Open 638: Friends and Enemies! (And Enemies!) - GAME OVER!

[Charloux]

Greetings.

[Charloux]

That is clearly buddying!

[Charloux]

VOTE: random
Ok what now?

[Charloux]

It goes from towniest to scummiest. One being the page the reads are taken from.

[Charloux]

Well... only if she is town though.
But my opinion is useless since even the mod couldn't write my name properly in the latest vote count...

[Charloux]

UNVOTE:
I don't really like L-1 so fast sorry

[Charloux]

Why do i get the feeling this is SvW

[Charloux]

Ah my bad, didn't notice he voted and unvoted himself.

[Charloux]

If you think so, then all i have to do is not vote at all, no?

[Charloux]

Ok i promise not to vote unless it's a matter of lynch or no lynch!

[Charloux]

Well we have to use somebody to get out of RVS and it's NAI that nobody wants to be the scapegoat.

[Charloux]

If it's obvious that his vote is ridiculous, then your defensive is really strange. I mean if it's obvious then you don't have to defend at all.
-1 town points for you

[Charloux]

Well i like using "rating" for my reads, which goes from -10 to 10. Everyone starts at 0 and depending on their posts it changes.

[Charloux]

Uhm mistakes CAN have motivation. I think Ranger added the mod's name so you have an easier time understanding her list.

[Charloux]

Stop sealing my page top!

That's called karma

[Charloux]

Well i like using "rating" for my reads, which goes from -10 to 10. Everyone starts at 0 and depending on their posts it changes.

So where everyone is at currently?

Nothing noteworthy i'm afraid. Since it's still early in the game everybody is pretty much between -1 and 1. Kasumeat is my scummiest read with -2.5.

[Charloux]

"Buddying really fucking hard is not scummy at all, so don't vote me. Also, vote Kasu and Ozy because Ozy is buddying him." — Ranger 2016

Huh? I thought only Creature was playing buddy buddy with Ranger and not the other way around. But even calling it buddying is far fetched as well.
I don't know about Ozymandias, but you are looking more and more scummy

[Charloux]

Night or day talk does not matter, scum has no reason to speculate about masons in the game thread one day into D1.

AH but it's different in multiball setup! Not to mention town gains nothing from speculating who the masons are; it only benefits mafia and werewolves.

[Charloux]

How is it different in multiball?

The difference is that there are 3 teams of course But seriously, scum can work together at certain times, but the only way for them to communicate is by posts during the day. And if i'm not wrong you said that anti-town action can be converted to town cred?!

[Charloux]

It's still 10 days too early for us to lynch somebody. If you are town you will sacrifice your time for the greater good

[Charloux]

Now that i think about it, if Kasumeat wanted to end the day early, he would've waited for L-1 before voting... Guess he really was frustrated

[Charloux]

WHAT.THE.FUCK.HAPPENED.HERE?!

[Charloux]

Haaa... here is my list if no one counterclaims...
Town-KTS, Kop, Ranger,
L.Town- Creature, Karnos, Ozy
Null- Masquerade, Javajoe, BTD6
L.Scum- Kasumeat, Random.

[Charloux]

As for the whole mason claim: the correct play here is for me to neither verify nor contradict Killthestory's claim, for obvious reasons.

I see, since KTS is chaotic, it would be catastrophic if anything is done about it. Let's close this issue for today guys.

[Charloux]

I see 2 most likely situations here, and KDS is town in both of them. Don't ask for claims and vote for someone else today.

[Charloux]

I am okay with anybody apart from masons being lynched, since i don't have any solid town reads.

[Charloux]

Stop playing anti-town and drop this already!

[Charloux]

@Random: you know... Please stick with a vote for more than 2 posts, or it won't hold any credibility.

[Charloux]

Nice doubtcasting there Charloux.

Doubtcasting? Who and where?

[Charloux]

I don't see it as doubtcasting. It's NAI in my opinion, but i can't take you seriously if you vote left and right like you are changing socks.

[Charloux]

Yes i am a fanatic when it comes to cleaning and hygiene!
Like i said i don't take it as AI, but i won't be able to trust him if he changes his vote all the time. Heck if he sticks with me i will be happy.

[Charloux]

Never say never, we still have 12 days...

[Charloux]

Yes, i believe we should wait for the first round of NK's to pop up. We can deduce this mason thing with that.

[Charloux]

Sorry, but there are 2 teams of 2 scums, so they can't be a trio.

[Charloux]

Nvm... Im just stupid...

[Charloux]

I beg to differ. If Joe is scum then BTD is the godfather!
That said i don't think Joe is scum, but BTD is a good choice. I'd vote for him but i promised that idiot Random i wouldn't...

[Charloux]

And why do you think Joe is Town?

More than town, i am nullreading him atm. I don't treat my nullreads as scum slot, but am willing to vote for them if needed.

Why am I an idiot? I'm one of the few players in the game using commonsense.

When i say idiot, i don't mean your intelligence; I don't like you so i call you an idiot. No offense.

[Charloux]

It's NAI, just ignore me

[Charloux]

I don't like that you often change your votes. so i'm having a hard time taking you seriously.
But it seems only i have that problem

[Charloux]

Town-KTS, Kop, Ranger.
L.Town- Creature, Karnos.
Null- Masquerade, Javajoe, Ozy
L.Scum- Kasumeat, Random, BTD6
I have nothing to add for Joe, hence the nullread. I'm too lazy for a BTD analysis right now so i will just scribble something:
366 Anti-town play, demands confirmation on who the masons are on pretense of finding scum.
382 407 still attacking, but in 413 suddenly switches the target to java.
After this he made a strategic retreat from his rolefishing, and finally in 441 he says we should ignore KTS'sclaim...
458 is NAI, and the rest are just some unneeded overdefensiveness. Rating is (-4.5)

[Charloux]

Sorry, forgot to put you in null category.
That said i still don't like you!

[Charloux]

@Charloux: I see you have me as a nullread, we also differ in opinion on Joe and BTD6, yet you don't try to talk to me about my reads. I'm getting the feeling you have no interest in improving your reads because they are fake. What has Random done to make your read change from scum to null? How come you're not voting anyone?

I'm having a major lack of motivation nowdays please understand. I know you just want to engage in discussion with me, but it's just not happening until my sister moves this FUCKING MUT FROM MY APARTMENT! BUT SERIOUSLY TELLING ME TO TAKE CARE OF IT FOR JUST ONE NIGHT AND THEN SHE DISAPPEARS FOR 3 DAYS!!!

[Charloux]

And for not fucking voting check posts 61-64!

[Charloux]

Yes and yes. I called her boyfriend and he will come pick up the dog tomorrow since he felt sorry for me...

[Charloux]

Because they are mason buddies

[Charloux]

Well not so sure about masquerade, but i can bet btd is a mason, hence his odd aggresiveness towards kts. But i think kts is just a vt putting up a gambit.

[Charloux]

Not today, im not in the mood.
This anti town move of mine was a retaliation against him being a jerk.

[Charloux]

Typical. Everybody just takes what they need and disregard everything else without any regard for the mental status of others. I'm through with this game.

[Charloux]

@Masquerade: Can you repeat your questoons i haven't answered yet? Sorry for acting like a spoiled brat.

[Charloux]

V/LA for 2/3 days. I think i will have access to Wi-FI, but just in case

[Charloux]

@Charloux: I see you have me as a nullread, we also differ in opinion on Joe and BTD6, yet you don't try to talk to me about my reads. I'm getting the feeling you have no interest in improving your reads because they are fake. What has Random done to make your read change from scum to null? How come you're not voting anyone?

You are half correct. Although not fake i have no intention on drastically improving my reads today. My read on Random was mostly because i had a personal problem with him; And i gained a better impression of him after our small dialog. I said that i won't be voting unless we need 1 vote or it's a no-lynch; But i don't include masons in that group

Are you seriously going to keep that promise? Why would you even do that?

I'm a spoiled brat.

You have Random as a scumlean in a prior readslist, so how come you listen to your scumread? Why aren't you voting anyone at all? What are your thoughts on Joe and BTD6 other than what you said in this post? Have any of your reads changed since you made 356?

I am nullreading Ozy and Random; But am following Ozy's interactions, while i'm leaving Random for later.
BTD and Kasumeat are my top scumreads right now, followed by java who is leaning towards scum, but his playstyle itself in most games is scummy so am keeping an open mind for him.

[Charloux]

I am not sure if Java is random so it's better to VOTE: BTD6 and think about him after some flips. L-1
Sorry i couldn't keep my promise Random Win con first

[Charloux]

I was kind of hoping to see some reactions before a hammer; But shit happen.
PE: @Ozy: Don't forget to pay attention to others before you vote for someone!

[Charloux]

I guess that could happen, yeah, but I would rather not bank on it, Random.

PE: @Ozy: Don't forget to pay attention to others before you vote for someone!

Hmm?

You sounded like you don't care what happens as long as we lynch Java

[Charloux]

No it isn't; But we can still lose even if we lynch only scum

[Charloux]

8:4
Mislynch
7:4
2 town deaths
5:4
Scum lynch
5:3
2 town deaths
3:3

This is a worst case scenario where scum join hands

[Charloux]

Never lose hope!

[Charloux]

@KTS: FUCKING WELL DONE MATE!!!
i really thought you were all bark and no bite, but WOW
intent to hammer, maybe someone has something to do?

[Charloux]

Now that you mention it, how did he know she was scum at all?

[Charloux]

I kind of feel the urge to know what rhyme kuroi will think of if i die.
Lets at least wait for everyone's thought for refference before lynching.

[Charloux]

VOTE: Masquerade
@Scum: Kill me tonight please <3

[Charloux]

I'm okay with a night skip.
VOTE: Nightskip

[Charloux]

The only important thing is to have fun!
Btw any thoughts for the last scum?

[Charloux]

Come on do the right thing in the end at least

[Charloux]

When the night ends the survivors see who they turn into and then just kill em

[Charloux]

But if it ends just like this... wouldn't it be boring? I hope Java doesn't flip scum.

[Charloux]

And thats why the twilight will last for 2 days?

[Charloux]

Well Kasumeat was my strongest scumread so this makes things easier for me.
VOTE: Joe

[Charloux]

Let's get a bit serious now, how about masons claim for starters?

[Charloux]

Or we could lynch somebody and hope both masons live, what's the plan?

[Charloux]

I think Kop and Ozy are masons; Creature was a townread of mine, which leaves only Karnos as scum since i know my role

[Charloux]

I think Kop and Ozy are masons; Creature was a townread of mine, which leaves only Karnos as scum since i know my role

Alright, he was a townread, but what about now?

Well i like him enough that i'd lynch Karnos over him, but i would vote for creature in lylo so i don't really care who is lynched first.

[Charloux]

Yeah sure *puts his vote on creature*, now what?

[Charloux]

VOTE: Creature
Still think it's Karnos but YOLO

[Charloux]

@Karnos: It's gg already so can you kill me tonight?

[Charloux]

I don't think that's possible since Ozy confirmed him, no?

[Charloux]

Sure, i am an idiot but not to that degree.

[Charloux]

You lucky bastard!

[Charloux]

VOTE: Karnos
Those who kill must be prepared to die. It's a no brainer for me that you are scum.

[Charloux]

How is everyone that suspected you over Karnos died, Charloux?

If i could read this much into NK's we would've finished this game a while ago.

Town-KTS, Kop, Ranger.
L.Town- Creature, Karnos.
Null- Masquerade, Javajoe, Ozy
L.Scum- Kasumeat, Random, BTD6
I have nothing to add for Joe, hence the nullread. I'm too lazy for a BTD analysis right now so i will just scribble something:

You have karnos and creature in the same tier, explain what changed that led to this post:

I think Kop and Ozy are masons; Creature was a townread of mine, which leaves only Karnos as scum since i know my role

Let me put it like this. Karnos is a 6 and Creature is 7,5. Basically i scumread my weaker town read since it was obvious i made a mistake, does that make sense?

Well Kasumeat was my strongest scumread so this makes things easier for me.
VOTE: Joe

Also, explain why you thought Kasu was scum after Ranger's flip, as you state here.

Rangers flip had nothing to do with it. My main reason was his mentality from 622 to 647 But now that i ISOed him, his last few posts would make me put him below Joe in lynch list.

Well not so sure about masquerade, but i can bet btd is a mason, hence his odd aggresiveness towards kts. But i think kts is just a vt putting up a gambit.

What made you think KTS was just a VT pulling a gambit?

KTS is like a genius version of myself, so i thought i could read his actions to a certain degree but i was wrong in the end. I thought that he was trying to draw NK's on him, Ranger and Kop knowing that normal masons wouldn't CC him since it should be obvious from their point he was wifoming.

Sorry my posts are so useless... But if you seriously let Karnos win i hope your chair breaks and you fall.

[Charloux]

Sorry i can't remember why i thought he was scummy because i didn't write it down or post and i just made a mental remark. So...yeah... i'm scummy as fuck now...
I have no games where i wasn't town. This is my second game where i'm not a PR at that.

[Charloux]

Just lynch Karnos and we win come on! I'm an obv village idiot and not scum!
Well if you want to lynch me go ahead, i wanted to be NK-ed anyway so i could get a song. But this will leave a bad taste in my mouth if this is how i lose my first game after all the shits i caused so far...

[Charloux]

I don't even know what a VI is so that doesn't apply here. I bet the death thread is laughing like hell right now from our discussion.

[Charloux]

Just follow your gut and vote, i won't be mad no matter the outcome; If i lose that just means i suck.
PE: This is freshest so i will go with it: Town-Karnos has no reason not to insta-vote me since you are obv town. Instead he is cautious to the point of creepiness. And if we haven't caught the last scum so far it's more likelier that he was townread.

[Charloux]

@Dead tread: Sorry guys... don't hate me.
GG
PS: You have a terrible taste of music.

[Charloux]

Not really i like Linkin Park and Aimer. But it really sounds like a children's song so no offense.

[Charloux]

Well hope dies last so i won't end this game by self-voting. I believe that you will do the right thing so i will come see the results later.

[Charloux]

@Karnos: I'll be honest here. If i was Ozy i would definitely lynch Charloux. I'd never guess you joined mafiascum at the same time i did. WP

[Charloux]

I hope you can explain from what angle you viewed this game later.

[Charloux]

Sorry, but we lost <3
GL on your exams

[Charloux]

But we had 7 players with 3 masons and we blew it. Just amazing

[Charloux]

Yup. I play 90% for fun and this game was a blast!

[Charloux]

How many NK's did you think ahead?

[Charloux]

He most likely planned the last 3 NK's so you think i killed them.

[Charloux]

@Kuroi: Whispers in the woods sounds more interesting sorry. But if i die in my ongoing game i will apply for yours (Can't be active in more than 3 games)

[Charloux]

Only now i figured out it's Dr. House. I feel so stupid now
Put me in the list of players!

[Charloux]

Where are the links? Or do i have to search the private topics?