Open 636 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem - Game Over

[Blue Yoshi]

Let's not keep this streak up.

VOTE: duppin

[Blue Yoshi]

Sorry I had to ruin it. Maybe next game.

[Blue Yoshi]

If only I could believe that.

[Blue Yoshi]

And you're the most beautiful low-rea UFO picture I've seen.
No brownie points though.

[Blue Yoshi]

I'm going to stay silent until I either get daykilled, the daykill is used on someone besides me, or I get lynched so I can venge.

I mean, this doesn't seem like an explicitly scummy thing to do, but it's still rather unhelpful.
And the worst part is, if we lynch you because of your unhelpfulness, and you aren't scum, you are guaranteed to use your vengekill, and possibly get another town killed.

Severa, why are you doing this?

[Blue Yoshi]

This strategy is kinda perplexing me. Mainly because I don't feel confident in it succeeding.
Do you have a good target for scum yet, or are you just going to wing it?

[Blue Yoshi]

If you think you can catch any one of the three scum in 3 pages when some people haven't even talked yet, go ahead.
But find someone else to support your unsafe plays. I'm sure you'll be able to, since you're at L-2.

By the way, if you somehow don't get lynched today, what's your plan? Because to me, you seem like you're just in this game so you can get a kill whether it be town or scum, get out, and not suffer any consequences afterwards.

[Blue Yoshi]

I keep forgetting about the scum daykill.

But to be honest, I'd rather they shoot an unwilling, unhelpful obvtown now who will likely get another town killed, than an important, helpful obvtown later who figures out the mafia.

Still gonna wait. The lynch itself, assuming people are dumb enough to vote, might provide more info.

[Blue Yoshi]

UNVOTE:
Not like it really means anything, but it doesn't mean anything.

[Blue Yoshi]

ggfhdd
UNVOTE:

[Blue Yoshi]

kind of agree with bellaphant's vote, unfortunately I don't trust the person making it.
Oh well, let's take them one at a time.

VOTE: heuristically

[Blue Yoshi]

I'll excuse it for early game confusion, especially over all the Severa nonsense, but I want to see if heur has anythig to say.

[Blue Yoshi]

oh wait didn't even notice the votes
UNVOTE:

[Blue Yoshi]

The vote was more to prod some sort of response out of heur, but the fact that they already have 3 votes meant it wasn't entirely necessary.

I'll give you that it probably wasn't necessary to unvote either, but eh.

[Blue Yoshi]

By the way, are you bandwagoning acryon's reasoning?

[Blue Yoshi]

Top post doesn't mean a whole lot when 6+ of them are off-topic or not-substantive.
Same goes when you've made few substantive posts, and a vote with no explanation. Hence why I asked if you were BWing their reasoning.

[Blue Yoshi]

HA feels super awkward. It's a gut read. it's prolly not a day 1 thing, or a page 5 thing. I think a sevra vote is bad, though.

You, on the other hand...

Got any questions for me?

My question, which you've chosen to ignore twice now, is if you voted heur based off of Acryon's logic.

[Blue Yoshi]

I feel like there's more than that.
Do you at least agree with acryon's statement/opinion on huer?

[Blue Yoshi]

Wish I knew what everyone is talking about in regards to this alt. '^ '

Either way, I'm still considering the behavior to be pissed-off town, rather than mafia. I'd doubt they'd keep their vote on themselves at L-2 if they were maf, even if they had a lot of faith in their wifom.

[Blue Yoshi]

So I'm guessing by #179, you see Severa as town?

[Blue Yoshi]

Flubb is looking pretty town. Leads me to wonder if he's right about NM.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Blue Yoshi]

EBWOP: came up with that read before flubber's last post and it makes me feel more sure about him.

[Blue Yoshi]

@H_A
Is your entire town read on NM based on meta? And who do you see as scum right now?

[Blue Yoshi]

quick thoughts before I go to bed (been a long day)
stop giving a shit about severa, nothing's going to change in that regard and they aren't going to do shit for half the game whether they're town or scum
N_M is seriously just trying to get a word in wherever possible, even though it's rarely relevant
pistachi0n has a low post count which could be wifom in regards to alignment, and few substantive posts, leaning scum at least until I see more
Postie seems consistently misinformed, meaning they probably either aren't familiar with the setup or just the game (which could be town or complex wifom, haven't decided)
aristo's high post count is unimpressive, but I can't really read them yet
I'm apparently confusing aristo and heur in my reasoning because to me they're both playing very filler-y, so probably same read
seriously fuck severa

not getting to anything else tonight, too tired
sorry for all the fence sitting and lack of proofreading.

[Blue Yoshi]

A heur/N_M scum 2/3 seems likely, I feel a problem with heur trying too hard to deflect scum reads and suspicion off of N_M.
Not to mention my general distaste for the two of them in this game so far, which kinda just adds more.

301-302 (heur) also feels alarmingly defensive, and 369 is just as defensive in favor of N_M. 211 also makes it look like that heur is committed to read N_M as town.

I'm fine with an N_M lunch today. Contrary to heur's belief, a scumflip there will provide the most knowledge as to the scumteam, and even a townflip + vengekill would provide a ton of info.

Still think our priorities should be finding scum, not just information. We don't HAVE to lynch town d1 just to get a vengekill.

sorry for no post links, mobile is shite to manage effectively

[Blue Yoshi]

Oh whoa what Severa came back
(avoiding imminent prod)

[Blue Yoshi]

pdodge again
I thought something Severa said didn't sit well with me but reading back I didn't see it again.
Could've just been the scumread on me

Postie lynch isn't terrible cause it probably gives the most info but there are other people who would be better scumtargets for the noose. Still going back to what I said about lynching town for a vengekill isn't better than lynching scum.

[Blue Yoshi]

N_M your play makes me want to punch a wall

[Blue Yoshi]

All the reaction and overreaction surrounding Postie and their wagon, depending on how they flip you can determine interactions in their wagon, and if it's town, their vengekill could potentially hit scum

It's really just how any lynch would go, but it just feels like Postie's wagon has the most attention and the biggest opinions on.

[Blue Yoshi]

Here comes the counterwagon to scum

What does this even mean

[Blue Yoshi]

Oh okay
But your wagon's isn't anything new

[Blue Yoshi]

In fact your vote was at 3 since 1-9 where you were still the only vote on Postie so that's actually a really terrible excuse

[Blue Yoshi]

why what why
Too many things happened so fast
VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Blue Yoshi]

So you

are

the 2 shot day goon?

This post. It's not even trying.
Like Severa I understand your frustration with something not happening that should but GODDAMN N_M's play is just getting more and more atrocious.
And he's been able to get away with it all because of all the diverted focus all day, first Severa and then Postie.

But honestly how can you even look at N_M's posts, or are you even?

[Blue Yoshi]

April fools was last month
Pleeeease tell me you're joking

[Blue Yoshi]

Nothing N_M has done was remotely town, what are you even seeing

[Blue Yoshi]

Like is there some weird meta stuff that I don't understand?

[Blue Yoshi]

There's no conceivable universe where the combination of coasting, non-helpfulness, and snarky posts that just keep leading nowhere can somehow form together and become town

Obv-town, no less.

I did say that at one point!

My mind has changed.

And what does this refer to?

[Blue Yoshi]

Is your "town read" on N_M just because they're agreeing with you?
There's no way there can be anything but

[Blue Yoshi]

Stop quabbling in your scumchat and get back here

[Blue Yoshi]

Fucks sake stop being bad.

Postie is scum.

NM if you actually know him is pretty fucking obvious town this game.

Please leave your 2015 reads in 2015, we're in 2016.

If the only capacity you have to read people is meta then do not be so hostile when people choose not to follow you.

Aristophanes you carry this on and I will not bother to read you and will just lynch you.

Trying to bully the game into submission probably won't work, either. Are you expecting to be allowed to shepherd the town just cause you did something unhelpful at the beginning of the game that was interpreted by town as some?

[Blue Yoshi]

My meta was based off of a conversation with someone unrelated to the game after showing general annoyance towards the site.

o god. "gut-meta" town reads

aka, the biggest problem with the 2015 site meta

And considering you decided to spend the better part of the day being as unhelpful as all living fuck, I have an obligation to do this now.

I want to see how much support you can possibly rile behind this lynch and whether or not your third scum buddy will join in on it at any point. And if it does go through, the flip and/or vengekill will say a lot about whether I want to push you or N_M tomorrow.
It'll probably be you in either case because the pattern of what you've done to this point seems way too calculated to be general town play and that I kinda have faith in the town that they won't let N_M continue to coast in your wake.

No, my read on Postie isn't scum, I wouldn't even say leaning. I went through the ISO when she started being pushed and I never really caught on to why, and considering I felt the pressure after that be based on this point it looked like a push that didn't really hold any merit.
That is to say that the people that are pushing seem more scummy than she is.

[Blue Yoshi]

I probably shouldn't say "obligation", more like "maybe you shouldn't have been an asshat for so long to try to establish towncred"

[Blue Yoshi]

And granted instead of trying to establish towncred, I'm actually looking to unravel this game and not flame people that don't blindly sheep

[Blue Yoshi]

Oh wow.
VOTE: Severa

[Blue Yoshi]

I'd like to lynch {BlueYoshi, Pistachi0n, Aristophanes} for defending Postie without giving any sort of fucking reasons before we focus on hitting scum.

Not that none of them may be scum themselves, but I'd like to see that pool gone.

Wait a sec, who are you?

[Blue Yoshi]

Blue Yoshi entry is terrible, offers no explanation for a Severa bus

Makes very few substantial posts all game and yet this is the first thing that resembles a real post. And it's defensive for another person.

I'm probably reaching far more than I should be but Severa being scum makes a lot of sense in the scope of the game.

I'm having trouble parsing my thoughts right now but they essentially go as follows.
Severa wanted to build towncred as soon as possible so they went with the gambit they did at the beginning, through faking concern on the vengekill
Didn't speak at all until after TheDominator37 was replaced, so as to formulate a plan with the other mafia
After entering the game and casting blame on Postie who was sure they were scum, which they did turn out to be, and trying to ride this train so adamantly in order to gain more towncred
And now Severa can strongarm the town to do anything through overconfidence in their own perception of how much people read them as town

If Severa entered the game, starting to pin relentless blame on a mafia member and then was not shot, whereas Ranger came into the game with a similar level of adamancy except towards a different person (me) and then was shot, there's a bit of screwiness here.

There's also a point about avoiding a random and possibly unforeseen d1 vengekill in order to control the game more

If this isn't logical at all then I will try to explain myself better after all my tiredbrain is gone and I wake up tomorrow.

[Blue Yoshi]

I guess I've already shared my reads on N_M quite adamantly.

SnarkySnowman seems the most town in this game. He's been generally helpful in most points of the game and has always seemed like he's been involved, even if he does dumbs sometimes.

I like the style and helpfulness of Acryon's posts and how well they've been playing the game, but once their replacement comes in I'll probably have to reevaluate that.

H_A's posts aren't that great in general, especially the way he hopped on to the Postie wagon, so they still seem rather scummy in light of the Severa scumminess.

I'll share more in a bit

[Blue Yoshi]

Okay

Bellaphant is town if for no other reason than that their play this game doesn't seem to be fixed around a certain aspect, they're trying hard to develop their reads and solve the game.

Aristo has probably been coasting more than N_M has this game. The only difference is that Aristo actually hides it and N_M has possibly the most aggravating ISO to read through in this game.

duppin seems town in the same vein as Bellaphant, looking to actively acquire more info, though probably not as much so.

pistachi0n I like because they actually agreed with my point about Severa manipulating the game by whining to get what they want
But really their posts are just kinda average in general, nothing too spectacular to make it look like they're working towards the benefit of the town but also they don't seem to be attempting to derail anything too much.

I believe I've explained my gripes with heur in how he just seems to be letting the game be played for him while still trying to participate minimally, it's not really scummy but it's rather annoying.

[Blue Yoshi]

And with all of this decided, in addition to what's happened so far in the game with all the N_M + Severa crap, I'm inclined to believe that the two of them are scum.

[Blue Yoshi]

Before I die, can someone explain to me where all these town reads on N_M and Severa even come from?

Last I checked, activities such as sarcastic, unhelpful posting and inability to progress the game, or disastrously unhelpful gambits that lead into complete town control that no one even bats an eye at aren't towny. I honestly wouldn't be too unsatisfied if it came as a result of some sort of total mind control, because I see no other way that the game could've degraded to a situation like this.

[Blue Yoshi]

If Yoshi is town he doesn't live in the reality-based world

If you're town then I have no idea why you play the game of mafia if you just let it run for you.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: N_M
This is a better lynch. N_M can be scum even if Severa isn't, but I don't think the reverse is true anymore.

[Blue Yoshi]

Regardless of alignment the faster they are dead the better.

Garbage statement. It's only better for you because I'm the only person that sees you as scum.
Can anyone who isn't N_M read this statement and legitimately find a modicum of town incentive in it?

[Blue Yoshi]

5 minutes late on asking to keep the Scum Topic private
oh well, I still don't want it shown