oh, i meant the fact that we had three pretty evenly divided wagons.In post 4124, osuka wrote:in which wagon?In post 4104, Ydrasse wrote:so looking at this vc there like. has to be scum between these three right?
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if they're town i don't know what they're doing right now.In post 4155, shellyc wrote:@Ydrasse do you think joyed is town. if so, who would you want them to shoot
daddyposters should be shot on site.
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no one went for my little bob case like 2k posts ago and yet here we are huh.
uh, fmpov i feel it's plausible scum!plus thought somehow that the claim would get a nightkill or something and then decided to walk it back when the votes started piling up. like, didn't actually expect anything to happen from it? and there really is only one thing you can do in that case and retract it, yeah?-
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without looking at past content and staring at these little votes, i feel not so great about ndmath; on the d1 wagon to elim iv, off wagon d2 to vote bob and then... off wagon d3, again, but this time voting with bob on osuka?
osuka has ended two days now with a vote parked on shellyc, the only exception being d1 where he voted iv. i'm not reading back to see the circumstances of the vote itself but it i don't really know why osuka wouldn't want to be on the kerset wagon if they were teamed? i'll have to Reread for this one but i guess it could be tunneling in on shelly..??
if shelly is scum, she's been committed to bussing for a bit now given that she ended d1 with a vote still on kerset. i don't feel bad about that though, particularly? like off the top of my head it doesn't really feel like a red flag should be waving off of this.
plus has been on every major wagon by the end of the day, earlier in the case of the two town wagons than the kerset one (but also i think d2 went by pretty fast so it might've been a fact of not being around to vote until then? i'll check on this).
menalque + andres have always ended up voting the same person at eod, but i don't feel bad about this given that d1 was off iv, d2 was on scum and d3 was on bob. it doesn't seem like there's a ~scummy agenda~ or whatever, them teaming, by the pattern they're voting with and it reflects the fact that they've been pretty consistent in their trs on each other.-
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i'm going through things right now to see plus's votes and this is uh, 4/5 town preference. maybe 5 if ndmath isn't scum but i have Doubts (tm) about that right now. Much to think about.In post 2430, PlusJOYED wrote:
correct on where I would vote.In post 2423, Andresvmb wrote:@Menalque, @Ydrasse I want us to agree on a course of action. Menalque is obviously on Osuka, but I don’t know that this one gets through, and I do have a Negative Lena there, but I also want to re-read.
@IV I want some thoughts on what you would be willing to vote here. I see you very scattered and defensive (particularly after your “slip”, but I have been liking your takes so I want to see more of them). I know you said you wouldn’t post much until Wednesday, and you needed a break - all I want is a small list of players you would vote. That’s all.
I have a good sense of what some other players want to do. Saudade is almost death tunneling Kerset (but would also clearly vote for Osuka), and Bob is on Teacher (and defending Kerset given their Claim). Kerset is tunneling Teacher almost, after somewhat tunneling me. plusJOYED’s 2325 makes it pretty clear where they would vote, which also includes Teacher.
@Kerset, how do you feel about my slot now?
@Tayl0r where are you? You seem to be vibing with plus after SR’ing there, which I don’t have any major objections to actually I’m still trying to figure out what to make of plus. Your vote is still on IV, and you appear to also be willing to vote Osuka. How do you feel about Teacher/Bob?
Nobody has taken me up on answering whether crumbing Doctor makes sense. Can somebody seriously comment on that?
Iv, teacher, or math is prefered for me, with preference for IV
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In post 2911, PlusJOYED wrote:God dammit you guys are playing right into IVs hands. Mena vs Osuka im pretty sure is TvT
peddit: agree on taylor tbhIn post 2912, PlusJOYED wrote:I don't think I can stop an Osuka elim today, just please go after IV when Osuka flips green, cause if mena is the d2 elim I think town is boned
mmmm.In post 2913, PlusJOYED wrote:I'd honestly prefer me to be elimed here over osuka-
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plus, can you explain why (in the moment, before this flipped) you thought this post could only come from scum?In post 3527, PlusJOYED wrote:
???In post 3512, Kerset wrote:cool saudade is dead and now i get instant L-2
You don't know how to make insightful NKA. We are talking here about saud, he is careless gamethrower. His existence was harmful to town and viging him would be worth it regardless of his alignment, so healing him was out of question. This guy misleads town to lynch his target regardless of circumstances to satisfy his ego. Hardclaimming bullshits is just one of throws typical for his behavior, he thinks that saying nonsense as town is 200IQ play, because thanks to his reputation he can get away with anything, once he rolls scum.
The most important information we got is scum lack of knowledge. Scum didn't know about his nature and took him seriously, which points at people with 2020 join date. Especially shelly, which periodically appears as more naive then she normally should be.
Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset
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don't deflect and answer my question. why did you think it was a scummy post.In post 4499, PlusJOYED wrote:ydrasse being relatively passive and going after LHF (me) especially after omgus, along with recent meta behavior I can now talk about (silent star 2) makes me think that the solve is either shelly/ydrasse or I'm probably never going to get it right. I think shelly swapping onto ydrasse for a bit was all scum theater, since it happened at a convenient time to make Ydrasse appear more towny to throw people off. This also lines up with saudes prediction.
furthermore, you keep saying that it's theatre; but what about it makes you think that it's theatre, content-wise?
p-edit: oh, i see now. it's the thing where like, mafia get so caught up in balancing everything else that they can't realize that thesingular post someone made saying they're cop, mafia please shoot me is ajoke.-
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combined with the venge claim and subsequently walking it back, trying to defend osuka/keep them from getting elimmed, taking potshots that feel weirdly informed at the end of d1.. you just have to be scum, like.
you keep using words this game, yeah? calling yourself lhf? throwing in that me and shelly are doing ~scum-theatre~? you're doing this shit and not explaining it, and when you do the explanations are so outlandish or flimsy that there's no way that they're real.-
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@andres/mena (if either of you are scum i will be mad at you): could i convince you to elim plus first over osuka? i think that plus/osuka is a viable team but i also think that plus/ndmath has some viability to it and i'm unsure if osuka has as high of a level of associatives going on rn!!-
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congratulations, you have just laid out some information on how a strategy works!In post 4508, PlusJOYED wrote:theater can be a lot of things, Ydrasse; it's not necessarily just emotive back and forth. The timing of the theater and the outcome + agenda it serves is critical.
A key trend in theater I've noticed is that it's intention is for one maf member to scumread the other maf member briefly, and the accused mafia member convinces the other maf that they are solidly town, which is exactly what happened.
now, again, i am asking you to go back to that exchange shelly and i had and tell me which posts you think are fake or theatre, instead of repeating over and over that you think it's theatre.
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like you are avoiding doing the ONE thing here that makes actual sense: going over the exchange that you think is Super Scummy Of Us Both and reading through it, pointing out how or why it might be fake, and instead just saying "it's theatre" with a dash of explaining what theatre is. lmao.-
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i am sitting here right now literally asking one thing of you. one thing that, from your pov, should be incriminating to me! i am sitting here asking you to post it and make a case against me! this is not walling you out. i am not defensive — i am asking you to do something that will let people in this game actually understand where your head is at instead of just saying words without meaning.In post 4511, PlusJOYED wrote:that serious defensiveness and decidingto wall me outmakes me more sure ur scum, you aren't even trying to defend yourself.
if shelly or ydrasse flip green, kill me tomorrow because we're screwed anyway
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okay, now tell me how we succeeded in that if you are sitting here right now having this conversation.In post 4513, PlusJOYED wrote:The wincon is throwing me off of ydrasse, and setting up chain elims with (me, bob, osuka)
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i am outraged because you're refusing to do something that should by all means be beneficial to you! how am i supposed to defend myself, anyways, against a case that you haven't even produced?In post 4516, PlusJOYED wrote:you have a tone of being defensive and are outraged but you're producing no arguments why you can't be scum, and instead trying to get me killed
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that doesn't make sense, because there hasn't been a point on this game where i've been threatened with a wagon. there was no need to prevent something that had no chance of forming. looking at the vote counts, i haven't even been voted since d1 — and even those were singular votes at the beginning of the day. no one has been trying to vote against me or really case me, so why would shelly need to defend me?In post 4518, PlusJOYED wrote:
shelly hopped on as soon as possible with the theater. It was to be triggered when anyone SR you, not revolved around me, and was to prevent a wagon forming on you.In post 4515, Ydrasse wrote:
okay, now tell me how we succeeded in that if you are sitting here right now having this conversation.In post 4513, PlusJOYED wrote:The wincon is throwing me off of ydrasse, and setting up chain elims with (me, bob, osuka)
also, tell me why shelly/ydrasse, as a team, decide to make their wincon centered aroundyou. only you, throwing you off our trail and no one else.
I'll make a wall of why it's Scuk theater soon im at work atm-
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and why would we decide to break the emergency glass at the first sign of a scumread, especially from you? you've had suspicion on you throughout this game and there was no momentum against me. do you think that we decide to fake an entire back and forth for however many pages at the first sign of anyone doubting us, which runs the risk of being seen as ingenuine?In post 4522, PlusJOYED wrote:
are you listening? I started to SR you, day 3 and then shelly initiated theater trying to convince me of Ydrasse town (which worked for a bit). It was to quash a wagon before it even started.In post 4521, Ydrasse wrote:
that doesn't make sense, because there hasn't been a point on this game where i've been threatened with a wagon. there was no need to prevent something that had no chance of forming. looking at the vote counts, i haven't even been voted since d1 — and even those were singular votes at the beginning of the day. no one has been trying to vote against me or really case me, so why would shelly need to defend me?In post 4518, PlusJOYED wrote:
shelly hopped on as soon as possible with the theater. It was to be triggered when anyone SR you, not revolved around me, and was to prevent a wagon forming on you.In post 4515, Ydrasse wrote:
okay, now tell me how we succeeded in that if you are sitting here right now having this conversation.In post 4513, PlusJOYED wrote:The wincon is throwing me off of ydrasse, and setting up chain elims with (me, bob, osuka)
also, tell me why shelly/ydrasse, as a team, decide to make their wincon centered aroundyou. only you, throwing you off our trail and no one else.
I'll make a wall of why it's Scuk theater soon im at work atm-
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*eyebrow raise*In post 4552, PlusJOYED wrote:
agreedIn post 4548, Andresvmb wrote:Yeah I mean that post by Osuka confirms it right. shellyc v. Osuka I think is not SvS. At least I doubt it Osuka was pushing shellyc before trying to compromise with the slot to potentially vote for Bob. One of them is surely Scum.
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In post 4570, Menalque wrote:
would I do that to youIn post 4509, Ydrasse wrote:(if either of you are scum i will be mad at you)-
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like instead of trying as hard as possible to like... give case/susses/etc etc it's sort of a "you guys won't listen so whatever :/" vibe which is anti-town at best (and if you are town, i'm sorry and i get how you feel but i also don't think you're town) and just scum trying to make us second-guess at worst.-
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ydrasse goes back to read over andres regarding bob.In post 4585, shellyc wrote:
explain this trajectory in more detailIn post 4536, Ydrasse wrote:for a second i was reading your posts from yesterday andres and i thought you were just straight up lying until i got to the end where you pivoted back to osuka.
...i trust you....
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okay?In post 4640, shellyc wrote:
yes but I actually fucking improve my town play and instead you scumread me for itIn post 4635, Ydrasse wrote:shelly, the point that osuka is making is that you said when you get townread, you're scum.
and that in this game, EVERYONE townreads you.
the point osuka is trying to make is simply that you said something that, by your own words, is more condemning than helpful; it incriminates you by virtue of your self-meta. it isn't a misrep, whether or not i townread you.
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shelly is not paired with plus.
shelly is not paired with osuka.
shelly is paired with ndmath?
plus is not paired with shelly.
plus is paired with osuka.
plus is paired with ndmath.
osuka is not paired with shelly.
osuka is maybe? paired with ndmath.
osuka is paired with plus.
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meeeeeh.In post 4652, shellyc wrote:
well then you agree that osuka is misrepping me because the world osuka is pushing is that its a scumslipIn post 4648, Ydrasse wrote:i don't really think it's a scumslip but neither is it a good look if you're looking at that singular post alone.
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mmm, i don't know if plus wants to push on shelly for the theatre thing as scum. i also recall thinking at some points earlier in the game that, between their interactions, it wasn't s/s. i'll try to find them later.In post 4662, osuka wrote:
why is shelly+plus not possible?In post 4656, Ydrasse wrote:shelly is not paired with plus.
shelly is not paired with osuka.
shelly is paired with ndmath?
plus is not paired with shelly.
plus is paired with osuka.
plus is paired with ndmath.
osuka is not paired with shelly.
osuka is maybe? paired with ndmath.
osuka is paired with plus.
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