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In post 8, Skold wrote:Impeccable reasoning Blackstar. I'll sheep that hard.
VOTE: umlaut
Heads up I don't scumhunt because it's stupid and leads to basically random lynches. I'm warming to town read into PoE but that could be a symptom of positivity bias that suggests because when I town read someone I am statistically likely to be right, I end up believing my townreads are accurate.
It's fine. Townhunting's an equally valid method as scumhunting and may bring even more spectacular results if done right. Especially in this setup. Don't feel forced to act according to meta if your method works for you.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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In post 16, Skold wrote:
Seeks to pocket me by supporting the part about town reads while ignoring the part that disputes the validity of town reads.In post 10, The_Jester wrote:It's fine. Townhunting's an equally valid method as scumhunting and may bring even more spectacular results if done right. Especially in this setup. Don't feel forced to act according to meta if your method works for you.
Or is just town trying to be supportive.
See how difficult it is being reasonable people? Eh fuck it I'll vote you anyway just to be safe.
VOTE: The_Jester
I took your #8 as a sign of being insecure (maybe somebody gave you shit for the way you play before) so I just wanted to back you up to make you focus on the game instead of wondering whether you're playing "the right way". I don't see how I could "pocket" you by that. Are you prone to buddying?
Also, what did you mean by voting me "just to be safe"?Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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I had similar feelings towards Aubrey's entrance as Blackstar but I don't think he deserves a vote solely for that.
Eh as much as I dislike RQS, I think it's more likely to come from newbtown in this case.
Could you elaborate what you meant by that?In post 55, Gamma Emerald wrote: 3: I think the town has to be really careful, unless I don't get the setup and it selects the same row or column on each, then we just have to deal with two nightkills and less clear potential.
I disagree. Townhunting can be very effective if done right (if you let scum slip into your townbloc, you're not much of a townhunter). And it's especially good in this setup. Why? Cause both anti-town factions will try to get rid of each other first, out of fear for crosskills. Hence, they will scumhunt in a manner resembling town scumhunting which will make them hard to spot from our perspective. Only town has reasons to townhunt here. And PoE becomes amazingly useful after the first scumflip.In post 65, Aristophanes wrote:Town hunting and PoE aren't as effective in multifaction games, as I said above.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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This is just ugly WIFOM territory. I've taken Aubrey's response as genuine town and his latest posts have erased the bad initial impression in my eyes.In post 93, Mimikyu wrote: I would argue that a player almost always gains MORE towncred by criticizing someone's townread of them. You can accept the single townread or you can critique it and receive multiple others.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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In post 102, Mimikyu wrote:This isn't some corner-case play. It's the clear best play at this point in the game, and it isn't rocket science figuring out that it is.
Even so, I don't get that fake, elaborate feeling from his response. It looks natural.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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In post 169, Aristophanes wrote:
Yeah, but it convinces nobody but you, and makes me raise an eyebrow. These kinds of posts could easily come from scum, especially earlygame when they are trying to get into a towny mindset and blend in. So show me in actions that you are town rather than trying to tell me so!In post 168, BlackStar wrote:If I know that I'm town, of course I'm going to think that way
This is a good observation. Especially in conjunction with
Which seems like a weird allergic reaction to being called scum. I'd imagine a townie would just ignore such remark.
@Umlaut what about #158 don't you like especially? There's plenty of various stuff in there so I'm curious.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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I don't think scum would want to lurk under any circumstances causeIn post 188, Aubrey wrote:So I've seen a few comments regarding the fear of scum hiding or lurking, but in a game with two opposing factions that are threatened both during the day and night is it really best for the mafia to hide/lurk? In a game where it is just town/mafia I'd say yes, but I don't think that would be the case here since it would be beneficial for scum to hunt scum as we've said already. I'd argue that they would be somewhere where the action is.
That all being said inactivity or lurking still is harmful to the town.
a) They wanna have control over the course of the game
b) Less active players are often scumread cause many people subconciously connect activity with towness (which is invalid)
On a side note, your post seems like something scum would say to stay relevant and appear active. Mainly because you took an irrelevant topic atm (lurking) and presented a twisted interpretation (I don't think anybody has stated fear for lurkers being scum, if anything Mimikyu said that he's afraid of letting lurkers lurk cause they usually turn out to betownin #174). Whereas you haven't given any hint of which side of conflict you're on regarding Blackstar vs Umlaut/Zach.
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Zach looks town to me and his argument with BlackStar looks TvT after rereading.
Not a huge fan of Gamma and Dunnstral.
Liking Mimikyu and MeowMix.
I don't see the motivation behind Dunnstral's vote on Zach (besides his early meta read which isn't worth much imo).
Like, the only thing I agree with him on is his comment about Gamma's vote but he's not the first person to point it out.
Dunn hasn't adressed any specific parts of Zach's ISO and doesn't seem to have read the game much:
These "random buzzwords" was Zach paraphasing Umlaut's #176, which is even written in the quote you've provided. I don't get what you were trying to do here, make Zach look incompetent?In post 242, Dunnstral wrote:
Keep using random buzzwords, palIn post 187, Zachstralkita wrote:
What was addressed was that BlackStar strawmanned and deflected what Umlaut conveyed better in #176 than apparently I have in all my posts. I'm quite sure we all know how " strong " his scumread is. No one is feigning ignorance of anything at this point.
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+1 for Zach who apparently doesn't give a fuck about towncred. Cracked me up properly.
@Java I don't believe there's a unanimous answer to your question. The mod was kind enough to provide you with a fresh VC so maybe it's time to put in some effort?Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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What irked you? Umlaut's coasting?In post 361, Dunnstral wrote:
Well nobody else really reacted to the vote
Let's just say I was slightly irked by the post before my vote
What made you feel better about him?In post 375, Ümläüt wrote:Losing confidence on BlackStar though
Gamma has me conflicted. Like, judging by the content provided by him I can't say he's done anything particularly towny. But looking solely at his reactions, they seem rather genuine. I don't think I'll be able to read him correctly before I get to know him better.
Question to anybody willing to answer: why do you give Gamma so much shit for omgusing Meow while Blackstar didn't get any heat for doing this to Umlaut?Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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Blackstar's said he's good at reading intentions. Maybe that's what got stuck somewhere in the back of your head.
Funny thing is, I just went back to check it and found a potential slip which I've missed before:
In the highlighted part I believe Blackstar's wanted to say: "based off their tone and word choice" but subconciously used the word "town" instead. Now, that could suggest he's seeing other players as town by default cause he himself's mafia-aligned.In post 158, BlackStar wrote: I'm pretty decent at judging people's intentionsbased off of their town and word choice, so I was just following my instincts.
I realize this is a big stretch and I'm not gonna make a big deal out of it, especially that I've townread Blackstar this game. I'm posting this just for reference.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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In post 432, BTD6_maker wrote:Some of GE's more recent posts.
Why would a Town player identify as lynchbait? In my opinion it seems like scum are more likely to do that as claiming to be lynchbait may be an attempt at stopping your lynch. This is slightly scummy.In post 377, Gamma Emerald wrote:"Frustrated lynchbait" is exactly how I feel right now.
This is also rubbish misrep. What matters is not whether you are actve, but what you say. Lurking is anti-Town.In post 359, Gamma Emerald wrote:Great job guys. I tried to be active in the discussion, and this is what happens. I guess I'll just copy my EpicMafia habits and lurk all the time. Thanks for teaching me this valuable lesson.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
That vote was garbage. Despite how morally dubious Gamma's statement was, he doesn't seem to have followed on it and your vote seems very opportunistic. I can only see two mindsets which are likely to cling onto such obvious red flags: newbtown or scum.
You don't seem to be reading the game and address only these parts which stand out exceptionally and don't require much thought. I get that you may be busy irl but come on.
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Sorry for my inactivity but I've just quit my shitty job and got a new one, which is an improvement but leaves me with very little free time.
Let's do the catch-up thing.
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Okay I won't be able to finish my catch up tonight so I'm gonna post this as it is and follow with the second part tomorrow. Way too much content to break through at once.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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Ok this part of the catch-up will be brief cause at this rate I'm not gonna make it before DL.
I'll try to omit Ari cause I wanna make a separate case on him.
Spoiler:
Caught up.
UNVOTE:
I don't think Dunn's a viable lynch today and I don't like how people jumped on the wagon with little to none justification.
I could lynch Gamma but the lack of counterwagons bothers me.
I'm gonna ISO Ari and make a case on him and decide whether he's as scummy as it appears to me right now cause I think he may be a good counterwagon. Then I'll decide on my vote.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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Sigh so I started writing my case on Ari and halfway through I realized most of his posts seem scummy to me cause I WANT him to be scum. I'm starting to think it's just his playstyle that makes me feel uneasy but I could say the same about Gamma so fuck me.
I can say Ari isn't really acting pro-town in my eyes but I don't think that makes him scum necessarily...
But just so you see my POV and don't think I'm talking out of my ass, there are 4 main things I dislike about Ari:
1. Faking being helpful/buddying.
2. Overbearing number of excuses/Not keeping promises of catching up in-thread.
3. Posting a lot of fluff/IIoA to appear active.
4. Lack of strong scumreads/switching votes at a whim.
And his overall cheerfulness which just seems so plastic. I mean who the hell talks like this?!
But I have no previous experience with him so that may be just how he is...In post 911, Aristophanes wrote:I'm excitedly waiting this case on me. Should be a fun one!
Ad1: #41, #43, #50, #59, #135, #142, #386,
Ad2: #298, #385, #482, #485, #567
Ad3: #56, #71, #171, #300, #572, #574, #611, #628, #681
I realize some of these things could be said about most of us, me included, so I don't think it warrants a lynch wagon. Welp.
Gamma doesn't look too good but my gut tells me he's town. I'll vote him before DL out of necessity. I really don't see any viable counterwagons atm and it sucks.Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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Why would he bus a partner in multiball, especially one widely townread anyway? Are you saying we should look for another mafia in people Umlaut pushed to lynch?
Why did you scumread Blackstar before and what points to him being associated to SS?Why'd the clown drive over the cup?
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