Mini 630: Council of Eville: Game Ovah!
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Not really, since most votes in random voting aren't truly random, and I've found it common around here to see a 3 person wagon sprout up and go back down almost instantly. It's just part of the random stage to me. Anyway, goat seems to be jumping on a lot of people, but that could be his style. alvinz was very hypocritical in the "that was opportunistic...vote stays". Oh yeah, since random voting is kinda over.
And yeah, 3 people random voting the same person is a bit unusual. Statistically plausible, of course, if the votes are genuinely random, but still unusual.unvote."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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EBWOP: For now I'm not voting since I don't see anybody being incredibly scummy. I actually buy Rage's looking for slips thing (considering I've done stupid plans on a similar vein before as town)."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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To be honest, SC, you look VERY OMGUSy right now. It sounds like panic in a way. I could be wrong, but it rubs me the wrong way.FoS: STrangerCoug. I would probably vote you if you didn't have a wagon. You don't need to die for your reactions yet, but they are noted."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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forbiddanlight Blowfish
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I agree with this sentiment, but I disagree with the wagon. While SC looks scummy, the wagon that appeared on him looked worse, in my opinion.
The fact that you have now cast suspicion on every person that has voted you, claiming that a person voting for you because you are acting scummy is "opportunistic", sounds to me like you are trying to scare people away from voting you.
I think that is scummy."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Guess I lied. This is about the millionth time my saturday plans have been cancelled. Allow me to mope for a few hours and I'll return to check cases."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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SC, I'd probably vote you for terminal ridiculousness if I hadn't seen you do the same thing before in an ongoing. However, given my QUICK reread (i.e not my usual 2 hour in depth summary and thought analysis of doom), I actually have to say I finally agree with the alvinz case.vote alvinz. I can't add much, but he seems to be panicking and trying to make too little of your points against him. SC is of note but that same ongoing gives me a feeling he just sucks as town (no offense). Also of note is it seems skillit might be attempting to cover for alvinz, but that was just a quick impression."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Because I've both done it, and I'm used to claims being more dramaticHow is claiming what is essentially vanilla townie a lame claim?
It's a well explained wagon. A lot better than the Coug one was. It also didn't spring up quite as quickly. There's more discussion than "oooh...vote SC".
Why is this wagon not scummy, but the last one was? Your reasons against alvinz could also be applied to coug, so what is the distinction?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I saw very much what he did. It's also very consistant with his horrible meta, from when I've played with him. I'd be more concerned if he started playing well .
Ok, I don't get why people can't see what Coug did, rather than one dumb post"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I reexamined the opportunistic claim. That was hypocritical. Strike one. Second, if you read his posts, a lot of it is redirection to SC. He's panicking rather than defending himself. Of course, to be fair, Coug OMGUS'd every last person on his wagon. So, the defense point isn't as good, except that I know Coug's meta a little bit. Speed of wagon factors into this for me as well. Also, downplaying Goat's accusations is a bad way to respond to them. I think every case should be taken seriously and fought on a logical level, not just dismissed with nothing. IT does NOT look good for Alvinz.
What has alvinz done that was scummy, and worth a 5th vote when you were against wagoning on sc? I want to hear this from you specifically."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I however, didn't realize it was the fifth vote. However, I only vote when it's random time or I think someone is scum. Vote stands."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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forbiddanlight Blowfish
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I am now. You've added more evidence. You aren't DEFENDING your points, you are redirecting off them. Seriously, if you have a real defense other than your attackers are scum, please present it. If I did miss it, just quote it."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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forbiddanlight Blowfish
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You'll get better. When my first game is over, take a look at how horridly I played there. Heck, I still probably play bad town, just a lot better than that game. I'm being a bit harsh, I think. It's just my meta on you really isn't that favorable to your personal skill :S.
I'm not offended because it is the unfortunate truth. The one game on this site so far where I've won as town, I got lynched on Day 1. Also, the one game on this site so far I lived to the last day as town, I made the terrible mistake of being biased toward one of the players based on his play, and the last Mafioso got clean away from me without my ever suspecting him once. So yeah, I still have a long way to go.
It's interesting to note that, for reasons unknown to me, I've yet to be NK'd outside of Meat World. Obviously, this will change—even if I keep ongoing games out of this like I'm supposed to, given enough time it will happen anyway."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I'm still around. Having a little trouble getting into it. Can someone build a case on me to shoot down so I feel like I'm being loved?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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forbiddanlight Blowfish
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This. It's annoying. only FoS if you suspect someone.
Because if you FoS everyone, it is a meaningless action that shows nothing about who you actually suspect and why."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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For now, I favor alvinz as scum if either of them is. Goat revolt brought some good points up. Now, he might just be really good at making cases to seem town and alvinz is just naturally overdefensive, but I'm not leaning that way.OK, new question: What do you think of alvinz95 vs. Goatrevolt?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Overdefensive meaning he's attacking everything as a "defense". Reactionary would have been better.
Can you explain this? How can alvinz both be not defending his points and also be overdefensive?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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forbiddanlight Blowfish
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I think that I might have to get a meta on alvinz before I proceed with that. In support of this,
Personally, I believe that both acted scummy, but I am leaning toward SC for now because being a bad player doesn't change the fact that what he did was suspicious, and if you think it DOES excuse him, then you at the very least owe it to alvinz to consider it excusing him as well. Doing otherwise is inconsistent.unvote Alvinz
I'll see about the meta in a few hours cause I'm going to be busy shortly."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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In my opinion, they aren't, but cerb DOES have a point that since I've been clearing SC on a meta argument (well, not clearing, but not pressing), I should probably take a look at alvinz meta and see what that looks like.How are the cases on those two identical?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I think it's scummy because it's trying to look townie on two fronts. One, encouraging discussion by dropping back a wagon, and two, by looking willing to lynch a scummy person. But they are contradicting each other, especially when done in the same post.
How so?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Oh, what, so my eventually promised analysis doesn't have you jumping with joy? Or did I promise a meta read on alvinz? Ah well, how about I do both eventually? Either way, you don't give me any credit .
I anxiously await what Ghostwriter has to say. I also still want to see skillit take a stance on alvinz. He seems to be avoiding this issue like the plague."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Sorry, I started my summary, got through two players, and got bored out of my mind. I'll be continuing it on and off as I can. I did do a meta check on alvinz. He doesn't seem to be so tunnelly in other games, rather, he was more willing to look around. Of course, that was my first meta check on anyone and I might have looked at the wrong things. I think my vote will go back to alvinz, but I still want to finish my summary first."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Damn...this is hurting. I got like one more person done in my summary :S. I'll try to focus more on it today after I catch up my other games."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I'm almost done, but let me just say this. SKILLIT! CONCISENESS! YOU HAVE CAUSED ME TO LOSE THE WILL TO LIVE AT LEAST 5 TIMES IN MY ATTEMPT TO SUMMARIZE YOU. I'd be tempted to give you a tl;dr pass if I didn't realize how much (at least in earlier posts) of it was basically meaningless."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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It'll be up either later tonight or tomorrow. I'm having trouble motivating myself, and I hope like hell it's worth it."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Yay, I get attention. Alright, honestly, today was rather horrible for analysis. I kinda was on and off all day and couldn't get a good continuous run. I MIGHT be able to tomorrow, but I have a lot of work to do for money and stuff. Monday stands a high chance of analysis, or tomorrow if I give skillit a temporary tl;dr pass.At this point I'm waiting for FL's analysis, and for the lurkers to weigh in.
If things don't start picking up naturally, I'll start trying to generate additional discussion."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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That I can do now if you like. Well, except for you, I haven't written your summary to analyze yet. Basically, I have to write a one page paper, an answer to a discussion question, and then do some math homework sometime today which is why I'm not seeing a good prognosis on getting the analysis done today. Really, I should have buckled down and done it yesterday...this tends to happen though. Once I get down to doing the analysis, it's nice, it just takes me a few days to stick with it, lol.
But seriously, I'd like to know what she has to say about Goatrevolt, alvinz95, and me."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Alright, fine. This is the summary post. A lot of tl;dr detailing my perception of actions this game. I'm specifically focusing on Goat and alvinz for now, so I'll only post theirs at the moment.
Do say what you have about the other two people. Worry about the rest when you have time.
alvinz:Random vote Rage. Calls SC's vote on Rage (for the scum question) opportunistic, but has his vote stay on Rage. Thinks we are still in random stage, Rage defended well enough. (note, vote still on rage). Pouncing on something measly is opportunistic no matter the stage. Quizzes goat on voting motivations, saying he needs to lay off the random stage and that being so quick to want to lynch is scummy. (I see this as deflecting). Says SC is tagging on to goat. Finally unvotes. Accuses SC of OMGUS, says he's done discussing the random stage move. Asks why it matters that he confirmed his vote. Says skillit is good at this game, votes SC for not liking his defense and OMGUS. Says his vote isn't opportunistic, cites OMGUS, Bad defense, history of opportunistic voting, and lack of consistency. Says he hasn't dismissed goat's questions. Didn't say all random moves were dumb, detracts from SC discussion, which supposedly goat isn't attacking. Claims matter of opinion on real fake wagon. Claims goat is giving advice to SC. Says goat is lingering on downplayed facts, opportunistic isn't scummy, states goat is inconsistent, implies we should look for partners even before a flip. Says by downplay he meant resolve. Continues to argue it wasn't serious when he confirmed his vote. Restates Coug's scumtells, saying goat doesn't find those scummy, or not as scummy as the what are the scum named/opportunistic argument with Rage and alvinz. Gunning for SC's lynch. Responds to goat's saying that his buereaucratic way of counting scumtells is bad by saying goat's way of judging scumminess is fucked up. Accuses SC of distancing. Claims council member, thinks he'll be lynched, says that Goat and SC are scumbuddies by their interactions. Doesn't understand why we can't see what SC did. Says Goat is hypocritical saying he wasn't going for a lynch when now he clearly is. Restates goat's with Coug. Keeps his vote on Coug, says he'll be lynch today, and that Coug needs to be lynched tomorrow. Says that his view isn't wrong, and says that goat is saying we can't deduce from D1. (strawman). Asks what skillit's question is, saying skill is hypocritical because skill says that it's bad for him to say he wants to be lynched, and votes him.
GoatRevolt: Random votes SC, backs it up with signiture logic. Feels rage's question is too much trying to look like " I dunno the scum so I can't be scum", and votes Rage. Still wonders what the point of Rage's post was. Catches alvinz on saying Coug's vote was opportunistic, even though alvinz kept his vote on Rage. Counters alvinz claim that they were still in random stage, saying it's inconsistent calling SC's vote opportunistic. Also by pointing out his vote stands goes against alvinz belief we were still in random stage. Answers joon saying that he was pressuring alvinz, and you can pressure outside of random. Also, wait a sec means "Hold on, that's not right", not literally wait. Asks alvinz just how you get out or random stage. Claims to not be super eager to start lynching, says the Rage vote was to guage Rage's reaction, as well as the alvinz vote (for alvinz reaction), and that alvinz hasn't adequetely explained himself. The vote hop was logical because Rage at least explained himself (though he might not buy it), and alvinz was contradictory. Mostly wants discussion now. It's only page 2. His vote his both a push for scumminess and also a choice for lynching, but that takes place more so later game. Reiterates question for alvinz. Asks alvinz why he pointed out Coug being "opportunistic" if he wasn't being scummy. Also wonders why alvinz needed to say vote stands in random stage. Isn't done discussing random stage moves, the dismissal alvinz attempted being not pro town. Cites an old game, saying random stage can peg scum, and dismissing his concerns is not giving him good vibes on alvinz. Says it does matter, alvinz has been contradictory. Says people jumping on the Coug wagon isn't scummy, and Coug needs to stop OMGUSing, but doesn't feel Coug is the play based on meta. Says alvinz finally partially answered his question, says alvinz is still dismissive, and this is real discussion. Says alvinz is being more contradictory, says that alvinz is OMGUSing him for not attacking SC, and that he's trying to make connections before alignment reveals. Says Mini 601 and 604 show SC's meta and why he gets lynched. Says of course he's lingering on alvinz' downplays, because alvinz isn't addressing these concerns. Thinks alvinz is scummy, asks everyone about the famous opportunistic quote and confirm vote. Counters alvinz point that he's being contradictory because he goes with things that are scummy. There are places for FoS' and votes. Says that finding someone else scummy because they don't think someone you target is scummy is kind of OMGUS and also bad logic. Says that alvinz is saying that not buying alvinz explanation means that he's not buying anything. Also says it comes down to him finding alvinz contradictory comment to be serious, and alvinz defense is it was meaningless, despite it not seeming that way. Says alvinz is completely missing the point, that alvinz is essentially claiming that because alvinz scum list doesn't match goat's, goat is inconsistent, and this is bad logic. Says alvinz is measuring scumminess beureaucratically. Jokes about the L/A on forbiddan's part. Says skillit showed the bare bones of the story. Reiterates his case on alvinz. Says he wasn't being serious about the jokes about forbiddan at SC's FoS. Random phase != say whatever you want with no consequences phase. Saw what Coug did, says it doesn't make him scum. Wants to hear from lurkers, unsatisfied with alvinz response so kept his vote there. Wants to see a skillit stance. Wants Twigless to start posting. Explains why FoSing everyone is a bad move to SC. Asks how alvinz can be non defensive and overdefensive (to forbiddan). Asks how the cases on alvinz and SC are identical. Wants to see a stance from skillit, Ghost's views, and a prod on joon and Gojira. Saw skillit as avoiding a stance given his last three posts. Accuses skillit of fence sitting on alvinz. Wants replacements and lurkers to post, not many suspects other than alvinz. Says he misunderstood post 126 (skillit on alvinz). Says that alvinz is stupid to have us lynch SC after he dies, even if alvinz is town. Both could be town, it's not either/or. Says alvinz is missing the point, says that proving alvinz is pro town through lynch doesn't mean he's right. SC and alvinz alignments are unrelated. Votes skillit for going for an alvinz lynch because alvinz isn't useful town. Says that it's counterproductive to roll over for both sides."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Analysis post:
alvinz: I really hate what I see here. There's obvious deflection to SC, attempts to dismiss valid questions rather than answer them, strawmans some of goat's arguments. This is not good. I'm probably going to vote him when I've fully finished my analysis (I don't want to tunnel and completely miss someone being scummier).
GoatRevolt: He is a little dismissive of SC (well guess what, so am I), but so far he seems to be genuinely interested in finding scum. He quizzed Rage and got a somewhat satisfactory answer, moved to alvinz who started very evasive and still hasn't completely answered everything I don't think. Honestly, I lean heavy town here. The problem is Goat is pretty good at seeming town, so I'll definitely be doing my best to keep a running summary of him in my notes and see if I pick up anything weird.
More to come tonight or tomorrow ."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Because goat's been townie. I'm sure other people I see as townie will be "heavily favored". And, actually, several times you stated you downplayed his accusations, or otherwise tried to say you were done discussing them when you never even started.
3. Heavily favored Goat."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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forbiddanlight Blowfish
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Don't worry about it. I appreciate the chance to have a drop in the tl;drness . Oh, by the way, I'm actually getting the summaries done today. Yesterday was weird. Expect them between 2 and 7 hours from now (I have to cook dinner then go to choir practice in about 3 hours, so if it's not done then, it'll be a little longer)sorry for the drop in frequency, i was camping and long story short, im stuck in tacoma for a few days (i live on the other side of the state) ill try to get on when i get to an internet cafe or something"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Alright, summary portion complete. I'll post it now, but I have to make dinner. I'll do my analysis portion about 3-4 hours from now. (I also have choir)
alvinz: Random vote Rage. Calls SC's vote on Rage (for the scum question) opportunistic, but has his vote stay on Rage. Thinks we are still in random stage, Rage defended well enough. (note, vote still on rage). Pouncing on something measly is opportunistic no matter the stage. Quizzes goat on voting motivations, saying he needs to lay off the random stage and that being so quick to want to lynch is scummy. (I see this as deflecting). Says SC is tagging on to goat. Finally unvotes. Accuses SC of OMGUS, says he's done discussing the random stage move. Asks why it matters that he confirmed his vote. Says skillit is good at this game, votes SC for not liking his defense and OMGUS. Says his vote isn't opportunistic, cites OMGUS, Bad defense, history of opportunistic voting, and lack of consistency. Says he hasn't dismissed goat's questions. Didn't say all random moves were dumb, detracts from SC discussion, which supposedly goat isn't attacking. Claims matter of opinion on real fake wagon. Claims goat is giving advice to SC. Says goat is lingering on downplayed facts, opportunistic isn't scummy, states goat is inconsistent, implies we should look for partners even before a flip. Says by downplay he meant resolve. Continues to argue it wasn't serious when he confirmed his vote. Restates Coug's scumtells, saying goat doesn't find those scummy, or not as scummy as the what are the scum named/opportunistic argument with Rage and alvinz. Gunning for SC's lynch. Responds to goat's saying that his buereaucratic way of counting scumtells is bad by saying goat's way of judging scumminess is fucked up. Accuses SC of distancing. Claims council member, thinks he'll be lynched, says that Goat and SC are scumbuddies by their interactions. Doesn't understand why we can't see what SC did. Says Goat is hypocritical saying he wasn't going for a lynch when now he clearly is. Restates goat's with Coug. Keeps his vote on Coug, says he'll be lynch today, and that Coug needs to be lynched tomorrow. Says that his view isn't wrong, and says that goat is saying we can't deduce from D1. (strawman). Asks what skillit's question is, saying skill is hypocritical because skill says that it's bad for him to say he wants to be lynched, and votes him.
cerberus: random vote Skillit. "meh" towards Rage's trap, states wagons occur outside of random all the time, it's good for getting reads. Discusses his random vote, then says Joon's (third) vote on skillit was odd, especially for someone complaining the game was moving too fast. Wagon's coug, saying OMGUSing is a scum tell. Says SC calling votes on himself "opportunistic" is scummy because it seems to be an attempt to scare people off his wagon. Asks forbiddan what is scummy about the SC wagon. Asks GW if the new wagon on alvinz was any better, keeps vote on SC. Asks forbiddan why the alvinz wagon isn't scummy, but the SC one was. Also asks her why claiming vanilla is lame. Sick and tired of "opportunistic". Askes forbiddan what alvinz has specifically done as scummy. Calls skillit scummy for creating a false dilemma. Counters skillit again saying that the false dillema persists, and that being incorrect doesn't mean you are lying. Leans SC for which is scummier between him and alvinz, notes SC didn't answer his own question, but is still kinda even on both of them. Says alvinz is wanting to die because he wants to cut off discussion.
fobiddanlight: Votes the mod, unvotes mod, votes SC for voting her for voting the mod. Defends random wagons saying they often occur and lead nowhere. Unvotes cause random stage is over. Not voting, finds no one scummy, believes Rage. Says SC is being very OMGUSy which seems scummy, would vote him were it not for the existing wagon. FoS' SC. "You don't need to die for your reactions yet, but they are noted." Agrees that SC looks scummy, but the wagon looks scummier. Claims L/A, but rescinds it when her plans fall through. Says she'll get to looking at the cases now. Agrees with alvinz case, would vote SC for terminal ridiculousness if it didn't fit his meta. Feels skillit might be trying to cover for alvinz. Says alvinz vanilla claim is lame. Used to more dramatic claims, says alvinz wagon is better explained, slower, and has more substance than the SC wagon. Says she saw what Coug did, it was meta consistent, and would be more worried if he started playing well. Says the hypocritical claim, the attacking of SC (though SC did some scummy things), and downplaying Goat's case are all strikes against alvinz. Says she only votes when it's random or she thinks someone is scum. Let's her vote (5th on wagon) stand. Says that she's even more sure since alvinz continues claiming his attackers are scum. Says she's harsh on SC, but hopes he'll get better. Having trouble getting in the game, wants someone to build a case on her for her to shoot down. Agrees with goat that SC is annoying when he FoS' everyone. Answers SC saying that if either Goat or alvinz is scum, it's alvinz. Goat actually uses points, alvinz is just overdefensive. Explains overdefensive as attacking everyone. Reactionary would be a better word. Looks for a meta on alvinz, after unvoting him. Agrees the cases aren't identical, but says she should give alvinz the benefit of meta since she gave SC such. Sees veerus' view on Rage by explaining the way it looks is that he's going for two townie tells. Trying to lynch a scummy person, but trying to drop back a wagon for discussion. Talks about the summary analysis she's doing, says it's getting tough to stick with.
Ghostwriter: Agrees with Goat and forbiddan that the wagon on SC is scummy. The ease and the echoing of the same point made it scummy. Counter's Goat's advice to SC being scummy by saying he's seen it in both mafia and townies. asks alvinz why Goat would attack SC while being opposed to the wagon without seeing a change in meta. Wants goat to link to games where SC has been lynched for similar moves. Is here, can't really post much that day. Gets back in 2 days explaining absence, then says that he doesn't think alvinz is mafia, so much as annoying. Says if he wants SC and Goat to be looked at, push a case, don't settle for being lynched to try to prove a point.
GoatRevoltRandom votes SC, backs it up with signiture logic. Feels rage's question is too much trying to look like " I dunno the scum so I can't be scum", and votes Rage. Still wonders what the point of Rage's post was. Catches alvinz on saying Coug's vote was opportunistic, even though alvinz kept his vote on Rage. Counters alvinz claim that they were still in random stage, saying it's inconsistent calling SC's vote opportunistic. Also by pointing out his vote stands goes against alvinz belief we were still in random stage. Answers joon saying that he was pressuring alvinz, and you can pressure outside of random. Also, wait a sec means "Hold on, that's not right", not literally wait. Asks alvinz just how you get out or random stage. Claims to not be super eager to start lynching, says the Rage vote was to guage Rage's reaction, as well as the alvinz vote (for alvinz reaction), and that alvinz hasn't adequetely explained himself. The vote hop was logical because Rage at least explained himself (though he might not buy it), and alvinz was contradictory. Mostly wants discussion now. It's only page 2. His vote his both a push for scumminess and also a choice for lynching, but that takes place more so later game. Reiterates question for alvinz. Asks alvinz why he pointed out Coug being "opportunistic" if he wasn't being scummy. Also wonders why alvinz needed to say vote stands in random stage. Isn't done discussing random stage moves, the dismissal alvinz attempted being not pro town. Cites an old game, saying random stage can peg scum, and dismissing his concerns is not giving him good vibes on alvinz. Says it does matter, alvinz has been contradictory. Says people jumping on the Coug wagon isn't scummy, and Coug needs to stop OMGUSing, but doesn't feel Coug is the play based on meta. Says alvinz finally partially answered his question, says alvinz is still dismissive, and this is real discussion. Says alvinz is being more contradictory, says that alvinz is OMGUSing him for not attacking SC, and that he's trying to make connections before alignment reveals. Says Mini 601 and 604 show SC's meta and why he gets lynched. Says of course he's lingering on alvinz' downplays, because alvinz isn't addressing these concerns. Thinks alvinz is scummy, asks everyone about the famous opportunistic quote and confirm vote. Counters alvinz point that he's being contradictory because he goes with things that are scummy. There are places for FoS' and votes. Says that finding someone else scummy because they don't think someone you target is scummy is kind of OMGUS and also bad logic. Says that alvinz is saying that not buying alvinz explanation means that he's not buying anything. Also says it comes down to him finding alvinz contradictory comment to be serious, and alvinz defense is it was meaningless, despite it not seeming that way. Says alvinz is completely missing the point, that alvinz is essentially claiming that because alvinz scum list doesn't match goat's, goat is inconsistent, and this is bad logic. Says alvinz is measuring scumminess beureaucratically. Jokes about the L/A on forbiddan's part. Says skillit showed the bare bones of the story. Reiterates his case on alvinz. Says he wasn't being serious about the jokes about forbiddan at SC's FoS. Random phase != say whatever you want with no consequences phase. Saw what Coug did, says it doesn't make him scum. Wants to hear from lurkers, unsatisfied with alvinz response so kept his vote there. Wants to see a skillit stance. Wants Twigless to start posting. Explains why FoSing everyone is a bad move to SC. Asks how alvinz can be non defensive and overdefensive (to forbiddan). Asks how the cases on alvinz and SC are identical. Wants to see a stance from skillit, Ghost's views, and a prod on joon and Gojira. Saw skillit as avoiding a stance given his last three posts. Accuses skillit of fence sitting on alvinz. Wants replacements and lurkers to post, not many suspects other than alvinz. Says he misunderstood post 126 (skillit on alvinz). Says that alvinz is stupid to have us lynch SC after he dies, even if alvinz is town. Both could be town, it's not either/or. Says alvinz is missing the point, says that proving alvinz is pro town through lynch doesn't mean he's right. SC and alvinz alignments are unrelated. Votes skillit for going for an alvinz lynch because alvinz isn't useful town. Says that it's counterproductive to roll over for both sides.
Gojira: Random votes skillit, had PM issues (hence being late). Unvotes saying random stage is over, Rage feels noobish. Alvinz is a little too "agressive". 3 people random voting a wagon is unusual statistically. Says lots of post s in 12 hours, will process and post in morning (this was the 18th of July).
Joonster: Random votes skillit, meta's Rage's comment, FoS' saying he didn't ask what the scum were in another game where it wasn't revealed. Un FoS' Rage, thinks the game is moving fast. Asks goat if he wants alvinz lynched or pressued since they are out of random stage. Leans latter, also points out Goat says wait a lot, and is the fastest moving player in the game. Unvotes, says RL has been hectic. Didn't count votes on skillit before random voting him, says he votes for silly reasons. Will do reread tomorrow (This was on July 16).
Rage: Random votes Goat. Asks what the scum are called. States that it isn't given in the main post. Explains why Joon's meta was wrong, because the scum names were given in an offsite link. But, he was looking for a slip which his question, didn't get one, but noted the reactions. Unvotes, random stage over. Agrees with skillit on SC. Votes SC. Finds alvinz behavior odd. Asks him what the point of a random stage is except to look back on for clues? Doesn't find alvinz post meaningless, then says that he's in about 8 games, one he's modding, and will try to stay active. Fixes his last post about alvinz, saying he objects to alvinz avoiding goat, voted SC for pressure, and votes alvinz because he honestly suspects him. Dislikes alvinz trying to influence the lynch, asks if SC's FoS was to prevent something fishy from goat or his "weak sense of humor". Unvotes alvinz for discussion time. Argues alvinz claim that skillit is being hypocritical saying that nowhere did skillit say he wouldn't vote alvinz, and says alvinz should answer skillit's question.
skillit: Random vote joon. Asks joon for proof he's Jessica Alba. Knows that the random vote on him was a joke, but seriously asks what "quash the skillit uprising" means. Doesn't buy Rage's claim for scum fishing. Votes SC for tattling, following goat, pointing out forbiddan voted mod, and voting alvinz for hypocrisy. Wants to see SC justify himself, and that SC is going with the flow too much. Sc's accusation that skillit's post was fluff is too dismissive. Asks SC is looking into players he finds suspicious is anti town, doesn't understand why posting things he thinks are off about another player is wrong. Asks if SC thought skillit was going for a wagon or trying to provoke discussion. If SC REALLY thinks he his misrepresenting SC, then enlighten him as to how. Monologue on the difference between intentional and unintentional misrepresentation. Says SC has been light on reasonings, should be last person to accuse of a weak case. Counters SC wondering where he explained what of skillit's post was fluff other than tattling. Says he gets the impression SC doesn't want to talk about it and that's what perks his ears. He'd rather see SC delve into why it's weak rather than claim that and call it done. Says the tattling appeared to be with the intent to cause a modkill, and due to the brevity of SC's play they have to look at unvoiced motives. OMGUS isn't OMGUS when legitimate points are brought up, asks SC if SC thinks this isn't worth discussing and if it were someone else, would SC's answers have been sufficient? Unvotes SC, wanted to get things going, not end the day on page 3. Play by play on post 22 (famous opportunistic quote). Originally, he saw it as alvinz saying the vote hopping was preying on something proven weak and would not follow in vote hopping. It went beyond this when GR questioned alvinz comment, and alvinz responded with the random stage comment. Says GR stated that this didn't make sense, why confirm the vote. Quotes a few more things, then calls out Goat asking if Goat's point was that this was real discussion, and alvinz brushing it aside as non real is scummy. Responds to a comment on his post saying he only had time for a summary and it was a precursor to the actual post. Responds to another comment saying that the vote hopping was his impression of alvinz statement, not what might or might not have actually been meant. Claims that it's a false dichotomy to say that not vote hopping would have been to unvote. Says alvinz calling SC out on jumping on a weak wagon but not moving your vote off that wagon is not inconsistent. Makes some comparison between a belief being called wrong being ridiculous. Argues against the idea that he's avoiding the alvinz issue. Weighs in on alvinz, initially felt the alvinz seriously thought goat's concerns were unimportant, but now it looks like he's trying to make them LOOK unimportant and he's panicking. Also, trying to end the day early seems scummy from alvinz. Defines opportunistic vesus bandwagonning. Is fine being called wrong, but not that a simple induction is flawed logically when it isn't. (OMG, 5 posts left! I'm almost out! I no longer have to kill myself!) Says that he sees Goat's point about possibly skirting the issue, said he got sidetracked. His stance is alvinz is scummy, not necesarily scum. However, feels that higher vote numbers need to be increasing certainty. We hadn't heard from several players, so no rush to end the day. Also, wants to hear why alvinz wants the day over. Says he finds alvinz scummier than SC, though SC was scummy, and doesn't know if both are scum. Eventually they'll have to guess on "pretty sure". but we aren't there yet. Votes alvinz due to the asking to be lynched, which is desperate on both scum and town side. We either lynch an anti town townie or scum. Acting like this won't make SC or Goat look bad since alvinz is begging us to lynch him. Wants alvinz to answer his question. Supports alvinz lynch because he basically refused to answer a simple question among everything else. Says alvinz actions say "Drop it or lynch me".
StrangerCoug: Votes forbiddan for voting mod. Agrees with goat on rage. Says it's for the scum to know and everyone else to find out. Counters alvinz saying we found something to talk about. Asks if post 24 (about Rage's role in the other game) is legal, then rescinds the question saying he wasn't paying attention. Random stage ends when people vote for real reasons. The Rage votes ended random. FoS' alvinz for hypocrisy, unvotes rage. Believes goatrevolt, says it's too early to accuse people of tagging along. Says skillit's accusations are fluff, says he wasn't fishing for a modkill, votes Skillit. Says the reason skillit's post was fluff was because of legitimate misunderstandings. Says skillit is stretching the case on him for discussion. Says the tattling was incorrect representation. Says it's not OMGUS if the vote is for legit reasons. Thinks his reasons on skillit are legit. FoS' Rage for opportunistic voting. Says that if he FoS' for oppotunistic voting (Screw this, I'm gonna freaking abbreviate this OV). Anyway, FoS' for OV, alvinz should not have made another OV. Votes alvinz. HoS' cerberus for OVing. Reiterates the modkill point was fluff in skillit's case. Answers skillit, saying the case is worth discussing and skillit defended it well enough. Un FoS' skillit. Says he'd be willing to back himself up since he'd have the basic case if it were someone else. Feels his alvinz vote was legit, not OMGUS. Wants alv to explain why he had a "bad defense". Doesn't counter alvinz OV point saying so be it, not much to discuss page 3. Says he's not being inconsistent, that Rage only got an FoS and alvinz a vote because alvinz seemed to be ready to jump on the wagon with as weak a case as possible. HoS on cerb because cerb was being a brat about it. Counters goat saying once alvinz got on the wagon it was ridiculous. Applauds goat's thinking before acting on the meta. Points to his wiki for the meta. FoS' GR for lynch all liars on the GR/FL exchange. Argues alvinz distancing point saying that if alvinz would like to be lynched for not following through on plans IRL he can just speak up. Un FoS' GR saying he was making sure GR wasn't doing anything ridiculous. Agrees with FL that he's not that good a player. Says the FoS on GR was caused by a weak sense of humor and trying to prevent fishiness. Says he should throw and FoS at everyone for lurking. Only asked to get discussion going again. Asks about alvinz/GR. Says alvinz is scummy, GR isn't. Asks how rage's unvote was scummy (it was on someone with only 4 votes). Likes GW's case (though IIRC it was a case against lynching alvinz), and confirms vote on alvinz. Reiterates the points against the case on him. Wants to see forbiddan's analysis, a lot seems to get in forbiddan's way. Encourages forbiddan to release what she has on alvinz and goat. Mentions the panic OMGUS point and why it's bad again.
veerus: Random Vote Gojira. Questions the mini bandwagon during random stage. Votes alvinz on the idea that a defense saying he wasn't serious is weak, everything is serious in the game. Agrees the SC's meta is similar to his play this game. Disagrees with skillit, pointing out what was odd about what skillit thought. Also says the summary without actual thoughts is scummy. Thinks skillit's thinking is flawed. Says that by saying SC's vote was opportunistic, it was bandwagonish. Says that calling a vote opportunistic on a wagon and keeping your vote on that wagon is inconsistent and scummy. Calls out Rage's unvote saying that trying to promote discussion while someone is only at 4 votes is scummy. Reiterates his question for Rage about why he unvoted. Asks if Styro is implying GR is scum since SC has followed him around.
Have fun."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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You'd lose that bet. I recently became acquainted with the too townie argument . Also, I was kidding .
And yes, forbiddanlight, you should be worried when I start playing well. I bet you everything I own that players that look really, REALLY scummy are simply terrible townies and that players that look really, REALLY townie are really excellent scum.
Anyway, analysis tiem:
I already covered alvinz
cerberus: Pretty good play, willing to ask questions, sense motives, etc. Also willing to change his mind, as he started to get off SC as time went on and alvinz proved himself scummier, reaching his current view if I read it correctly that alvinz might be scum trying to end the day fast. I lean townie
forbiddanlight: First, I managed to spell my own name wrong :S. Second, I generally throw in this part of the summary for you all to analyze.
Ghostwriter: Good call on the SC wagon (but I'm biased). Not sure I like the call on alvinz as much. It seems to be slightly indicting him while trying to say it's not precisely pinning him as scum so much as annoying, and then advises him. I think Ghost warrents a closer look if alvinz turns up scum. Not saying that he's precisely scum if alvinz in scum, just that his actions look slightly...covering. Still, I do lean slightly town unless alvinz does turn up scum, and even then only would consider looking closer at him.
Already did Goat
Gojira: Hasn't been around enough to really analyze. He got replaced though, right? Either way, don't like how he flaked on his reread or whatever. Neutral due to not enough info.
Joonster: Same as Gojira. Neutral due to not enough info.
Rage: Early on, that seemed good actually. It's something I'd consider doing for slips. I mean, not perfect of course, and I can see the flip side of trying to distance from scummy knowledge. However, what I don't like is how readily he jumped on the SC wagon, and also that alvinz vote and then "OMG, we gotta discuss, alvinz is totally L-3" thing. He seems to be more going with the flow I think, and that's a bit scummy. Lean slight scum for now.
skillit: TOO MANY DAMN WORDS! AS I SAID BEFORE! CONCISENESS IS YOUR FRIEND! Moving on to the actual meat of your posts...or lack thereof. I mean, you have points in each post, but they very quickly devolve off that to some argument that sounds pretty but really has little to do with the actual game. At least that was my opinion. I don't know if you always do this, but personally, I'm feeling the skillit wagon. You post for the sake of posting for the most part. I sense scum.vote:skillit
StrangerCoug: 33 posts, most of them one line or less (Only SC can make posts less than a line ). But, as I said, the wagon on him was rather unfair, and his panic is actually rather justified given the short time frame. Given his meta, it's typical StrangerTown. Buuut...I still won't let him off on that. I lean very slight town with the right to change my mind if he starts seeming more scummy than usual.
veerus: Not enough of him, but what he does put out is solid. I like his observance of Rage's scummy move. Also the clashes with skillit gave me more material to base my thoughts that he is somewhat light on content and heavy on words. Honestly, I favor town on you. But post more, you are a good asset
There it is, enjoi."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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There's hasn't been much of interest to comment on. The SC wagon was a farce, and the alvinz debate has gotten alvinz in deeper and deeper trouble. I mean, I can't honestly post that much when everyone is saying what I'm thinking.
forbiddanlight: On my first read, I thought she was staying under the radar and I had a neutral read on her. Looking at her posts in isolation, she looks like a townie. Maybe her infrequent and short posts gave me the wrong impression."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Don't be an idiot. I was planning that for awhile. I just finally got the time to actually do everything. Can you REALLY say that skillit hasn't been scummy? I mean, if you posted walls of text every post that maybe have 1 paragraph relevent to the game, don't you think people would jump on you?Ok, just one more thing, I don't like how forbid jumps in after Goat and suddenly she now likes the Skillit 'wagon', tattling along. FoS:forbiddanlight
regarding my contents, well there's nothing that I can say except that SC is my prime target and I don't post long stuff like forbid thus so yeah."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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FoS: Skillit for wat Mega said (btw who u replacing?). but I think SC is today's lynch.
Furthermore...wtf is this?Ok, just one more thing, I don't like how forbid jumps in after Goat and suddenly she now likes the Skillit 'wagon', tattling along. FoS:forbiddanlight"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Seriously, please read some of his past games. Read the games he links in his wink, read the games that Goat linked. Read the thread! What are your thoughts on alvinz?you were 'planning' it? how would i know that. Like I said, I understand the case on Skillit that he posts alot of nothing but SC is scummy as hell, I don't understand how he could possibly be a townie."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I love how you completely missed my point. You pull an "I agree with mega, FoS Skillit"...then call ME out for doing that...even though I actually backed up my reasoning with much more than an I agree? Seriously, what are you trying? It's like the scumtell I once heard about...accuse others of doing what you yourself are doing.opps (on ur post 239), i meant u jumped in after mega, got confused, sry."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Not a good plan. If I'm scum you are being my buddy by proxy, effectively adding another scum vote. I'm not, but I hate it when people just say "Oh, I like your analysis, I think this makes it a lot easier". To be fair, I understand not being in the game, but I'd prefer you think for yourself. As for paragraph breaks, might be a good idea. That's more the summary part. I usually do actual feelings in a single paragraph.
I am having a really hard time caring what is happening in this game. I am just going to go off of forbidan's analysis (you should put more paragraph breaks in your analysis) and agree that skillit looks scummy. I really didn't like the whole false delimma he pushed on veerus. But I am going to wait for a vote count first."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Better than the last time I had to deal with people agreeing. Not the best, since I could have biased it, but still, it's better than I initially thought. (Seriously, in another ongoing, someone came in and said my summary and analysis would make scum hunting a lot easier...he got lambasted by a lot of people, including me). I mostly caution so I don't end up with a bunch of lazy townies is all. You SHOULD do a reread sometime, but I can understand coasting for now.I meant I was going off of your summary of the game so far. I don't want to do a re-read."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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L/A today. And I'll give you a hint alvinz, accusing everyone who might vote for you as scum isn't going to actually find scum. Ya see, aren't you in fact copying what SC did, in a more indirect way?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Rage, I don't know what I leaned on your before (I think slight town), but you are going a long way towards destroying that. What are you DOING? Policy lynches are horrid. If I didn't think skillit was scummier, I'd vote you right now, considering how it relates to your other moves. I gave you the benefit of the doubt cause I thought your first move was mildly clever and pro town overall. I can't do that anymore.HoS: Ragefor inconsistency, random movement on the alvinz issue, and overall non pro town behavior. I still see alvinz as possible scum, but Rage and skillit are definitely looking more to fit the bill."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Oh God...Styro wasn't Gimbo, was he? Geez, doesn't the guy know when to quit!? I still like my skillit vote, but would be fine switching to rage if he comes close to lynch. They both are rather scummy."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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There are 3 votes on Rage. It takes 7 to lynch. Do you honestly think, even if rage isn't scum, that the scum will just pop onto the wagon the minute he hits 4 votes? And that's assuming 3 scum. Seriously, if Rage isn't scum, I think the scum are already on the wagon."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I usually include that because I want people to see what I read. If I have a wrong summary of actions, my analysis would be off. Course, it's not required reading, and I try to tell people that. The analysis is the meat.Hint: the answer is, "something really funny"
Still rereading, but I've decided that I'll be doing individual analysis posts (like forbiddanlight, but without the giant spammy recap post before it)"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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We aren't going to get a claim. You can see that Rage is just trying to stretch the day by confusing us.
How about we don't hammer or do anything of the like until we extract a claim and make sure we want to end the day.
Given the recent comments I'm very willing to oblige. This isn't jester mafia.I'd prefer he not even get to L-1 until we're sure we're ready, especially given his recent comments."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I'm fine with waiting for your analysis. Never said I wasn't. I took specific issue with how your phrased given Rage's recent comments. I also disagree we are going to get a claim. I just want to hammer for once .FOS: forbiddanlight How could it possibly be protown to cut the day short with promised analysis on the way? At least let me go on record with my opinions, even if you don't care what they are (maybe because you already know what Rage's alignment is?). I'm not asking you to delay very long, and the odds are Rage will still be the lynch after I say what I want to say. I'm 1/6 of the way done, and you wont have to wait more than 24 hours, I promise."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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YAY! *walks around merrily with a hammer making knowing looks at Rage*OK, guys, I've only got SC and veerus left to analyze, but I'm going to put that off until later today since I should probably get some sleep tonight.
i.e., your (Rage's) defense sucks once again and that last part is clear redirecting. Or was that a defense?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Agreed...but since sthar is so intent on getting an analysis done, we shouldn't vote him dead yet .
If you are town, you aren't doing a good job of "exposing" those who are on your bandwagon. Your plan is counterproductive and I think at this point you should be lynched."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Which is, of course, why my analysis really wasn't scummy and has clear positions on everyone. And yes, I do rather hope people read the summary because it serves to remind people of the events that have taken place. If they don't want to read that then I assume they remember everything. It's rather convenient I think, and you can check other games I'm in to see I've done it this way. I think the noise argument is crap and you made more noise than I did with that last post. I don't trust you, and I'm sure as the game goes on we'll either see proof of actual intelligent play or we'll see your alignment isn't townie. (this to sthar)"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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To the first part, fine enough. You can still read it and draw your own conclusions. To the second, please do the PBPA so I can rebut or correct myself. To the third, I guess I might have done something similar, and will follow the lead of opening myself to questions.
Forbiddan: We can't trust your summary. I've seen no proof that you are either objective or cleared.
Also, if you'd like, I can do a full PBPA on you and show exactly how much of your posting has been irrelevant fluff. I fail to see how my post can be considered as such, given that only four lines were not direct analysis or the results of that analysis. Or are you saying that my points are irrelevant or flawed? If that is the case, please point out how so I can rebut you or correct myself.
Everyone: I have committed a grave sin. In my haste to get my analysis up and posted, I neglected to include the proper amount of evidence and samples, even though I criticized FL for the same. I apologize, and I'd be happy to answer any questions about my post to prove that each point is based on evidence.
Actually, Megatheory had barely replaced in by the time I did the analysis. He hadn't said much (probably a post or two) before I had posted anything. I didn't have much to analyze. Now, as for my analysis taking forever, as much as I often deny, I have a life. I honestly thought that the times I was giving were accurate, and didn't account for several things, not the least of which being random life events. Also, I didn't anticipate as much, ah, what's the second most popular phrase today? Signal to noise from skillit. I honestly think if you were to lynch skillit, you'll find him to be scum. I also lean that way on rage, which is why I'm relatively compliant with the idea of his lynch.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. FL spent a good portion of this day (and 10 days in real time) saying that she'll do a summary on everyone without really saying anything concrete in the process. Then in her analysis, she claims she'll likely vote alvinz only to vote skillit when she gets to him in her analysis. But that vote was well explained, so it's only a minor inconsistency. Her reply to sthar8's analysis post was basically "OMGUS, my post is better than your post". Not cool. In fact, you said that he made more noise with his post than you did. I disagree. He had to hastily go through the thread and post his analysis of the first three weeks of play, which he did within three days, while it took you nearly two weeks to do the same when the game could've been better served by your better analysis throughout the day instead. Also, and I just noticed this, you completely left Megatheory off your summary and analysis. Whether on purpose or not is yet to be determined, but the fact is, it's not there and such a blatant omission puts the quality of everything you said under question.
Now, I admit my counter to your analysis was OMGUSy, and probably not very fair, sthar. I was under...a bit of stress at the time due to other events. I still say that I agree with goat that you are hiding some things in the way you accuse everyone, but I do withdraw any accusations on your alignment so far."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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I suppose that's one way to do it. I personally don't see any reason to omit anything because town tells are important too. Not as important as scum tells, but still there. If someone's town tells make them look like a power role, obviously the scum are going to pick this up without assistance. I personally see it as a benefit to balance pro town and anti town tells, at least for myself.
Forbiddanlight: I'll get started on the PBPA right away.
It may seem that I'm accusing everyone because, other than remarking on the strength of each player's reasoning, I omitted most of the town tells. I did this in order to avoid pointing out possible PRs or other good targets to scum."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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