Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]

[RadiantCowbells]

RC, I hate "pretty clear" especially when I am this tired and traveling.

~Titus

Okay. But I did answer your question.

Don't overlook the original case, which came a long time before the fakeclaim trap.
MKA is uncharacteristically quiet, for either of the heads to be town.

1) Me being 'quiet' is not and has never been a scumtell. Most would consider it a towntell.
It's null at worst. I demand town leader position as scum so I can lead the lynches on people I don't like and get towncred when I bus.
I'm not invested in this game for a mix of reasons; the primary one being that I want to let Raskol lead the show since I basically monopolized the blitz we did.

[RadiantCowbells]

Where's my popcorn.

[RadiantCowbells]

Almost just go on me.

You either force maf to kill you or clear me. easy.

[RadiantCowbells]

You get me guaranteed alive tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

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[RadiantCowbells]

Almost50 don't make that fucking shit a habit.

how are you even considering that after what happened last time you tried to make that proposal?

[RadiantCowbells]

So, yeah.

Pisskop modkilled me over a personal grudge.

I will never play another game modded by Pisskop and I suggest everyone else do the same.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not a private issue when you ruined this game for 13 people over a stupid grudge.

[RadiantCowbells]

So, yeah.

Pisskop modkilled me over a personal grudge.

I will never play another game modded by Pisskop and I suggest everyone else do the same.

Whut?
Any mod can make a mistake.
And need this happen here?

It wasn't a mistake.
Read his reaction in dead thread, realize that he called me out for 'making things about me' when I lynched him (when he was scum) in our last game.
And just use your mafia skills. That's obviously an insincere reaction. He exaggerated his 'search for pm'.
I think anyone would come to the same conclusion I did and I want people to be aware of it.

[RadiantCowbells]

And fuck his story is even inconsistent.
Now he's saying that it was about him 'screwing up the order of operations' by kills happening simultaneously, in dead he said it was because 'he forgot the PM'.
This isn't a hard thing to deduce. Especially when even a cursory read through of the game he was modding made it obvious who the intended BG target was and the situation would be something he'd think about as a mod.

No mod would have made this error legitimately. Not like this. On top of his reaction just being F-.

[RadiantCowbells]

You should care, considering the integrity of the game was compromised by his actions.

It's not like this issue was between me and him. You would never have been lynched while I was alive. BC would have certainly been lynched if I was alive.

Whether or not Ranger gets lynched is academic and it's besides the point: Pisskop modkilled a town aligned player over a personal vendetta and if you don't care about that you don't care about the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

And fuck his story is even inconsistent.
Now he's saying that it was about him 'screwing up the order of operations' by kills happening simultaneously, in dead he said it was because 'he forgot the PM'.
This isn't a hard thing to deduce. Especially when even a cursory read through of the game he was modding made it obvious who the intended BG target was and the situation would be something he'd think about as a mod.

No mod would have made this error legitimately. Not like this. On top of his reaction just being F-.

Because you seem so interested in this matter I have asked the listmod to step in for you.

You think I haven't already?

[RadiantCowbells]

I highly doubt that the mod error was intentional. Really doubt pisskop would put 9 players into jeopardy because of 1 grudge. This was most likely unintentional.

You do not know him like I do.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's just annoying because everyone's compartmentalizing their mafia abilities to mafia games and not applying them to this instance.
It's fairly obvious that PK mixing up the reason for the mod error, not apologizing for it, immediately getting defensive and attacking me for taking it personally, all indicative that he's lying.
If this were a discussion self contained to a mafia game he'd be speedlynched for it.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, as the moderator you'd like to downplay your attitude towards me so it isn't held against you.

I have nothing more to say. I know you're lying and that you did this intentionally.

If others refuse to see what is right before their face, that is their prerogative.

[RadiantCowbells]

If the mod error was intentional then what happened was basically pisskop kind of ruined his own game and I fail to see why he would do that. There is no reason, he probably felt pretty bad about it himself.

Did he apologize or did he berate me for making things about me?
Is there any indicator that he felt a shred of remorse?
He would do it because he's nursing a stupid grudge against me because I lynched him when he was scum, to the point where he reported me to get me modkilled in that game.

[RadiantCowbells]

RC, Stop. Or Ill have nothing left to do but lock the thread and report this harassing behavior as well

This is a thread about a game and I'm talking about what happened in the game.

Lock the thread.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hell, do you think this is how PK reacts if it wasn't intentional?
Trying to silence me?

If he legitimately fucked up and I was getting on my case about it that's not how anyone would react. we all know this.

you don't want silence unless you have something to hide.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's straight up diversion.

Whether or not Raskol agrees with me doesn't change facts.
What this thread indicates doesn't change facts.

Your apology was forced and you immediately went back on the offensive to accuse me of making things about me.

[RadiantCowbells]

He is probably trying not start another fight.

I saw the dead thread and his response to a50 seemed genuine enough. If you guys had history he probably was very wary of how to approach this mistake.

Innocent until proven guilty. Also it is his game and if he ruins it himself then I don't see what we can do about it? We played in the spirit of the game, the end. And mod errors do happen, especially in complex setups like this.

Pisskop, I would like to give some feedback. Next time when someone gives a night action, please send him a receipt of the action through PM. You don't do that and a50 has no way of knowing if you caught it.

This is called confbias.
You haven't even considered my side, you had the decision made and you're not considering evidence.
His reaction was not even close to genuine. This may be the same slimy shit that you just don't see which led you not to lynch KAAG.

[RadiantCowbells]

Am I not correct?

You showed me in the KAAG game that you can't effectively read people's AtE's for genuineness when you townread all of KAAG's AtEs and he was scum.

This is the exact same thing, outside of a mafia game or inside of it. And isn't this why we play mafia? To see through those who would otherwise manipulate us?

[RadiantCowbells]

I've made my case. If you're not already convinced that this is at the very least extremely suspect, then that's your prerogative.
I'm not going to air out all of the dirty laundry between myself and PK here because I'm tired of this.
I just want you all to think long and hard about what the chances of a mod missing an action that was discussed in thread and then mixing up what the mod error actually was and it just happening to have ended up targetting someone that he bore a grudge against that was directly related to what was going on in game at the time (me 'making the game about me').

Bye.

Yep, inside the game. You can take your personal issues elsewhere. Seriously you are making this about you.

I didn't make this about me. PK did when he modkilled me.