that checked out.

[drmyshottyizsik]

shotty did just kinda claim scum.

VOTE: shotty again

Wow you and chill are trying way to hard to get this rolling.

[drmyshottyizsik]

shotty did just kinda claim scum.

VOTE: shotty again

Wow you and chill are trying way to hard to get this rolling.

Don't be mad that you got caught so early. Just try better next time.

I try plenty, I invite you to look at my past games and see how often people read me properly.

[drmyshottyizsik]

who?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Let's be clear I did not claim scum, I exercised sarcasm.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Let's be clear that that's still scummy as fuck.

I think sarcasm is much more of a personality tell than a scum tell. ou are making up scum tells now.

[drmyshottyizsik]

drmyshottyizsik

who?

I took a few years off, but used to be well know and to some widely disliked.

And snarky what's with this vote? I need a better explanation.

lol

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

I think I got my first scum. This is easy.

*Claps* You're great at this!

so... YOU ADMIT TO BEING SCUM?

VOTE: shottytea

I am not scum. I figured the claps would make the joke obvious. My point was he is not great at this. Are we really going to turn this into a band wagon?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm being band wagonned for being sarcastic

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yes, Kain and Snark both voted me for one sarcastic comment, I did miss your vote on snark though.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Nope. Jumping on wagons is awesome. Townread on snarky.

Are you really trying to deflect that hard?
I think you and snark are scum buddies.

unvote

vote lowell

[drmyshottyizsik]

Nope. Jumping on wagons is awesome. Townread on snarky.

Are you really trying to deflect that hard?
I think you and snark are scum buddies.

unvote

vote lowell

Um,

VOTE: shotty

Opportune much?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Interesting musical chairs going on there. Could someone from each side please present a case on either drmyshottyizsik or Lowell?

Nope. Jumping on wagons is awesome. Townread on snarky.

Need I say more?

[drmyshottyizsik]

In my opinion drmyshottyizsik is scum. He reacted way too seriously to my joke post.

This doesn't merritt a response.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Nah

Why am I not scum?

[drmyshottyizsik]

was post 98 not in response to post 97?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well post 97 is about me, post 98 is in response to 97 but not about me?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Wow.

It's a question are you going to answer it?

[drmyshottyizsik]

87 sucks dick

Come on dude, really. Act mature.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@DUPIN

Well, its good to know what you actually think : ). You should do that more often.

I'm defending shotty because I've played with him at least 5-6 times before, if not more. I've seen him lynched day 1 as town too many damn times to fall for that. And in all fairness, I've been guilty of getting him lynched day 1 a couple of those times. It's a lesson I've learned, and I have no interest in making the same mistake again. It's an easy wagon for scum to push, which is why I think there is scum on it.

Because of his playstyle he is a hard player to accurately read, which is why I reserve the right to do that at a later point. I concede that he could be scum, but I contend that his general behavior and attitude so far fits with both his town and scum play and therefor isn't useful in getting a read on him.

I'm shotty and I approve this messagre, but seriously. I encourage you all to go and read me padt games. I took a few years off. Rhaeg is right, there was one week I was lynch day one in like 3 or 4 games. I have a habit of sturring the pot regardless of being scum or not. My tells are much more discrete. So please go brush up on the shoty.

[drmyshottyizsik]

nonsense. ill be reading you based on motivation andpersonality, not stale meta and reputation

That makes no sense. A reputation is such for a reason.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Once again, I've been banned for my scum play before, so yes, I'd consider this more passive than my scum play. Also, looking at my past games, I'm not any more aggressive than any of them where I was confirmed to be town. This essentially nullifies your vote since if I'm playing normal as my other town games, wouldn't that mean that I wasn't playing as aggressively as my scumgame?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also self meta is fucking annoying. Stop using it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

no shit shotty's an easy mislynch, i could post a single time in this game and could probably lynch him.

Tell me more about this "mislynch"?

Again go read my old games

[drmyshottyizsik]

No the point is he just threw out there that you're a "mislynch", implying he knows who is town and who isn't. Scumslip there is what I'm getting at.

Good catch, I figured he was just referencing me saying I've been instalynched. But you're right, I think he slipped there

[drmyshottyizsik]

I can't tell if kill is scum or just something else, but I'll ask this.

killstory

do you consider yourself to have behavioural issues?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Man you must be another VI Town. PLing is for plebians who can't scumread. I mean I've already found scum in Snarky, but everyone's too focused on stupid shit.

Actually Rhaegar started the wagon on Snarky.

Doesn't matter much right now, I'll give Rhae credit when the game ends, but for now I'm just trying to get scum lynched.

No truly you aren't. You seem to be trying to make it seem that way, but you are just making a lot of noise. Now please answer my question to you. You are coming off scummier and scummier each post. I really want to be careful here though, because I think I may just not like you.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Chilledtea can you please read my posts?

Rhaegar is defending Shotty by pushing scum on the people voting on him. That is also how he is defending him.

Are you saying that acting opportunistic isn't a scum tell?

[drmyshottyizsik]

No that's fucking stupid. This isn't a child forum lmfao

Exactly, act likr an adult.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty is a bad player. Bad players are easy targets for lynches regardless of their alignment and therefor get targeted by scum early on. I chose to examine the Shotty wagon to see if there was anyone suspicious on it. I did not call everyone who voted Shotty scum, simply that it would be good to see if any of them did anything scummy when they voted Shotty. That is how I ended up with my scum read on Snowman, which I have already thoroughly detailed.
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I'm not bad, I'm actually quite proven on selecting scum. However, I tend to be a tad disagreeable and a tad underwhelming with thoughts and analysis for a few days at a time. I preffer long case and sitting back to observe and poke. I think you get a much better idea of the story when you watch more than one person at a time. This usually means I like to observe the social behaviors of people and there interactions, but also see what happens when they aren't interacted with and that is key. I've found that scum, when unmentioned tend to bandwagon and insult people, where as town, while it seems counterintuitive, will tend to stay a bit quieter and either ask a question and wait or try and bring new ideas or information to the table. The is why I would really like killstory to answer my question. Do you have social issues or are you provocative, bandwagoning, and pot stirring scum?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok mod xan I get a vc

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: killstory

[drmyshottyizsik]

I already made a post about why, I was just waiting on a vc.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty is a bad player. Bad players are easy targets for lynches regardless of their alignment and therefor get targeted by scum early on. I chose to examine the Shotty wagon to see if there was anyone suspicious on it. I did not call everyone who voted Shotty scum, simply that it would be good to see if any of them did anything scummy when they voted Shotty. That is how I ended up with my scum read on Snowman, which I have already thoroughly detailed.
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I'm not bad, I'm actually quite proven on selecting scum. However, I tend to be a tad disagreeable and a tad underwhelming with thoughts and analysis for a few days at a time. I preffer long case and sitting back to observe and poke. I think you get a much better idea of the story when you watch more than one person at a time. This usually means I like to observe the social behaviors of people and there interactions, but also see what happens when they aren't interacted with and that is key. I've found that scum, when unmentioned tend to bandwagon and insult people, where as town, while it seems counterintuitive, will tend to stay a bit quieter and either ask a question and wait or try and bring new ideas or information to the table. The is why I would really like killstory to answer my question. Do you have social issues or are you provocative, bandwagoning, and pot stirring scum?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Again I don't like to view reads as an individual thing, everyone is a part in the machine. I preffer to look at it through a sociological filter and right now due to his behavior, kts is looking like a scummy puzzle piece. I've been very slow to vote him because with someone who plays like him he may just be awful as a person. I can't say I'm 100% certian but he is my strongest feel right now.

[drmyshottyizsik]

id rather be called an asshole then a scum because only one of those is true. the other is lie that is meant to hurt my feelings.

Those where almost sentences, wanna try again?

[drmyshottyizsik]

do you think i give a fuck lmfao? spend your time doing something useful

I am, I'm baiting my scum hook, hungry?

[drmyshottyizsik]

No I just choose not to always type the word the. Also, I'm not getting pretentious, I either was or I wasn't.

[drmyshottyizsik]

No,* I just choose not to always type the word the. Also, I'm not getting pretentious, I either was,* or I wasn't.

The second was isn't need. Also, it truly should be either I was or I was not.

[drmyshottyizsik]

*Second one
I'm off to bed as well.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I believe that KTS is scum,, but AUTTI, what makes you think KTS as scum would find it BENEFICIAL to antagonize people and draw attention to himself????

Was that coaching or bad grammar?

[drmyshottyizsik]

What question?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Happy scumday

[drmyshottyizsik]

Look what you're doing. It seems to be working.

[drmyshottyizsik]

but AUTTI, wont KTS just find himself more easily LYNCHED because of that?? why do you think he thinks this is a good idea?

He has used self meta as a defense, and the fact that he hasn't scum-hunted other than snarky indicates he really isn't interested.

To be honest,he thinks being offensive is somehow acceptable and tolerable. Despite the fact he has been banned previously for it.

Isn't it possible that he only went after SS because he is comfortable with him? There is a reason he went after him. Either he is dumb, or he and SS are scum buddies. Classic move to try and distance yourself from your partner, especially if you are going to be lynched for just being a shitty person.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Its like a who can beat their head into a rock the hardest contest

That was such a great contribution.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I almsot asked to replace out of this fuckfest

Please do, you have added nothing but vulgarity and lurking.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I almsot asked to replace out of this fuckfest

Please do, you have added nothing but vulgarity and lurking.

I can see why nobody likes you and youre considered easy

Easy? Is this a scum slip? Easy for what? Also, I'm fairly well liked this game so far. We had a rough start, but I'm starting to see how the machine is moving now, and cogs like you are useless and not helping the town in any way.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Lets get one thing clear.

If you werent so much of a CantGetRight we whouldnt have stalled.

Weve got another player acting like hes selling lemonade at the white house and a third who's putting in so much effort my eyes bleed when I look at this post.

Again this added a total of 0 doing anything points to you already low score of 0.

[drmyshottyizsik]

We already have kain, we dont need a second. Nor a second moderator

So everyone should act like an uneducated and imbecilic waste of space? This argument is counter productive. Just behave and do something, other wise I will be requesting a replacement for you.

[drmyshottyizsik]

prodge

All you do is prodge! I'm going o call you prdgeny

[drmyshottyizsik]

*prodgeny

[drmyshottyizsik]

Weve got another player acting like hes selling lemonade at the white house and a third who's putting in so much effort my eyes bleed when I look at this post.

this is actually a hilarious description of me. im going to use this in the future

Spoiler: what's that I smell?

buddying?

[drmyshottyizsik]

pdodge

VOTE: SS

yeah i can get behind this wagon.

You are voting for him because he prod dodged? Also you a quoting a vote that was nothing more than a prod dodge as well. No reasons literally just a vote tag. Something is wrong here.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: SS

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

CAN WE ALL VOTE CHILLEDTEA,,!!!!!

KT is trying to derail the SS wagon it seems. If SS flips red KT is confirmed scum in my book.

VOTE: SS <<< L-1

Time to claim, my friend.

This is pretty quick. This wagon happened way too fast. Even looking past the call for a claim, in a set up like this I need way more reason to have someone seriously at L 1 with 9 days to go.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I never said don't claim. I said looking past the claim this is fairly quick. I would like a claim, it won't tell us much at all, that is how this set up works, but go for it. What i am saying is that we need to be sure.

[drmyshottyizsik]

As to snarkysnowman, this is really all that needs to be said in support of a lynch.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 3&sr=posts

Interesting. SS I want a claim.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Claim won't really produce anything.

Not saying he should claim.

But in this setup everyone is either a cop or doc. Claiming doesn't provide us with much

Ya I already said the same thing, but it does get him in here and posting.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: snowman

I'm satisfied with this being the day one lynch.

I'm not. I liked his response, and while it was to little to late, not posting doesn't make someone scum, they may just be board with the game, and town is 99% more likely to get board than scum. I still like KTS as our lynch for today.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: snowman

I'm satisfied with this being the day one lynch.

I'm not. I liked his response, and while it was to little to late, not posting doesn't make someone scum, they may just be board with the game, and town is 99% more likely to get board than scum. I still like KTS as our lynch for today.

You're literally blind. You have to be. There's honestly no way you're taking this game seriously. My fucking god child.

You speak like this and then call me a child, and have the balls to say I'm not taking this game seriously? Also, I think you mean figuratively blind not literally. You are scum and I won't stop pushing until you are lynched.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Does anyone have a reason for not posting/hammering?

I think KTS is scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

YES IT IS HAMMER, SO SNARKY MUST REVEAL HIS ROLE NOW,, OR IT WILL BE RUDE AND NO COURTESY.....

This is just awful. Seriously like, oh my god you suck!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hmm.. pista? shotty? Lowell, KT, PK?? We can even go for a no lynch considering we have at least 4 cops. In fact, I think it best to go for a NL in this particular setup. There are no VTs here, so we either lynch scum or a town PR, and considering it's 10:3 a town PR I'm not feeling extra motivated to do a lynch just so we lynch someone.

No lynch? Really why bring this up now? I see your point, but suggesting this as an opposition to an L-1? Now I'm more inclined to lynch snark. Is he flips town then almost is town other wise we have nailed a scum pair.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Isn't there a chance that even if he flips a town PR, there could be duplicates for that night? I think I've seen 2 night 1 PR's, I'm sure of it.

I don't object to a no lynch, but I find it odd that it's been discussed 400+ posts later.

Exactly

[drmyshottyizsik]

I have a Night 1 action, so let's not lynch me kthx

I don't give a fuck

This is also a really scummy thing to say. This claim matters. I still say maye we lynch him, but just saying i dont give a fuck is scumny and counter productive. If you are scum this game I will find you hunt you and lynch you, otherwise someone needs to get the ban hammer because this is incredibly anti town behavior and at best ignoring your win con or playing against it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

SS needs to either claim or not, but that bullshit where he kind of claims should be getting him kind of lynched.

It very important to me what he claims.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I don't see a no lynch as a bad option at this point. Tomorrow we will know a lot more. I think we are too likely to lynch town and since there are so many prs any day one l-1 is going to be wifom from hell.
VOTE: no lynch

[drmyshottyizsik]

if you want you can even lynch ME,, any information is better than a NO LYNCH on day 1

Not true would you rather lynch a town or no one? We are so much more likely to lynch town right now. We get a lot more info after tonight.

[drmyshottyizsik]

On its face, that argument makes no sense. Obviously a town-influenced kill is better than nothing. Also I more or less reject the notion that NKs give "information." That what people always say, but I don't actually find it to be true.

Ummmmm, not just the kill we also have ss to check, although he will probably be nkd if he isn't lying. Also how do you not get info? You learn thing you previously didn't know, that's the definition of new information.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I dont remember who was worse in this game, but I dislike how nobody is taking steps in ay direction

VOTE: lowell

I remember him tipping me off slightly before. Somebody who isnt lowell tell me why Im wrong

No argument here. I've been saying lowell and kts all along.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: lowell

Somebody who isnt lowell tell me why Im wrong

Defenders, I SUMMON THEE! Defend my honor!

This isn't needed, and I really don't understand your motivation here. You are either leading scum buddies, or being obnoxious. Howeve you aren't. THAT obnoxious. SO, scum?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Thank you, PK, for defending my sense of humor, if not my towniness.

But no, shotty, not scum. Let's work on this together.

Give me an alternative. I'll help you bus kts.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Great, let's bus KTS together. He's gone MIA again right when I was thinking he might be town.

Don't try to.buddy up you are scum. Let's be clear you are bussing him. i am hunting him.
VOTE: kts

[drmyshottyizsik]

I think I almost feel good about doing this.

VOTE: almost

See he annoys me.but convince me of this.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I think I almost feel good about doing this.

VOTE: almost

See he annoys me.but convince me of this.

Honestly stop. This is such a bad post like I'm cringing so hard I might die bro

VOTE: Almost

For wanting reasons? Seriously?

[drmyshottyizsik]

why the fuck are we still discussing no lynches?

Because you're scum and desperately dying for a mislynch bc you know it's in your best interest. that's why[/quote/]
I agree

[drmyshottyizsik]

Now assuming SS survives and no doctor claim on protecting him, we have two possibilities:

He claims a guilty or he claims not guilty on someone. If the former we lynch the target and see how they flip. If the latter we lynch SS (as he has performed his duty) and if he flips town we know his result is spot on.

In fact, let me put this in another colour so it would still stand out for skimmers.

Him surviving with an innocent check obviously means whoever he targeted is confirmed town (if SS is a cop), but we won't know that until SS flips.

Please reread the print in blue for this case.

What? He could fake his innocent read as well. If he has an innocent on a guilty member that clears two people who are guilty? Himself and his scumpartner?

omg the wifom

[drmyshottyizsik]

almost feels like town, but id lynch him anyway if we nolynch.

i wouldnt mind a kop lynch tbh.

Can we lynch him for this? Please.
VOTE: killstory

[drmyshottyizsik]

how do you expect to be taken seriously when you can't even spell my name correctly

I can I just don't.

[drmyshottyizsik]

that is literally the worst comeback i've ever heard.

do you realize how stupid that sounds? did it sound good in your head?

No it's just a fact.

[drmyshottyizsik]

A fact?

lmfao this guy is really trying to save face here

Yes it's a fact thag I can spell your name correctly, but I choose not to

[drmyshottyizsik]

A fact?

lmfao this guy is really trying to save face here

Yes it's a fact thag I can spell your name correctly, but I choose not to

this is the stupidest shit ive heard all day

youre thebone who brought this up

[drmyshottyizsik]

A fact?

lmfao this guy is really trying to save face here

Yes it's a fact thag I can spell your name correctly, but I choose not to

this is the stupidest shit ive heard all day

youre thebone who brought this up

BECAUSE YOU CANT SPELL MY NAME LOL

oh this is fucking cracking me up lmfao

Again I can I choose not to. Why are you making this a thing?

[drmyshottyizsik]

this is so fucking stupid.

"I CHOOSE NOT TO SPEL UR NAM FOR REASUNS!!11!2!"

Then quit talking about it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

im willing to wagon either SS or Kop, dont care which honestly

VOTE: SS

No today we lynch you. Snarky tomorrow if he is still alive

[drmyshottyizsik]

Wait what, how did this KTS wagon manage to grow all of a sudden? KTS has been posting like this all game long, curious as to why people first find it suspicious now.
I'm personally not interested in the wagon, I don't think he is scum.

I'd rather support the other train.
VOTE: Snarky

I don't really need to explain this seeing as I've already said why it might not be a good idea to let him live. Him showing up now only to put a vote on KTS didn't really help.

He has had a wagon on and off all day

[drmyshottyizsik]

^^^ 100% agree with this. I'm not totally sold on KTS scum, but he could be, and it's better than going after a potential PR.

Everyone is a PR.

Gooood catch! Lowel this was really scummy. What do you mean potential pr? Do you know something I don't?

[drmyshottyizsik]

^^^ 100% agree with this. I'm not totally sold on KTS scum, but he could be, and it's better than going after a potential PR.

Everyone is a PR.

Gooood catch! Lowel this was really scummy. What do you mean potential pr? Do you know something I don't?

You know what I mean. A RELEVANT PR to today.

I don't think I do know. What makes one cop or doc any more relevant than another?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hey snarky who and what

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Autti

You aren't even going to wait.to hear ss to place a vote? I don't see my self lynch anyone other than ss or a guilty today.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Im a N1 cop.

I copped Kop. He is town

VOTE: SS

Oh my the WIFOM. So either SS is scum or kop and pisskop are scum. Sigh.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Snarky, why did you check pisskop?

This is a good question. The problem is I don't see a scum SS picking pisskop as a fake guilty. But like I said the wifom

[drmyshottyizsik]

You literally just implied that kop had to be scum if I was

Well either that or you are afraid of being lynched and you want to make his look like scum. If you are scum and claim cop I will look very strange at someone he says is town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Fast day? No problem.

Directing the doc is dumb, but I'm going to direct the doc to protect almost. I'm buying kop's claim.

shotty makes sense. Fine with that.

VOTE: lowell

Really? Fast day no problem this is a very important day math wise. This is so opportunistic and scummy it's not funny? I still don't see the merit of my wagon, but since every reason given for it so far boils down to "I'm down, why not, uhuh" I'm going to focus on finding actual scum, and this my.friends is scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: shotty

If you think I'm scum why wouldn't you investigate me?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I investigated Almost because I didn't like how he asked the night two cop (myself) to investigate pisskop. It was striking me that he knew that PK would show as town, and deflecting the cop to an innocent, since he seemed he knew SS was going to flip scum. I just felt that Almost was scum for that statement since he wanted the cop to look in the wrong direction.

Hiw do you know PK is the wrong direction? I think I caught you red handed. Maybe you know Almost is town because you are scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I investigated Almost because I didn't like how he asked the night two cop (myself) to investigate pisskop. It was striking me that he knew that PK would show as town, and deflecting the cop to an innocent, since he seemed he knew SS was going to flip scum. I just felt that Almost was scum for that statement since he wanted the cop to look in the wrong direction.

Hiw do you know PK is the wrong direction? I think I caught you red handed. Maybe you know Almost is town because you are scum.

Because I knew PK was telling the truth that I am town. PK could still be scum, but I highly doubt it. He counter claimed SS, and SS flipped scum, so that gives his claim more credibility. Now on the other hand, if SS flipped cop, then I'd have investigated PK.

Wouldn't it be a hell of a scum play to cc your partner? Guaranteed town status right?

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: shotty

Now you omgus me really??

[drmyshottyizsik]

I investigated Almost because I didn't like how he asked the night two cop (myself) to investigate pisskop. It was striking me that he knew that PK would show as town, and deflecting the cop to an innocent, since he seemed he knew SS was going to flip scum. I just felt that Almost was scum for that statement since he wanted the cop to look in the wrong direction.

Hiw do you know PK is the wrong direction? I think I caught you red handed. Maybe you know Almost is town because you are scum.

Because I knew PK was telling the truth that I am town. PK could still be scum, but I highly doubt it. He counter claimed SS, and SS flipped scum, so that gives his claim more credibility. Now on the other hand, if SS flipped cop, then I'd have investigated PK.

Wouldn't it be a hell of a scum play to cc your partner? Guaranteed town status right?

Give over. It's stupid play because if PK and SS were partners, they run a high risk that the real night one cop could have stepped forward, and you instantly have 2 scum caught for caution to the wind play.

Think about it logically.

No it would have simply been more WIFOM, something that benefits scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Please don't Lynch yet. I want to have time to read this.

Also an FYI to everyone. There can be multiple cops on the same night, so don't think because somebody claimed n2 cop and didn't get counter claimedthey are legit.

Thank you. This wagon on me is baseless. I still haven't seen a reason presented today other than it was scummy of me so consider lynching a guilty claim.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Agreed.

Does anyone besides Shotty object to this lynch?

How about you respond to my posts in stead of stream lining a lynch right at the start of day 3

[drmyshottyizsik]

How about you respond to my posts in stead of stream lining a lynch right at the start of day 3

Oh, and I'm hardly "lining up a lynch" I'm on the back end of the Shotty wagon, and it ain't short.

Pst that's the.bad side of the wagon.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@duppin

That's the thought process I just went through. See post 475. You put it a lot more eloquently.

I'm not OK with a day one shotty lynch. Give me a case on almost.

Before today this was the last time you mentioned me

Yes you've explained why you did what you did and I do understand what you're saying but it doesn't change my opinion.

I still think you went way too hard in your defense of him only later to kind of backtrack claiming he was a null read

and you'd be okay with lynching him later (don't get me wrong, I know that'd obviously depend on how the game goes).

And befor that it was here
He's been null all along. There's been no backtracking on my part on that point.

See the bolded parts of my first post.

Shotty can be a sarcastic asshole sometimes. I know, cause I've played with him before a long time back.

That's a neutral tell with him

. I'd be more suspicious if he wasn't acting like this.

His behavior isn't indicative of his alignment.

What does interested me, however, is the people jumping on his bandwagon right away. Shotty is an easy lynch.

I can't say I'd personally shed a tear if he was given the noose myself.

But I do think there was some opportunism with the votes on his bandwagon.

And this next post was literally made like an hour later, or two-and-a-half hours of me being into the game.

I'm null on shotty. I want more info first.

I really fail to see where I backtracked on this point.

And before that it was this.

So what cases of yours are you talking about?

[drmyshottyizsik]

This post.

I think I smell an Almost / Shotty team.

VOTE: Almost

This is why shotty is scum.

Snarky jumps off a hot shotty wagon onto a non-existant one, but still maintains a distance from his partner. It's also why I was town-reading almost and was disappointed that he was investigated.

I can't defend other people's actions.

[drmyshottyizsik]

You don't have to defend what Snarky did, but perhaps you could argue as to why you think it doesn't point to you being scum.

Just a thought. Cause that is why I am going to vote you sometime later this evening.

It all depends on how you interpret the wifom. I really don't want to argue on this because I don't know what was going through ss's mind. I haven't played enough with him to know how he would act in situations like this so I can't argue either way. Depending on the player I could see this being a huge scum tell all the way to being absolutely nothing. I really can't say I know him well enough to argue for either glass of wine in front me. Now ask me something about my behavior or something I've said and I will gladly give a response. By the way this is more of what we need in this game. While misguided, this is productive scum hunting.

[drmyshottyizsik]

You're at L-1 by my count. Any last words? Role claim, reads etc.? Wifomy stuff we can argue about tomorow once you flip scum?

This is a witch hunt. You made no relevant response and ignored everything I said. I don't want to claim yet, the fact that you are asking me to this early in day three for no better reason than because is insain. You say you are the end of my wagon, but you sure are pushing the hell out of it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

No reason to claim or give reads? You're at L-1, with several people probably interested in hammering. Yeah, i think that is reason enough.

Not responding to you? You haven't given much of a defense against my case either.

But I'll play that game. Give me a post you want a reaction to and I'll give you my thoughts on it.

Stop saying you have a case, you don't. You have one post and it's not even from me.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well, if it's a one post case, it shouldn't take much to argue against it.

I already responded to it, you ignored my response. This is ridiculous you are arguing in circles.

[drmyshottyizsik]

OK, shotty.. you want a case? I'll give you one.

Short version: You defended SS tooth and nail. You did a 360 degrees flip on the lynch vs no lynch issue. If it was SS on the offer it's "no lynch is better". If it's anyone else then it's "no lynch is rubbish". You're most happy trolling or spamming just to look busy when you're doing absolutely nothing, and you had more than enough time to prove you can "read multiple people over a few days". Recently you've been sillier than silly trying to fins "something" to cling on to.

For the long version;

Spoiler: Read on:

How about your opening 12 posts (#s24, 31, 33, 35, 38, 41, 43, 45, 50, 54, 56 & 58 all being with no content at all?

How about voting Lowell on 75 accusing him of being scum partners with SS? (The same SS you wouldn't vote at the end of D2, btw.)

How about returning to half a sentence posts after that for the next 8 of them (81, 82, 90, 99, 101, 103, 105 & 125)?

In 136 you're referencing to ancient history to make a case of yourself being a D1 mislynch more often than not. However, this is D3 if you weren't following and you still haven't done anything to help levitate your status.

Back to no content in 138, 149, 150, 157, 168, 223, 246, 251 & 272. Some of these posts are clearly done just to make you look active as you only quote others' posts without adding a word. Other posts have short comments that don't really correspond to the subject, or are some form of applause or objection to the content you quote w/o adding anything of your own.

In 273 you claim that you are: "quite proven on selecting scum." Your process relies on watching a few people simultaneously for a multiple days (and I'm assuming you meant week days, bc it doesn't make much sense if you needed "a few days" and meant game days). Well, it's been well over 2 weeks and you still haven't as much as pointed a finger on someone who flipped scum.

275 is requesting a VC and 289 is you starting the wagon on KTS, then 291 is another half a liner.

293 Is you quoting yourself with nothing more to add, and 295 is restating what you stated in 273 & quoted in 293.

297, 299, 301, 304, 305, 308, 310, 312, 314 are 9 posts that mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

317 was your first attempt to try like you're doing something useful (apart from the fact it now looks like you were trying to implicate KTS and distance yourself from SS).

320, 322 are you being the way you are the whole game (read: useless) and 324 is you claiming you're starting to see how the machine is moving now. That was 12 days ago. care to share any observations??

327 is the kettle calling the pot black really, but -at least- PK has not been clogging the thread with LOTS of posts just to increase his count and look like he's active.

I'm not going to repeat this. 330, 332, 333, 348 are -once again- you being you, and 368 was you objecting on PK voting SS.

In 372 you express concern on the "speedy" wagon on SS, which you tried to amend in subsequent posts like 375, 380 & 383.

406 was you still objecting to lynch of scum!SS, still arguing his inactivity isn't a scum tell, and trying to redirect votes to your chosen target: KTS.

I will excuse you for 408 (irrelevant), and even 420 & 421 (based on human psychology).

In 428 was a good stunt. It then looked like SS was the lynch of the day, so you were lining me up for the next day's lynch. "Now I'm more inclined to lynch snark." when your vote was parked on KTS?? "If he flips town then almost is town other wise we have nailed a scum pair."?? REALLY??

The fact is you knew he would flip scum, so why not set me up already?

430 YBY (you being you), and 448 looks fake in hindsight. 457 in null, but 487 was a 180 degrees flip on your initial opposition to the NL @ L-1. It -of course- looked alright then, but seeing as SS flipped scum it looks much worse now.

starting #500 you're now arguing FOR a no lynch, and you continue that in 502, but in 505 you suddenly liked the idea of PK voting Lowell in a blatant applause of ANY MOVE that relieves the pressure off your scum buddy.

In 507 you continue to softly mud sling Lowell, and in 510 you're appetite for a lynch is back on full health. It's either Lowell or KTS now.

In 515 you're back on KTS, and in 558 you're looking for a reason to switch to me.

The ONLY lynch you were strongly opposed to was SS' and to the limit you flipped 180 degrees from "a lynch is a must" stance to "a no lynch is better" stance.

560 is one post I'm also willing to back you up with, but 571 was you completing your 360 degrees roll over. Now you agree I'm scum for promoting a NL??? What happened to your 500 & 502???

584 is down playing ANY consideration of an SS lynch, and then you start the counter wagon for real re-voting KTS in 619 as if to remind everybody there's a lynch in waiting here. I mean, you already had your vote there, but the reassertion was indeed plausible.

621, 623, 626, 628, 630 & 632, are all YBY. You're most comfortable trolling just as long as it's not SS on the table. Once it gets to SS you fight it back tooth and nail, as seen in 650 & 663, and you're back to silly nitpicking and mud slinging in 665.

668 ends your D1 trolling.

On D2 you're waiting for Snarky's result to push on Pk, but when PK claimed it became WIFOM and "one of them is scum", then on 720

you continue trying to buy SS another day.

This continues in 725, but it was well out of control.

D3 you started pushing Lowell for the umpteenth time in 770. You played dumb in 772, and you continue to do so in 776, 779, 781, 787, etc etc etc.

And the best part is your scum buddy Autti outed himself as well, so it's a slam dunk.

Your long version is a list of shit and pointless facts with no reasoning. Alo is autti outed him self why don't we lynch him and dee ho good your theories are. Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch the one who outed themself

[drmyshottyizsik]

See the problem is I'm town reading most of you guys we just disagree, my biggest scum reads are kt and lowell and neither of them are posting. It's like they are leaving the town alone to kill themselves

[drmyshottyizsik]

id gutlynch lowell i def have no townrwea on him

Because he is lurker scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Seriously how do people not see that lowell us scum, just read his last 10 posts good lord.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I think Rhaegar (and to a lesser extent, autti) is the voice of reason of late.

FYI as to my terrible wagon, there's no way I'd be caught dead as the only person derailing a scum wagon, were I scum. If I wanted to derail, I would derail my shit out. I wouldn't just passively sit there and say "um, I'm not sure guys, I guess I'll pass" like a rube. so, no. Move on.

This is the.definition of WIFOM!

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: shotty because apparently he has a meta of getting instalynched

How does snarky know about this meta?

Interactions in other threads that I won't talk about for fear of a ban.

[drmyshottyizsik]

This post has been removed. Better to ask before posting things you're unsure about, shotty.
- Max

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: shotty because apparently he has a meta of getting instalynched

How does snarky know about this meta?

was gonna rebuke this with some comment about meta butits a decent point overall

Mod told me to shhhh so I can't say where or how.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Auti, lowell, time to make a pick.

Well Lowell can only omgus me then. If he thinks I'm scum let him vote for me but otherwise I'd like him to provide an alternative to him for the people on his wagon.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: shotty if it's him or me. Looking at Autti's list, and I also accept the claims at face value thus far, KT is the only other person I would vote for. I have pretty strong townreads on duppin and rhaegar.

You vote me in the same post you say that someone else is the only person you would vote for...

[drmyshottyizsik]

In addition to you, I mean.

In hindsight I'm sure you you have liked to have typed that, but you didn't and your subconscious is much more telling than your attempts to act town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Heh, okay. It's pretty clear the meaning, but fine, you win.

I guess there is only room for one JOAT in this game.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: shotty if it's him or me. Looking at Autti's list, and I also accept the claims at face value thus far, KT is the only other person I would vote for. I have pretty strong townreads on duppin and rhaegar.

THIS makes me feel much better about Lowell being town here. I still maintain Lowell & Shotty are of opposite alignments, but it's the "who else" that's been bugging me. My TOP scum read in this game is KT (but his absence + the availability of other reads kept from going down that route).

UNVOTE:

AND, intent to hammer shotty stated.

So him well if not me let's vote the next most opportune wagon makes you think he is town? How?

[drmyshottyizsik]

You vote me in the same post you say that someone else is the only person you would vote for...

i don't see your point. Elaborate, please.

What you quoted Lowell saying was nothing more than well I don't think shotty is scum but let's lynch him anyway to save myself. That is not a town thing to say. In the eyes of town lynch town and dying as town is just as bad for town. If he thinks KT is scum then he should wait for a replacement. Jumping on my wagon to save him self is a scum move not a town one.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I guess there is only room for one JOAT in this game.

JOAT?? Who is?

Both of our titles are Jack Of All Trades. It was a joke, nothing more.

[drmyshottyizsik]

So him well if not me let's vote the next most opportune wagon makes you think he is town? How?

did you read my post AT ALL??

P-edit:

Yeah, we should wait endlessly. ONE OF YOU IS SCUM. You should be voting him (and you are) and he should be voting you (and he is) regardless. It's up for the rest of us to decide which one of you is town and which is scum.

To me, I already had KT as the remaining scum with one of you two. Lowell also suspects KT and considers him the only viable lynch apart from you, so he is likely to be town in my view.

Are you claiming or should I hammer you anyway?

I agree in most cases, but when someone says that their only scum read is x and then they vote y there is plenty wrong with that. Especially in a game where 5 people are posting, 1 is gone, and everyone else is lurking.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Let's do an evaluation of Lowell.
ISO posts 0-3 are just RVS and one lines.
ISO post 4-6 - one liners and not much productivity.

Then we get this

Nope. Jumping on wagons is awesome. Townread on snarky.

Nah, you're wrong if you think this is scummy. Wagons are pro-town. Scum tend to flit by and play conservatively, town play free. You actually going to argue that town try to tone it down more than scum? Nah. But whatever, guy, you do you I guess.

This was an early tell for me. Instead of scum hunting he is trying to argue. He is making a broad meta argument instead of following up on any of his one liners.

Then we get a few more one liners.
Then he votes KTS with no reason, just a vote, followed by this

KTS is scum, but I'd policy-lynch him anyway at this point.

This in incredibly anti town and to me looks like scum trying to push an easy and fast D1 mislynch. He gave no reason. He is convinced KTS is scum, but then has to justify it by saying, well if he's not he is a PL.

This looks like a planned defense for when KTS flips town.

I'll let his next post speak for itself

I don't see the snarky case at all.

Then he says he doesn't think I'm scum, then he lurks and prodges.

And after 4 days of nothing he comes back and posts this

Eh, reading in ISO, maybe KTS isn't scum. And there are places where, for all of his antagonism, he's the only one driving the game forward.

UNVOTE:

Still not seeing snarky case. let me see if I can find another.

Notice how he still "isn't seeing the snarky case", this was before SS claimed THEN

I believe in snarky LESS after the claim, actually. But hey what do I know. The good news is fake claims only last a day, so we can do this all again if it comes to it. I basically agree with Autti is what I'm saying, I guess.

Now he changes and acts like well I believe SS even less now, when he was the one fighting against the SS wagon the whole time. He also is admittedly relying on autti for him reads, because scum don't have reads, they have to find inspiration to fake them.

Let's remember this too

WIFOM! But yeah kain is town.

But now he is changing his mind entirely, however KT hasn't really posted since he stated this view. Against his out looked changed because scum don't have their own scum reads. He simply changed his point of view to seem more agreeable to the people who want to lynch him. I wouldn't be surprised if KT and Lowell are buddies based on this.

VOTE: lowell

Somebody who isnt lowell tell me why Im wrong

Defenders, I SUMMON THEE! Defend my honor!

I still hate this post it is so scummy, as I said right after he posted it.

Then, 4 posts after swearing KT is town we get this

I'm officially on the Almost50 townwagon. And, so help me, the KTS townwagon as well.

This is so opportunistic! Lowell jumps and pushes any wagon he can hope to get moving. BUT AGAIN NO REASONS OF HIS OWN! Scum can't tell you why someone is scum because they know they aren't.

Again two posts later we get this

You know, I think I'm going to go with my gut on this. There's a three-way discussion about nothing unfolding, and I get great vibes from two and fraud vibes from another.

VOTE: chilled

Be with me on this, sheeple.

He gives no reason other than "vibes" and tries to get the chilled wagon going, also so far look at the wagons of dead people that lowel has pushed and look at their alignment. Then, look at the dead people he defended and look at their alignment.

Now let's look at day 2. After snarky is pretty much proven to be scum look how fast lowel jumps in to make it look like he was never trying to stop his lynch day 1

VOTE: snarky

doesn't get easier than this. talk is for weaklings. I am a man of action.

This is his only real post in d-2 and then we get to day 3

Fast day? No problem.

Directing the doc is dumb, but I'm going to direct the doc to protect almost. I'm buying kop's claim.

shotty makes sense. Fine with that.

Again the first thing lowell tries to do is get a quick and reason less quick lynch going. He against gives no reason, but rather reinforces other peoples ideas.

But let's be clear he does try and cover this up here

Fine with the lynch. I don't see the obvscum-ness that others do, but that's fine.

He goes from, quick day quick lynch no prob, to let's do it but it'll be you guys not me. He knows I am town and town and doesn't want to seem to aggressive. How do you guys not find it weird that he started my wagon, got people on it, then bailed and was the last one to jump back on, that is scum.


I think this one speaks for itself

Why are you fine if you don't see him as scum?

I guess I read him nullish. I had a scumread, then a townread, then who knows. So you're saying you only vote for people you STRONGLY believe are scum? That sounds exhausting.

Then this

I more often than not approach this game in terms of townreads. If I have two or three solid townreads, and they seem to agree on lynching someone I otherwise don't really care about, then I figure sure, why not.

Of course he has town reads. He already knows who scum is, he is trying to figure out PRs.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I will claim I promise, but I'm asking you to let the others on my wagon respond to my case on lowel first. I don't want to claim unless I have to.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Night 4 cop

[drmyshottyizsik]

We have three more chances to hit scum. Day 3 4 and 5. If we mislynch 3 and 4, we could be stuck in bad situation day 5. Cause I'm not really buying this claim.

Is there a claim you would have bought?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Everyone is cop or doc. so unless someone who has already used their abilities volunteers, its not clear how anyone in danger of being lynched WON'T claim exactly what shotty did.

Are you asking.for a mass claim d3? Can we lynch lowell already

[drmyshottyizsik]

Are you asking.for a mass claim d3? Can we lynch lowell already

No.

We will wait for Ranger to give us her reads. NO POINT WHAT-SO-EVER in ending the day now after she joined in and before she posted even once.

Besides, you have bought yourself 2 days already (at least

I

won't be hammering you) but Lowell claims N3 cop I WILL drop the hammer on YOU (better him bc he only buys himself one day, AND if you flip town he will be lynched tomorrow either way).

My choice is to wait for Ranger to give us some feed back and then decide where to press.

You just coached scum lowell on how to not get lynched. This is aweful

[drmyshottyizsik]

this isnt a setup where we benefit from it

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well I'm a cop so fuck off

[drmyshottyizsik]

welp then for my sake I hope he's scum.

You already know I am town

[drmyshottyizsik]

Towns fucked

[drmyshottyizsik]

So what if I am mafia?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm a mafia jail keeper

[drmyshottyizsik]

damnit, good game town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I already told you town won

[drmyshottyizsik]

Scum won. Thought it would have been super obvious.

He lies