Open 638: Friends and Enemies! (And Enemies!) - GAME OVER!

[Ozymandias]

Linkin Park are good. Never heard of the other group.

[Ozymandias]

Pink Floyd > everythign else, though.

[Ozymandias]

I will think some more, but I really don't see myself changing the vote.

[Ozymandias]

UNVOTE: Karnos

Mostly wanted to see your reaction.

[Ozymandias]

UNVOTE: Charloux

Wrong one lol

[Ozymandias]

I will talk with Karnos and decide.

[Ozymandias]

My concerns with Karnos are the fact that Ranger put him at the bottom in his first reads list, but then put him in the middle in the next one.

{randomidget}
{Creature, Kop}
{BTD6, Masquerade}
{Charloux}
{Kasumeat, Javajoe}
{Killthestory, karnos}

One.

{randomidget}
{Creature, Kop}
{Charloux, karnos, Kuroi}
{Killthestory}
{BTD6, Masquerade, Kasumeat, Javajoe}
Two.
VOTE: Masquerade.

The only posts Karnos between, are these:

Ah OK that makes sense. I can see why the reads on KTS and Karnos.

I'll happily change my vote to KTS if that helps. I just don't want to be the jerk that pushes a lynch onto a nice townie on day 1, and I am not yet confident that KTS is scum.

Actually...

VOTE: DrDolittle

I don't like the hiding... it makes me think you have something to hide.

Top class play coming from kts, not calling L-1 on page 2. Confident in the vote now.
Also kts, I was the first person to vote you. I'm not jumping on the wagon, I'm returning to it.

Wasn't it though? I hate to defend him, but you unvoted yourself, leaving 3 votes. BTD voted you, 4, then KTS voted, 5. Puts you at L-2. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have gone over the thread twice and I don't see it adding up to you being at L-1 with KTS's vote.

Spreading misinformation looks a bit scummy, but I think it could be an honest accident.

Which I am not sure warrant moving up in a read list.

[Ozymandias]

Then there is the rolefishing.

[Ozymandias]

And lastly, today's post.

But his progression in the posts I quoted makes it really hard for me to vote him. Plus he softed to me that he knew I was Mason D1, yet I was killed neither N2 nor N3 ( where a non Mason kill would mean a loss ).

[Ozymandias]

Who?

[Ozymandias]

You are both scummy rn.

[Ozymandias]

Like, if I was scum, I would make a case on the other guy here, but neither of you is even doing that.

[Ozymandias]

I hated Karnos's first post today, if it wasn't for that, I would probably lynch you without regrets.

Ah, some discussion.

I always find myself second-guessing myself. As I said I was 99% sure you were a mason, but something rubbed me the wrong way about how we rushed through the previous day without even letting kop make a post. Could there be some crazy world where Ozy is actually the scum and the real mason was reluctant to come forward and cc? Didn't seem likely, but I wanted to see what Charloux posted before voting him. We have plenty of time, it doesn't hurt to use it.

Of course since then Charloux has come out posting and he is still claiming VT, I can confidently place a vote on him, since he himself has removed the one nagging doubt I had. There is no reason why mason charloux would still want to hide at this point.

VOTE: Charloux

To your questions, Ozy:

1. Why are you Town?

I'm always town, it seems. Luck of the draw, I guess? To your question in the other post: I have two completed games on the site, both as town, so no scum examples, sorry. I also have another ongoing game but I can't speak to that. In my first town game, I played against scum.ranger and we lost, badly. I'd hate to see this turn into a loss to scum.ranger's team.

2. Why is Charloux scum?

Process of elimination. Bad answer, I know, but it is what it is- all the scummier players have already been lynched. It kind of makes sense now though, now that I think about my first game. Ranger & snoe was the team, and while ranger was active and aggressive at "scumhunting" and such, snoe was largely passive and stay out of the major discussions or claims. I see charloux play in this game as not too far off from how snoe played, and I'm wondering if it's from ranger's coaching in scum chat in both cases.

3. Why did you spend half D1 rolefishing?

I thought KTS was playing scummy as hell. What player forgets his role? Then he claimed kop wasn't a mason. A minute later, he was claiming kop is a mason. The inconsistencies and backtracking made me think he was surely scum of some kind. I also figured, if the masons are already outed, then surely one would be willing to confirm KTS crazy story, just to get the scumhunting back on track, so when that never happened I just got more suspicious.

In retrospect, I realize it was a gambit to get nightkills on ranger instead of a mason, which is kind of a cool strategy, but I'm not sure I would ever try it. If he picked wrong and ranger was a VT, how would he look when ranger came out and said "i'm no mason, KTS is lying, lynch him!"?

Even now, I'm not sure I would play any different, because if it happened again it might just be scum KTS testing the strategy since it worked so well as an actual mason.

He could just fall back on us, and I am pretty sure most of the player list understood it was a gambit, anyway. There is literally no reason for all Masons to come out like this D1.

[Ozymandias]

Meh, I wish I was as confident in this as I was when Joe was hanged, but whatever.

If you are Town, sorry Charloux and sorry to the dead fellas ( especially Creature ).

If you are scum, you played well.

gg

VOTE: Charloux

[Ozymandias]

The end.

[Ozymandias]

Now I can go study for my exams, at least.

[Ozymandias]

Ikr.

[Ozymandias]

I would lynch again everyone we lynched, though, probably. No regrets, really.

[Ozymandias]

Good job, Karnos.

[Ozymandias]

I bet dead chat ain't happy.

[Ozymandias]

gg

Thanks for hosting, Kuroi.

Sorry Town.

Congrats, Ranger and Karnos.

[Ozymandias]

My biggest fear was that someone would realize why I was so suspicious of KTS claim: as ranger's scum partner, I knew immediately that ranger wasn't a mason.

My thinking was if KTS is scum pulling this sort of gambit, if I lead a lynch on him it'll reflect positively on me. And if he is a real mason doing something fishy, well then it's a net gain for scum to get a mason lynched.

Your progression of votes KTS>Ranger>Kop>KTS looked very natural, it's the main reason I thought you were Town from that point on, pretty much.

[Ozymandias]

Them spoilers.

[Ozymandias]

So, why did you kill the guys you did, Karnos? You certainly did not follow Ranger's blueprint.

[Ozymandias]

I don't think so.

It was a point in the game where killing Masons took priority.

[Ozymandias]

Exams, man.

You were a great host, as well. Best rhymes.

[Ozymandias]

Eh, I have exams in June, July and September so yeah...

[Ozymandias]

I should have stuck with my read on you in my first post.

[Ozymandias]

I also was quite a bit less aggressive than usual due to the fact that I was a Mason. I should have just played like I was a VT, probably.

I ended up being an obvious Mason anyway, due to my interactions with Kill's D1 claim. While it worked out perfectly, it kinda put me in a strange position, as I really thought Ranger was scum, but I understood Kill's plan.

Meh.

[Ozymandias]

All lesson learned.

[Ozymandias]

lessons*

[Ozymandias]

Well Kasu was obvious Town since D1, yeah, at least I got that one right.

And you did a good job by not killing me, even though I town read both you and Charloux coming into today, you bought yourself a lynch in Creature ( sorry btw ).

[Ozymandias]

Ehh, I fucked up, but I had good reads except for the last spot.

All Masons agreed on you, Creature, and everyone agreed on Joe. I only really made the last call, which is on me, yeah.

[Ozymandias]

Because it was. No offense.

[Ozymandias]

First post he voted Ranger and said his vote would go back to KTS, in case he gets counterclaimed. Makes sense.

Second post votes Kop because KTS said he was not Mason and he wanted to pressure someone. Fine by me, it's the only post which you could argue is bad.

Third post he re votes KTS because he contradicted himself in naming Masons. Logic.

[Ozymandias]

Between post 1 and 2, Kill claimed Ranger was a Mason.