Open 633: Near Vanilla-GAME OVER

[SnarkySnowman]

Confirming my replacement and that I've seen my role PM. Let's read.

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Here's a readlist.

Town {MagnaofIllusion, Oceanwind, Ollie}
Townlean {Bellephant, Jim, acryon, Killthestory}
Scumlean {Lowell, Imperium, Nosferatu, ChurchofMercy}
Scum {Severa}

ChurchofMercy is interesting, because I see a lot of associatives with them (and a lot of info to be gained from that lynch), but I don't necessarily think they're scum, so I'd like to consider. Let me read that one a little more thoroughly.

Severa, on the other hand, has done almost nothing and I feel like that's a particularly worthy lynch, if we run up against it. Also, UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Severa

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K Bella prob town got good vibes off that post

Several Lynch would be nice

I'll be honest, I'm starting to see the argument for Bella being scum. I'm not sure I'm feeling the town vibes off the post you mention but I'm a little more cautious with my townread on bella - maybe into the null category for now?

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I am fine with a ChurchOfMercy lynch today.

I'm diffident about whether to read through for other scumreads as well before seeing the flip.

Complacency isn't necessarily a scumread, but this gave me bad vibes.

See, even the fact that you called out Acryon instead of me is tellling.
I can imagine this level of passive aggressiveness but I'd expect that the one you'd be calling out is the one who told you you're full of shit because I'd be the one antagonizing you here.
This is making a show, not your actual feelings.

VOTE: ChurchOfMercy

This felt pretty bad, for a lot of reasons. Actually, on re-read, ChurchofMercy's response in 338 and 339 is pretty shit, too.

Why do you talk like you think you're god's gift to scumhunting?
I'll give you a little hint: you're not.
I will not be unvoting CoM today unless something big happens.

This, directed at Kts, feels like it's meant to be de-railing to one of the most thorough cases (against Bella) that I've seen Kts make.

Ha!?
I am not scum!

Church's reactions were incredibly off and their AtE rang insincere. I'm lynching them.

I will read Bella for you though!

While I'm in agreement that Church's reactions were fairly scummy, I'm curious as to your thought on Bella, since you've ignored that. How do you read them at the moment?

I'm incredibly skeptical of SnarkySnowman putting me as sole confirmed scum with current levels of content from my slot.

Feels like an attempt to generate a counterwagon. CoM flips scum that's my first priority.

The motivation behind all your posts feels forced in context. And this, saying you're skeptical of me putting you as my only scumread (as opposed to scumlean), feels like you're upset that I caught you for the wrong reason.

Keep in mind, I'm not exactly townreading CoM.

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

I still believe that CoM is scum on principle but I'm near positive that this is scum.
He has no justification for having me as sole scumread. If he wants to say 'Severa needs to post more, useless slot, lurksack', etc.? Say that forever.
But for me to be his #1 scumread is fucking bunk.

I don't like his stance on the CoM wagon either. I feel like he's either scum with them or he's scum trying to position for a push on me tomorrow after their flip.
Either way, I'm prioritizing this over CoM.

Is this the "something big" you were referring to? Again, feels OMGUS-y more than convinced.

I have justification - you've posted very little, you've derailed what I think was a possible route of discussion, which I think would have been productive, and you've avoided giving opinion on anyone other than CoM and now myself, as far as alignment goes. Plus, I see the associative between you and CoM forming, and I think that I could get some information out of your lynch, which I think is more likely to be scum than CoM's.

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The associative?

VOTE: CoM

Yeah, Snarky and CoM are scumbuddies.

That is, you are not likely of the same alignment as CoM.

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Pretty sure that's not the wagon you'd want to derail, no matter your alignment. You did de-rail Kts on Bella though, which I didn't like at all.

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Can we please lynch Severa today?

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sev is town.

I don't see it. Why do you say that

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See, Lowell, I get scumvibes and see a scum tone / motivation from Severa, so I don't understand your townvibe.

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Hey Snarky what alignment do you prefer by the way?

Town or 3p in a single scumteam game, scum in a multiball. But I'm pretty sure that doesn't matter?

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Intent to vote CoM. I have no idea what the count is right now and don't want to derphammer.

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Who is severa an alt of?

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VOTE: Severa

Nothing has really changed for me overnight. This still needs rope.

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Can we all stop dragging our feet and vote Severa?

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RC is still scum.

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I have justification - you've posted very little, you've derailed what I think was a possible route of discussion, which I think would have been productive, and you've avoided giving opinion on anyone other than CoM and now myself, as far as alignment goes. Plus, I see the associative between you and CoM forming, and I think that I could get some information out of your lynch, which I think is more likely to be scum than CoM's.

1. What route of discussion, you never describe it in your ISO
2. This is true, but I also find it odd that you find that a person only giving an opinion on one person, who was in fact the subject of discussion at the time scummy. Wouldn't bringing up someone else have diverted the discussion? Seem s like either way you could present it as scummy.
3. The associative argument is just chianing lynches and CoM already flipped town. But then the you say they aren't of the same alignment? But then you have CoM at a scum-lean?

You're reads are a mess from my point of view.

A - I thought both CoM and Severa were scummy, but definitely not of the same alignment. I thought Severa/RC was way more likely to be scum than CoM. I wasn't wrong to not be on the CoM wagon, which I thought was probably town.

B - Severa/RC has de-railed the shit out of Killthestory, on a few things. I can see the associative between RC and Bellephant, by the way, who are probably scumbuddies.

C - RC is certainly scum, I don't know why people think I'm scum other than people listening to RC and being like "Welp its RC he's probably right I guess"

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For the record, updated reads.

Town {MagnaofIllusion, Oceanwind, Ollie, Killthestory}
Townlean {acryon, Lowell, Nosferatu}
Scumlean {Imperium, hueristically_alone}
Scum {RC, Bellephant}

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I fail to see how severa/RC de-railed kts or what you even mean by that.

another question, why did your read on me move up?

Tone/intent. And let me fetch quotes

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Or just read page 18 onward, where Severa basically says I'm not scumhunting because I'm scumreading him.

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Probably replace, I think?

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You realize that the reason I was as deathtunneled as I was in 1750 was because I had a 100% confirmed scum I wanted to wagon. In this case, I do not have a 100% confirmed scum to wagon, I have you, who seems fairly scummy and who I would like to wagon. I'm not discounting the possibility that you might be town, I just think that's really unlikely.

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Still waiting to hear why I'm scum for a reason other than that I'm hard scum reading Rc

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Oceanwind, KTS is why my townread of bellephant changed to scumread. You can find the quote yourself, that's just lazy.

As I said, I disliked RC/Severa totally playing it off like that read was moronic when I thought it was actually a good line of discussion we could have followed up on. Instead we stayed on CoM which I ended up deciding wasn't really a scumread (and their self-hammer was pretty shitty :/)

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Actually give that post some consideration for a bit. A lot of reads and positions. A GREAT DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLY LYNCHING BELLA. What info did we really gain from lynching CoM?? (other than my assertion that the Severa slot is scum?)

Bellaphant is still a good lynch, but it seems like we're ignoring that. This was a great route to try and go in, the CoM wagon was pretty lame.

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My most recent post was pointing at the good discussion on that post, not on your de-railment. I admit I exaggerated that, but the disregard for it completely struck me as scummy.

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CoM

WAS NOT

confscum

[SnarkySnowman]

Thanks for that.

Reads are now very clear: Scum are {RC, Ocean, Bella}

I'll make a full post later.

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well at least I can rub this game in KTS's face if he's town.

Or you could explain your reads and maybe try and not have that attitude of you already won :/

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Or vote RC because not helping town is pretty anti-town, by definition.

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It's like herding cats here.

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I do get mislynched often.

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I don't see what others are seeing on Ranger, this lines up with her town game i think.

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Virtue may I ask who you're an alt of?

RC is still scum, I'm re-thinking the bellephant slot. Imperium and Ocean are still scumreads.

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I still don't see how ranger is scum. Can we not go there

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Pretty sure there's at least two scum in your "townblock", ranger.

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I'm gonna look back, because I don't think you have any completed games where I was scum.

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In fact yes, you haven't played in any completed games where I was scum. So why does this look like my scumgame to you, as opposed to my towngame?

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Actually, neither you nor Ranger has a completed game where I was scum.

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So why am I scum here?

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For the most part, they both tend to scumread me - see my wiki, which is mostly up to date on completed games.

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See I still think this is Ranger's towngame but I'm starting to doubt that for that reason, MoI.

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I was a vanilla townie. Fuck you guys. RC is scum, OceanWind is scum, and one of Virtue / Masq is scum. Imperium is probably town.

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Possibly Ranger too, but I think definitely look at RC, Ocean, Virture and Masq first.

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^ lynch this scum

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You did this the last time I had you pegged as scum, and it ended up winning you the game. If it works, congrats. But I really hope at least some people listen to me.

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ftr I think MoI is very town.

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I mean, you act like I'm incapable of making decent reads. You're definitely scum.

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@RC