Open 591: C9++, The Lunatic Ayslum (Game Over: Town Win!)

[curiouskarmadog]

annd, it looks like RC already said everything I just looked up, so I am slow.

[curiouskarmadog]

okay trying to wrap my mind around the math...also waiting for MD's claim, Random's thoughts on the other cop claim, and RC's crumbs.

mod, please prod MD

[curiouskarmadog]

I know who is telling the truth, so I can see if someone is lying. That being said, we can force them into a corner. DLA and MD are town.

so here is the rub, if you take all the claims (thus far) at face value. it looks like this.


(town by claim)DarkLightA: vanilla
Otolia: vanilla
curiouskarmadog: Vanilla
(town)Collatz: 1 shot vig
(town by claim)mnemonicdevice
(town)randomidget: cop
(town)Lucky2u: IC
(town)RedCoyote: cop

am I reading this right?

If this is correct, that indicates Ot and myself are scum, right? Well, I am not fucking scum...so one of the cops are lying.

there has got to be a scum proof formula for a successful town win given the following info that could test both of the cops tonight, unfortunately it will probably end with Ot or I getting the rope....going to start working on something though while waiting on MD.

[RedCoyote]

ckd, if both randomidget and I are cops, then that means there is a godfather. Ergo, md could be that godfather from your point of view and Otolia be his partner.

Breadcrumbs:

Also I'm in BEAUTIFUL Europe, land of the only handsome men (like me) on Earth.

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ourse... It's weird that you'd say Europe and not your country or city.

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Because you changed your vote once, and then twice for no reason.

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h, I don't buy what you're selling.

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My vote on Alchemist was also semi-serious. I'd like a response to the second part. Usually offering some sort of reason, even if useless, is better for town.

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lease. I can't stand it when people unironically say words like "semi-serious", "kinda random" "I'm a little pregnant". Be bold, friend. When I see a word like semi-serious I think you're leaving the door open to go in either direction with your true intentions.

You can also join me on the Marcrell wagon if you want to be on my good side.

[wgeurts]

okay trying to wrap my mind around the math...also waiting for MD's claim, Random's thoughts on the other cop claim, and RC's crumbs.

mod, please prod MD

He's VLA. Votecount coming once I've got PC access.

[Randomnamechange]

Not bad RC. Mot as good as when someone who was scum managed to do that as tracker.
Evidence for me: I was confident collatz and otolia were scum. If I got a guilty on them I could have gotten them lynched day 2, but I didn't want to claim at that point. If you look at my readlist dla was my next scumread. Notice I didn't mention him for the rest of the next day.
The MD investigation was a bad move. I guessed we would be trying to crack the game today and I wanted to confirm the alignment of the mosr scumread alive player.
@ckd I wasn't seriously voting you, that was rvs. Getting a bit desparate?
VOTE: ckd

[DarkLightA]

Good analysis RC.

I realize I read the setup wrong. There should be 2-3 VTs left.

Provided that the cop claims are both legit there are two VTs left. That means there's a godfather among me and mnemonic and a goon among Otolia and CKD.
I think it's solvable, but I want to hear mnemonic's claim.

[DarkLightA]

I know who is telling the truth, so I can see if someone is lying. That being said, we can force them into a corner. DLA and MD are town.

Randommidget being scum makes sense considering this claim. He ignores the possibility of a godfather, and indeed, if he is scum, there is no godfather.

[DarkLightA]

Just to be clear: I'm not saying I want to lynch a claimed cop. I think the optimal play is to lynch a VT-claim and let the cop(s) sort it out for themselves overnight.

[curiouskarmadog]

You can also join me on the Marcrell wagon if you want to be on my good side.

and for alchemist?

[curiouskarmadog]

Not bad RC. Mot as good as when someone who was scum managed to do that as tracker.
Evidence for me: I was confident collatz and otolia were scum. If I got a guilty on them I could have gotten them lynched day 2, but I didn't want to claim at that point. If you look at my readlist dla was my next scumread. Notice I didn't mention him for the rest of the next day.
The MD investigation was a bad move. I guessed we would be trying to crack the game today and I wanted to confirm the alignment of the mosr scumread alive player.
@ckd I wasn't seriously voting you, that was rvs. Getting a bit desparate?
VOTE: ckd

OMG, you really are a horrible player...or scum. give me the link of what you are talking about with DLA, I dont see the post. if you really are a cop, the MD investigation wasnt bad, but given who you supposedly thought was scum and the fact you felt like I was being a dick to you, you should have investigated me, Ot, or Coll night 1. it doesnt make any sense.

that being said....I think might be town,

it all depends on the MD claim though.
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everyone else, I think the game is solvable now. I have no time today to really work on this though...I probably wont be able to post again (anything of substance) until thursday, maybe wednesday.

[curiouskarmadog]

Just to be clear: I'm not saying I want to lynch a claimed cop. I think the optimal play is to lynch a VT-claim and let the cop(s) sort it out for themselves overnight.

this...I am just trying to figure out a scum proof formula.

[wgeurts]

Votecount 3.2:

✂ DarkLightA : 0 :
✂ Otolia : 1 : DarkLightA
✂ curiouskarmadog : 1 : randomidget
✂ Collatz : 0 :
✂ mnemonicdevice : 0 :
✂ randomidget : 0 :
✂ Lucky2u : 0 :
✂ RedCoyote : 0 :

Not Voting:

Otolia, curiouskarmadog, Collatz, mnemonicdevice, Lucky2u, RedCoyote

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-02 09:45:03)

It takes 5 votes to lynch.

mnemonicdevice is VLA.
Collatz has been prodded, he has (expired on 2015-04-21 23:09:34) to pick up the prod.

[Collatz]

RandomMidget - Who did you investigate on Day 1 and who did you investigate on Day 2?

[Randomnamechange]

OK, fair point about gf, hadn't considered that. Collatz it was obvious, I investigated DLA N1 and MD N2

[curiouskarmadog]

on the road a lot today(ie had time to think in the car), cant really come up with a scum proof formula yet...I have some ideas, but to explain the idea would make them NOT scum proof, me thinks. Barring MD's claim, the only lynches that make since is OT and myself. Even with the above mentioned ideas, those lynches dont change (unfortunately).

going to think about it some more and maybe try to scum hunt (though again, there really should only be 2 lynch candidates today), it is tough to swallow both cop claims. I dont think randomScum could fake a claim like this by himself (yeah yeah I know, random has a team mate that might or might not be a godfather). and RCscum? find it difficult to think that RCscum would throw his roleblocker under the bus. though, he could have, I have thrown a GF under the bus before.....but...it is doubtful at this point.

[Lucky2u]

Lynch random midget, confirm his two results, hunt for goon in the remaining 4 players?

[DarkLightA]

Basically, the thing is that if we do have two cops, we're much better off with them alive than dead.
We'll get more results tomorrow.

There is at least one scum among VTs+Mnemonic. I suggest we start with that.

[Randomnamechange]

Alchemist - I think he is probably town. Don't really know why.
BBT - the fact that he is more concerned with stopping a mislynch than finding one makes me think town.
DLA - whilst his early play felt good, some of his play has felt odd recently. I'm starting to lean null-scum. More on this coming.
Otolia - entire play feels off. I just think that this could be a clash of play styles, but I don't see town motivation in his posting
CKD - I don't see scum being this much of a dickhead. VI.
Sorry, I have to go, will finish this later.

Null-scum lean day 1. To be honest end of day 2 I thought collatx was town. I was flipflopping beteeen md alch and otolia.

[DarkLightA]

Otolia and RM could definitely be scum together

[RedCoyote]

You can also join me on the Marcrell wagon if you want to be on my good side.

and for alchemist?

Huh? That was just a general breadcrumb. I was using the cop smiley for myself.

We're really at a standstill until md comes back... no plan can move forward until then. I mean, it's safe to assume he'll claim VT, but who knows. Additionally, if he does happen to claim a PR of some sort, then one of the PRs is definitely lying. Collatz, what do you make of the situation? I'd say you're the second-most townie player now behind Lucky.

[Lucky2u]

I'd say you're the second-most townie player now behind Lucky.

whoa whoa... your reading me as town?

[Lucky2u]

There is at least one scum among VTs+Mnemonic. I suggest we start with that.

I am ok with this. In fact, I'd want to start with MD to get rid of any possible distraction he will provide in late game.

[curiouskarmadog]

Lynch random midget, confirm his two results, hunt for goon in the remaining 4 players?

as much as I would like to, it only confirms his result...couldnt one of them still be a godfather?

[Lucky2u]

Lynch random midget, confirm his two results, hunt for goon in the remaining 4 players?

as much as I would like to, it only confirms his result...couldnt one of them still be a godfather?

absolutely. That's why I said we hunt for the GOON in the remaining 4. By the time we get the goon, our player list will have dwindled and we can go after the godfather.