Open 632 - Jungle Republic (Game Over)

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Shotty

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: grapes
Jumped pretty hard on that band wagon.

This is worse than the L-1 CLAIM post. (But that's terrible too!) This is completely hypocritical and makes no sense from any town mindset.
However, it does make sense from scum who is making up reasons.

[MarioManiac4]

And at least you're voting the person you call a WW, which I think it kind of the more dangerous scum between the two factions so there's that.

I kinda wanna lynch this into the ground.
Weird as fuck thing to be factoring into your reads at this point.
Appeasement vibes out the ass.
And I don't understand how you can brush off rangers reads by assuming they're not serious but at the same time say something like this where it looks like you're taking them seriously.

VOTE: Knightmare

Followed by...

And at least you're voting the person you call a WW, which I think it kind of the more dangerous scum between the two factions so there's that.

I kinda wanna lynch this into the ground.
Weird as fuck thing to be factoring into your reads at this point.
Appeasement vibes out the ass.
And I don't understand how you can brush off rangers reads by assuming they're not serious but at the same time say something like this where it looks like you're taking them seriously.

VOTE: Knightmare

Ok so you're probably scum.

I think my point is valid about the WW's being the more dangerous faction and Ranger voting in that way makes me think he's coming from a townie mindset. His reads are thin, as I've stated, but I think it's coming from a townie place to get things going.

OMGUS. He thinks his point is valid, and that Ranger is probably town...

VOTE: grapes

And then he votes grapes for "lol bad logic on page 2, you must be scum."
Yeah no this is scum too.
Feel somewhat more confident about Shotty, though.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: grapes
Jumped pretty hard on that band wagon.

This is worse than the L-1 CLAIM post. (But that's terrible too!) This is completely hypocritical and makes no sense from any town mindset.
However, it does make sense from scum who is making up reasons.

You give a page of quote from knightmare and one post from me but you are wayyy more confident about me?

lol. this is terribad.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: grapes
Jumped pretty hard on that band wagon.

This is worse than the L-1 CLAIM post. (But that's terrible too!) This is completely hypocritical and makes no sense from any town mindset.
However, it does make sense from scum who is making up reasons.

You give a page of quote from knightmare and one post from me but you are wayyy more confident about me?

lol. this is terribad.

Quit giving me substanceless responses and give me reasoning.

how about this: number of quotes has no influence on strength of read.

@Ranger; congratulations?

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: grapes
Jumped pretty hard on that band wagon.

This is worse than the L-1 CLAIM post. (But that's terrible too!) This is completely hypocritical and makes no sense from any town mindset.
However, it does make sense from scum who is making up reasons.

You give a page of quote from knightmare and one post from me but you are wayyy more confident about me?

lol. this is terribad.

Quit giving me substanceless responses and give me reasoning.

how about this: number of quotes has no influence on strength of read.

@Ranger; congratulations?

Are you making a true argument for lynching me based on nothing? You have said I'm scum but 0 reasons so far. If you truly had a read you would be able to back it up, and would have already. You are scum and you picked me. You don't think I am scum, you picked me as the person who you are going to convince others to vote for.

Read the thread and use logic.
I have given reasons.

[MarioManiac4]

Almost50: Not enough votes
Kelbris: Not enough votes
Everyone else: too many votes

Are you for real?? Me & my ONLY town read (apart from Mario who has just joined in) are the only two you're interested to lynch??

so why are you townreading kelbris?

[MarioManiac4]

Almost50: Not enough votes
Kelbris: Not enough votes
Everyone else: too many votes

How do you even consider shotty being town though?

[MarioManiac4]

Why and how is kelbris town?

Why? Well, if he IS then it's because he received a PM from the mod that says so.
How? However he pleases. I'm not him and I'm not going to tell him how to play his role. Why don't you ask him?

So you wanted him to engage in baseless gambler's fallacy?

Exactly. You see, I like baseless gambler's fallacies. Please add extra Ketchup & no mustard. Thank you.

The fact that you refuse to explain your previously unmentioned townread on kelbris makes me scumread you. :/

[MarioManiac4]

Every wagon which is actually a wagon sucks.

VOTE: Not_Mafia.

Your face sucks.
VOTE: shotty

Like seriously you're not letting shotty get away with saying my vote is invalid because my second scumread included more quotes and then saying I gave no reasoning.

HE RESPONDED TO MY REASONING AND THEN SAID I HAD NONE. SHOTTY IS MAFIA AND NEEDS TO DIE.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: SHOTTY!!!!!!!!!!!!

yay

[MarioManiac4]

ranger explain why you think the other two wagons suck?

Because I'm almost positive shotty is town, and I'm not feeling Almost50 as scum anymore.

But why are you confident someone who is clearly making things up is town.

[MarioManiac4]

Every wagon which is actually a wagon sucks.

VOTE: Not_Mafia.

Your face sucks.
VOTE: shotty

Like seriously you're not letting shotty get away with saying my vote is invalid because my second scumread included more quotes and then saying I gave no reasoning.

HE RESPONDED TO MY REASONING AND THEN SAID I HAD NONE. SHOTTY IS MAFIA AND NEEDS TO DIE.

Your reasoning was that you have none!

like seriously this is a blatant lie.
too scummy to be scum IS NOT A THING.
Micro 521; Desperation is proof (game is here) of that.

[MarioManiac4]

Why does nobody seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
that shottyyyyyyyyy
reallllllllllllyyyyyyyyy
is scumyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[MarioManiac4]

prodge, why the sudden votes? I am just a plain old member of the town after all.

what is this
is this a shit kelbris

[MarioManiac4]

We know Kelbris isn't a PR now so you can tell us your town case now Almost

grapes has just blown it away into thin air, I think.

VOTE: kilbris

oh hello scumbuddy of kelbris how can i help you

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: kelbris

[MarioManiac4]

ummm
lol?

[MarioManiac4]

Why does nobody seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
that shottyyyyyyyyy
reallllllllllllyyyyyyyyy
is scumyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Because I'm town and no amount of y's will change that.

But you're not though.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: grapes

kelbris IS/WAS town

to vote you or shotty
that's the question.
for now i'll
VOTE: drmyshottyiszik

[MarioManiac4]

Actually I just remembered, Almost. You sheeped me yesterday.
The fuck you on about kelbris flipping town for?
Apparently you thought the case was good.

Yes, I did. Now it turns out it wasn't. You seem to be a good place to start over, pending the arrival of SS.

So you blame a mislynch on a player that made the case?
If anything if the case was bad it's on the players like us who followed the wagon. TBF Kelbris was scummy and you wagoned him, the fact you are now blaming grapes for the lynch looks scummy. It's the attitude "he pushed a mislynch, he's a viable mislynch for another day" you always see in Scum PTs and never see coming from town.

[MarioManiac4]

hey, this is me confirming i have recieved my prod and will respond to stuff shortly.
In the meantime I'd encourage everyone to have a close look at Shotty.

[MarioManiac4]

Almost is town. GR is probz town. Likin mario.
Debating a shotty or not mafia vote atm. I'mma go with shotty cause mario is on it:
VOTE: Shotty

But nm is so much better

Yeah, I agree, he looks so much better than you.
Has anyone read shotty's iso and can inform me about why it is not town, or in any way scummy?

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: grapes

kelbris IS/WAS town

to vote you or shotty
that's the question.
for now i'll
VOTE: drmyshottyiszik

As I said, this post is incredibly scummy.
I still think Shotty is more scummy and a quick look at his ISO can see why. It's completely illogical.

[MarioManiac4]

Mario, what do you think about others apart from Shotty?

I really don't like "I TOLD YOU SO" mentality.

Right now, we have 4 town and 4 scum. We can't reach a lynch without scum on it, so we need to start thinking about that.

[MarioManiac4]

From Grapes' ISO I have finally concluded something!
VOTE: Almost50

*Votes N_M
*Talks about almost, giving good and perceptive reasons for him being scum
*Doesn't vote almost but keeps on the N_M wagon.

[MarioManiac4]

IF there's a town-aligned player on my wagon, PLEASE hop off it NOW. Don't get caught on this one. Let it be purely scum driven so we can separate the good from the bad. THANK YOU.

I am a town aligned player and I am wondering why I should invite you.

[MarioManiac4]

Because I'm town all town. If you ARE town indeed, you need to hop off that wagon.

But I don't think you're town.

[MarioManiac4]

town
almost
rob
scum
everyone else but one

What changed?

[MarioManiac4]

you do realize there are 4 town alive right?
And if you're questioning whether or not I'm town I laugh at you

Yeah I'm sorry I missed your IC announcement.
And yes I do. There was indeed one more town slot, why did I enter it?

[MarioManiac4]

@GRob:

IF you're town, then you should know exactly why I play the way I do. I mean, the minute I earn a conf!town status in a game like this I will get NK'd. However, I'm not being a hard read either, and especially so for those who have played with Town!Me before.

That being said, I think I'm getting town vibes from Suzune at the moment. I won't jump to the conclusion she's conf!town still bc the way Kop habdled that spot was wishy washy and he always stayed in the yellow zone for me.

As for you -Grob- I'm willing to give you a pass for today. I thus find myself obliged to sheep DW (sheep here does NOT mean I'm not scum reading hasta myself. It only refers to the preferred lynch of the day.), so..

VOTE: hasta

What are you scumreading hasta for?
Pasta could be scum. Pasta could also be lynchbait.

[MarioManiac4]

the fact that he has given me literally 0 reason to believe that he is town. It's pretty much PoE.

A big problem with this is that you haven't given strong reasoning for your townreads.
What's so town about SS, for example, or even NM and GR?
Or anyone?

[MarioManiac4]

Robster and suzune are scum hunting like crazy
Almost and you seem genuine.

that isn't going to convince me, dwlee.
scum can pretend to scumhunt. in fact, most scum who have played more than one towngame before can do it quite well.
"Seems genuine" isn't going to get me to unvote Almost.
And I still don't know why hasta is more scummy than the others.

Dwlee you do realise that
1. no wagon is gaining traction
2. werewolves have the same number as mafia?

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: alone

This guy replaces in, randomizes his vote (On page 32.) and then proceeds to use random evidence which seems to be both serious and impossible for town to believe at the same time.

[MarioManiac4]

Wow, well that was not an impressive opening...

intent to hammer

Not impressive because you know I'm wrong? The only way you'd know I were wrong was if you were scum!

Thinking about changing vote...

Not impressive because it's incredibly scummy.
Please read if you're town and don't make things up.

[MarioManiac4]

Mario if you thought hasta could have been (within a reasonable possibility) town I am just like facepalming super hard

yes, hasta could have been town
the rng did not have a grudge against him, i imagine

[MarioManiac4]

Mario if you thought hasta could have been (within a reasonable possibility) town I am just like facepalming super hard

he hasn't even flipped scum?
do you know he's scum?
are you ww with him? or mafia making a terrible play?

[MarioManiac4]

Dude, I may be 14 and I may not be very good at this game but you don't give me enough credit. Look at his slot. Compare it to all of the other slots. He is so obviously scum I can't even.

I don't really care for the "I was right" discussion.

Especially

in multiball.
Why do you save this all for after I vote the hastalapasta slot?

[MarioManiac4]

You finally recognized how obvscum the slot was with that shit replace in. I'm now telling you I was right all along and that replace in just proves my point.

Yeah I know. So you're saying you're all superight, so why is my vote so significant there?

[MarioManiac4]

idek what you're saying so ^-^

why does my vote matter more than everyone else's?

[MarioManiac4]

@Suzune, you agree it's scummy, and then attack me for saying it's scummy?
what?

[MarioManiac4]

I agree it is scummy. That is not what I am asking about. I am curious why it matters to you what dwlee thinks. Your original opinion was not incorrect but your need to backtrack on it that was rather confusing.

?
I'm questioning Dwlee because Dwlee is not confirmed town.

[MarioManiac4]

Mario's alone vote just felt really opportunistic, it looks like Snarky is the consensus

Snarky is the consensus? what kind of reasoning is that?
You can't deny the entrance was scummy. I, as town, saw alone doing something scummy and voted him. Give me a reason why you don't think that was the case.
Shotty was also scummy zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[MarioManiac4]

Mario's alone vote just felt really opportunistic, it looks like Snarky is the consensus

Snarky is the consensus? what kind of reasoning is that?
You can't deny the entrance was scummy. I, as town, saw alone doing something scummy and voted him. Give me a reason why you don't think that was the case.
Shotty was also scummy zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I never said alone wasn't scummy, I never said shotty wasn't scummy, these are not counterarguments

yes they are.
because they were scummy, I THOUGHT THEY WERE SCUM.
GET IT?

You seem to be pushing your read on me a lot more than your random read on Snarky.
Is snarky your partner?

pedit: dammmmmmmnnnnnnnn not_mafia, back at it again with the lylo mislynch tunnel!

[MarioManiac4]

Mario's alone vote just felt really opportunistic, it looks like Snarky is the consensus

Snarky is the consensus? what kind of reasoning is that?
You can't deny the entrance was scummy. I, as town, saw alone doing something scummy and voted him. Give me a reason why you don't think that was the case.
Shotty was also scummy zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I never said alone wasn't scummy, I never said shotty wasn't scummy, these are not counterarguments

yes they are.
because they were scummy, I THOUGHT THEY WERE SCUM.
GET IT?

You seem to be pushing your read on me a lot more than your random read on Snarky.
Is snarky your partner?

pedit: dammmmmmmnnnnnnnn not_mafia, back at it again with the lylo mislynch tunnel!

This is just substituting arrogance for a lack of an actual argument, I called your pushes opportunistic and you wanting to stay in the background. Saying they're scummy is irrelevant, this would be a terrible counter in singleball, but especially in multiball, which you acknowledged yourself. The "Is Snarky your partner" is just pure desperation.

Yup, you just admitted to "calling" them opportunistic.
I didn't want to stay in the background. I wanted shotty lynched.
And what? It's not ultra towntell, it's what happened. I thought they were scummy. I lynched them.
And why would I be desperate? You're the only one pushing me.
You come into the day saying, "MM+SS scumteam?" then go on to suddenly try and get me lynched.

[MarioManiac4]

Mario's alone vote just felt really opportunistic, it looks like Snarky is the consensus

Snarky is the consensus? what kind of reasoning is that?
You can't deny the entrance was scummy. I, as town, saw alone doing something scummy and voted him. Give me a reason why you don't think that was the case.
Shotty was also scummy zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I never said alone wasn't scummy, I never said shotty wasn't scummy, these are not counterarguments

yes they are.
because they were scummy, I THOUGHT THEY WERE SCUM.
GET IT?

You seem to be pushing your read on me a lot more than your random read on Snarky.
Is snarky your partner?

pedit: dammmmmmmnnnnnnnn not_mafia, back at it again with the lylo mislynch tunnel!

This is just substituting arrogance for a lack of an actual argument, I called your pushes opportunistic and you wanting to stay in the background. Saying they're scummy is irrelevant, this would be a terrible counter in singleball, but especially in multiball, which you acknowledged yourself. The "Is Snarky your partner" is just pure desperation.

Yup, you just admitted to "calling" them opportunistic.
I didn't want to stay in the background. I wanted shotty lynched.

And what? It's not ultra towntell, it's what happened. I thought they were scummy. I lynched them.

And why would I be desperate? You're the only one pushing me.
You come into the day saying, "MM+SS scumteam?" then go on to suddenly try and get me lynched.

So what's your point?

My point is that the reason I lynched them was because they were scummy.

[MarioManiac4]

Okay, you're scummy

k.
you thinking you want to lynch me is not scummy.
congratulations?
but i think, you need, like, good reasoning and stuff?

[MarioManiac4]

And you never answered who you think the scum team is, are you saying it's me and Snarky?

It's a good possibility.

[MarioManiac4]

Are there others?

yes.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: No Lynch

Overnokill.

[MarioManiac4]

Votecount 4.2

LYNCHED

SnarkySnowman

[L-0]

: Golden Robster, Dwlee99, Almost50, Not_Mafia

Not voting

(2)

: MarioManiac4, SnarkySnowman

With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

SnarkySnowman

has been lynched, he was a

Werewolf

Night 4 has begun. Night 4 will end in (expired on 2016-04-23 19:00:01)

So the question is, who bussed ron this wagon?
Probably not Robster. It's probable we have scum within Almost/NM and I don't really know which one right now.

[MarioManiac4]

Did everyone vote for an accelerated night?

No, I zoned out of the game when it went to night so I forgot to vote for one.
Scum would easily nokill and I don't know why NM is acting like they missed the deadline.

[MarioManiac4]

Wait, are we still doing that "Ranger died" thing?
Scum nightkill whoever they want, town can't control it. And I'm pretty sure that they CTRL+F'd for ww crumbs, like the werewolves from the last Jungle Republic.

We don't have any confirmed town here. I was scumleaning on Almost yesterday. I'm not sure why NM or GR would kill him. And why do we think werewolves didn't vote for accelerated night? If anything they'd think "oh well, let's nokill and get to the real game."

Our seer died N1, almost, and there was never any reason to kill you. If you think that scum wouldn't keep you alive because you had a correct townread on me, you'd be wrong. Even if you're scum that's no reason to kill someone.
Why does NM's hammer clear him?

[MarioManiac4]

Almost was a universal townread, you refused to give any real reads in the 6p day, your reads are meaningless in regards to the no, Rob is the obvious kill choice for Almost, Almost was the obvious no for me and Rob, the only person who's no is up in the air is you, your "everyone would no kill" argument is comical

I'm pretty sure I was online over the night. As Werewolf, you have the power to kill and it's part of your play. As a VT I don't bother with games at night, because I have nothing to do.
And why is it comical that scum would nokill?
There are three townies left. It's mylo. Do you REALLY think that a townie's vote would be ignored while choosing to kill. Are you just trying to create as many reasons as possible to scumread me?
Dwlee wasn't an optimal kill for me either.

[MarioManiac4]

Wait, why did Mario call Shotty mafia rather then scum in #273?

Habit. The game's called Mafia.

[MarioManiac4]

Well I reread the Snarky ISO, and it doesn't feel like distancing seeing as Almost was the only one he voted.
But then again, SS didn't really try to lynch Almost.
Aaaaaand on the other hand, Almost didn't distance in return...
sigh.

[MarioManiac4]

The NM ISO;
He basically tunnels Almost with Snarky and calls him a VT, possibly due to number disadvantage. He pushed almost, kelbris, shotty and then me.
His voting spree is kinda funny.
He then goes onto me, saying "Oh snarky's probably the partner" and then tunnels me, calling my shotty push "oppurtunistic" when I was a long-term supporter and he jumped on later. He also "picked an easy target and sticked in the background" with almost?

[MarioManiac4]

Gun to your head, who's scum?

you.

[MarioManiac4]

Sigh.
Sorry Snarky.

[MarioManiac4]

Sigh.
Sorry Snarky.

WOOHOO!! WE WIN!!

Wrong!!!!
I was sorry that he got lynched so quickly. We still lose.

[MarioManiac4]

1 more win for my town record

ummm...
i'm town

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymPpIzaanhY

[MarioManiac4]

I assumed he was town because I thought NM was scum :/

[MarioManiac4]

Gendaberry did you troll the dead with wrong spoilers? If you did then you are the best mod ever.
Unfortunately shotty's probably just trolling lol

[MarioManiac4]

God dammit Mario

the troll goes deeper

[MarioManiac4]

snarky said rob was scum.
Shotty said we just lost..

Think about it. How would shotty get more information? He would only have access to the Dead PT.
I was town.

[MarioManiac4]

in a 13p game town mislynched twice and no longer had majority.
this is after a crosskill.
jungle republic is pretty much inherently scumsided, especially seeing as town power is weak for a 10v3.