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[shellyc]

VOTE: andresvmb

making sure you'll lose to me thrice

[shellyc]

Sup fam, it's ya uboi JacksonVirgo ready to spice this game up with an epic policy vote.

VOTE: shellyc

policy vote = bad
fakeclaim = bad

andres/jackson/koba gg

[shellyc]

Wrong and wrong. Ezpz

“wrong and wrong"
implies you know more than one of that is wrong
you have TMI

[shellyc]

Also where did fake-claim come from?

isnt daycop non normal or something
at least someone told me it wasnt

[shellyc]

im pretty sure its normal because im a daycop

claiming early = anti-town

btw, JV said to policy me, but said policy voting is wrong, contradiction

[shellyc]

i know

Tayl0r Swift is Aligned with the Mafia.

[shellyc]

Hello Infinity,

im taking over as mod for this game, your result is Tayl0r Swift is Aligned with the Mafia

[shellyc]

oh no i made a mod mistake that was supposed to be a pm sorry

[shellyc]

should i lock the thread backup mod

I just ruined this whole entire game

[shellyc]

TMI uwu

i'm the mod
ofc I have TMI

[shellyc]

Hello all. I can do maths. 2+1+7+3=13

Is this a soft?

why are you interested if that's a soft because that's role fishing (and very blatant as well)

[shellyc]

Also where did fake-claim come from?

isnt daycop non normal or something
at least someone told me it wasnt

this feels fake considering its an obvious joke

it was a joke about a joke tho

[shellyc]

im pretty sure its normal because im a daycop

claiming early = anti-town

btw, JV said to policy me, but said policy voting is wrong, contradiction

Ok like definitely scum vibes from this slot LMFAO

I know your claim is obvfake, but the second line is serious

[shellyc]

Shellyc is town.

scumdar beep: TMI'd scum

(serious) I'll have to hear the why to sort you though.

[shellyc]

VOTE: andresvmb

making sure you'll lose to me thrice

Are you admitting to being Scum now Shelly?

no but you're scum and im town

[shellyc]

as a former chat mafia player i find them extremely useful for finding a "baseline" read level to start out with. id still like to see where your general vibes are so i can get a sense where your head is at.

Pretty sure this is mostly just personality/playstyle but

taylor - townish
jackson - townish
shelly - townish
DGB - scummish
gerain - scummish
baltar - scummish
mark - townish

ok hmmmmmm

hot take infinity is scummy and koba is townie
koba is *proactively* solving and poking around, infinity is *reactionary* readslisting

[shellyc]

Shellyc is town.

scumdar beep: TMI'd scum

(serious) I'll have to hear the why to sort you though.

You seem way too chipper and excited about this game to have rolled scum!

nah

in fairness this tell doesn't work
i love playing scum neutral about playing town but plist looks good here

[shellyc]

what pings u about andres shelly?i dont think andres' playstyle inherently allows him to really spew alignment until later in the day phase so im wondering what exactly u are reading into about him thats scum

idk its hard to explain but tone is slightly different from my experiences + reads are kinda underdeveloped and seem thrown out

not the hugest ping tho

[shellyc]

shelly sounds v complacent here and the way they pivoted to hedginess after being questioned really pings me hard as scummy.

like they dont wanna step on toes early and are afraid to make solid reads because its early.

its something i myself notice in my own scumgames where I'm like "yeah thats true but like this can also be true" and like correcting someone about like a positive read on them to be like "yeah but it could be scummy". really dont like.

ok can you go meta me or something and come back

i don't want to "step on toes early" because i don't have TMI

i find what you say to basically be my town traits

[shellyc]

shelly sounds v complacent here and the way they pivoted to hedginess after being questioned really pings me hard as scummy.

like in fairness

i rather dislike playing town because its so boring

oh and also kobas projecting which is fallacious

[shellyc]

as a former chat mafia player i find them extremely useful for finding a "baseline" read level to start out with. id still like to see where your general vibes are so i can get a sense where your head is at.

Pretty sure this is mostly just personality/playstyle but

taylor - townish
jackson - townish
shelly - townish
DGB - scummish
gerain - scummish
baltar - scummish
mark - townish

ok hmmmmmm

hot take infinity is scummy and koba is townie
koba is *proactively* solving and poking around, infinity is *reactionary* readslisting

lol pocket attempt denied

I've got freedom to be liberal with my townreads, you can't deny that

re: playstyle vs. personality town early game is gonna be proactive to move the game out of RVS
which is another reason I TR koba

[shellyc]

VOTE: shelly those are nervous posts.

again go meta me and come back

why do you think nervousness is a scumtell

[shellyc]

not to sound arrogant i have 5 scum victories on this site and am confident and assertive at playing scum and the easiest way to catch scum!me is through confidence levels/TMI

nervousness is 10000000% a towntell for the account "shellyc"

[shellyc]

VOTE: zdenek the joke post when people had serious votes already isn’t great

like again this is weird from infinity its basically making something out of nothing (which could be said as shitpushing)
why is a joke post scummy

[shellyc]

beep beep damage control mode

koba confbiasing mode

what you're doing is scumreading me for... making TRs (as POCKETING) and making SRs (as DAMAGE CONTROL)

[shellyc]

yeah but how is a joke vote even AI

[shellyc]

not to sound arrogant i have 5 scum victories on this site and am confident and assertive at playing scum and the easiest way to catch scum!me is through confidence levels/TMI

nervousness is 10000000% a towntell for the account "shellyc"

"i would do the exact thing as scum everytime!! check my history becasuse i am good at scum but i would never change up my play! " - shellyc, sided with the mafia

do you think i would be capable of such a drastic playstyle change

[shellyc]

I'm informed that there's scum within Shelly, DKKoba and Infinity. Probably should out that rn

if you wanted to get a reaction out of me why would you do retract before i came back to this thread

[shellyc]

sounds fake and scummy considering whos in that set of 3

:c

Fine, it's not true

because koba SR'd you, you retracted?
isn't your main goal to get a reaction out of me
why would koba scumreading you detract from that

[shellyc]

meta is trash

Hmm interesting

You got a response to this Shelly?

no

but i was also rather hypocritical in that game and used meta to defend town!me

[shellyc]

sup whats the gerain wagon all about

catching up now

btw the andres SR was kinda a meme so UNVOTE: Andres

[shellyc]

There's pressure on shelley infinity and geraintm during the last three pages.
Shelley's been responding in what I think is slightly scumindicative for them.
I don't have a read on infinity.
Geraint hasn't given anything yet.

hmmmmm

i think this is a really consensus-y post and scummy

[shellyc]

the gerain wagon seems to be of someone whos low activity + made a weird maths thingy in rvs

don't get how that is scummy at all
this is a trash cw

[shellyc]

math isnt obvtown as either alignment but eh i feel like there's less proactiveness going on in that iso and sticking with the consensus

wanna VOTE: math for now

[shellyc]

TS giving out scumpoints like crazy is really shady and not like their usual town self who prefers to find town and poe at all

DGB seems rather town so far with the bold, unafraid to take stances play

[shellyc]

i want to vote in Jackson zdenek and math today

why jackson
explain that
im fine with zdenek tho

[shellyc]

263 is some interesting shade

122 is preflip assoc which is really scummy since your case is disintegrated if infinity is town

infinity/koba/DGB rather obvious town
for infinity (since I scumleaned there earlier) I think they're actively making new wagons and content which is protown, and the "passitivity" I pointed out earlier is prob personality rather than AI

[shellyc]

Has to do with the reaction to being called on their rxn test

yeah but i think JV is the type of player that overreacts to pressure

[shellyc]

This is not a townie mindset at all

JV do you like bussing

math calling VP town is ????????

[shellyc]

That's a strange question, I used to bus all the time but I've realised that me doing that leads to me losing all the time so I stopped doing as much where I can help it, sometimes old habits die hard though.

Why's that?

237 is scumslippy from the pov of having a nightkill and you're good scum and know to distance there imo

but eh. im too paranoid about you JV.

[shellyc]

i'll vote in {VP, math} atm

VPs 237 is close to a scumslip imo and math randomly town on VP + really consensus-y play without furthering the game

[shellyc]

Why do you think the discrediting comes from scum

Koba is too engaged and proactive to be scum at all

[shellyc]

Why do you think the discrediting comes from scum

Koba is too engaged and proactive to be scum at all

unless this is actually in kobas scumrange im impressed. their reads vibe with my own, they are trying to further the game and constantly providing content

[shellyc]

237 like. assumes koba will get nightkilled and is thinking from the pov of having a nightkill

im thinking. JV you usually have a "wow" factor as town and i dont really get that yet

[shellyc]

I don't think I ever said that it came from scum, but you thinking that "they're too active to be scum" is a case you shouldn't ever be making as scum comes in all shapes and flavours.

activeness =! proactiveness
JV you're WKing me as well. lol.

oh and VP shading all the active slots is ++scumpoints

[shellyc]

VOTE: jackson ill explain in a bit when i can type it up. I believe i hinted at this move earlier but i was hoping to see more info before i transitioned over

Has to do with the reaction to being called on their rxn test

Lackluster when they were insinuating they had a much bigger case on me when they don't.

(I thought I sent this)

do you think koba is *scummy* or just bad town

[shellyc]

im good town and they got caught

koba are you the type of person like me that sees one scummy thing -> tunnels forever

[shellyc]

koba take a look at VP's iso and tell me what you think btw

in the meantime im staying on the math wagon for now because i think pressuring math is one of the only ways to actually discern maths alignment as they're pretty lurky

[shellyc]

I encourage the wagon on me because it can only be scum driven. Shelly's buddies should get in on this!

Vote VP! See where that takes you in life.

VP, you've got to try a bit harder instead of just omgussing.

Your reads are basically "everyone that shades VP (i.e. infinity/shelly/jackson) are scum. And only because they shade VP, they are scum." These are undeveloped and lazy reads.

[shellyc]

VP you should go on the wiki and read some scumplay articles that you should never omgus as scum in the current site meta

[shellyc]

But i still dont trust u rn

paranoia, eh? I'll obvtown in no time, wait and see

[shellyc]

Gonna let infiinity/shelly/jackson keep scumming it up in this thread.

i dont just look at votes
s

[shellyc]

SEEMS LIKE UR FULL OF SHIT

personal attack vs. solving my alignment when I'm pushing you

hmmmmmm

[shellyc]

vp is town LOL
this is kinda funny but these are town posts LOL

why are they townposts tho

[shellyc]

Bad thing about no daytalk is that scum are just gonna spaghetti all over themselves trying to stop their buddies from eating a yeet.

Shelly, if you're town, I'd prolly stop trying to save geraintm bc it's going to look bad when he flips red

aren't you like, voting gerain...

[shellyc]

oh and preflip assoc #2

you're "saving" gerain yet confident in him flipping red which is weird

[shellyc]

I haven't felt pushed at all.

Spaghetti
Spaghetti
Spaghetti

HURT: VPBaltar
consider this a psuedo-vote

[shellyc]

oh wait i misunderstood that

you're telling me to stop saving gerain
gerain's iso is basically the same as all the other lurker isos, i completely don't get this cw at all
confidence in scumflip when we're 48 hours into d1 cant plausibly come from town imo

[shellyc]

ur confident in vp/math tho

my math vote is pressure-ish vote? and I've clearly explained the trajectories behind why i SR them, and vp hasn't done so

[shellyc]

You should vote him then and prove me wrong with a flip

info flipping is one of the easiest ways for scum to get free miselims

[shellyc]

Koba where are you? I think there’s some chance shellyc is Scum here hahaha

Andres you can never read me correctly

Projecting a confident tone is strictly nai

[shellyc]

I'm getting caught on his VP reaction. It seems like he decided VP was scummy/scumlean and then repeatedly adjusted his justification for it.

Why do you think that’s scummy though

[shellyc]

Btw, shelly and infinity, definitely am going to require you to explain why you chose to attack me over my geraintm vote while saying nothing about DGB's vote.

What made me more scummy than DGB?

DGB overall tone is really kinda laidback in a town way as town are getting a feel for the game in early game
And DGB is I afraid to go against the majority opinion which reads rather townie

[shellyc]

as a former chat mafia player i find them extremely useful for finding a "baseline" read level to start out with. id still like to see where your general vibes are so i can get a sense where your head is at.

Pretty sure this is mostly just personality/playstyle but

taylor - townish
jackson - townish
shelly - townish
DGB - scummish
gerain - scummish
baltar - scummish
mark - townish

ok hmmmmmm

hot take infinity is scummy and koba is townie
koba is *proactively* solving and poking around, infinity is *reactionary* readslisting

Okay I’m going to actually disagree with this. I think Infinity is Town. I don’t know about Koba yet. Those attempts at early reads lists are reasonably likely to come from Town in my view.

lmao hold up so... i literally outted an ealry reads list first. Are you trying to deliberately misrep me?
The more I read andres posts the less i trust him
Im removing him from my townleans for now. His insitence on preventing the shellyc wagon on the lowkey feels scummy

My disagreement was much more targeted at Shellyc and her take on Infinity. I openly said I wasn’t sure about you, which means I wasn’t as focused on that part of it. I also acknowledge that you did put out an early reads list, so that’s a positive.

I am away for 11 hours and 5 pages of worthless posts to read through on a weekend when I have limited access.
This is going to be a fun game....

I've played with a few people in this game before. If they could be bothered they could explain to the rest my limited posts so far. I'll rather let people talk themselves into a frenzy.

Can we just skip to day 2 already though?

If anybody wants to know why I’m voting where I am, all they have to do is read this post btw.

I agree with shelly actually, this wagon seems bad. This post is the only reason anyone has given for a gerain scumread, and it's pretty much NAI. (Like, early d1s can be frustrating and random, and you usually don't get scum).

UNVOTE:
VOTE: VP baltar

This is a better vote.

Yeah early D1s can be frustrating. Not going to disagree with that. But it’s the attitude that is more the problem, at least to me. If you don’t see anything that you find relevant to discern alignment, then you can just clearly state that you either don’t have any reads yet or maybe try and point to something useful or throw out a gut read. That moves the game forward.

out of the tons of people that aren’t giving AI content yet why are you picking out gerain

[shellyc]

Taylor where are you

Tryhard early posts followed by naked vote is definitely scum AI for Taylor
Town Taylor is more relaxed/less high effort

[shellyc]

well i blame random.org

You’re not even explaining your reasons to sr Jackson at all

[shellyc]

Tryhard early posts

Where has she done this?

Also what are your thoughts on andres?

Andres is hard to read and is not usually obvtown but nothing pinged hard in that iso

[shellyc]

Also, if not_mafia isn't going to play, we should just yeet them now

Policy all policyers

[shellyc]

shelly jackson and infinity?

At least one wrong

[shellyc]

jackson am i scummy or nah tho

Unsure, but I hate how you play.

Kobas relatively posted a lot tho so don’t get how you aren’t able to solve there

[shellyc]

JV town isn’t that fencesitty so eh?

Kinda liked Taylor’s response to me tho. Scum getting SRd know the person pushing them is right so there is less defiance to prove someone wrong

[shellyc]

Jackson do you have reads?

Yes.

Shelly/you town.
VP scum
Doesn't care: JV

Can you elaborate
WK attempt denied btw

[shellyc]

Why do you think VP is scum? He reads like really overconfident town to me.

What’s the difference between overconfident town vs scum though

[shellyc]

Jackson do you have reads?

Yes.

Shelly/you town.
VP scum
Doesn't care: JV

Can you elaborate
WK attempt denied btw

Fuck off with the WK bullshit

You filter out the AI question of asking you to explain on the reads
You TR me with no reasoning attached. How is that not a WK.

[shellyc]

I feel like a good bit of your game so far is telling other people why their scumhunting is wrong, and I hate it.

I hate it vs. Infinity is scum
Discrediting vs. Scumreading

there's a difference in that
if you dislike how infinity is playing, do you think they're bad town or scum

[shellyc]

/reveal as IC

reaction test, eh?

The standard Normal IC PM says the way to activate IC is by PM to the mod.

[shellyc]

INNOCENT CHILD

You are a

Town Innocent Child

You may PM the mod at any time to have him reveal your role to everyone in the game topic.
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Confirm by stating your role and alignment

[shellyc]

JV yare you like, really an IC and this isn't a reaction test

if this is not standard the role PM will tell you how to confirm

[shellyc]

My IC thing isn't real fyi

What was the reaction test even for?

Self-entertainment?

[shellyc]

If geraintm’s contributions don’t add up for me later in the game by all means. I just don’t get the point. There’s not even an attempt at reading other players. I will also say though that playing only based on the limited information that you get from votes and flips tends not to work for me.

ah, classic tstbs

Andres is your vote because I'm apparently really self confident when that's strictly NAI

[shellyc]

Let's change approaches. Tell me why shelly's play doesn't feel scummy to you. Her posting is pretty bad.

I still haven't heard much of the why here

I want to know whether you're shitpushing or being wrong

[shellyc]

I ctrl+f'd Baltar's ISO for shelly

whats in there is basically throwing shade at me, "this is a big turn around on shelly over some meta argument. ngl", "gonna let jackson/infinity/shelly keep scumming it up" without actually. articulating reasons. which is pretty indicative of overconfidence.

[shellyc]

TS, is infinity scum JUST because they have differing opinions than you? It's quite often that town have differing opinions and I don't get that in itself is enough to SR people?

@Mark why do you think naked "XYZ is scum/town" isn't furthering the game - they're opinions. Furthermore, some of the reads have actually been explained in further posts

[shellyc]

Marky what are your thoughts on the Jackson slot so far

[shellyc]

Jackson, what is the difference between confidence and discrediting?

Koba what makes you think JV is not shading you as scum? I can 100% see this as scum bravado

[shellyc]

Keeping a top-town status is pretty easy when you into the game. So being a top-poster means shit all. Giving top content D1 means shit all as the only people that actually know shit is mafia and that way they can semi-easily just control town who would know next to nothing.

They've been constantly discrediting those who disagree with them, whether that be directly or by constantly at everyone. I've started calling it out every time I see it

Posting is scum
Giving content is scum

this is a seriously wifomy take here

[shellyc]

Jackson hardcore omgussed koba with that

Jackson what's your read on math atm

marky seems to be doing things and solving but it just doesn't have that same tone as koba so I think not in locktown tier yet but a townlean

[shellyc]

Taylor you seem to be on the periphery of things. Like when this whole koba vs. shelly thing happened you started SRing infinity for reasons that you disagree with their takes, and when this whole koba vs. jackson thing happened you started pushing DGB

It doesn't sit well with me and seems like to avoid conflicts and do some poking in the less focused-on slots so you stay under the radar

[shellyc]

big eye emoji

Another reason why I'm currently town on Koba is their willingness to go into multiple conflicts/arguments which is basically committing political suicide as scum.

[shellyc]

Chat mafia means everyone is in the game, because it's in real time, but forum mafia sometimes people are absent because of timezones/busyness/RL things

[shellyc]

that iso is basically blank except for a few unexplained reads hmmmmmm

[shellyc]

my SR on baltar has been weakened btw, seems like there's a lot of aggression to oppose me but at the same time some space for re-consideration so its confidence that doesn't seem TMI'd? if that makes sense

zdenek says they don't like the look of andres and NOT scumreading andres which is rather shady

[shellyc]

I feel like y'all are reaching on zdenek

Do you think they're town with that ISO or just that the pushes are lazy/whatever

Lurking isn't the best tell but lurking isn't protown either

[shellyc]

Confidence is thinking you have the right reads
Discrediting is where you destroy someones rep so that nobody will listen to what people say.

I think I have a right SR on people and start pushing said person. Destroying reputation is a very similar thing to attacking someone?

[shellyc]

I see that it is a general opinion. One that I disagree with.

are you gunna stop at that
if you don't like the consensus then put in a fair share of effort to change it instead of complaining.

[shellyc]

I find it very difficult to read players on day 1 when all we have are a few votes. it is incredibly rare for someone to actually say something that is actually indicative of their alignment. so why waste so much effort on a fruitless chase?

if we all zero effort this the game will never be furthered. even the slightest push garners reactions.

I don't want to be professor of mafia but if we don't engage nothing will ever happen

[shellyc]

so theres at least one scum in {shelly, dkkoba} based on their buddy-buddy interactions. im leaning towards either shelly or both. i think theres probably two scum in {infinity, koba, shelly} but not all three. i could see all three scum being in {infinity, shellly, koba, gerain}

that all the high activity slots? LOL

[shellyc]

Fwiw, I also want to FOS DK. This has kinda been covered above, but the way she is playing is too far from the town's interests, even given her posting style.

DK comes from chat mafia (so do I), it's pretty much high activity/direct pressuring style. Is this "Anti-town" read, and are you willing to policy that slot?

[shellyc]

I actually agree with this. Andres is not feeling obvtown to me so far this game

yeah but andres isn't usually obvtown so...

I think I like marks effort so far

[shellyc]

Chat mafia? What site are u from

i used to play on EM a bit, I'm a mafia.gg player mainly

[shellyc]

Town: shelly, koba, VP, mark, jackson

so you think this game has been one massive town vs town conflict so far lmao.

[shellyc]

Yep and scum are lurking with their popcorn lol

ok please wagon math with me

VOTE: NDMATH

[shellyc]

The game I played with Andres he became obvtown day 2 on, and based off what other people are saying that's the norm for town!andre.

it was because of a TPR claim

[shellyc]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: math

balt what is the progression on me? If you SR'd me do you think I bussed by starting that wagon?

nah its not hammer yet

[shellyc]

hmm what in those math posts makes math scum all of a sudden? because i see them as largely NAI fluffposts. the one serious post was fence-sitty but mostly in a "im not gonna generate any content at all" way.

their complete failure in engaging with the game, and its not in a town way like gerain who is obviously too scummy to be scum, and the fluffposting isn't helping us and they're being dead weight.

[shellyc]

feels like scum might be determining whether to angle me or try to use my reads to push stuff idk im paranoid. like idk if theres an effort to use the most active player to drive the game bc im easily pocketed like feels like theres planning from scumchat going on rn

What's giving you the impression that scum are already thinking/talking about that at page 4?

ndmath how do u read the last 3 pages?

There's pressure on shelley infinity and geraintm during the last three pages.
Shelley's been responding in what I think is slightly scumindicative for them.
I don't have a read on infinity.
Geraint hasn't given anything yet.

Also Jackson's fake claim is interested, but probably nai.

i'll vote in {VP, math} atm

VPs 237 is close to a scumslip imo and math randomly town on VP + really consensus-y play without furthering the game

This sounds like any read I make you're gonna call scummy.

Of what we've had so far, Infinity sticks out as a TR for generally solid analysis in their posts.

I'm getting caught on his VP reaction. It seems like he decided VP was scummy/scumlean and then repeatedly adjusted his justification for it.

they shitposted a lot then started "solving" with infinity scum because they apparently changed their justification. and they scumread me for basically doing same thing as my scumgame despite never playing with town!me.

which are weak ways to read people and making a big deal out of nothing, providing the fuel for more tvt conflicts

[shellyc]

ok but other slots are the same. they arent getting flashwagoned. and math lurks all the time. why is this time different?

math is making a "read" on infinity and me, yet nullbinning the whole other playerlist, and not trying to push a wagon on me/infinity. Like they're voting there but seemingly they don't want the rest of town to vote there, which is scummy.

[shellyc]

i feel like there are better options

Really? DGB is busy. gerain doesn't like D1s. not_mafia is not_mafia. zdenek is catching up. Math is a good slot to pressure atm.

ok explain why math is scum then pls

do you think your vote should always be on the scummiet person

DGB is town imo. busy town make naked votes and reads and that's pretty indicative of it.

[shellyc]

*always be on the scummiest person

taylor you also didn't respond to my lines here I said math is scum.

[shellyc]

where I explained why math is scum and just binned it as "slightly town!AI" for no reason

andres why do you think a flashwagon doesn't catch scum? this is garnering multiple reactions

[shellyc]

ok but other slots are the same. they arent getting flashwagoned. and math lurks all the time. why is this time different?

math is making a "read" on infinity and me, yet nullbinning the whole other playerlist, and not trying to push a wagon on me/infinity. Like they're voting there but seemingly they don't want the rest of town to vote there, which is scummy.

feels like scum might be determining whether to angle me or try to use my reads to push stuff idk im paranoid. like idk if theres an effort to use the most active player to drive the game bc im easily pocketed like feels like theres planning from scumchat going on rn

What's giving you the impression that scum are already thinking/talking about that at page 4?

ndmath how do u read the last 3 pages?

There's pressure on shelley infinity and geraintm during the last three pages.
Shelley's been responding in what I think is slightly scumindicative for them.
I don't have a read on infinity.
Geraint hasn't given anything yet.

Also Jackson's fake claim is interested, but probably nai.

i'll vote in {VP, math} atm

VPs 237 is close to a scumslip imo and math randomly town on VP + really consensus-y play without furthering the game

This sounds like any read I make you're gonna call scummy.

Of what we've had so far, Infinity sticks out as a TR for generally solid analysis in their posts.

I'm getting caught on his VP reaction. It seems like he decided VP was scummy/scumlean and then repeatedly adjusted his justification for it.

they shitposted a lot then started "solving" with infinity scum because they apparently changed their justification. and they scumread me for basically doing same thing as my scumgame despite never playing with town!me.

which are weak ways to read people and making a big deal out of nothing, providing the fuel for more tvt conflicts

[shellyc]

DK explaining what misrep means != explaining what I said that she believes to be a misrep. I've pursued this fairly doggedly, because I'm not a fan of people just flinging stuff to see what sticks without having to justify themselves, but I realise I am in danger of missing stuff in the wider game by trying to chase down dkisms at this point.

wait mark do you SR koba or just dislike their playstyle