Open 635 - JK9++ (Game Over)

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VOTE: ConManMick

voted me for Anarchy while being a conman himself! a distraction!

~Scourge~

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i think the lack of vote by dicey there is towny.

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Titus is basically confirmed scum at this point. There's a 0% chance this is what she'd do as town.

no such thing as 0%. are you two really familiar with each other?
~Scourge~

the last post was me as well!

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hi Titus

Hi. You should sheep me. Let's get a scum lynch by page 5.

VOTE: Titus

Sheep kill town.

- The most Radical of Rats( Radical Rat )

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Well, there's Scourge and I here, The Show Must Go On, and I think maybe Heartless is a hydra?

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yeah, Heartless is a hydra!
and, whenever we get our hydra PT, i needa talk with Sonic (radical rat) about that Titus vote.
sheep don't kill town. a complete lack of unity kills town. wagons are awesome, trust me.

we should get our PT soon, hopefully! i wanna put down a vote we can both agree on.
~Scourge~

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yeah, Heartless is a hydra!
and, whenever we get our hydra PT, i needa talk with Sonic (radical rat) about that Titus vote.
sheep don't kill town. a complete lack of unity kills town. wagons are awesome, trust me.

we should get our PT soon, hopefully! i wanna put down a vote we can both agree on.
~Scourge~

Would it be against the rules for a hydra to communicate outside of the game? Because if you're comfortable using Skype or Steam or something, that'd prove invaluable.

At any rate, unity is absolutely important for Town. But so is independent thought. "Because I said so" isn't a valid reason to pile on a wagon.

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hi Titus

Hi. You should sheep me. Let's get a scum lynch by page 5.

VOTE: Titus

Sheep kill town.

- The most Radical of Rats( Radical Rat )

Nah, sheep don't. Too many cooks in the kitchen do. Solid town unify. Good news is, you're likely town.

I'm curious. And a little impressed. The game has only just begun, and you've got reads like this already? Do you have a whole list ready?

Because while I can't speak for Scourge... I know I don't.

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VOTE: TheShowMustGoOn

Would also prefer the show stops going on, I think it really dwindled after season 2.

scum

Why no vote here? Missed this on first pass.

Why would I unvote scum to vote scum?

You had two scumreads by post 11?

Well I do have a day cop, so yes.

And just why in the hell would you CLAIM that? Unless you're a 1-shot, which then brings me to ask... Just why in the hell would you use that on D2?

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What's all this about a spreadsheet now?

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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yeah, Heartless is a hydra!
and, whenever we get our hydra PT, i needa talk with Sonic (radical rat) about that Titus vote.
sheep don't kill town. a complete lack of unity kills town. wagons are awesome, trust me.

we should get our PT soon, hopefully! i wanna put down a vote we can both agree on.
~Scourge~

Would it be against the rules for a hydra to communicate outside of the game? Because if you're comfortable using Skype or Steam or something, that'd prove invaluable.

At any rate, unity is absolutely important for Town. But so is independent thought. "Because I said so" isn't a valid reason to pile on a wagon.

it's not against the rules for us to communicate at all, since we're the same slot. unfortunately, i don't have either of those things! i think a PT would be fine, from what i know a lot of hydras use them. plus it gives us a nice record.

and it's not, but early-game i think flimsier wagons are fine. Titus said it herself, she's trying to sort A Show Must Go On, and a wagon is really useful for that.
~Scourge~

as for the signing, i'll do it, but Sonic will likely do whatever he wants. for the record, i don't use capitalization except in names, and will always sign! if there's no sign, assume it's Sonic talking.

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I'll do my best to sign as well, but........ I'm probably gonna forget like. Constantly.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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@3dice

Great, you townread us. Would you like to explain that claim now?

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( Also it should go without saying that D2 is meant to be D1 there. (

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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Cakes, i've already asked. it should be up soon. for now, you get to have us chatting in the thread. <3

lmao Sonic it's cool, i'll remember to sign! i love my name.
~Scourge~

preview: yeah i was gonna say, this setup is open. well, open with some randomness.

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Oh, I didn't even read through the list.

I guess I should probably do that, huh?

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anyways dicey, i want you to answer Titus' question seriously. why aren't you voting Aeronaut? or why didn't you, whatever.
~Scourge~

preview: lmao. ya, reading the setup would be good! there are no cops in it. well, regular ones.

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huh, fair enough. i didn't think the scum comment was random when i read it but your explanation fits. but did you mean that Titus pointing it out was a joke like she did it on purpose, or a joke because you think it was a silly thing to point out?
~Scourge~

preview: i thought it was obvious that was antihero, and not TTH. reminded me of that old joke where a character pretends to be a different one and says/does something gross/illegal/funny
and you're depressing!

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I read the setup because I had no idea what it was other then a variant on C9++, that's not a scum tell.

ofc reading the setup isn't a scumtell, that'd be ridiculous! he said not reading was a towntell for him.
~Scourge~

preview: he was talking about his townread on our slot, not a scumread on anyone else. weird assumption to make, Cakes?

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3dice and Anarchy are town

yeah!!!

This is one hell of a leap to make though. The fact that I haven't given you any content from which you could conceivably reach the conclusion that I was going to claim a scum result on you (or that I was even suspicious of you) but you seemed to expect me to anyway is making me want to throw out my townread so badly holy shit

Hey guess what this is what I'm like when I'm actually town.
Had you forgotten?

hey i'm only on page five or six or something, but... i feel like you're putting a lot of the burden on other people to like.. perfectly meta read you. i'm pretty sure that's just not possible, no matter how close you might be! or how many games you've played together, or whatever. i feel like you're responding to a lot of things with 'this is how i am as town, you know this' or variants of 'you should know better!'.
~Scourge~

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do you think they (anarchy) are scum?

No reason to think so yet. Just saying not reading the setup isn't exactly = conftown. It's a bit townish, no more.

What do you think of 3dice and Spiffeh scumreading you? Are both town motivated?

VOTE: Witch_Hunter
don't like how you were questioning the read, while agreeing that it's townish. if you find it townish, and he's finding it towny, why raise issue with it?
saying 'this person is town' early day one just means you're townreading them, it doesn't mean they're claiming someone is conftown.

i'm still tryna get a handle on the larger argument. right now it looks like Spiffeh is reading antihero based on meta, and RC is arguing that meta says the opposite about antihero's alignment. i just really don't get how all of you can be so confident in these reads, to the point that you can't just say 'well, we're looking at it differently'. it's like, 'you don't agree with me/you're not acting like you should be!, therefore you MUST be scum' and it just looks kinda ridiculous to me.
~Scourge~

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OK we need to start signing.
I don't even consider myself close to an expert on Anti but it's pretty fucking obvious that this is genuine and this exaggerated as shit push combined with it coinciding with my Titus push is doing you no favours.

-RC

you say you're not an expert on anti, and that the rage is obviously genuine, but how do you actually

tell

the genuine rage from the fake rage? like imo it's pretty easy to fake on a forum. how subtle are these difference that you're seeing between fake and real rage?
~Scourge~

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man you guys play mafia on another planet!
~Scourge~

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Shard what are you thinking of Spiffeh v Heartless and RC v Titus?

weird question. i've talked about both of these things!
~Scourge~

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RC and SirCakez, right now i think Spiff is town, Titus is probtown, Show Must Go On is.. not sure, really, i'm bad at trying to sift through that sort of thing, and Heartless is null? i definitely disagree with Show, but i'm not sure that makes them scum.
~Scourge~

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TTH reminds me of my mom-friend, it's so strange
~Scourge~

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witch hunter was also kinda' bugging me b/c i don't know why he was making a big deal out of quibbling w/ minor theory points if he didn't have a scumread on anarchy.

it came off to me as "scum getting frustrated b/c town were getting townread for bad reasons"

this is what i was trying to say earlier, basically!
~Scourge~

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Yo, it's Sonic again... you guys are playing at some insane speeds here, but no matter. I am very behind in the overall thread, but there is one thing I'd like to address...

I play for control in the long game. Do I feel like I'm playing for control here?

Yes. Yes you do. Shutting down any wagon that doesn't suit you is playing for control. Claiming there to be a 0% margin of error is also playing for control. In fact, since we've been out of the RVS I've seen nothing BUT you trying to dominate the thread and force your wagons. Will that change as I read the backlogs? Maybe. But right now? I'm gonna have to FOS you for that right there.

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Also, what is even with the Postie scumread? You scumread her before she posted at all or gave even the slightest indication that she could have been collaborating with Titus.

Frankly, it sounds to me like you're just afraid of her spreadsheet thing finding you, and want her out of the way.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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No, I have not read your other games. But this spreadsheet is rumored to have a "high degree of accuracy" and you jumped on it before anyone even brought it up.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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I don't think Scourge will mind me doing this, but she's free to undo it later.

VOTE: The Show Must Go On

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Don't worry, if you flip Town I'll be all over Titus and Postie.

But sure, I'll humor you.

I, Sonic "Radical Rat" The Hedgehog, hereby admit that I am lynching The Show Must Go On because RadiantCowbells is some sort of crazy Mafia Deity and I feel threatened by her skill.

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The fact RC is willing to be lynched feels p town to me. I remember he was super averse to that in 623 as scum.

Ostensibly, that is a Townie attitude.

The problem with Townie attitudes though, is that Scum know they're Townie attitudes and can do a reverse-psychology thing. The "Lynch me, but make sure you get these folks after I flip" thing has only been used by Scum in all the mafia and mafia-like games that I've seen. The occasional apathetic Townie has shown up, but I've taken to being incredibly wary of a willingness to be lynched.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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My read on postie is lean town. I also wanna compare her spreadsheet to my vca. The last game we played she was totes different. Of course we were buddies there.

I think you're scum because rather than calmly reacted to my suspicion. You omgused with garbage and made the game bout me drama.

While I still have some doubts about Titus, I echo this sentiment wholeheartedly.


@UpTooLate
I'm sorry the game is stressing you out so much, just try to remember that it IS just a game, and push through as best as you can! I don't want anyone feeling like shit over this nonsense...

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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You pushed me for inconsistent motivations because I wtfed a joke.
I scumread you for it.
I don't think there's any room for you not understanding my reaction. And that 'scumreading you for things scum do' sounds exactly like Postie's weird stance on me.

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=8199238

-Sonic/Radical Rat

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Sonic, you are a bad player and if I were scum you would be defending me to the death right now.

Maybe I am a bad player. Maybe I would be defending you to the death if you played well enough as scum.

But the best way to learn is through experience, so I'm gonna keep playing and "git gud" as the kids say, and you're not going to dissuade me with petty insults.

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{Aeronaut, Heartless}
{Ranger}
{Anarchy}
~null~
{ConManMick}
{Spiffeh}
{Titus, Postie}

But the best way to learn is through experience, so I'm gonna keep playing and "git gud" as the kids say, and you're not going to dissuade me with petty insults.

That problem is with you and not me.
I'm neither voting you nor myself.

What's got Aeronaut so high up there for you? Aeronaut's one of the scummiest players in the game if you ask me, mostly due to sheeping on an RVS vote( Following his scumbuddy? Hoping for an instant wagon? Who knows? Still, I can't parse any town motivation from that. )

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That not a single person besides you believes is a discredit. Yeah, we heard.
And no, you couldn't have not known that this was going to happen.
Unless you can give a legitimate explanation of what's going on with these things I'm never unvoting you.

You're scum so I don't mind you vote parking my obvtown ass.

Discuss my other fucking scumreads. I want to see if my answer is right.

Obvtown? Didn't you just say less than a page before this that you'd be worried if you were being townread?

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VOTE: 3dicerolling
Not really following up on anything.

I could see Titus vs RC as any of: tvt/tvs/svt/svs. IE I can't figure out either one's alignment with any kind of certainty based on what's been happening. And they're both focusing on associations the other might have.

Truthfully, I agree. Perhaps that's why I'm apparently playing horribly wrong here, but I don't see us making any progress until one of them dies and/or they stop with whatever grudge they have against eachother.

I'm going with RC because I find them more obnoxious/unreasonable.

Though I don't think it's TvT, so yeah.

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VOTE: 3dicerolling
Not really following up on anything.

I could see Titus vs RC as any of: tvt/tvs/svt/svs. IE I can't figure out either one's alignment with any kind of certainty based on what's been happening. And they're both focusing on associations the other might have.

Truthfully, I agree. Perhaps that's why I'm apparently playing horribly wrong here, but I don't see us making any progress until one of them dies and/or they stop with whatever grudge they have against eachother.

I'm going with RC because I find them more obnoxious/unreasonable.

Though I don't think it's TvT, so yeah.

Agreed that their back and forth's a pain for the rest of us, agreed that Titus behaves better, but are you seriously proposing to policy lynch The Show?

Technically, I suppose it is a policy lynch.
But I do honestly feel as though there's at least a reasonable chance they're scum. Granted, the same could be said for Titus, but I want this Show cancelled more than I want Titus gone.

Plus, D1 is the safest day to be wrong, is it not?

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VOTE: 3dicerolling
Not really following up on anything.

I could see Titus vs RC as any of: tvt/tvs/svt/svs. IE I can't figure out either one's alignment with any kind of certainty based on what's been happening. And they're both focusing on associations the other might have.

Truthfully, I agree. Perhaps that's why I'm apparently playing horribly wrong here, but I don't see us making any progress until one of them dies and/or they stop with whatever grudge they have against eachother.

I'm going with RC because I find them more obnoxious/unreasonable.

Though I don't think it's TvT, so yeah.

Agreed that their back and forth's a pain for the rest of us, agreed that Titus behaves better, but are you seriously proposing to policy lynch The Show?

Technically, I suppose it is a policy lynch.
But I do honestly feel as though there's at least a reasonable chance they're scum. Granted, the same could be said for Titus, but I want this Show cancelled more than I want Titus gone.

Plus, D1 is the safest day to be wrong, is it not?

VOTE: Anarchy

I'd like to policy lynch this attitude before the game actually gets underway.

Before you go policy lynching us based on the attitude of wanting a productive game environment, keep in mind that Scourge could feel very, very differently. She's been absent from our Hydra topic and this thread for the past day and a half, so you've gotten allllllllllllllllllll me. Once she gets back, I'm sure my attitudes will be tempered a bit by discussion with someone I know can be trusted.

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Also, I'm actually rather liking Aeronaut now.

Though could you explain that RVS vote, Aero?

If this has already been answered somewhere, just quote it, but I find it strange that you'd double vote someone before even exiting RVS.

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I have... Very conflicting feelings here.

On one hand, I'm a human being with some degree of empathy and DAMN I feel really bad for RC and UTL.

On the other hand, I have no idea what I can and can't trust because nothing is sacred in Mafia, and it would honestly be a brilliant scumstrat, if one that lead to bitter hatred of whoever pulled it off and a strong conviction never to play with them again.

However, I'd like to put my faith in human decency over the "Most Cunning Manipulator" award RC has.


Not that anything but my vote matters since I'm just awful at Mafia, but there's my thought process.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

My vote on Titus comes from my conviction that this Titus vs. RC rumble cannot be Town vs. Town, given the jumpiness and romanticism on both sides.

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P.s. 2 Anarchy romanticism really? That's my post style. Get used to it.

I'm sorry, I typed "pedanticism"

Autocorrect, Y'know?

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P.s. 2 Anarchy romanticism really? That's my post style. Get used to it.

I'm sorry, I typed "pedanticism"

Autocorrect, Y'know?

Oh. Well, not sure why the truth is pedantic but it's feedback that's not unique to you.

Not so much (either of) your reads, but the way you were justifying them. Crazy reaches and it seems like you two are just desperate to scumread the other.

originally i didnt remember anything of conmans so i was ok w lynching him but 536 actually isnt terrible

That's something I don't agree with. To borrow Anti's terminology, Post 536 is pretty "hatin' it."

He's spitting out a bunch of stuff to mirror the popular sentiment of dislike towards the Titus/RC argument. The important take away (the Titus scumread) isn't explained in any detail beyond "out to stir shit for the purpose of convoluting the game." which itself is just regurgitated from what RC already said. There's nothing there that shows how he gets to this conclusion, but there's plenty of complaining.

"I can also see a wagon on me being rather useful." is also gross. There's already a fair number of people scumreading CMM and he could analyze from that if he really thought he was easy target. I think calling for a wagon is a fake-out.

Ever consider CMM calling for that wagon because RC won't let it happen?

I move to Conman. RC votes Anarchy. When RC cannot doubtcast it, he pleads for a wagon on himself Postie or Anarchy because he just can't tolerate it. He never considers voting Conman at all and burying the drama. Now why is that?

They're partners.

This though... This is a brilliant point, and I can't believe no one else caught it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ConManMick

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Actually?

UNVOTE:
Frankly, I don't think I'm in a proper state for the critical thinking and judgments Mafia requires right now. I'll keep trying to engage, but I'm gonna lay off the voting.

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Well, Scourge is still MIA

But I am feeling a bit better today, so let's try to be productive.
First off, @RC.

Why the change on CMM? If you don't like who's pushing, unless you think the ENTIRE SCUMTEAM is on the wagin, then could it not still just be a bus?

Also I never replied to when you asked why I was "negotiating" with you. Simply put, I want to live. If that means I have to talk to a scumread, that means I have to talk to a scumread.

Then @CMM
Why aren't you posting anything but empty posts? You are aware that you're the current leading wagon right?

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I'm iffeh about Spiffeh. ( Eh? )

I've seen a lot of reads and a lot of LAMIST but not a lot of (significant) interaction, scumhunting, or explanations.

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@Anarchy, Hugs. Know how you feel.

Hugs, yes. Thank you Titus.

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I'd like to propose the ULTIMATE NEW WAGON.

VOTE: Spiffeh

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Yeah yeah I'm gonna read up tonight

I pwomise

PEdit: no stop

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VOTE: Spiffeh
Why are you scared of the wagon

Can't argue with that vote, but the antagonization concerns me.

After all... Town or Scum, the only people who shouldn't be worried about a wagon are Vengefuls/Jesters.

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Cakez why are you consistently pushing this narrative that I am reacting badly to pressure?

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Still, before I go jumping on any other ULTIMATE WAGONS...

I want to hear more from Spiffeh.

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Oh hey look MR I am going to jump on everything got on.

hey

i will have you know

that i have been found "most enjoyable" by a jury of my peers

where's tth's "most enjoyable" banner, huh? WHERE IS IT?

I'M THE FUN HALF

I assumed that was referring to Cakez.

You've been critical of Spiffeh for a while now, so it wouldn't make sense for that to be directed at you.

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You silly adults with your "Alcohol" and your "Hangovers"

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Oh hey look MR I am going to jump on everything got on.

hey

i will have you know

that i have been found "most enjoyable" by a jury of my peers

where's tth's "most enjoyable" banner, huh? WHERE IS IT?

I'M THE FUN HALF

This is about Cakey sheeping anything with a pulse.

you.

why do you think that I'm scum?

Please don't start this again. We've had you and Titus fighting for at least half the thread now.
Either be more specific with your questioning or move the !@#$ on.

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sorry for being mia, as Sonic put it!
i don't wanna just show up and wrestle the vote away since i've been absent but i don't like the Spiffeh wagon.
~Scourge~

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VOTE: 3dicerolling
Not really following up on anything.

I could see Titus vs RC as any of: tvt/tvs/svt/svs. IE I can't figure out either one's alignment with any kind of certainty based on what's been happening. And they're both focusing on associations the other might have.

Aero has an interesting habit of referring to himself in 3rd person, but I don't think it's AI.

If I criticized CMM on activity it would be hypocritical, but he is worth a vote.
VOTE: ConManMick

i'm not a fan of either of these posts! the second one is worse, tho. like bad.
Titus town, Spiffeh town, CMM maybe scum but davsaz is worse, still dislike Witch Hunter but maybe not as much on second thought. btw does anyone have any questions for me cause i've kinda been skimming
~Scourge~

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VOTE: SirCakez

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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To be perfectly honest, I did that just to piss you off.

Immature, perhaps, but... It was very cathartic.

[Anarchy Shard]

Who is Sonic?

I'm Radical Rat, but during my last game people took to calling me Sonic. I didn't object, because Sonic's a rad dude.

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UNVOTE:

There, it's out of my system. I'll let Scourge to the voting for now.

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@p.28 anarchy what made you change your vote to spiffeh over me?

Your vote was made after a long and exhausting day while I was feeling a bit like shit.

That vote was immediately undone because I recognized those things aren't conducive to any Quality Mafia-ing.

I came back after a good night's sleep and some radical birthday festivities, and decided Spiffeh needed a push.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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like this feels like that agme where you were scum and I was deathtunneld on you for your scumshitness but like you did what you're doing here

you smug posted and stayed at a distance and didn't really commit to shit and just basically voted everyone.

Is it bad that I think Ranger might be scum?

is it bad I think you're a moron?

boo why does everything have to have this negativity behind it with you?

Cake why are you making 0 effort to engage me?

Because I'm tired and not really engaging with anyone right now
But since you asked
what do you think of Witch_Hunter and Dave? Those are two slots I'm unsure of now.

i agree. also, this head doesn't like the Cakez wagon!

Is it bad that I think Ranger might be scum?

Worded like this, no.

If you suddenly say "Ranger is scum, trust me", then yes.

so uncertainty is fine for you, confidence isn't? is this a thing with Spiffeh specifically?
~Scourge~

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VOTE: Witch Hunter
Sonic and i are still working on getting in sync. it's my fault for being absent. this is here for now because we both think scum.
~Scourge~

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Aren't there like... Actual statistics saying that scum are MORE likely to replace out?

Personally I think that's more of a correlation not causation thing, but still. Definitely not Town indicative.


Though my gut does say 3dice is Town.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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By my count, Titus was at L-2 or 3.

Why would a doctor claim D1 at L-2?


It reads like she thought that was hammer, but... I think that was engineered.

If the Great RC would allow it, I'd like to vote here.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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I'm with Heartless, though I also have a sneaking suspicion we'll get to see this flip before long.

Upon careful consideration, I advise the dismantling of this wagon.

- Sonic/Radical Rat.

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Given RC and Titus' history, it absolutely makes sense she would do that as Doc.

I'm still very unsure about Titus and RC both, but that was absolutely not an issue.



What IS an issue is this "softing GS" thing though. GS is a scum role, isn't it? Who in their right mind would soft or crumb or whatever the kids call it these days with a Mafia role?

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Wait. I might be thinking of a gunbearer, not a Smith. Let me go check the wiki real quick.

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Yes, sorry, I got gun bearer and gunsmith confused. My bad.

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I'm gonna restart the Ultimate Wagon.

Scourge can redo it when she gets on if she wants, but she's not here now, and I've been waiting to talk Spiffeh with her all day.
Now looks like a good time to get his wagon rolling again though.

My current lynch pool for toDay is Spiffeh, Cakez, CMM, or

maybe

RC.

Note: Witch_Hunter is off of this list, because I'd like to hear from the replacement before anything happens to that slot.

VOTE: Spiffeh

- Sonic/Radical Rat

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Spoiler: A compiliation of every single good post Spiffeh has made this game

RC there is no reason you should be shitting all over my Heartless read

But because I DARE to push someone other than whoever you are my push is "exaggerated" and deviating from a scum lynch

Knock it the fuck off please

PEdit:YES I AM RIGHT NOW

Oh yeah Cakez

And why exactly is RC's Titus case so much more compelling?

Why are like every single one of your positions lining up with RC?

Woah there; I've made exactly one RVS post. Where is this random suspicion of me coming from?

Currently townreading RC so I'm willing to sheep him on Titus.

VOTE: Titus

I'm having trouble understanding how these thoughts can happen in succession

Especially since she never explains her RC townread and continues to question why he brought her up as a scum read

Her actions don't make it seem like she's townreading him

TTH if it was a death tunnel I would still be voting for you guys

Yes my push was probably a little too over the top

Anti's behavior struck me as scummy, so I pushed it

Probably obnoxiously

Probably like an asshole

But he was my biggest scum read from what I read and I felt that was the most useful thing to do at the time, rather than to contribute to the circlejerk that was the Titus vs. RC fiasco

So yeah sorry

Titus and RC voting together? That's surprising.

This reaction to Titus and RC being on his wagon is awful

There is no reason to say this other than to try and discredit his wagon. Whether it's because he wants to remind Titus and RC that the other is on his wagon to make them doubt their votes, or to show everyone else that the two that have been going after each other all game voting together somehow invalidates it.

It's scummy either way

I don't know why town would throw shade like that

That's what, 10-15 posts out of well over 100?

I'm not satisfied here.

[Anarchy Shard]

NOPE. It's only FIVE.

If there's anything else anyone's particularly fond of, toss it at me, but yeah. I want to see more.

[Anarchy Shard]

I knew there was a reason I liked 3dice.

[Anarchy Shard]

showed up just in time to see the hammer already went down. better Conman than Titus tho.
Heartless are u ok
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

For Anarchy Shard, I loved their entrance in 27. 38 was a

great

post. Call me a sucker, but I liked the discussion in 42/46 as well. The brutal honesty in 48 was great, too. 53 comes across as genuine, and I don't think they wouldn't know the setup as scum. The tone in 198 was great as well. 394 was a great post, too, and I also liked the vote they laid down in the first place. (Yes, my read on RC has since changed, but at that point in the thread, I was scumreading them and Anarchy Shard was seeing the same thing.) 628 and 639 both contain good votes and good reasoning. 672 was valid.

All-in-all, I guess it's not so much what content they've given as much as it is how they're posting, but they're very strongly a townread.

you're laying it on

really

thick. are you always like this?
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

cause honestly a lot of the stuff you outlined seems not alignment indicative at all! us not having our PT immediately? what does that have to do with our alignment? my RVS vote? Sonic's comment about sheeping and my disagreement?
the stuff about Sonic agreeing with your reads is one thing, but i think you're like.. really confident and in love with posts that are just playstyle on both our parts.
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

you're laying it on really thick. are you always like this?

Actually, no. I'm only like this when I'm directly requested to explain my reads and am in the mood to do so.

Both conditions are true.

in that case, you sound like you're in a very good mood!
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

I've come around that you're town but like there's a serious problem with your play this game.
You've been really abrasive from the get go, so much so that even I who am used to fighting with you took it as a scumclaim.
I'm not sure what's been going on but this seems to have been a general trend recently and you were doing this *teambuilder yay* thing and I sort of miss it.

And I'm not telling you not to push your reads but like you can't just fly in and say you've called the scumteam.
And I know you're going to counterargue with 'but that's what I do' but it isn't. Contrary to popular belief I do make a huge effort to try to keep my team together (just following my reads!)
Getting people to follow you is a skill and there's a reason people tend to follow me and not scumread me and it's nothing to do with flying in and yelling I CAUGHT THE SCUMTEAM.

Which is just a roundabout way of saying that what you're doing here won't work.
I understand your bitterness towards me personally this game considering you were trying to sort me for a doc protect but there's really no need for you
This game you've been incredibly anti-town, you killed both TTH and UTL's interests in the game, and at least one person you've been declaring confirmed scum is town.

Can you please take a step back, organize your thoughts, and come back with cases on whoever you're specifically interested in influencing reads on without personally attacking the people that are disagreeing with you? Right now it feels like you're basically trying to bully things and no one likes it and it's part of why you're being scumread.

I wasn't treating and searching for a doc protect RC. I was sorting you as a slot that made a scummy post. I had zero clue it was you when I voted you.

You know what. You think I like telling people the answer rather than letting them solve it. Nope.

I don't want to see town fight itself. So if that means they fight me, so be it.

Town wins when we recognize each other. I try to build teams but when people get high and mighty to lynch town SOMEONE has to say something. And if that makes me the villain so Anti and Spiffeh and Aero and AS stop fighting each other, I will be the villain.

Sorry, not caught up, but I want to get this out before the thread locks.

"I don't want to see town fight itself. So if that means they fight me, so be it."

This bit here is a HUGE red flag for me. I see where this post is trying to go, and by and large I agree with the sentiment. But that line seems to accidentally imply Titus isn't Town. Scumslip or poor choice of words? I'm leaning scumslip.

( Also her Doc "crumbs" are shady as hell )

[Anarchy Shard]

VOTE: dave
Good vote to start

Not a bad vote, but why so eager to start with this vote?

Also aero, can you remind me why you hammered CMM?

i was gonna vote 3dice for this post alone, because 1) the first question makes no sense. it's like, i agree with your scumread, but WHY are you voting this scumread? you don't seem interested in why he thinks dave is scum, but rather why he chose this timing... timing which obviously makes sense if he was already scumreading dave? plus, it doesn't look like this question carries any suspicion towards Cakez.. he compliments the vote and then asks about it in a really non-confrontational way.
2) i don't need to talk about this, since Spiffeh already brought it up.

I'm acting scummy on purpose to see what people will do. What scum in their right mind would do that?

Morons.

this one actually sounds like you're kidding. are you serious? Sonic didn't like my davesaz vote yesterday, but i sure still do!
but between the two of them i doubt see both as scum. not super important or anything, since 3dice looks a lot more like scum than dave rn.
~Scourge~
dfsdf

[Anarchy Shard]

VOTE: 3dicerolling
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

I'm not getting lynched today so you should probably find a more viable mislynch

And just why aren't you being lynched? I haven't seen anything that makes you conftown yet.

I mean I'm glad that you're townreading us, but just forget about our slot for a while.

We are town though.

What does this even mean? "Just ignore us guys, don't worry though we're Town"

Uh....... No????

Reads list coming up though

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

Ranger and Aeronaut are MegaTown.
3dice is... Townish.
TSMGO is nullTown.
Cakez is nullScum.
Rhaegar and Davesaz are scummish.
Titus is MegaScum, but that doc claim makes me too scared to lynch her... I'd prefer to wait until this next read takes care of her...

Spiffeh. Spiffeh is.... The Serial Killer. Think about it... Genuine scumhunting, but also laced with scum motives and somewhat less-than-Townie posts? Spiffeh is SK.

[Anarchy Shard]

Scourge is.

And I'm not going to change that until we get a chance to discuss, but yeah.

[Anarchy Shard]

ftr 3dice looked town to me yesterday! i hated his opening today tho. but i've already explained myself on that.
my readslist isn't all that similar to Sonic's rn. we're talking in the PT!
i think 3dice is scum, and i'm disagreed on the Spiffeh is SK theory. i just think spiffeh is null because i like what he's saying but i also kinda understand why Sonic has the scumread.
Cakez is more nulltown, and Sonic didn't give a read on Postie (who i think is town)
Rhaegar is scum cause Witch Hunter was scum, Titus i liked yesterday but am disliking more now (especially after 'you're scumreading me, Ranger? why'd you have to roll scum', cause, like, i hate that).
i've talked about davesaz and 3dice. Cakez is eh, i don't remember if i have a read on him.
Ranger's town. Aero's probtown! i dislike the show must go on but i'm not really sure how to go about reading them.
~Scourge~
i could vote Rhaegar today if Sonic won't agree w me on 3dice.
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

Cakez is more nulltown, and Sonic didn't give a read on Postie (who i think is town)
Cakez is eh, i don't remember if i have a read on him.

What the hell?

i rewrote that post in the middle of writing it. meant to erase the second statement! that's also why my signature's there twice, oops.
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

Right, I thought I was missing Someone.

Put Postie in the Townish category.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

Ranger and Aeronaut are MegaTown.
3dice is... Townish.
TSMGO is nullTown.
Cakez is nullScum.
Rhaegar and Davesaz are scummish.
Titus is MegaScum, but that doc claim makes me too scared to lynch her... I'd prefer to wait until this next read takes care of her...

Spiffeh. Spiffeh is.... The Serial Killer. Think about it... Genuine scumhunting, but also laced with scum motives and somewhat less-than-Townie posts? Spiffeh is SK.

Why would you think there's a serial killer at all?

Well, there's a 50/50 chance. The kills don't match up yet, but we don't know how many Docs there are running around, or who actually made the Heartless kill.

[Anarchy Shard]

Speaking of the Heartless kill...

One head was constantly pushing ScumSpiff, while the other constantly pushed TownSpiff.

Both heads' primary read/focus was on Spiffeh. This is either an attempted frame, a coincidence, or... AN ADMISSION OF GUILT

[Anarchy Shard]

I'm gonna go ahead and
VOTE: Rhaegar

Scourge and I both scumread the slot, so I have no issue resting a vote there for a while.

[Anarchy Shard]

279/11 = 25

who said I'm not conftown this game?

What does this even mean?

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

I am.

Confused.

[Anarchy Shard]

Okay so... Are we supposed to interpret #1352 as a scumclaim?

[Anarchy Shard]

Then could you please explain what "confirmed scum" means in this context? And how 279/67 causes that?

[Anarchy Shard]

For the record, I do have an inkling of what all of this means, or at least, is meant to imply, but... This is a Dangeous inkling, and not one I'd like to just assume.

Yet also not one I want to expose with a direct question...

[Anarchy Shard]

And when I say Dangerous Inkling, I'm talking Splatoon levels of Danger

[Anarchy Shard]

Yeah, probably not.

So... Would you like to explain?

[Anarchy Shard]

okay i def think Ranger's town but where are you getting that she's bad at scum? (not engagey and flakey and lurky are all p bad) Ranger is that really how you are as scum?
also RC you should pick up your hydra slips.
i've no idea what the numbers are but. eh!
i'm good with the Rhaegar vote btw.
Cakez i dunno how you missed the 'jk' right under RC's number post, tho.
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

oh and i wasn't sure before but I think Show is town after 1364. i'm not super confident in that by itself but it's enough for me to put them at townlean!
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

internet sarcasm is difficult. there's no tone of voice. i thought you were jokingly discrediting RC's numbers without realizing she was also making a joke. or something.
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

Rhaegar, I know you're probably not done with all 55 pages yet, but would you mind sharing some of your thoughts so far?

Doesn't matter if they're outdated now, I just want to get a look at your thought process.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

Sonic ends up posting what i wanna post before i get a chance to. <3
is that so, Ranger? it was just that i was having a hard time seeing a player who appears to be moderately active and such be so completely different as scum. was more out of curiousity than anything else!
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

Alright, if Rhaegar won't respond and 3dice is on V/LA...

Titus! It's been a while since we've heard from you... What do YOU have to say about this, hm?

[Anarchy Shard]

Whoops, you're on V/LA too.

Well, I don't like just sitting here, but there's not really anyone else I need to hear from right now...

[Anarchy Shard]

Alright then, Cakez. Let's make it less inactive/dead.

Where were you on the night of the 15th?


In all seriousness though, you got any questions for anyone still around? Any interesting reads you'd like to share? A confession that you killed Heartless?

[Anarchy Shard]

Dave, please post more.

There's nearly 1500 posts in the game so far and yours account for 36. There's gotta be more going on in there, so let's hear it.

Also, Scourge said she's busy today so you guys are stuck with me B)

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

I wouldn't be opposed to lynching Witch_Hunter/Rhaegar without waiting for a replacement, tbh. I don't think that slot can be redeemed at this point.

Absolutely not.

The slot deserves a chance to play, and while we may lynch them anyway when a replacement comes, I cannot support a lynch on an empty slot.

[Anarchy Shard]

Right, you're the punk who said you wanted people to scumread you. And now because they didn't read or push you in the way you expected, they must be scum.

When you ignore the game, don't be surprised when the game ignores you back, regardless what your grand scheme was there.

[Anarchy Shard]

Based on this page alone, I want to lynch Rhaegar, Cakez and Dave, so much posturing as to who is partners with whom and very little scumhunting.

There's a lot of kiss assing on AS which I also find wierd. He's obviously town, but not obviously right.

I actually don't see this at all? At least not in this page, or even the last one.

I mean there's the one post by Dave that said I have a town viewpoint, but as far as posturing partners... Could you quote what you're seeing here?

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

You said posturing who's partners with whom.

Perhaps I'm being a bit on the picky side here, but there's a difference between the empty, useless statements you're seeing now, and making partner claims like you claimed at first.


That said, Dave is totally scum, though Cakez is actually on Scourge's townlist, and only a scumlean for me.

[Anarchy Shard]

@3dice

I'd like to hear what you think about about the votes on you. Not so much the votes themselves, but the voters. How are you reading your wagon?

[Anarchy Shard]

hey losers i'm not busy anymore! kinda. thanks for holding the fort, Sonic. <3 i'm catching up rn.
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

^^^thats a bit weird. why arent any scum pushing for your lynch then?
~Scourge~

[Anarchy Shard]

@3dice

I'd like to hear what you think about about the votes on you. Not so much the votes themselves, but the voters. How are you reading your wagon?

They are both town leans, Ranger slightly above aero

I'm afraid that's a bit troublesome.

While I agree with those reads, it seems natural to me that Town would assume at least one scum be advocating their lynch.

Why do you think differently?

[Anarchy Shard]

Just a heads up:

I'm starting a new medication tonight.
Due to the nature of this medication( antipsychotic ), I'm unsure how, if at all, it might affect my mafia play.

So, if there's suddenly any stylistic shifts, or dramatic read changes... Blame the drugs, not my alignment.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

Now I could've sworn you were a leading wagon at some point.... Ah well, at least your reads seem to check out.

Though why is Ranger higher than Aeronaut? Aero has posted and contributed more from what I've seen... And just how large is this gap?

[Anarchy Shard]

Dave, why would scum elect to ignore your 'intentionally' scummy behavior instead of taking advantage of it to push a lynch?

Disclaimer: I'm not saying that the people in favor of lynching Dave must be scum, simply that ignoring him shouldn't be a scumtell.

[Anarchy Shard]

My vote's on Rhaegar because when the replacement does get here, I want them under pressure right from the start.

But Titus is in the lynch pool, so no issues with moving there.
VOTE: Titus

This vote's going back the SECOND we get a replacement in here though.

[Anarchy Shard]

VOTE: Thor665

Might have the numbers wrong, but whatever.

I wanna hear from this slot more than I want to hear from Titus.

[Anarchy Shard]

And that's why I didn't want to lynch the empty slot.

Thor's looking pretty darn good if you ask me, and most of my Witch_Hunter scumread was activity based anyway ( they seemed super lurky, and the posts looked forced ).

UNVOTE:

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

Yes because lynching a player who has ignored a slot that flips scum all game is SUCH bad thinking isn't it?

I think this might be a scumslip... Titus has NOT ignored a case that flipped scum, because no one has flipped scum yet.

So why are you so certain of the flip here?

[Anarchy Shard]

And that's why I didn't want to lynch the empty slot.

Thor's looking pretty darn good if you ask me, and most of my Witch_Hunter scumread was activity based anyway ( they seemed super lurky, and the posts looked forced ).

UNVOTE:

- Sonic/Radical Rat

He's only made like...three posts. This seems quick.

Yes, three very long, content-filled posts with logic difficult to find fault in. He's diving head first into the game and doing a good job of it, and I appreciate that.

Now I'm just trying to decide between you or Titus...

[Anarchy Shard]

It's not like I'm absorbing him of all suspicion here.

He's just not a hard scumread.

[Anarchy Shard]

It's not like I'm absorbing him of all suspicion here.

He's just not a hard scumread.

Absolving*

Thor's looking pretty darn good if you ask me,

How???

And that's why I didn't want to lynch the empty slot.

Thor's looking pretty darn good if you ask me, and most of my Witch_Hunter scumread was activity based anyway ( they seemed super lurky, and the posts looked forced ).

UNVOTE:

- Sonic/Radical Rat

He's only made like...three posts. This seems quick.

Yes, three very long, content-filled posts with logic difficult to find fault in. He's diving head first into the game and doing a good job of it, and I appreciate that.

Now I'm just trying to decide between you or Titus...

[Anarchy Shard]

Why were you voting me then?
Seems the opposite of 'not wanting to lynch the empty slot'...no?

Because, as I mentioned earlier, I wanted you to be pressured immediately upon joining. I would have unvoted at L-1 if you didn't get here fast enough.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

@Postie

I'll reply to you after school. I've got a feeling I'll need a keyboard for this.

[Anarchy Shard]

So you didn't want to lynch me because lynching an empty slot is bad to your mind.
But you did want me to feel a lot of pressure.

Why did my slot deserve to feel pressure?

Because your slot has almost nothing in the thread. Witch_Hunter made a few posts, but they were all pretty bad. I wanted the replacement to get on, see themselves as a leading wagon, and be motivated to actually start playing.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

VOTE: 3dicerolling

I have too many townreads at this point and I haven't liked this slot ever.
Plus it has Ranger's backing so

automatically

a good wagon.

I think that if I'm wrong about one of my townreads this game it's probably Anarchy.
They were super town early but I don't like how they've played out being townread. Feels like they're coasting and just trying to stay on top.
Don't get a sense that they're trying to solve the game at this point.

Well, I suppose being townread by literally everyone in the game has made me somewhat calmer about things, but mostly I'm just at a loss right now. I don't know what questions to ask or who to ask them yet, so I'm just kind of watching and waiting for something suspicious to pop up.

[Anarchy Shard]

Why didn't you do that to Rhaegar?

Because there was a better wagon going on at the time, as opposed to just waiting around for a replacement.

[Anarchy Shard]

Hello, sorry for my recent absence, got a bit held up IRL.

Before I head off to read the 10ish pages I missed, does anyone have any specific questions for me? Quotes would be nice if it's about something after my last post here.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

Okay, I cannot express how sorry I am for being gone so long, I got a bit bogged down with homework and everything, and Mafia just kinda slipped my mind.

I'm back now though, and judging by my inbox only hours away from a replacement.

I don't know where Scourge could be though...

At any rate, I know I'm going to have neither the time nor attention span to catch up, so if someone would be kind enough to update me on recent events, that'd be great.

- Sonic/Radical Rat

[Anarchy Shard]

Alright, I've got a counter wagon I think we can agree on.

VOTE: Thor665

While I did like his entry, the last page or so just looks like meaningless spam. I may be missing some context here, but yeah. Combined with the fact that his predecessors did nothing pro-Town in the slightest... Let's do it.

[Anarchy Shard]

I'd revote Thor but I don't think there's enough support for a lynch there. Right now it looks like we can't get more than 3 votes on him.

Maybe that's why you can't get more votes on him.


Most of what prompted my vote was the Dayvig post, but yes, missing context and being an overwhelmed mindset are probably not best for my play.

I want Titus dead, but the Doc claim scares me. I want Witch_Hunter's slot dead, but Thor is doing a good job aside from those few posts I apparently took out of context. I want Spiffeh's slot dead, but I'm waiting to see what the replacement has in store. I want Cakez dead, but Scourge townread him.

[Anarchy Shard]

I guess since Scourge has vanished, I'll just apologize for this when she gets back.

VOTE: SirCakez

[Anarchy Shard]

Staring Intent to Hammer

Dave is far from an ideal lynch but with deadline so close... May not have a choice.

[Anarchy Shard]

Stating*

[Anarchy Shard]

You two are the ones who only tried to get new wagons going only a day or two before deadline...

I'd rather vote alone for a wagon that I believe in than a popular one that feels off. Can't make up my mind whether it's lynchbait or a bus, but there is scum on that wagon. I'd stake my game life in that.

Yet, a mislynch is better than no lynch. At least, that seems to be site meta...

[Anarchy Shard]

Dave already claimed VT.

So... With a deep breath....

VOTE: davesaz

[Anarchy Shard]

Happy Twilight phase

[Anarchy Shard]

VOTE: SirCakez

Why would you immediately vote Titus after a no kill? A no kill that SUPPORTS her doc claim? It makes sense to ask, but to immediately claim this somehow proves her guilt.


I move for a quicklynch.

[Anarchy Shard]

If we're doing a massclaim, I'll save you the trouble of popcorning me and just say I'm a VT doing the best I can.

[Anarchy Shard]

If this massclaim reveals the existence of an SK, I want Spiffeh's slot lynched toMorrow.

Cakez has taken Titus' MegaScum spot though, so him toDay.

[Anarchy Shard]

I've already claimed VT.

And yeah, I'm sorry, a quicklynch request was a bit, well, hasty of me.


But that's just how strong my Cakez scumread is, and I honestly don't understand how he DOESN'T look scummy to you guys. He just jumped on a claimed doc after a no kill.

Unless someone else caused this no kill, there's no reason to jump from healthy suspicion of a doc claim to sudden lynch-fever. Especially given that she's claimed a plausible target to protect.


In fact, this whole incident is taking my original scumread of Titus, and slowly morphing it into a town read. And it's a town read I'm willing to die defending at this point.

[Anarchy Shard]

LOL
Pre-flip associatives + extremely sudden and strong townread on Titus + extremely strong and sudden scumread on me = scumscumscum

Sure, except for the part where I've been scumreading you all game if you look back through my ISO. You just weren't high priority until now.

[Anarchy Shard]

I love how Anarchy has just developed this super-strong scumread on me really suddenly with little to back it up. Reeks of scum looking for a new mislynch with Dave and CNM gone.

Again, not a sudden scumread, just a sudden strength, but the main point I have here...

You act as if it was super obvious that Dave and CMM were lynchbait. Yet, over half the game fell for it, so it couldn't have been that obvious.
Maybe this is just hindsight bias, and nothing to worry about.

But I smell something much more sinister.

This reads like someone who KNEW all along that CMM and Dave were town. Not to mention that you were on BOTH wagons, Cakez. Granted, so were myself, and several others, but you're the only one talking about the lynches this way.

[Anarchy Shard]

Pardon, semi-newbie question here.

Why does the claim order matter? Why not just have everyone claim in their next post?

[Anarchy Shard]

In that case, why did no one question Postie's insistence on claiming last? I think I may have seen it mentioned, but not as much as it should have been if that's the expectation...?

[Anarchy Shard]

Pardon, semi-newbie question here.

Why does the claim order matter? Why not just have everyone claim in their next post?

Functionally it is best for scum to get to claim last, as it could allow them to game the claim system.
Basically; for all the reasons one would normally want scum to claim earliest and town to claim latest - it helps you spot lying scum.

I'm willing to follow popcorn as long as Ranger goes before me and goes before Postie.

Like this here. Is this not a problem?

[Anarchy Shard]

Like this here. Is this not a problem?

Depends on your reads - do you think it's a problem?

I find Postie pretty abhorrent on the town/scum scale, but also kinda like the bravado of the crumbing.
I am less sold on RC, and have no idea why they think they have the town cred to try to force a late claim.
What are your thoughts?

They both feel pretty scum to me, it just doesn't sit right with me to claim PR without actually, y'know, claiming. But if scum wants to claim last, and both of them are saying they should be last, that seems like the sort of thing people would be calling out. I didn't because I just learned this, but everyone else seems to be pretty experienced, so what's going on here?

[Anarchy Shard]

It started because RC apparently has relevant results and wanted to out them.

Then why doesn't he? Unless these results are going to change based on claims (read: are fake), I still see little point in waiting.

[Anarchy Shard]

Tense western whistling as a tumbleweed blows through the thread.

We need MATERIAL.

How about... Instead of waiting around on an indefinitely drawn out massclaim... We start throwing votes on people so we can squeeze some content out of this game.
I'll start.

VOTE: Aeronaut
For taking too darn long to get in here and claim.
Dragging out the massclaim by not responding COULD be a clever tactic to delay RC's results, thereby giving us less time to process/discuss them.

[Anarchy Shard]

VOTE: Anarchy Shard

For suggesting that we start throwing votes on people so we can squeeze some content out of this game

Ah yes. How DARE I try to generate content. I should be ASHAMED.

At any rate, back to
VOTE: SirCakez

I really just wanted Aero to post, and post he did.

[Anarchy Shard]

Due to the absurd lengths of time it's taking for these claims and there popcorns to occur, I move we put the following points into effect.

1. The claiming player should popcorn in the same post as their claim if possible.

2. Failing that( as Aeronaut has ), a

PopVote: Player

system is to be initiated. Players may vote on the next claimer, with "L-1" in these PopVotes constituting a hammer. At this point, the effect is the same as the target player being popcorned.

[Anarchy Shard]

PopVote: 3dice

I'll also be happy to host votecounts for this.

[Anarchy Shard]

The only investigative role is Tracker, right?

Until there's only one Mafia left, I don't see how Tracker could possibly have a 100% clear.

Which means that Ranger would only know this if they protected TSMGO last night.

But then Titus claims to have protected Ranger as well, so as far as I'm concerned, neither Ranger not TSMGO have a "100%" clear. Especially with the possibility of SK out there, where even saving one life doesn't guarantee Town. Though once the massclaim has been sorted out, we'll know if SK is applicable.

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Ranger nor TSMGO*

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The only investigative role is Tracker, right?

Until there's only one Mafia left, I don't see how Tracker could possibly have a 100% clear.

Which means that Ranger would only know this if they protected TSMGO last night.

But then Titus claims to have protected Ranger as well, so as far as I'm concerned, neither Ranger not TSMGO have a "100%" clear. Especially with the possibility of SK out there, where even saving one life doesn't guarantee Town. Though once the massclaim has been sorted out, we'll know if SK is applicable.

No scum flips so why are you saying there's only one mafia... like huh

No no, you misunderstand. I'm saying if he were Tracker, his stuff wouldn't make sense UNLESS there were one maf left. Not that there currently IS one maf left.

I asked that earlier and she said something weird about making a Doctor circle iirc

Can you quote this please? I don't remember seeing it, and I'd like to see exact wording.

I also feel like a Doc circle is a REALLY BAD idea given the confirmed JOAT, which has a Strongman kill if I'm not mistaken. That circle would be immediately broken if allowed to form at all.

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In the role list. Mafia gets a JOAT no matter what.

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I just double-checked and it looks like Mafia is only extremely likely to have a JOAT, not confirmed.

My bad, but still. I advise against a Doc circle.

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I'm claiming last no matter what.

Does this mean you refuse to let Postie claim after you? And if so, why has this not been established earlier?

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Would it be too much to ask to get some sort of reasoning on these scumreads? I get the quicklynch comment's controversy, but only Ranger and Cakez have commented on that.

Then Expedience claimed my call for content was scummy?

And now I'm getting associated with Postie? One of those horrifying pre-flip associative even.

So yeah. What's the deal here?

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PopVote: Ranger

Unlike D2, I'd like things to get done while waiting on replacements.

Speaking of which, welcome aboard Frozen!

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Why are people being so resistant to claiming? It kind of makes me think there are scum who don't know what to fakeclaim.

Y'know, I thought the same thing at first, but with so many people doing it, it seems unlikely they're all scum. At least one of them ought to have a fakeclaim ready by now.

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By the way, FA you have popcorn power to choose the next claim.

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How could RC be two extra letters?

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Expedience and Cakez are scum.

Titus might also be, but idk at this point.

Ranger, TSMGO, and Postie are town.

Aero slot is being townread, but FA hasn't been around long enough for me to read her.

Thor Is null leaning Town.

3dice slot is null leaning Scum.



I know my play hasn't been great this game, but yeah. Thanks for the game guys, I'll do better next time

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Oh, and my issue with the Doc Circle.
Scum either has a Strongman kill left, and will take out a doctor immediately, or scum doesn't have their Strongman and knows everyone not a Doc is unprotected, and start picking them off.

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Titus is a her fyi Thor
Anarchy's obvtownness started disappearing at the end of yesterday. Basically they started getting very opportunistic and much less scumhunting from them.

VOTE: Anarchy

You treated a claimed Doc as confscum after a no kill, then tried to push some narrative that she forced her buddies not to kill and treating that as damning evidence.

If it's opportunistic to push that, then I guess I'm guilty as charged.

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What makes Cakez look so Town? Is it the hypocrisy? Or is it the misrepping? As far as I can tell, I'm being lynched for bad play. And while I have no objection to the claim that my play has been bad most of the early game, should we not lynch the actively crummy players first? We've wasted two lynched already, let's not make it three.

If a Cakez lynch won't happen, I want Thor to be today's lynch. There was no reason for him to be stubborn about claiming VT. Smells like stalling for time to think of a claim to me. 3dice did the same thing, but no lynching there until we get a replacement in.

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Sighs.

Could you please actually answer why you Townread Cakez?

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I'm not going to push against 3dice until a replacement arrives.

Thor is already here, and I've already explained why I find them scummy. It makes sense for a PR to put off a claim. It doesn't make sense for a VT to do so.

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Well, there is a Bus-Driver.

So yeah, plausible.

But... I can't think of a reason for scum to swap you and Ranger, unless Ranger is scum, and they somehow Knew there was a Role Cop AND that Ranger would be checked.

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I was Titus' N1 heal, pretty sure.

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If I must die today, then until the lynch goes through, ask me the questions you'd ask Town!me.

If I flip scum, you can ignore it entirely.
When I flip Town, you can sort through and decide what you think was right and what was wrong.

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I thought FA was Aeronaut?

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Five ScumBucks says this is getting labelled as "opportunistic" but whatever I'm dying anyway, this is worth a try.

FA's not making sense and trying to push PR lynched over VTs. Unless she has some kind of silver bullet she's declining to share with us, that's not a Town plan.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

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VOTE: Frozen Angel

^Scum voting.

Called it

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No, but my Role PM does.

I just don't really know what to say in my defense at this point, so I'm just trying to get my thoughts out before the lynch.

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Five ScumBucks says this is getting labelled as "opportunistic" but whatever I'm dying anyway, this is worth a try.

FA's not making sense and trying to push PR lynched over VTs. Unless she has some kind of silver bullet she's declining to share with us, that's not a Town plan.

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what about my analyse don't make any sense?

Am I pushing your scum buddies ?

No, it's the part I mentioned where you're campaigning to lynch in the PRs, which most of us have agreed to be a bad idea. Even people townreading you are saying that's not a good thing.

If you absolutely must lynch one of the PRs, it should be Postie, as that would be a valuable flip to determine the validity of Titus' and Ranger's claims.

However, while there are still viable VT claims to lynch, we shouldn't risk a Town PR, barring something damning popping up.

I said much of the same about Titus even before I believed her claim.

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I'm not saying we shouldn't even consider lynching the TPR claims. In fact, I said in that very same post that Postie should be our PR lynch if we did lynch one.

What I am saying is that the risk/reward doesn't make sense as Town. Why would we lynch a claimed Doc when we can lynch someone else who's acting just as, if not more, scummy, but doesn't carry the threat of losing a protective role?

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I'm not saying we shouldn't even consider lynching the TPR claims. In fact, I said in that very same post that Postie should be our PR lynch if we did lynch one.

What I am saying is that the risk/reward doesn't make sense as Town. Why would we lynch a claimed Doc when we can lynch someone else who's acting just as, if not more, scummy, but doesn't carry the threat of losing a protective role?

and your bloody defense of Titus whose role isn't confirmed is faulty at best scummy at worst.

who are your prefered lynch list in order? why ?

No, Titus is not confirmed. But there's no contradictions in the claims, nor in her claimed protections.

My preferred lynches, from highest priority to lowest:

Cakez
You
Thor
Postie

At this point, I've given up on Cakez after spending almost this entire day campaigning for his lynch to no avail. So I'm moving down the list

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RC was the death target but in jail.

If Ranger is scum he can't be scum unless with RC becuase of the rolecop or there is a third mafia in TPR's. that make RC not the dead target. the only way that make sense is that RC was the shooter.

The rolecop is not infallible because of the Bus Driver. Ranger is very likely Town and should not be lynched, but Ranger scum would be more indicative of Postie scum, who conveniently covered her lack of a heal, than RC scum.

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...or scum killed me?

I'd think that's, y'know, the obvious conclusion.

IF Ranger is scum and Titus is town , your a shooter and there is a 3rd scum in tpr claimers

How?

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Why is FA talking about Ranger scum so much in the first place?

Did I miss something?

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Where is Titus advertising Ranger scum? Is it because she doesn't want to heal?

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Everyone who don't ask titus to heal ranger know is way dumb and blind or just admitting he is scum.

#Titus_Must_Say_She_Will_Heal_Ranger

I'm not letting her to just take an obv town doctor like that from town.

Consider this though.

No matter who Titus and Ranger heal, if they explicitly claim it, scum will either use a Strongman or kill elsewhere, in either case rendering the heals useless.

By refusing to claim a heal, we increase the chance of scum failing to kill at all. So leave the docs to their own devices, and trust in their ability to guess targets.

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Besides, aren't you scumreading Titus? What do you care who she heals if you don't really think she's a Doc?

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Everyone who don't ask titus to heal ranger know is way dumb and blind or just admitting he is scum.

#Titus_Must_Say_She_Will_Heal_Ranger

I'm not letting her to just take an obv town doctor like that from town.

Consider this though.

No matter who Titus and Ranger heal, if they explicitly claim it, scum will either use a Strongman or kill elsewhere, in either case rendering the heals useless.

By refusing to claim a heal, we increase the chance of scum failing to kill at all. So leave the docs to their own devices, and trust in their ability to guess targets.

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Add another mislynch to the pile.

Thanks for the game guys, I apologize for my poor play.

Look at Cakez and FA for the next lynches though.

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Add another mislynch to the pile.

Thanks for the game guys, I apologize for my poor play.

Look at Cakez and FA for the next lynches though.

no kidding. drop trolling , your helping you Titus scum buddy yo to get away with her redicolous attempt for dodging the night plan.

Yep. You caught me alright. Lying after the hammer, a brilliant ploy we totally planned in the scumchat.

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Ranger - Town
Titus - Town
Postie - Town due to above
Thor665 - Nullscum
SirCakez - Scum
3dicerolling - Nulltown
Frozen Angel - Scum
The Show Must Go On - Null

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Obvscum, oh my god.

Lemme go check if I'm allowed a Bah post, because I wanna be here after the flip to "Told You So"

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Sadly not, but oh well.

I've said all I can say that's game related.

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Obvscum, oh my god.

Lemme go check if I'm allowed a Bah post, because I wanna be here after the flip to "Told You So"

I said Titus was obvscum

You basically did nothing to deflect the lynch on her,

go blame yourself not me for your bad play.

My bad, I misread that. But yes, I already apologized for poor play. I think I do better without a Role list to get tripped up on.

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Well, thank you Titus.