Open 631 - Diffusion of Power (Over)

Andrius · Post Post #1166 (isolation #0) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:24 pm

Alright, let's hammer this home!

I'm here so we're a full house. I'll be reading up for the next hour or so if someone wants to cliffnotes me in the meantime that'd be great, namely if we're just going to steam through Autti.

Andrius · Post Post #1167 (isolation #1) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:34 pm

So Kop and RC are confirmed town from where I am.

Andrius · Post Post #1170 (isolation #2) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:46 pm

Yep that's the gem. Anything else need be said? I'm prepared to vote Autti.

Andrius · Post Post #1171 (isolation #3) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:48 pm

Vote: Autti

Going to go iron, I'm undeserving of the hammer. Will start the dance.

Andrius · Post Post #1197 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:23 am

Kop being here is unexpected. I have class this evening, but will re-read tonight/tomorrow and have words sometime tomorrow. Will give due diligence as I screwed up the last LyLo I was in by not re-evaluating the "confirmed" town. Darn Mafia Doctors not having guns.

(Giving a presentation related to mafia game design in class today.)

Andrius · Post Post #1215 (isolation #5) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:34 am

RC's death confirms Kop. The loose end has been tied.

Vote: Ranger

I don't really want to sit here and play the word nitpick game with you but since that's what you seem to care about, I'll play ball.

Spoiler: Unimportant Drivel

Basically, you came into the day guns blazing because you knew exactly what needed to be done. By killing the person who suspected you and confirming Kop you had one play and one play only. That's why, for you, this whole thing is a formality and you have one plan and one plan only to win. RC wanted you dead if you lived. You put your neck on the line for this and aren't willing to keep your word.

((I could also say that you being a N5 doc is too convenient, but that's admittedly a stretch and is more gut than anything else. Simply too convenient.))

Be back with a new post to ensure this makes it.

Andrius · Post Post #1216 (isolation #6) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:46 am

Pt. II: The Electric Boogaloo

Spoiler:

In post 1202, Ranger wrote:^By neutral language, what I mean is: Andrius's stance was very careful. He said we were going to plow through Autti. He did not attribute any further meaning to this.

The contrast is that I did; I was unambiguously saying the game would end with an Autti lynch. I was willing to take a hard stance, one that was ultimately wrong, even though being wrong is something that makes me look a lot worse; he was not taking a hard stance, so he wasn't clearly wrong, so he doesn't look a lot worse from the flip because he never committed to it the same way I did.

You know you look bad for staking everything on Autti's lynch (which you had to do) and are now reaching for straws by nitpicking my words because I have to be the play for you. There's no other way out of this for you.

In post 1203, Ranger wrote:This is probably not a point I should be making, but I'd like to add:
Autti probably needed to be replaced, yet as town, was not;
Rhaegar needed to be replaced, and was replaced.

The disparity between the two may have been thanks to alignment differences, that being, Rhaegar was the last scum whereas Autti was just one more town.

This further demonstrates your stretching literally anything to use it to slander my slot.
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Thus our moderator must fill the first open slot, not based on which slot's alignment/role's need is more pressing. Also, Autti was never formally up for replacement IIRC.

I am not taking time out of my day to play "What Was Rhaegar Thinking?" since I am, in fact, not Rhaegar.

In post 1208, Ranger wrote:
Rhaegar wrote:Bussing shotty would be a fairly logical decision. It would have been much harder to defend him given the likelyhood he would have been investigated or lynched.

And you treated snarky with kid gloves up until the claim. It was pretty obvious that he almost certainly would be the day two Lynch, so scum wouldn't be losing much by bussing him either.
Guess who was on both lynches? This sounds an awful lot like Rhaegar explaining why he was on both scum.

Speaking of which: I would not have killed Lowell. At that point, you (Kop) and Almost50 were both 100% absolutely confirmed town. My modus operandi as scum has been killing confirmed town players first, and Lowell was not confirmed town.

Taking this though because this is especially bad.

First off, you're stretching again. You're twisting things again. (Suddenly its scummy to lynch scum?)

Secondly, you're going off into speculation-land again. We don't know what you would or would not have done so sitting here discussing what ifs won't get us anywhere.

Andrius · Post Post #1217 (isolation #7) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:47 am

Kop, is there anything you would like to see from me in particular?

Andrius · Post Post #1218 (isolation #8) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:55 am

The condensed version is basically this.

1) RC was killed to eliminate a threat to Ranger, since RC explicitly stated before lynch that Ranger should be next if there was a next lynch
2) Ranger made some big 'oh you can lynch me tomorrow if we're wrong' thing to look town and now has to eat those words. Consequently, she's not lying down.
3) Ranger is grasping at straws, including nitpicking and the whole illegal replacement deal in order to attempt to slime her target.

In case Varsoon happens to be watching this little corner of the world:

Vote: Ranger

Gonna go make a VCA for old times' sake and see how that shakes down.

Andrius · Post Post #1219 (isolation #9) » Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:12 pm

Spoiler: VCA

Worthwhile to note that you will find both Kop and my slot on both of the scum lynches, which are denoted by QUOTE tags for ease of access.
Ranger's slot is missing from both.
Greated, Ranger's predecessor was soon to replace out when SS was lynched, but its still there.

Which makes sense, right?
Because neither of them, despite being in a game with cops, was lynched with a cop guilty. That would make VCA useless.
They were lynched for their play, and their buddies, unwilling to let them go, didn't send them on their way.
Granted, D1 SS was under some heat and had both of his buddies voting him but that diverted later.
Point being when both of the scumbags were lynched, they were all-town wagons.

Andrius · Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:12 pm

In post 1218, Andrius wrote:The condensed version is basically this. 1) RC was killed to eliminate a threat to Ranger, since RC explicitly stated before lynch that Ranger should be next if there was a next lynch2) Ranger made some big 'oh you can lynch me tomorrow if we're wrong' thing to look town and now has to eat those words. Consequently, she's not lying down. 3) Ranger is grasping at straws, including nitpicking and the whole illegal replacement deal in order to attempt to slime her target.

4) VCA shows that Ranger's slot avoided both of the scum lynches.

Andrius · Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:15 pm

I'm done for now.
Going to go do other things for awhile like eat food.
Likely will not be returning to internet-lands later tonight, but might be able to check in via mobile for short posts.

Andrius · Post Post #1226 (isolation #12) » Sun May 01, 2016 9:00 am

Mobile Andy: Apologies, been busy with finals week and moving. And Tabletop Day.

Don't put too much stock into our claims; to be equitable a N5 doc is no more provable than a N1 doc from sheer numbers. I'm guessing that you're here because RC cried foul on Ranger before the lynch and, to credit her story Ranger had to not kill you.

Andrius · Post Post #1230 (isolation #13) » Tue May 03, 2016 8:12 am

No hard feelings, friend. I considered linking that Listen to Your Heart song but thought that was of questionable taste.

Didn't put a ton into this one, so that's on me. My heart wasn't here, and it showed. Thanks for letting me sojourn here, however brief a time.