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[Dattebayo]

Yay!

[Dattebayo]

Should we wait for the mod to change the "stage" in the first post to "day 1"?

That's what I thought.

[Dattebayo]

Vote: Tommy

for being the first player to post.

On a more serious note, why did you feel compelled to say:

Hello. Hope you all have a good game.

My first non-newbie one.

[Dattebayo]

Anyway, OMGUS vote: Slaine Hayes, obv. bandwagoning scum.

Your probably wrong; looking at the timings it looked Slaine Hayes simulposted and therefore didn't bandwagon.

Personal choice for a random vote is to me much more useful. If you have a reason, no matter what it is, it is something. By saying that your vote is random, you are making sure that in no way you can be held accountable for it.

It looks like you are attacking #44, is my interpretation correct?

[Dattebayo]

...let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

If you like.

Vote: LlamaFluff

- you're making far too much of a big deal out of it, I think.

It is true that Llama is overexcited, but why is that scummy?
At the time of your vote, there seem to be pro-town intentions behind it: Llamafluff is trying to get information from the reactions his attack produces.

FoS: Gojira

until you can give a reasonable answer to my question.

[Dattebayo]

I don't think it's neccesarily pro-town intentions. 'Scummy' behaviour is often to try and make the metaphorical mountain out of a molehill,

to exxagerate the importance of an insignificant thing in order to convince the town to lynch an innocent

.

Your vote was unjustified:

This isnt intended to lynch him

, but it definantly will generate discussion on the early part of the game, and let us see how other players react to casting their inital votes as this conversation is going on.

My reasoning here is that he's jumping on something that occurs in every game (as far as I'm aware) and is arguing semantics (arbitrary vs random). Not a great lead, but it's a start.

Llama isn't making it into a great lead and wants to use it as a way to get reactions.

Vote: Gojira

[Dattebayo]

EBWOP:
Llama isn't making it into a great lead and

[just]

wants to use it as a way to get reactions.

[Dattebayo]

I had little internet access over the weekend, so I'll reread and try to get something up soon.

[Dattebayo]

Wow, with a reaction like that

Unvote, Vote: Gimbo

.

Your joke about claiming scum was out of place but I don't think it was scummy; I just can't see either scum or town doing that. To me it is null tell.
I agree with Gojira's points on you: overreactions and bandwagon hopping. The fact that you just exploded in response just makes you seem scummier. Not only that but you response was essentially OMGUS.
And, Gimbo what you pointed out earlier was me defending Llmamafluff.

I still have my eyes on Gojira especially with him not responding to me saying that his vote on Llamafluff was unjustified.

When I have some more time, I'm going to look into what Phoebus has on Slaine and what Cavebear's response was to Llamafluff's vote.
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[Dattebayo]

EBWOP:
Llama isn't making it into a great lead and

[just]

wants to use it as a way to get reactions.

Reason for my Datteyo FoS. I felt like he was accusing Llama of something. Ihe was town, he would've said "I don't think ..." instead of stating whatever he said as a matter-of-fact. That to me sounds that he's just trying too hard.

I was defending Llama there.

I can agree with Phoebus's case on Slaine.

FoS: Slaine Hayes

I also want to add a point to the case:
Slaine was hypocritical when saying Gimbo was throwing around baseless accusations because Slaine first voted Gimbo without adding an explanation.

Cavebear's push for a claim was premature and reaked of scum trying to rush things.

FoS: Cavebear

[Dattebayo]

Problem 2:

You're looking for explanations but don't seem too concerned about hearing them because your vote seems pretty steadfast...

This is a pretty serious wagon that's going on here yet...while you claim you want an explanation, you're not following this up with an intent to allow him to explain.

Do you have any evidence for this claim that Slaine Hayes is deaf to explanations?

Slaine voted Gimbo with no explanation. When he did explain the vote, he something similar to all he wanted was Gimbo to explain. But there was no room for Gimbo to explain in the first place.
On top of that, he voted Gimbo before serious questioning and allowing him to respond.

[Dattebayo]

1.

there was no room for Gimbo to explain in the first place.

What are you talking about? It's not like this forum has a maximum number of posts per day. In what sense did he not have room?

2.

On top of that, he voted Gimbo before serious questioning and allowing him to respond.

Again, what? How does a vote stop Gimbo explaining himself?

1. Slaine didn't given him anything to explain about.

2. That was evidence showing Slaine probably not caring about an explanation which was part of problem 3:

Do you have any evidence for this claim that Slaine Hayes is deaf to explanations?

I added on the "warrants no explanation" under the impression that everyone already knew why I was voting, because he had JUST said that he was scum. If you read my post and thought I was just voting for no reason and didn't read Gimbo's, please go back and read now

OK fair enough.

[Dattebayo]

I just don't like Datteyo's posts, I really don't know how to explain it, maybe its just the style of his writing that ticks me off...

English isn't my first language. Macavenger, who was in my first game, figured that out and ever since then I've been trying to improve. I think I did since you didn't come to the same conclusion as Mac.

[Dattebayo]

Have you seen post 60, which preceded Slaine's vote, or posts 88, 94, 96 and 99, all of which preceded Phoebus's accusation?

I missed post 60.

You seem rather too keen to protect Phoebus, Dattebayo. Why is that?

I just thought that the point I was defending was justified. I've been proven wrong.

[Dattebayo]

6.

I think everyone is missing the point that I did not vote Gimbo because he claimed scum.

I was voting because of his hunch. In post 96, I specifically said that that was the reason for my vote. I took it off once he explained his reasons. Plain and simple.

I'm pretty sure that's a lie.

Unvote, Vote: Slaine Hayes

I'll dig up the evidence proving it's a lie and respond to Phoebus later. I have to go do something for the next hour or so.

[Dattebayo]

Post 47

It is true that Llama is overexcited, but why is that scummy?
At the time of your vote, there seem to be pro-town intentions behind it: Llamafluff is trying to get information from the reactions his attack produces.
FoS: Gojira until you can give a reasonable answer to my question.

Addressed to Gojira...a conditional FoS, expecting a reasonable answer.

i) - FoS are useless. They don't really threaten anyone...so the conditional nature of your "stigma" on Gojira is useless.

ii) - What constitutes a reasonable answer?

This post quoted is not contributing to the Axis but to my perceptions of a funky response from Dattebayo...raising a small flag.

i) I disagree. FoS's are an effective way to express suspicion. When I FoSed Gojira it put him under the spotlight and put some pressure.

ii) A reasonable answer in that situation would be one which explains why Llama's overexcitement was scummy and one which could be applied to Llama's actions.

Post 155 is so beautiful.

dattebayo agrees with me re Slaine.
However, he sticks with a FoS on him. Throws one out at Cave for good measure.

he agrees with my thoughts on Slaine and those thoughts include my statement regarding Gimbo.
yet....dattebayo is still voting Gimbo but points FoS at Slaine.

So easy to bus him with...at a later point...when Gimbo turns out pro town.
But then...1 for 1 might not be a bad deal...
Eh dattescum?

I agree that Slaine was attacking Gimbo for poor reasons which coincide with your thoughts, but I'm voting Gimbo for different ones.

The smiley thing - I don't like it when people accuse wrongly.

Now for Slaine's contradiction/ lie.

6. I think everyone is missing the point that

I did not vote Gimbo because he claimed scum

. I was voting because of his hunch. In post 96, I specifically said that that was the reason for my vote. I took it off once he explained his reasons. Plain and simple.

Obviously, I did intend on letting him explain, as I removed my vote after he explained himself. Normally I would only put down an FoS if I was suspicious,

but come on, he did say he was scum

.

I voted for Gimbo only FIVE posts after he said he was scum.

I added on the "warrants no explanation" under the impression that everyone already knew why I was voting, because

he had JUST said that he was scum.

If you read my post and thought I was just voting for no reason and didn't read Gimbo's, please go back and read now.

Then all you have done is made baseless accusations and claim that you are scum. I have no reason to believe you are pro-town. My vote stands.

You claiming that you are scum isn't the only reason I voted.

Townies don't make FoS's with no explanation, and would also be actively seeking out the scum, not just claiming they are to see everyone's reaction.

Gimbo, you are making FoS's with no justification and

going around saying you are scum

. An explanation is all I (and Llamafluff) are asking for here.

I think that's all of them.

[Dattebayo]

wow,,, Datteyo apparently sensed he is in danger and in panic jumped on the newest wagon, the Slaine wagon, scumtell much??

I expressed my suspicion of him before. Did you even read the point I brought up?

[Dattebayo]

And Dattebayo: No, that is not a lie. I questioned Gimbo about his hunch and he never answered, and proceeded to claim scum. That is definitely a good point to call him out on, even though it was not why I voted.

That's not what the evidence is telling me.

[Dattebayo]

Ok to clarify for FoS for Dattyo. There were mixed reasonings behind it. First, I did not like Datteyo's reasoning that Llama is just trying to get reactions, I feel that the reasoning is flawed because what Llama was trying to do by his vote that he obviously said wasn't meant to lynch anyone was actually a pro-town thing in my opinion.

Therefore I was attacking Datteyo's bad reasoning behind his vote, other than that I would have no reason myself to have a hunch about him since at that point (Post 54), not much content was posted for me to really get a hold on Datteyo's play.

1. I voted Gojira not Llama.
2. I was defending Llama and have made that evident on a few occasions.
3. I said I thought Llama had pro-town intentions too.
4. What happened to my writing style as being part of your hunch?

Dattebayo does indeed seem to be bandwagoning.
Another FoS for good measure.
FoS:Dattebayo

Ironic coming from the guy who just blindly barned Gimbo's point.

My overall take on the man [Slaine Hayes] is that he's twice done the same scummy thing, which is attempting to reconstruct the past. The second, recent incident is so blatant as to beggar belief. It's certainly bad play, whether he's scum or town, but I don't think it's strong enough evidence to convict him on its own. I can imagine a townie presenting two arguments, watching one of them get knocked down, saying "Yes, but the second argument's still good", getting carried away and denying the discredited argument was ever part of his case.

It isn't as simple as the situation you described. Slaine disowned his reason in response (which I interpretted as a defense) to Phoebus's accusatory post. Therefore, not only did he lie, but he also used it to dodge an attack.

[Dattebayo]

I suppose we just have to wait for someone to hammer.

[Dattebayo]

We now know Cave was cit, and can make a safe assumption in Phoebus being town.

Why exactly is it safe to assume Phoebus is town?

Vote: #44

As both Llama and Gimbo have pointed out there seems to be a connection between Slaine and #44.

[Dattebayo]

holy shit, Dattebayo is at L-1 again, wow this is quick,

Claim or Die

I'm the doc.

[Dattebayo]

I protected Llamafluff night 1 and Phoebus night 2.

[Dattebayo]

I'm keeping my vote on Dattebayo. He's been scummy from the beginning, and I think this doc claim is a trick.

Um. I don't think you said I was scummy before. I'd also appreciate the chance to respond to a case.

[Dattebayo]

Why the hell would Dattebayo choose to protect Phoebus N2?

Most of the town thought he was town which would make him an optimal NK target.

[Dattebayo]

His vote for Slaine was an obvious bus.

How so?

[Dattebayo]

Dattebayo voted Gimbo, whose meta is apparently always scummy, and

switched to Slaine when it became clear that the town was turning in that direction.

He's seemed eager to join whatever wagon he can.

You forgot to mention that I caught him lying.

[Dattebayo]

The scum's only hope was FFB getting modkilled and Gimbo getting mislynched.
Good game, though!