Mini 665: Day 1 - Abandoned

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hey i get first post!!

Vote: Chapter 5

since you are below me on the list.

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Y.C. im gonna be honest... i don't get it. lol

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snufkin thats some nice scum hunting there! i was hoping no one would notice i was having a birthday, but that obviously makes me scum now!! just playing.

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well i feel bad for voting for someone who hasn't responded, which i didn't realize when i first voted, so i will

unvote and Vote: Fisherofmen

cuz i like your name as well.

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awesome, welcome Sineish.

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the mass role claim could in no way help the town, unless scum claim. then it would become very easy. but the way it is, its anti-town. don't like the idea fishersofmen can you please explain.

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yeah if its lylo or close to then i think mass claim is a good idea. in random voting stage... terrible idea. my vote went from random to serious on FOM

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unvote vote: fisherofmen

echoing the sentiments of several others i do not like the mass role claim idea. ill put a little more pressure on him to hopefully speak up and explain himself. was this just a scum move or was it really a newbie move just trying to get reads on everyone?

i don't like this post. lets think about if he is newb scum. now you just gave him a way to talk himself out of it by saying hes just a newbie trying to get reads on everyone. and i also don't like that you say your vote is just for pressure. they aren't supposed to know ahead of time that you don't intend to lynch, just pressure a little bit to see how he reacts.

sounds like scum trying to coach a newb scum screw up. you vote to put pressure on him, although because of what you wrote it shouldn't put that much pressure on him. and now by voting you don't stick out as the one who defended him, yet at the same time you give him an excuse to talk himself out of it.

if you really are town you don't want to tell him that its only a pressure vote and that when he explains his logic then you will unvote, you want to say something to the effect that you really suspect him.

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EBWOP: this should have been in my last post, but....

FOS thegeckoj

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Y.C i also agree with you, however i was going to see if anyone else jumped on the bandwagon and just get them all together. kinda like just playing it like we don't care and let the scum hang themselves.

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how is that scummy? please explain? where are the logic flaws in my argument?

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how exactly have i been "cuddling- up" to Y.C. because i had also thought of what he said i am cuddling? maybe it is actually a good argument when multiple people all think of it.

georgi- why do you keep making craplogic accusations about me and yet you can't even answer the questions you have been asked?

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Ok I'm back,
First: I was using the idea of a mass-claim to see how people would react, and to get the game out of the random stage.

Second: My scumhunting looks like newbie/scum moves when really they are pure genus

as I just got a page of good reading out of one sentence.

Third:I don't think that mass-claims are a good idea at all until lylo.

Um if I missed anything let me know.

this defense does not sit well with me at all. what kind of reactions did you honestly think you would get? no mafia would be stupid enough to agree with you and push the issue that we should mass role claim.

if you wanted to get the game moving along and out of RVS then there are plenty of things you could have done, that didn't involve bringing up roles. it in no way at all could help the town.

Bolded: okay, im going to pretend for the next few minutes that you really are just a newbie townie trying to get reactions. so please help out the town and fill us in on all the information you gathered from it.

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until the last post by sineish i actually thought georgi's vote was on me and that he unvoted because he just OMGUS'ed me. but now im really confused. how did you OMGUS fisherofmen and why did you unvote? did you accept his excuse?

also sineish why did you vote for FOM?

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georgi, i don't like that you think my rate of posting makes me scummy. please point out which one of my posts is anti town in any way, or how i have hindered the town in any way. its quality not quantity. if you want to think im scum, go ahead, but base it on a reason other than i post too much.

and honestly i post alot because i have a lot of down time between classes and stuff, so i am always playing on my laptop, and since this is one of the few sites i go to online its almost always up. so im here to reply as soon as someone posts. you can read my meta and see that i like to post a lot in every game im in, and they are all town meta's. so with me that isn't a scum tell.

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okay i miss understood, i thought you was serious about suspecting me because i post alot. and i wasn't getting "all pissy" i just think if you are going to vote someone atleast put a little effort behind it and make a decent case.

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okay i missed the post where you said random, howeever it sure doesn't sound random to me. and why do you not find FOM play scummy, and yet you find me scummier?

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im up to 16 posts now, prolly deserve to votes!

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georgi seems to be backpedaling a lot under pressure.
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nvote FOM, Vote Georgi

. why don't you try to defend youself instead of just backing off so quick. you have backed down a couple times now when people questioned your reasons behind doing something.

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how did i wait for it to gain speed, it doesn't have but 2 or 3 votes. this early in the game, my vote prolly won't stay there long. i didn't like how he has been acting so i thought a little more pressure might help the situation. im still suspicious of FOM and if any of he next posts at all seem the slightest bit scummy then my vote will be right back.

and you are going to complain about me "jumping on a bandwagon", yet you did the same thing with me since i think i have the most votes right now.

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umm... i put him at L-2 btw. if it was L-1 i wouldn't have switched with that reasoning. i just found it strange that everytime he has been questioned he has seemed to agree and back down, instead of standing up for his argument, which seems scummy to me. the reason i said it was a pressure vote was because my wagon is as high as his is and i was getting jumped on about it, so it seemed the best move to explain it. but can you please explain what exactly i did scummy? and there may not be one or 2 scum on that wagon, he might be scum. that sounds like a scum move to try and get the town to focus on the people on the wagon and not on you right now.

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Unvote, Vote: afatchic

Waited with voting on the georgi wagon until it got some speed. I'd say there are about 1-2 scum on that wagon.

this is what i am talking about, i didn't mean for it to sound like i was addressing you about it. but to me it sounds like he could easily be scum, knowing no scum are on the wagon, saying hey look at that wagon there must be scum on it, and then let the town focus and pressure those people. while the scum could play in the shadows D1 if that was the case.

and when i voted i thought i was puting it at L-3, because i didn't realize you put your vote back on him. so thats why i wasn't that worried about it. however im not pulling my vote off right away either, because i do think he needs to improve his play, or start playing to where it is beneficial to the town. and im not trying to downplay it as pressure. this is one of the hardest things, pressure voting. if you vote and then say its only a pressure vote, it defeats the purpose, however if you don't then get called out on it later and say its a pressure vote it sounds like a cop out, but mine really was just for pressure since i didn't realize the wagon had that many votes.

and i do agree with you that we should take it slow and not rush a lynch on D1, so that we will have plenty of info to go on into D2 and 3.

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which is what i was doing till i got jumped on for it. i didn't initially say this is only a pressure vote, i explained it once people yelled scum.

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Rage, if you are too vote his i believe it will put it al L-1, so please be sure to bold or something that the wagon is at L-1 if you do decide to vote so that we have no accidental lynches. ill go back and check real quick.

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nevermind, i forgot kurbio unvoted, so you would only put him at L-2.

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well you can start by explaining why you have backed off of your cases so easily, instead of standing up for them.

and thats sineish for pointing out that i actually gave a reason for voting georgi, which seems to have been forgotten when accusing me of bandwaggoning.

and georgi there is never a reason to just take yourself out of the game like that. if you are scum, its quite obvious why you wouldn't. but if you are town drag your feet and stall it as much as you can and see how everyone react so we can have better ideas about everyone despite what you turn out to be.

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well you can start by explaining why you have backed off of your cases so easily, instead of standing up for them.

Is this directed at me, or..?

no sorry i should have put a name on that, it was directed at this.

were there something substantive to "defend" against i suppose i would but, as things stand now with subjectivity ruling the day, i've said all that i have to say.

however verbal if you seem to think you have backed off a few cases just to make people happy you are more than welcome to explain and then point me at the posts where you did that as i may have missed them.

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yeah sorry for the confusion. are you talking about backing off when you were questioned for not putting your vote back on georgi? i wouldn't consider that backing off as i thought you defended yourself well. so what do you think of georgi and FOM? which one do you find scummiest at this point and why. also where did FOM disappear to?

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snufikin how did i rehash what had already been said? he backed off yet again in post 90, which was the one i was talking about when i posted my vote in post 91. there were no posts in between the two, so has was i taking what other people had said?

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where did georgi go? i was hoping he would make an attempt at defending himself. and where has FisherofMen disappeared to? its been over a week since his last post.

Mod can you prod anyone who qualifies.

also i will be V/La friday- monday

. i will try to alteast get in one post a day.

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yeah i actually think i have replace our mod in a dif. game

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what roles did everyone have? i was a vanilla townie...

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Doctor, damnit!

after one of your posts i thought you was either PR or scum, but wasn't sure. ill try to go back and find them when i get a chance.

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dang do we have any scum? lol. i don't think FOM is actually mafia, i think he may have had a PR though. but i still think Georgi was scum. maybe chaz as well.

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yup, I was a goon. Just how obvious was I? I'll let the others decide if they want to come out or not.

kinda thought so, but i didn't feel like leaving georgi alone.

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yup, I was a goon. Just how obvious was I? I'll let the others decide if they want to come out or not.

not real obvious, just had that feeling about ya, but there really wasn't enough at this point to try a case against you. if WOU was one then claim for him because he has been V/La and had to be replaced in the other games i am in with him.

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to all the townies-- who does everyone think the other two scum are? im guessing georgi and snufkin. however i was always unsure about WOU

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yup, I was a goon. Just how obvious was I? I'll let the others decide if they want to come out or not.

will you come out and tell us who the others are? doesn't seem like they intend to reply on here.