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Vote: forbiddanlightfor random voting the mod.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Goatrevolt pretty much said it.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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If you're asking what I think you're asking, that's for the scum to know and for the rest of us to find out.Rage wrote:Hey guys, nowhere in the main post (or the posts with story in them for that matter) does it say what the name of Scum is in this game.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Hey, at least we found something to talk about.alvinz95 wrote:This to me is opportunistic. But anyway, vote stays.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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@Mod: Is post #24 okay? I doubt the legality of mentioning the contents of the role PM besides to roleclaim.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Damn it, I'm not paying attention ><STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I was merely stating we are still in the random stage.alvinz95 wrote:Wait a second here. You're accusing StrangerCoug's vote of being opportunistic, but then you keep your random vote on Rage without any explanation. Is that not even more opportunistic?
Really, I don't see anything that bad in what he said, and he defended it well enough.[/quote]
In my book, the random voting stage stops once people start voting people for real reasons. I think the two votes on Rage for the scum question (three if we count leaving your random vote on him) have put that stage to an end.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Quote boxes fixed.alvinz95 wrote:
I was merely stating we are still in the random stage.Goatrevolt wrote:Wait a second here. You're accusing StrangerCoug's vote of being opportunistic, but then you keep your random vote on Rage without any explanation. Is that not even more opportunistic?
Really, I don't see anything that bad in what he said, and he defended it well enough.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Unvote: Ragefor his hypocrisy, but I don't think what he did warrants a vote yet.
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I believe Goatrevolt at this time, if that's what you're saying. We only have one or two leads at the moment, so it's a little early to accuse somebody of following another person around.alvinz95 wrote:
Seriously, are you with Goatrevolt? You follow him whatever he does. You did not note of my "hypocrisy" until Goatrevolt said it. You tagged on to Goatrevolt after he accused rage.StrangerCoug wrote:Unvote: Ragefor his hypocrisy, but I don't think what he did warrants a vote yet.
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A good part of this is fluff. I was concerned about Rage's #24 because I'm a picky son of a bitch, but I voted himSkillit wrote:StrangerCoug's post here here reminded me of a tattle'ing lil bother (who might have been actually fishing for a modkill when he thought Rage was quoting his role PM). It was really either tattling or he didn’t trust the mod, but still I felt like, OUR job isn’t really to police others posts, but to interpret them for scumminess, we aren’t the referees - are we?
Anyway, this coupled with him being the first one to point out forbiddanlight had voted mod (circumstantial evidence I know), following Goat blindly-or at the very least voting withput botherng to add anything or even summ up why he was voting- back in post 17 and voting alvinz95 just "for hypocrisy" (really just seems a lil light on reasoning to me)
so in shortbecause I don’t like people just going w/ the flow, I don’t like people tattle’ing (I had enough growing up), I'd like you to go more into your justifications and reasoning so they can later be assessed, and I don’t like scummy opportunism - it may be a lil early to just accuse someone of following someone around, but your answer to Alvinz was kind of dismissive to his point, possibly because HIS point was only briefly articulated, much like your posts. maybe brevity is just my personal nemesis, but I think you can pursue the same lead as another person without merely parroting back what they said, or summing up someone's points in as few words as possible as you seem to love to do.unvote:JoonsterVote: StrangerCougBEFOREhe made that post, and I knew for a fact that he didn't quote his role PM. My concern was if you could mention its contents at all outside of roleclaiming, and the mod said the post was OK. I was not "fishing for a modkill", as you said I was trying to do.
Just because I'm a tattletale does not mean I'm scum, either.
Unvote: Ragefor his weak case and misrepresenting me.
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I explained what I said was fluff and why I thought so. Rage had a legitimate misunderstanding of how the game works, and I had a legitimate misunderstanding of what is and is not acceptable posting. Both problems are fixed, so let's stop crying over spilt milk.Skillit wrote:"A good part of this is fluff"-Thats very dismissive. . .I distrust people that just give me a decision and no real reason. was what i said a damning point of contention that was meant to seal your fate? No, but calling my whole post fluff save for one bit which you choose to respond to does not really address the rest, if it did every other post on this forum would be "thats fluff"
Looking at suspicious players is not at all anti-town. I fully understand that you're trying to get discussion going, but in doing so you're stretching your case on me an awful lot. That's partly why I shot it off as weak.Skillit wrote:I try to keep my vote on who i think is the scumiest, right now thats you. Im not saying i hate you or that your a bad person, I'm saying "hey guys, maybe we should look at this too"
If you think im way off thats one thing, but I dont get how posting on things i think are off is at all a bad thing. I dont like when people seem to hold themselves somehow above suspiscion,how is looking into players i see acting suspisciously ananti-townthing to do?Do you think my post was designed to conjure up a magic wagon to string you up, or do you think it was just a post from a guy trying to objectively look at everything and bring some new discusion to a thread where nobody had posted in almost 2 full days?
The incorrect representation, by the way, largely has to do with you accusing me of trying to get Rage modkilled. I am aware that I've made enemies of people by ratting on them, but that's nowhere near what I tried to do. I wanted a clarification, not an easy kill to exploit.Skillit wrote:"for his weak case and misrepresenting me"if you really think that im misrepresenting you then why not enlighten me?unless you already did and my "misrepresenting you" was just related to what i referred to as the tattle'ing post, and if you can tell me honestly that you think that that post simply CANNOT be read that way then lets alk about that, but it will really just boil down to semantics in he end.
Also, misrepresent really has 2 meanings, to either incorrectly or misleadingly represent-what way did you mean it, i assume you believe i wasintentionallymisleading - which is absurd as i would have to do so knowingly, which i could not have done without the "info" you provided in post 54 (you were concerned because you are picky, and you wanted the mod to know someone might have broken a rule, but you didnt want any pnishment for him braking that rule?), and if you mean it as a way of saying i was incorrect about that post then, can you or anyone really fault me in reading it that way?- either wayi utterly fail to see how my coments were at all a misrepresentation - care toactuallyexplain it to me?
I don't like running around in circles repeating stuff and coming off as Captain Obvious (this is only page 3), and I fail to see how voting someone back for legitimate reasons is OMGUS. I occasionally reiterate cases to make it clear that I'm voting for someone for that reason, but I feel I pretty much have a "cut to the chase" type of playstyle. Not the best, I know, but that's me.Skillit wrote:as for the "weak case"- Coug-do you really think im reaching if i say you have so far been light on the reasonings?, you have the most posts in the game so far with the least bit of reasoning for actions (only 3 of your posts were longer than a single line), very quick to follow whats going on but not really bringing new things to the discussion, fast to omgus back at me with a "well i think your suspiscious skillit for daring to suspect me!!!"
I fail to see the point in your saying I believe voting for suspicious players is scummy, because I don't.Skillit wrote: :arrow: Id love to find out about how im scum trying to kill off the town as fast as i can by trying to make sure we look at everyone and that we don't react too fast to the whims of the informed minority.
Also goin to toss in an fast "against the man" here:you of all people in this game voting me for weak reasoning is just . . . ironic.
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When I FoS somebody for opportunistic voting, you doalvinz95 wrote:
.....Strangecoug wrote:FoS: Rage for opportunistic voting, before I forget.
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I don't really like your defense. Right now, I see you as the most scummy after about 2-3 scummy moves.
Vote: StrangecougNOTmake another opportunistic vote the post after I call it out.
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No, but you do get acerebus3 wrote:I hear omgus'ing a lot is a scum-tell. Let's wagon!
vote: StrangerCoug
Will he change his vote to me now?major HoS: cerebrus3for being as blatantly ignorant of my opportunistic vote accusation toward Rage as alvinz95.
I said that my supposed modkill attempt was fluff because I thought it was a stretch for a case.Skillit wrote:where did you explain what was fluff/why it was irrelevent other than to address the tatteling part, which was about 1/4 of my post and my points?
1. Actually, come to think of it, it is worth discussing, and I feel you've defended your case. Don't kill people because of misunderstandings. Case on you is withdrawn.Skillit wrote:2 questions:
1)Do you think this is not worth discussing?
2)If we were talking about anyoneelsewould you find the answers you gave to my post sufficent?Un-FoS: Skilliteven though I never FoS'd you—I abruptly switched my vote and am aware of the fact that, as far as should be understood, I was still suspecting you.
2. Depends on the scenario. In an otherwise exact same situation, I'd probably be willing to back myself up if asked to, because I believe I have the basic case covered.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Yes, but for a reason. In my book, if someone votes back with a legitimate case, then it ceases to be OMGUS, but what people consider or don't consider to be OMGUS seems to vary a bit due to people making different judgment calls on it.alvinz95 wrote:1. OMGUS?
Explain.alvinz95 wrote:2. Bad defense
So be it. As I said, there wasn't much to discuss yet on page 3.alvinz95 wrote:3. Hypocritical in opportunistic voting
You quoted my FoS'ing Rage and proceeded to throw my doing so out the window. The mindset you gave me works like "screw this, I'm voting you anyway with as little of a case that I can get away with". cerebus3 was being a brat about it, but I have to pick and choose who I want to go after with my vote.alvinz95 wrote:4. Lack of consistency (you only FOS rage)
Once alvinz95 voted, the wagon got ridiculous. What am I, a touch-tone telephone?Goatrevolt wrote:Dude, StrangerCoug, people jumping on a bandwagon is not a scummy action by itself. You can't just vote everyone who jumps on your bandwagon. If someone is voting you for poor reasons, by all means, point it out, but jumping on every single player who votes you is not productive at all.
I don't want to create the presumption that you're sympathetic of me if that's not true, but I applaud you for thinking (post #71, quoted here) before acting (post #76).Goatrevolt wrote:I'm not a fan of Coug's play, but he's been lynched as town in both of the other games I've played with him for similar type stuff, so I want to compare his posting in this game with his posting in those games before making a decision here.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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He already linked to the one game not in progress.GhostWriter wrote:Goat, you claim to have played with him and seen him get lynched for similar stuff. If those games aren't ongoing, would you mind linking to them? I'd like to see and judge for myself.
If anybody cares to go through it, I do have a MafiaWiki page, with links to every game on this site that I have ever been in.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Slap in the head: StrangerCougfor somehow thinking we were back on page 3.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Lynch all liars.forbiddanlight wrote:Guess I lied. This is about the millionth time my saturday plans have been cancelled. Allow me to mope for a few hours and I'll return to check cases.FoS: Goatrevoltbecause I feel she did not lie. She is not psychic, and I don't know what her plans were or what cancelled them, but this is not enough reason for a policy lynch.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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If you would like to be lynched because you said you were going to a party but instead stayed home and posted on MafiaScum because it was raining like mad, then please let me know.alvinz95 wrote:
Opportunistic to attempt to distance from your partner?StrangerCoug wrote:Goatrevolt wrote:
Lynch all liars.forbiddanlight wrote:Guess I lied. This is about the millionth time my saturday plans have been cancelled. Allow me to mope for a few hours and I'll return to check cases.FoS: Goatrevoltbecause I feel she did not lie. She is not psychic, and I don't know what her plans were or what cancelled them, but this is not enough reason for a policy lynch.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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OK. Just making sure we weren't doing some ridiculous stuff at another's expense.Goatrevolt wrote:
I wasn't being serious. Of course her plans falling through on Saturday has absolutely no relevance on her alignment.StrangerCoug wrote:FoS: Goatrevoltbecause I feel she did not lie. She is not psychic, and I don't know what her plans were or what cancelled them, but this is not enough reason for a policy lynch.
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I'm not offended because it is the unfortunate truth. The one game on this site so far where I've won as town, I got lynched on Day 1. Also, the one game on this site so far I lived to the last day as town, I made the terrible mistake of being biased toward one of the players based on his play, and the last Mafioso got clean away from me without my ever suspecting him once. So yeah, I still have a long way to go.forbiddanlight wrote:SC is of note but that same ongoing gives me a feeling he just sucks as town (no offense).
It's interesting to note that, for reasons unknown to me, I've yet to be NK'd outside of Meat World. Obviously, this will change—even if I keep ongoing games out of this like I'm supposed to, given enough time it will happen anyway.
The FoS on Goatrevolt was ultimately caused by my weak sense of humor and I seriously thought Goatrevolt wanted to policy lynch forbiddanlight for something beyond her control. I dropped the FoS once Goatrevolt clarified that it was a joke. Before you die, I want you to explain how my misunderstanding of his post where he brings up "lynch all liars" is distancing and especially explain how my misunderstanding his post means that we are scumbuddies.alvinz95 wrote:Take note that it's scum-riddled wagon, StrangeCoug's strange interactions with Goat, Goats persistence on a random vote move. Right now I'm very sure the scum are StrangeCoug and Goatrevolt. StrangeCoug's FoS in attempt to distance sealed the deal and a witty defence closed it completely. Read through the arguments of Goat and realize he's only really attacking one post, as opposed to my argument against StrangeCoug's numerous scummy moves from OMGUSing most of the people that were voting him, his bad defense against skillit, interactions with Goat, and tagging along Goat. Realize how weak of a case there is on me tomorrow (A "controversial" random stage move). Good luck town, but anyway I claimCouncil Member. Which is most likely an auto-lynch. I'm confident that the town will lynch StrangeCoug or Goat tomorrow.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Both. I failed to see the post as a joke until he said it was, so I brought the LAL comment up to express my concerns that he was doing so.Rage wrote:StrangerCoug wrote:OK. Just making sure we weren't doing some ridiculous stuff at another's expense.
Care to explain why you said one thing but mean another? Was it your (weak) sense of humor or were you trying to make sure Goatrevolt didn't pull something ridiculous/fishy?StrangerCoug wrote:The FoS on Goatrevolt was ultimately caused by my weak sense of humor and I seriously thought Goatrevolt wanted to policy lynch forbiddanlight for something beyond her control.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Since there's nothing else to talk about, why shouldn't I throw an FoS on damn near anybody for lurking?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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EBWOP: "Anybody" should read "everybody".STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I only asked to get discussion going again anyway.
OK, now that that's settled... *thinks of something else that should be brought into discussion*STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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OK, new question: What do you think of alvinz95 vs. Goatrevolt?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I generally don't, but I'll be happy to: Right now, alvinz95 is scummier to me than Goatrevolt, and they've both played with me previously. Again, I don't want to say that the latter's meta read clears me (he draws good parallels), but I simply buy Goatrevolt's logic on me more than alvinz95's.cerebus3 wrote:
I notice you did not answer your own question.StrangerCoug wrote: OK, new question: What do you think of alvinz95 vs. Goatrevolt?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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How so?veerus wrote:
Rage, why would you unvote on someone who was only at 4 votes at the time to get a discussion going? Especially since your argument earlier in the post was against alvinz. To me, your unvote implies that you want a discussion about someone other than alvinz for no really good reason. And that's pretty suspicious.Rage wrote:Unvote
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I like GhostWriter's case. I do not like how he has given up scumhunting and is attempting to shift blame toward Goatrevolt and me. Granted, I do not want to give the wrong impression that I'm needlessly clinging to Goatrevolt when all I'm doing is agreeing with him, but other than that I fail to see how Goatrevolt and I are connected, nor do I believe the "if X is town, then Y is scum" in this context.
Confirm vote: alvinz95
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#1: As I said, the bandwagon was getting ridiculous. I went from one vote (from Skillit, the only person on my wagon to attempt a decent case) to being L-3 in the span of one hour, six minutes, and 42 seconds. Am I the only person who sees something wrong with that picture?
#2: Weak. Explain.
#3: As I keep saying over and over, there wasn't much to talk about on page 3.
#4: Goatrevolt shot that down.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Boy, a lot of things seem to be getting in the way of forbiddanlight's analysis...
Somebody get her plans that drive her off MafiaScum canceled again xD
But seriously, I'd like to know what she has to say about Goatrevolt, alvinz95, and me.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Do say what you have about the other two people. Worry about the rest when you have time.forbiddanlight wrote:
That I can do now if you like. Well, except for you, I haven't written your summary to analyze yet.
But seriously, I'd like to know what she has to say about Goatrevolt, alvinz95, and me.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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As for the panic-OMGUS, would you like to go from one vote to L-3 in just over an hour when only the first person to vote for you has a decent explanation? I don't think so.Styro wrote:Ok, just read all 9 pages and I fail to see why people haven't come to their senses on SC yet. Lots of tattleing along (more than once), very opportunistic, and extreme panic-omgus. Scummy as hell.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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What makes you say this?Megatheory wrote:Ugh... I haven't been able to write my analysis yet, but I have read the thread. I'll get it done tomorrow. Basically, I don't think we should lynch either of SC or alvinz today and I think Skillit is scum. Details tomorrow, promise. I'm just too tired to write it now.
I have a MafiaWiki page that you can run through I have every game I'm in linked on that page.Jshark wrote:After a quick read of some Strangecougar's past games I am almost certain that Strangecoug's scummy moves early on are no indication of his alignment. This is not to say that he's not scum, but simply to agree that his moves are much the same as when he was town in other games. I had been meaning to go back and look at this for sometime now as I hate taking other people's word for it.
The games on Rooster Teeth are played drastically different from those on MafiaScum, so don't worry about those too much.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Oh, forbiddanlight and her walls of text for analyses...
I'm so unpredictableGoatrevolt wrote:I don't want to lynch SC for a lot of the reasons Mega brought up. I can't really read his playstyle very well, because he's made these same kind of scummy mistakes in every game I've played with him. For that reason, as of yet, I haven't seen anything that would really make me think he's scum.
I'd rather lynch someone who I think has a decent chance of being scum, rather than someone who is always scummy and is tough to read.
But yeah. I may or may not be scum, but I agree with your point here. I generally don't use meta outside of my memory of other games I've been in, but I don't object to its use. If it's too hard to get a read on somebody, then move on. Suspect me if you have a legitimate reason, yes, but Goatrevolt has a case in point here.
And yes, forbiddanlight, you should be worried when I start playing well. I bet you everything I own that players that look really,REALLYscummy are simply terrible townies and that players that look really,REALLYtownie are really excellent scum.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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What Skillit wagon? The two I remember were on alvinz95 and me.Styro wrote:Ok, just one more thing, I don't like how forbid jumps in after Goat and suddenly she now likes the Skillit 'wagon', tattling along.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Why should I entertain your suicidal wishes?Rage wrote:I need more votes please.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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If I am trying to bus you (as the present tense is spelled), then that means that not only I but you as well are scum and I'm trying to get rid of you to make me appear more innocent. Way to set off alarm bells.alvinz95 wrote:I can see where the Rage case is going but I'm still sold on StrangeCoug. I think he's trying to "buss" me.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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This is a closed setup, so nobody knows who's what besides the mob. I'm almost certain a lyncher would be in a theme game, though.Jshark wrote:P.S. What are the possible setups for this game? Since Alvinz looks almost like a lyncher with an agenda against SC lol.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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EBWOP: The word "mob" should be "mod". Sorry.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Missed this, so...
You didn't say for whom, so I assumed yourself by your statement. If this is not your intent, then please clarify your statement.Rage wrote:
What makes you think I'm suicidal?StrangerCoug wrote:
Why should I entertain your suicidal wishes?Rage wrote:I need more votes please.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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alvinz95 saying that he feels like I'm bussing him not only placed me but himself under suspicion. That post makes him either scum or village idiot, and he already has a lot of work to do if I am to believe his case.Rage wrote:Oh, and StrangerCoug hasn't denied Alvinz's words by saying:
He's just saying that IF he's bussing Alvinz, it would mean he is scum trying to appear more innocent. StrangerCoug, could you kindly clear this matter up?StrangerCoug wrote:If I am trying to bus you (as the present tense is spelled), then that means that not only I but you as well are scum and I'm trying to get rid of you to make me appear more innocent. Way to set off alarm bells.
If I have a good reason to vote for you, then I'll do it, but not while you're V/LA. That's being a poor sport.Rage wrote:
I need more votes against me please. Hey, did you like how I ended this post with that as my last note?StrangerCoug wrote:You didn't say for whom, so I assumed yourself by your statement. If this is not your intent, then please clarify your statement.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I do believe that alvins95 is panicky scum. I don't like his accusation that I'm bussing him because it makes not only me but himself suspicious; however, if he misused the term, then yay for learning the hard way.sthar8 wrote:alvinz95: I don't think your vote on Rage was scummy. In fact, I felt that you were basically saying, "He's not in any real danger, so there's no need to move my vote yet," which was true. Unfortunately, your defense against the minor points against you amounted to "that's not important right now because someone else is scummier," followed by, "you're scummy for not dropping this when I said to." When you just tell players that they shouldn't be looking at something, they wonder what you're trying to hide. This coupled with your rather random L-2 townie claim makes me wonder if you are panicky scum. After you were apparently certain about your own lynch, you attempted to set up what could be mislynches for tomorrow, another mark against you. I have to say that your refusal to defend yourself after that point does not paint the picture of unhelpful townie that Skillit seems to see, but rather scum who doesn't want to give the town any more info, and might want to scare some votes off his wagon. This tactic looks like it worked, since the town has moved on to other targets, but IGMEOY.
Your belief that he's trying to set up future mislynches goes along with my being suspicious of him for tunnel vision quite well.
Heh heh heh xD See, I have a sense of humor in there somewhere. It just needs work.sthar8 wrote:Dean Harper: Scummy as all hell. Faking a dayvig ability not once, but twice!
Explain what you mean by this.sthar8 wrote:forbiddanlight: High noise to signal ratio.
Random votes are not meant to be serious. Why are you surprised?sthar8 wrote:I'm surprised no one took serious issue with your first random vote other than the mod.
forbiddanlight does seem to post walls of text when she summarizes people, and it does get annoying when you have to highlight her post to keep your spot. Granted, it's more of a PBPA than strictly a player summary.sthar8 wrote:You didn't really take a stance on SC's actions, and made absolutely sure to present positives on both sides almost every time you mentioned the subject. Then you posted your summaries. These really bothered me, because instead of winnowing out the points that were relevant to your opinions and arguments, you left all the garbage in.
His meta of me in previous games does make it look like he's clearing me, and while I am happy that he doesn't suspect me, this is a good point to bring up.sthar8 wrote:Goatrevolt: I'm having a hard time reconciling your play regarding SC and everyone else. Despite noting that you don't really have a read on him, you seem willing to forgive SC's every mistake, while questioning others on small, seeming inconsistancies in their posts. You seem content to let SC float along on the strength of your reasoning, rather than contributing significantly to the discussion. You seem prone to chronic miscommunication as well, which renders a significant amount of your debate useless. I agree with most of your reasoning, with a few rather curious exceptions.
Nice xDsthar8 wrote:sthar8: OBVscum. I mean, seriously. This guy hopes to be less annoying than Gimbo, then asks for time to post his thoughts before the day is cut short? The nerve! Let's lynch him right now!
(NB: I normally object to the term "obvscum".)
I have explained the "modkill fishing" as a misunderstanding of the rules, and I did realize that I should not have asked the question publicly. I do see how I may have tried to do this if I were scum, however.sthar8 wrote:StrangerCoug: Well, lets start at the beginning. The first independantly scummy action from you was your modkill fishing. Several people have commented that they see no potential scum advantage to such an activity, but to my eyes it is blatantly obvious. As scum, getting a townie modkilled serves your win condition admirably. You would have one less townie to contend with, be one step closer to LYLO, and have a plausible and defensible position that could absolve you of all blame. "Tattling," as it has been called, represents significant advantage for scum, and almost none for town.
Explain how my reaction to going from one vote to four in over an hour is unreasoned.sthar8 wrote:It's rather ironic and a bit hypocritical that your first OMGUS, on Skillit, was ostensibly based on his weak reasoning, which is the part of his case on you that you completely ignored. You then went on an OMGUS-spree that, on the surface, decreed what is and is not acceptable basis for suspicion. This is especially scummy because you were attacked early on for agreeing without giving reasons, and your OMGUS does the exact same thing. By the way, you are correct in thinking that OMGUS excludes situations in which the second case is legitimate, but the votes on you made sense, and your reactions were unreasoned, so they were definitely OMGUS.
I do agree with his case, but I was afraid of being accused of the buddying accusation ><sthar8 wrote:You continually buddy yourself up to goat without generating any content of your own.
I honestly don't have a good answer. Maybe I'm hoping for a meta justification? *shifts eyes*sthar8 wrote:Your "defense" has consisted of disregarding attacks against you, then acknowledging that your play is terrible. How is this supposed to clear you, exactly?
I am hard to get a reliable read of at this point in time,sthar8 wrote:Acting like scum as town in other games says nothing about your alignment in this one. If anything, your meta should make us more suspicious of you, since you've proven that you will be hard to read, and that your actions don't always align with your motivations.
*writes bunches of notes to himself, one of which is to learn how to respond appropriately to pressure and another to find a happy medium between overreacting and not reacting*sthar8 wrote:You seem to take some kind of perverse pride in playing poorly, which says to me that you are not trying as hard as you can. This needs to stopright nowbecause it is distracting the town from important issues. You will either step up your play, or you will die.
I don't know if this is something I should say out loud, but I do find that, when I'm frustrated and under pressure, I find it hard to think clearly. Maybe I should calm down a bit for starters? (I'm trying to avoid asking for too many suggestions here, and I know what happened to me in another game when I did this.)sthar8 wrote:No more nonexistant reasoning, no more leeching off other people's arguments. The word "because" needs to become your new best friend. If you are a townie, a lack of tolerance for bad play will force you to improve, and at the very least we'll get an idea of your true capabilities as a player, and a better read on your motives. If you are scum, requiring reasoning from you will make any pushes you make more obvious, and you will die soon anyway. I understand that I'm being rather harsh here, but we need actual contribution from everybody to win the game. I'm willing to suspend my suspicions of you for a short time, provided that you can commit to an attempt to make your thought processes more transparent.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Makes sense.sthar8 wrote:To understand Noise to Signal, think of a radio, or a telephone with a bad connection. You hear two distinct things: atmospheric static, and the radio signal that you want to listen to. If the static is stronger than the music, you have a high noise to signal. In mafia, as a game of discussion, we can expect a certain amount of useless chatter or BS. There's nothing wrong with this, until the useless info (noise) begins to drown out the important info (signal). FL is correct that this seems to be a very popular expression, but I think the analogy is apt and clever.
Do I understand you correctly that your belief of the random voting stage is that players should not vote in such a manner as to take away from legitimate discussion?sthar8 wrote:My issue with FL's random vote is that it violates the intent of the random voting stage. Random voting serves two purposes. First, it breaks the ice and starts some silly conversation, letting everyone get to know each other's playstyles a little. Second, and more important, random voting provides an opportunity for town to examine the reasons behind the random votes to determine possible alignment or give a baseline for behavioral analyses. If there seems to be a reason for the vote that is not given, that may be an indication of scum. You can also measure reactions to early joke wagons, like the one we saw on Skillit this game. If he had panicked, we might add that as a scumtell to his case. People who vote truly randomly (with dice) or people who don't random vote (by voting the mod or refusing to vote) rob the town of the information gained in the random voting stage.
Again, I don't like the speed at which the wagon happened, but now that my head is clear I see where you are coming from here. *writes another note to self: do not defend yourself by attacking back*sthar8 wrote:Your reaction to the wagon on you was to OMGUS each player on the wagon, and to decree to them what they are allowed to find suspicious. Every vote on your wagon was legitimate, because (true) OMGUS is a strong scumtell. Since scum have a lot more to lose when lynched than town do, it is reasonable to expect that poorly played scum will reactexactlyas you did to the same situation. Instead of panicking and OMGUSsing, you should have rationally explained how the initial suspicions on you were weak or insufficient.
No wonder that most people are happy to get rid of me when I'm constantly panicking and I feel like I have to throw something their way for them to chew on ><sthar8 wrote:The best way to defend yourself against accusation is to explain your thought processesto the other players in a rational manner. Giving us insight into your motivation helps us to interpret your actions, and if you seem genuine, suspicion on you will decrease. Of course, we are all tuned to pick out lies or irrational behavior, and catching you doing that will increase suspicion.
I'm not against using meta myself as I feel that, if used properly, you can get a gauge as to the type of player someone is. However, it is true that role received and previous and ongoing games are irrelevant to each other, which is why I personally don't use meta in an attempt to determine if someone is town or scum or even at all (outside of what I remember from experiences with other players, anyway).sthar8 wrote:Your meta outside this game has no effect on what role PM you received. This makes meta, especially a self-aware meta, unreliable at best against any intelligent player, as they can easily manipulate it. In your case, your meta is consistantly hard to read, and there is no strong distinction between scumplay and townplay (I assume from the reports of others. I'm not going to waste my time looking up a meta that several people have already failed to find useful info in). This makes your previous games largely irrelevant to the current one, and invalidates any defense based on a meta read.
Basically, to use ourselves as examples, you have no way of knowing at this time that I am town if that is true and vice versa; is that what you're telling me?sthar8 wrote:I would agree that you need to calm down a bit when confronted. Your scumminess could be the result of emotional reactions to logical questions. It appears to me that you get upset when accused, because from your point of view there is no way the accusations can be valid. What you are forgetting is that we do not have the same information as you, and we cannot independantly verify anything regarding your role PM (yet) or your state of mind. The best way to remedy this is to keep your cool and act logically and rationally, so that we will reach the same logical conclusions as you, which will help us understand where you are coming from.
Noted.sthar8 wrote:Note that this kind of panic is very easy to fake as scum. I'm watching you very carefully for any signs that you are anything but genuine. If I discover any, your chance to improve will be over and you will get my vote, as well as a campaign to get you lynched.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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The only two things you've done recently to make me personally want to vote you is ask the town to do so and withdraw from scumhunting. I do not feel justified in getting rid of you simply because you want to die, and by asking why I should "entertain your suicidal wishes", I meant why I should vote you. You've established that the town has nothing to lose in lynching you given your claim, but what do we have to gain in doing so?Rage wrote:When I get the chance to spend a lot of time writing (probably around when my vacation is over) I'll be looking at the votes against me more. And, to the players withholding their votes simply because I'm on vacation, please don't. I'd like to know that you want the Town to know where you stand on the Rage issue, or any issue for that matter, so you should probably have a better reason not to vote for me. And as you can see, I am still reading.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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There's no clear-cut answer. If I got caught fakeclaiming cop, for example, then waiting time between votes is irrelevant, but to be honest, you have to make a judgment call about it. The speed of the votes violated what I felt was acceptable given the circumstances.cerebus3 wrote:
Just for future reference, what is the requisite time I should wait before I vote someone for being scummy? Are you really saying that if I had waited say... 3 more hours, you would have accepted my vote?
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The question made no sense either, veerus.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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If you do not want to be lynched, then setting yourself up to be bandwagoned makes no sense to me. You're confusing me with this post.Rage wrote:Huh? I'm not trying to get lynched, I'm trying to see who wants to bandwagon on me.
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A good part of this is right, and I don't call being allowed to moderate tomorrow being new. Give me enough free time and I cease to have a life xDRage wrote:
Problem is, I don't think StrangerCoug is a newer player. He's in tons of games, and although I don't know much aboutforbiddanlight wrote:Yes and no. I actually see where SC is coming from, since it felt like some of the votes on him were merely pressure, and to have those fly so quickly is definitely something that might cause panic in a newer player. I mean, skillit's case was decent, but still not air tight. SC shouldn't have been wagoned so easily, even if a few of his actions were scummy.him, this is my first game with him, I do think that the more games the better, because as both Town and Scum you get to know a lot more about players' playstyles and role-tells. But, frankly, I don't know why he would be acting the same way after all of the games he has been in, so perhaps after all that time it has ultimately come down to an excuse to act scummy on Day 1.
What the hell? You ask people to vote you, I'm not comfortable with doing so and decide to FoS you instead, and you call me opportunistic? I don't follow your logic.Rage wrote:Oh, and, nice opportunistic FoSing, StrangerCoug.
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So we have a doc and/or the Mafia decided not to kill anybody. I know I'm stating the obvious, but I'm throwing it out there.
Before I say anything else,vote: forbiddanlight. I hate the speed at which you hammered Rage, and you did not allow him the chance to explain his thinking when I put him at L-1. Denying the town information like you did is scummy.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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No he did not. The post before you hammered, I specifically accused him of accusing me of being opportunistic with my FoS on him whenforbiddanlight wrote:I promised that I'd hammer, and Rage said everything he was going to.HE SPECIFICALLY SAIDhe wanted more people to vote him—he contradicted himself. If you can find where he defends this, I'll unvote you, but not before then.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I legitimately wanted a case out of him before he died, as he was guilty of a contradiction I wanted him to explain. I agree with Goatrevolt that forbiddanlight was too fast with the hammer, whether she reserved it or not. I was happier with a Rage lynch than I was previously, but I was not ready for Day 1 to end yet.Megatheory wrote:
Like what I said to Goat, did you forget the part where forbiddan claimed the hammer? This essentially makes your vote the hammer instead of hers.StrangerCoug wrote:So we have a doc and/or the Mafia decided not to kill anybody. I know I'm stating the obvious, but I'm throwing it out there.
Before I say anything else,vote: forbiddanlight. I hate the speed at which you hammered Rage, and you did not allow him the chance to explain his thinking when I put him at L-1. Denying the town information like you did is scummy.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I assumed that she would have allowed enough time for me to see a case from him. For obvious reasons, I was wrong; however, I still feel her actions are inexcusable.Megatheory wrote:So basically, you wanted to pressure Rage, correct? You knew forbiddan had reserved the hammer, correct?
If both are true, than your vote is an awfully poor plan. Rage already had five votes on him, and forbiddan's pre-hammer counts as a sixth vote. This means he was effectively at L-1.
Anyone voting for Rage would give forbiddan the opportunity to hammer. You can't control her vote, so you had no idea when she would hammer. Barring certain power roles, you wouldn't have known her alignment yesterday, so why on earth would you trust her? We know you don't believe she is innocent because of your vote today.
Therefore, I believe the hammer is your responsibility. Don't try to pass the buck to someone who's vote was effectively already there.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I had presented a new case against Rage with my vote: his hypocrisy, i.e. wanting votes but FoS'ing me for being opportunistic. I thought that forbiddanlight had about the same mindset that I did that new cases means an opportunity to defend oneself, which I was willing to give Rage even though I knew of the former's intent to hammer. However, according to her, she didn't know about my hypocrisy case on him until after today started, when I voted for her for denying the town information with the speed of her hammer. I know that both of our cases are interrelated, but what I think I'm guilty of here is forgetting never to assume anything in Mafia.
Let me clarify that, although I didn't exactly want Rage dead earlier on in Day 1 because I did not feel voting for him solely because he said so was justified, I was more confident that Rage was scum when he threw the contradictory FoS and thus more comfortable, though not completely so, with his lynch. What I don't like is that forbiddanlight didn't take the time to read my post and think "Hey, we have more info here, so let's hear him out before I kill him."
If I reserved the hammer, I would allow the person in question to state his or her case, and then I decide whether or not I believe what I see before throwing it down. Maybe forbiddanlight doesn't do that, but this is the first game I've played with her where she's reserved the hammer vote. The only time I've done so involves an ongoing game, so I cannot discuss it right now.
Did I mistrust forbiddanlight? Probably. Is my mistrusting her an excuse for what she did? I don't think so.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Correction: He did indeed call me opportunistic, but did not FoS me for it. My mistake.StrangerCoug wrote:I had presented a new case against Rage with my vote: his hypocrisy, i.e. wanting votes but FoS'ing me for being opportunistic.
cerebus3 wrote:Megatheory, you are not asking the right question.
Coug: Why did you vote rage when you didn't want him lynched yet?
I had a better reason for voting him at that point than because he asked for it. In hindsight, I realize that pressuring somebody for a case by putting him or her at L-1 is a bad idea, but that's the only thing that came to mind in terms of getting him to explain.cerebus3 wrote:EBWOP: Or, to be more specific, why did you put rage at L-1 when you were not comfortable with him being lynched yet.
Nobody can speak on Rage's behalf, but for clarification and to make it universal instead of tied to this game, for this request I will refer to Rage as Player A and myself as Player B. If anybody can make sense of the following from Player A's viewpoint, please let me know.
- Player A asks for votes, then claims he wanted to see who would bandwagon him.
- Player B can understand the case on A, but is uncomfortable with A's request, so FoS's him instead.
- A accuses B of an opportunistic FoS.
- B votes A for hypocrisy.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Well, given I woke up thinking I didn't make it clear for you that I wanted a case from Rage, I'll be nice and give you the benefit of the doubt.forbiddanlight wrote:As for you SC, I still say you taking him to L-1 when there are other ways of expressing suspicion was foolhardy, but I also agree my quick hammer wasn't that intelligent either. But, if that's your case against me, I really can't defend it. Yes, I hammered. Um...am I supposed to deny that or something?Unvote: forbiddanlight, but you still get anFoS: forbiddanlight.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Isn't it amazing how much easier it is to understand something when it's explained clearly the first time around?forbiddanlight wrote:
I said I'd hammer. I figured it was obvious I meant first chance I got so that someone else wouldn't take it.
No, you're supposed to explain it, preferably with something other than an admission of fault and an appeal to ridicule.
One, way to dismiss what I feel is a legitimate concern. Two, this is WIFOM.forbiddanlight wrote:
This is a bullshit argument. If Rage had been scum no one would be giving me shit today about itbecause it shows that you might not understand how serious of a mistake the hammer really was
Something seems off here, but it's gut.forbiddanlight wrote:
Well, that sucks. I was hoping I could either give up the case because it wasn't going anywhere or that I could press it further. So much for that. I'll stick with what I have
As for your comments regarding a meta on Skillit, I just had a brief discussion with SC not too long ago about the dangers of meta. In addition, Skillit's post history proves that this is his second game here, so any "evidence" that you might find in his other posts is not significant for the purposes of determining a pattern, since he hasn't had time to demonstrate a consistant playstyle.
No I did not.forbiddanlight wrote:
As megatheory said, my vote was all but on rage. I just wanted to hammer for once. SC pushed it.Why did you feel that you had the right to choose when to cut off discussion?
Not in and of itself, no. It's the circumstances, however, that make it a scum tell.forbiddanlight wrote:
Suppose you could argue that. But I stand by I promised the hammer and delivered, and that if rage HAD been scum you wouldn't be giving me shit today. As someone put it best, HAMMERING IS NOT A SCUM TELLIts pretty clear that it would be an advantageous move for scum to quicklynch a townie and cut off all discussion, especially if they thought they had a defensible position for the next day.
Neither one of these is an excuse. Have you ever heard the saying that haste makes waste?forbiddanlight wrote:Most of the people who have played with me before should realize I'm impulsive. I realize many of you haven't, so I guess it wasn't obvious what I was going to do.
Vote: forbiddanlightagain.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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*faints from the epic fail of this post*forbiddanlight wrote:That's cause I don't need a "real defense". I'm also not scum. Point out the "severity of the consequences" oh wise one
This is a straw man. The town was convinced that Rage was scummy; if they weren't, they wouldn't have voted for him. However, one can be convinced of scum and still not want to end the day just yet.forbiddanlight wrote:
K, so, the town was ready to lynch rage, but not to end the day...yeeah. And yeah, I was aware you wanted to do your analysis. I wanted to hammer. So I did. You got your say today.No, it most certainly wasn't. The reaction to your hammer bears this observation out, and your mention that my analysis on you would have to wait implies that you were aware of the immediate consequences of your actions.
Were you not paying attention when I accused you of denying me information by hammering Rage when I didn't want him dead just yet!? The less information the town has, the better off the scum are.forbiddanlight wrote:
And what's the scum reason? I'm impulsive. I can't put it any more clearly than thatOf this, I can. He had reason to believe that you would at least pretend to do what was best for the town, and there was no logical, pro-town reason for your actions, therefore he couldn't forsee them.
Do me a favor and get real.forbiddanlight wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If anything "important" were up, it would have come up already. It also didn't come up today. I think this is your weakest point.So rather than risk someone else hammering before you got a chance to, you decided to risk the possibility that someone with important info to give us would be NK'd? As I've said before, meta is very weak evidence, as it is easy to manipulate and hide behind.
I believe my case on you is even less than this, but I still think it's solid.forbiddanlight wrote:
Nyeh, your case revolves around my hammering too quickly, and some obscure standard of signal to noise. I'm here to play a game. If I add noise, sowwy. So, if all you have is that hammer, I don't think you'll get to stick. I don't really have much defense of the action either. Sowwy again. Impasse. I'll discuss it as long as you like, but I'm sticking to my guns.As I have said, I'm very close to voting you at this point. The one doubt I have is that goat seems very protown and logical and also convinced of your innocence. Therefore, I will withhold my vote until goat presents the reasoning behind his comment that your hammer is an argument for your towniness. From goat's previous posts, I have a strong hope that it won't be a WIFOM defense or a variation of the "too scummy" argument.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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EBWOP: Caught this just now:
This is directed at forbiddanlight, but I remember me saying something like that, not her.sthar8 wrote:You had expressed earlier that you believe that the timing of votes is a key factor in determining how justified a vote is.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I hate this. Refusing to defend yourself is scummy. If you think your actions are legitimate, prove it. If you think the case is untrue, prove it. Just don't dismiss a case on you claiming it doesn't apply to you (unless, of course, it doesn't—if I were to present a case against you that "all men are thieves", it would be correct to say it doesn't apply to you since you are not male).Defending the undefensible. Seems whenever I do end up suspected I end up in a situation like that. Im downplaying your points because there's no way to defend them.
It is not OMGUS if you have a legitimate countercase against your attacker.I want to suspect you of being scum, really. But I know it's OMGUS, and I feel it's probably wrong.
This is hypocritical.forbiddanlight wrote:Which is what pisses me off more since you are going to railroad a repeat of D1. Without any information since I can see agreement that my actions were scummy.
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