Open 598: GAME OVER

[You Got Schooled]

'Coz I don't wanna hammer without a claim/ 'coz I'm bad at maths and your spam-voting confused me? Pretty sure I'd be l-1, right?

/in before lane votes me for bad maths.

-bella

[lane0168]

Claim of what? I bet he claims town. Do we still have a power roll?

[lane0168]

I don't think it's a hammer

[You Got Schooled]

Good points.

VOTE: sthar

l-1

[sthar8]

If you would like to lynch me before I have a chance to respond, do it today.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX, sthar8, ika, You Got Schooled, lane0168, Antihero

Townier
ZZZX
Ika(I think?)
Antihero
Lane
sthar
YGS
Scummier

I explain later. I wana hear what sthar has to say first tho.

[snscompt1]

VOTECOUNT 3.01

sthar8(3):

Antihero, lane0168, You Got Schooled

L-1!

Not Voting:

ZZZX, sthar8, ika

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline is June 12. 02:20 PM EST

(expired on 2015-06-12 14:20:00)

Sns, can we have a VC before I vote?

Sorry but I wasn't able to access a computer yesterday.

[ika]

make this shars warning to give out info.

when ig et on break form work im hammer weater he posted or not

[You Got Schooled]

Ika, you best be town...

zzzx, intrigued about that reads-list...

-bella

@sns, no worries, I just can't count

[sthar8]

How about one of you unvotes? Its pretty fucking unreasonable to expect a big post from me during the workday right after my vacation ends...

[You Got Schooled]

UNVOTE: sthar

-bella

[ZZZX]

zzzx, intrigued about that reads-list...

If you have any part you want me to explain then just tell me .

[sthar8]

VOTE: Antihero

ika is still the most obvtown of obvtown

bbt just has his fist up his own ass

sthar's mega derp on the setup spec + the recent empty prod for content seals the deal for me

Note that we've dropped the 'your setup spec was dumb' point, because it fucking wasn't. Anti was attacking me for disagreeing with a plan that led to a town loss. And his bullshit reason for me being wrong was a misrepresentation of what the plan actually entailed. He

wanted

molla's plan to go through, because there was a possibility for a scum auto-win.

And you should be able to figure out when I'm just busy. It's not hard.

cutting you off right now because it has nothing to do with that

Totally does. You're taking any excuse to flip on me here, because you knew what my 'empty prod for content' would lead me to. You're calling it empty even though it really wasn't because that's easy to mistake for concise, which it was. And the reason I've been so concise is because I'm busy, which you know to be factual and legitimate. You're pressing it though because that makes it tougher for me to defend myself, and that makes me an easier mislynch.

but I can totally see Anti saying:

Let's kill BB because he suspects Persiv, net good for scum
Then I will point out suspicious NK, good for me
If you get a wagon, I have a reason to vote you, but you'll just claim cop

only someone who's never seen my scum game could give me this much credit

Anti is a good enough player to know that self-meta is worse than useless.

HOLY FUCK

THIS IS NOT SCUM IKA
THIS IS NOT SCUM IKA
THIS IS NOT SCUM IKA
THIS IS NOT SCUM IKA
THIS IS NOT SCUM IKA
THIS IS NOT SCUM IKA
THIS IS NOT SCUM IKA
THIS IS NOT SCUM IKA
THIS IS NOT SCUM IKA
THIS IS NOT SCUM IKA

HERE'S SCUM IKA:

(credit to tth for links)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60729
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=60599
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60340

THIS IS NOT ANY OF THOSE

OBVIOUSLY

Can we not do meta.

How about you provide reasoning based on this game for why ika isn't scum?

for IKA, yes we can

he's THAT predictable

Spoiler:

let's see....

cute and fluffy: 125 pages, 26 ika posts
doa: 136 pages, 27 ika posts
pyp: 64 pages, 9 ika posts

this game: 65 pages, 163 ika posts

ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER
ONE OF THESE THINGS JUST DOESN'T BELONG
CAN YA' TELL ME WHICH THING IS
NOT
LIKE
THE
OTHER

by the time that i finish this song?

he posts a lot

seriously, he doesn't do that as scum. it's almost a trust tell at this point.

alright, now that we've got that taken care of, sthar read

Buddying the obvtown

@Anti can you summerize sthar read for me?

partly poe, mostly that his reads are probably not legit. bbthydra is decently town and zzzx is actually moving to the townier end of the spectrum for me

This is some bullshit. PoE, without any justification of why. Then my reads aren't "legit" when the last time I had reads in thread was BEFORE WE HAD A SCUMFLIP FROM WITHIN MY LYNCH POOL. Also importantly, my read on Z is apparently bullshit because Z was becoming townier, but anti's attacking me for the read I had before Z had townslipped, or really had made any game relevant posts. The goalposts are on wheels here.

and i can already see he's pivoting to change his read on me.

predictive discredit, because anti knows there is no way I would accept this garbage push on me. He's made himself obvious scum to me, so he has to make my opinion have as little impact as possible.

this is all calculated because it's getting down to endgame and sthar knows he can't paint himself into a corner so the reads are getting more mushy and PLOP instead of more refined and narrowed down.

Again, moving the goalposts. Anti's taking my start of day2 reads and telling you all that they make no sense as endgame reads. That's true of course, because they WEREN'T endgame reads. Day 2 start is not endgame.

Anti's whole case on me is a series of assertions based on no fact, knowing that ika will hammer anything and hoping that he could keep enough townies snowed to get me lynched before I came back from v/la. He's trying to make my posts fit into the wrong sections of the game because he knows for a fact that I've been too busy to keep up. He is scum because he's using his knowledge of my activity to create a narrative. His plan was almost certainly to go with lane as the mislynch tomorrow. Following ika's targeting plan, his PGO kills YGS (so it's safe to call them town) and he shoots ika (so it's safe to call him town) that leaves the scum between him and lane, with not-even-reading-the-thread Z (who anti called town to buddy) as the deciding vote. You'll note that Anti hasn't mentioned lane in forever, because he doesn't want to have to backtrack on anything when it's time to scumread him

ok. Well if it's ika and ika wins I can be ok with that.

if it ygs and they win, I will not be ok wit that. Or sthar8

This is bad play. I understand that you don't like me because I called you out for being dumb early on, but this is a team game and if you're going to stake

other people's efforts

on who

you

are OK with losing to rather than on playing the game, you need to not play mafia.

[lane0168]

There's no way scum is going to push for a lynch that's in no one's lynch pool.

UNVOTE:
And I lIke it

[Antihero]

There's no way scum is going to push for a lynch that's in no one's lynch pool.

UNVOTE:
And I lIke it

counterpoint: this is sthar

and most of it's bullshit. everything else is misapplied

[You Got Schooled]

Alright, so based off of interactions I find it unlikely that ika or Lane are scum with Persivul.

That leaves Anti, Sthar and Z.

I think out of these three it's most likely to be Z or Sthar. Z has no interactions with Persivul, other than where he calls him his strongest scum read in his catch up in 581 - note he never follows up on this. Instead, he appears to shift his focus onto Newbie. Even on D2, nothing about Persivul.

Sthar has 0 interactions with Persivul. Zero. Nada. Niente.

Z or Sthar needs to be today's lynch.

[sthar8]

No. That's first level reasoning and it's dead wrong.

[sthar8]

There's no way scum is going to push for a lynch that's in no one's lynch pool.

UNVOTE:
And I lIke it

counterpoint: this is sthar

and most of it's bullshit. everything else is misapplied

PSA: argument by unsupported assertion is a fantastic scumtool when the town is being really lazy. Everything I said was true, despite Antihero's truly compelling argument otherwise. Please be a responsible townie and do your own damn fact checking.

Then vote antihero with me.

[You Got Schooled]

No. That's first level reasoning and it's dead wrong.

Sure that's your opinion.

I find it strange that neither of you interacted with him at all. Not a single exchange.

[Antihero]

There's no way scum is going to push for a lynch that's in no one's lynch pool.

UNVOTE:
And I lIke it

counterpoint: this is sthar

and most of it's bullshit. everything else is misapplied

PSA: argument by unsupported assertion is a fantastic scumtool when the town is being really lazy. Everything I said was true, despite Antihero's truly compelling argument otherwise. Please be a responsible townie and do your own damn fact checking.

Then vote antihero with me.

no, it 100% involves spin.

everything you put (especially the ika "buddying" when there were votes on him) was started from "this is scum and therefore scum did it"

you're spinning, sthar

[sthar8]

No. That's first level reasoning and it's dead wrong.

Sure that's your opinion.

I find it strange that neither of you interacted with him at all. Not a single exchange.

I also never put up a case on you. Because I was busy, then V/LA, then it didn't matter.

Newbie was a better lynch day1, then on day2 all I got out was "one or both of perm and YGS are scum, I'll talk about this later" before the claim and lynch.

[sthar8]

you're spinning, sthar

You're addressing my case on you with cheap rhetoric because you possess no valid logic response <3

[You Got Schooled]

I also never put up a case on you. Because I was busy, then V/LA, then it didn't matter.

We interacted though, right?

[sthar8]

Did we? Barely if at all.

[sthar8]

Yeah we didn't interact at all on day1.