Open 616: Fire and Ice (Game Over)

[itlepip]

PAGETOP

[Koggz]

Even if diamond is town, I would be okay lynching him at some point, if not today, because I wouldn't want town!him to face lylo if this is his playstyle. And I think scum would want someone who is mislynch bait to survive so if we don't lynch him he might survive to lylo.

you want lynch town
bad you

[Koggz]

I will move to Diego if and only if it means a lynch for today. He's been middling for me and I would prefer Sharky, Diamond or Random, but a lynch today is better than no lynch.

will lynch diego town
would prefer to lynch sharky diamond or random all town

[Koggz]

Final Vote count Day 1.11

Players alive: 13

Players needed to lynch: 7

Diego1487

- 7 - Not_Mafia, randomidget, SnarkySnowman, DiamondSentinel, Wanderer-nl, itlepip, My Other Head Is Scum - (L-0) (LYNCH)

Not_Mafia

- 1 - Diego1487 - (L-6)

randomidget

- 4 - A Simple Plan, lilith2013, Sharky5x, The_Jester - (L-3)

Players not voting: Apricity

After much discussion, the town comes to an agreement with the day quickly slipping away, and Diego1487 is brought to be executed, but to the towns chagrin, they find that Diego1487 was not made of fire, nor ice.

Diego1487 was a

Vanilla Townie

Now the day draws to a close, and as the sun begins to set, the town fears that fire may burn and ice may freeze.

The deadline for night one will be frozen until 24 hours after a replacement for Apricity is found, or 48 hours after this post; whichever is later.

why do ice not kill

[Koggz]

Interesting. So Doctor knows the Ice Mafia kill.

oh this why no ice kill

[Koggz]

That exactly what I'm not saying. I'm saying leave that as a null read and atop mentioning it. I'm not asking to be town-read. I'm asking to not be shittly scum-read.

Can everyone jump on this wagon please...

Popping in quickly, still trying to be really

I'm getting the feeling that Diamond is town and flailing pretty hard because everyone is just kinda on him for not a whole lot. I don't like itlepip on this one.

Also VOTE: Not_mafia
Not quite satisfied with NM lynch yet but I think my vote belongs here for now. I think, mainly, he needs to talk a lot more.

like this

[Koggz]

It's certainly cringeworthy, but I think on the whole his play reads town to me. I'm not saying he's 100% confirmed town but it feels town and not scum to me. I don't feel good about it but I don't feel it's scum.

yes

[Koggz]

Sharky, first off I am pretty sure that Diamond is scum. Second the way I see it even if Diamond is town here we can't have him in lylo, so either we lynch him sometime or we find all scum before lylo. Since I think Heim is scum and if he is town he isn't going to help us, we should just lynch him here.

again repeat you
not like this no no no no no you

[Koggz]

Fine. You've set this up yourself...


I'm the doctor. I healed someone (not revealing) last night, thus the comment.

diamondsentinel is doctor

Nope

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

fake claim

lillith is not ice scum

notmafia safing lillith

I didn't reveal who i healed because you said it only helped scum. I healed wanderer just randomly.

You healed "randomly" as a doctor? Also, why didn't you vote NM when he CCed you?

I read NM's post as "lilith isn't ice scum because if she were ice she would push for doctor to keep quiet about confirming someone to be non-Ice." Not a CC. NM, what did you mean by that post?

lillith safing notmafia
lillith fire mafia yes
vote you

[Koggz]

I may or may not have claimed doctor

you yes claim doctor

[Koggz]

Can Not Mafia say things that are more than one or two lines?

Also again I buy DS being town and would really like to not lynch him today.

You really buy that doctor claim?

asalt diamond sentinel
safing notmafia

[Koggz]

VOTE: snarky snowman

with doctor claims it is a confirmed mafia
but you vote snarky snowman why
vote you yes mafia you

[Koggz]

Could you explain why he's fire and not ice? Who do you think ice is?

Jester, MOHIS or sharky are my top picks as long as NM does flip fire. I don't see him flipping ice but if he does all my reads right now are worthless. Snarky is probably his partner because of his whiteknighting yesterday. If he was ice he wouldn't know that NM was the fake claim, but as fire he would.

itlepip ice mafia yes

[Koggz]

Nope

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

lillith is not ice scum

I may or may not have claimed doctor

How is that a claim exactly?
Saying "I may or may not have claimed doctor" is not claiming doctor...

Neither is voting someone for claiming doctor

Neither is saying that someone is not scum...

So again, show me where NM claims.

-Vedith

why this

[Koggz]

wait do we actually want to lynch scum right now? If we lynch town then the two scum will probably want to kill each other. If they both miss then we have 2 scum versus 1 town which I think is a town win 50% of the time. If 1 misses we are in lylo 2 which is the worst situation for us, and at best the two scum kill each other.

you want lynch town

[Koggz]

if kill town true best path
town play bad is not good situation
koggz give koggz best opinions
koggz value is ended
good luck on town
VOTE: koggz

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Okay......You know instead of spamming the thread with a lot of crap, you can put everything condensed into one post that you want to say, or at least just 1-3 posts.

Its really annoying to read, especially with your last post Koggz.

-Fire

[SnarkySnowman]

Itlepip ice and Lilith fire is the tldr. I don't think lynching town is the right way to go though

[itlepip]

Itlepip ice and Lilith fire is the tldr. I don't think lynching town is the right way to go though

it isn't, I made that whole long post about why that post was wrong if you have good scumreads.

[lilith2013]

why did he self-vote?

[itlepip]

:facepalm: why did he self-vote?

I really think that is a troll account. Thelhix did the same selfvote thing.

[Koggz]

koggz rest mode now

[itlepip]

I honestly think that koggz is still scum here. her selfvote felt really fake to me, her readthrough feels really weak. It feels like at a certain point (d2 onward) she picked her scumreads first to try to save himself and then picked posts to look at. Like in the Diego lynch, snarky also supported it but she doesn't even mention that, but when lilith says she supports a diamond lynch in the future that is scummy. I also can't actually talk about her reasoning because she doesn't give any.

[Koggz]

lillith kill koggz
itlepip kill lillith
lilith kill itlepip
game over town win

unless you scum want offer draw you both die

[itlepip]

@MOHIS, do you really think that koggz selfvote came from town there? One of her scumreads said that lynching the most conftown would be best (and then took it back), and that is enough for her to gambit herself?

Pedit: why does lilith get 2 nks? For this part I am going to assume that koggz's world is right just to show why it doesn't make sense, but I don't see lilith being scum and I am town here.
[koggz world]
If we lynch you, then from my point of view no matter what I lose. I get to choose between lilith winning and town winning. Since town found every scum the better play is to no lynch today or to lynch one of the scum, so that they win the next day no matter what scum does during night. If we were actually in your fantasy world, then what you did would still be wrong since it is the only play that gives scum a chance to win.
[/koggz world]
In conclusion Koggz's selfvote doesn't make sense from any perspective, which means it is a gambit. No scum would ever quickhammer koggz because if she somehow is town the other scum would NK them, and if Koggz is scum then town would just lynch the quick hammerer. So Koggz is safe in that she won't be punished for her gambit, so the only point is to look towny. The goal of town here is to out both scum, looking towny doesn't actually accomplish anything since we have so many scum, so the gambit feels really scummy to me.