Mini Normal 2197: Noraaland ~Endgame~
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Toogeloo Jack of All Trades
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I like Infinity for town with this post.In post 65, Infinity 324 wrote:
This post was scummy to me because it's like "hey make sure not to kill me" but you don't contribute anything.In post 37, MURDERCAT wrote:I'm E-2, fyi-
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Yeah, no.In post 110, In the beginning wrote:I don't like the top wagons.
We should just
VOTE: No Lim
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VOTE: In the beginning-
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You don't want a dumb vote, don't make a dumb post.In post 127, In the beginning wrote:This is really surface level analysis.-
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I mean, sure, but do I? No.In post 134, Momrangal wrote:
You don't think it's easily fakeable?In post 126, Toogeloo wrote:I can just see where Infinity was coming from with his post I quoted. That seems like a town observation to me.
I do suspect that MurderCat might be town as well though, so I'm looking elsewhere.-
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What does this mean?In post 217, JohnnyFarrar wrote:My vote is serious and my tone is not
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Scummy as fuck, does things that don't make sense, and then done nothing scummy for a while = probably town?In post 218, StatueSurfer wrote:In The Beginning: That vote to, quite deliberately, put MC at E-1 was scummy af. The no-elimination vote is super weird, but doesn't make any sense for scum to do, and I don't he's done anything scummy since. Probably town.
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I feel like Johnny is just rolling over, which seems like something town do more often than scum.-
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Energy levels change. I don't think that is a particularly strong reading mechanism. My energy levels tend to be a bit higher after I take breaks, or if I'm playing just one game. If I've been practically marathoning mafia, I get way lazier. This is one of the reasons I always disagree with trying to solve by meta.In post 259, Infinity 324 wrote:In student council you had way more energy than this, same with haunted village
Or at least, an attention to nuance
Or something is different idk-
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Johnny didn't claim, and he hit E-1 as well yesterday. Were you around to pressure a claim at the time? What's done is done, but today is already full of shoulda, could a, wouldas.In post 433, Aristophanes wrote:I wish they had claimed prior to hammer tho.
You still town read Titus?-
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Ehhhhhhh.... That might be a stretch.In post 451, MURDERCAT wrote:Also Johnny has looked better over time as you have pointed out.-
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They have the second most posts in game. I think I only played with them once in Bears with Guns where they were scum, so I don't know them too well.In post 471, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: JV they're giving me busy-worky vibes and playing it safe more than they usually do as town.
Where is italiano
Outside the VCA, what do you make of Jack?Titus wrote:Major Fos: Johnny and Jackson-
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Did the replacement request completely swap your read on Italiano, Infinity? You're still voting the slot.
I've seen scum replace out under pressure at least a half dozen times, so it NAI as far as I am concerned.
I am leaning Titus on gut due to the fairly generic VCA as her only real activity.
VOTE: Titus-
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Didn't JV do a fake claim out the gate after they killed me Night 1?
I just have JV null because I really don't see any activity that seems like hunting, and I get the impression they are just trying to stay engaged. I relate because I feel like I am chomping at the bit waiting for something to happen.
I'm used to at least one or two aggressive people in a game that go ham on a read, and that usually perpetuates the game state. Whereas here, it feels like everyone is sipping maitais on the beach.-
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Any particular reason from those two?In post 566, Haschel Cedricson wrote:In the meantime, though, I would like a summary of the game so far from JohnnyFarrar and Titus.-
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Haschel coming in hot is kinda lulz. Reminds me of Math in Bears. Your not a Mason are you? (Don't answer that, it's a joke).
I'm still thinking that the Italiano/Haschel slot hasn't really town told yet.
Think someone asked my reads earlier.
Townread:
MurderCat
Aristophanes (really liked everything after day start)
Town-leans:
Infinity
Null pretty much else.
My Titus vote was a sheep on MurderCat, but gonna swap my sheep vote to Flea.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flea-
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I've ISO'd most the slots, actually. Mom's posts seem the most confusingly hungry.In post 665, Dannflor wrote:Why did you choose momrangal to ISO today out of all the slots?
I get ambivalence from many other slots (like Titus, JV, Johnny, ITB, MC to a lesser degree). There are some slots I am not interested in since they actually seem like they are trying (Ari, Infinity, Italiano/Hascel). Mom's slot seems to actually want blood, and she's wagon hopped a lot, so I want to push there.-
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There's two things going through my head.In post 742, Haschel Cedricson wrote:You think they are both town?
Either mom is protecting Flea, and they're both scum, or both wagons are being diverted from someone else, possibly Dann or Infinity.
I really don't like how Titus voted Flea and then mom voted Ari though, which is why I'm leaning more on the former. Titus and Mom are almost assuredly not group scum together based on those votes and the timing.
My main concern here though is for as dynamic as this vote seems to be, the game is very quiet. Something about it all is off putting.-
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Touched a nerve, did I?In post 763, Dannflor wrote:mannnn this sequence just feels like a way for scum to wash their hands of either wagon
too much wagon dynamics analysis not enough focus on their individual reads of the slots
I don't understand the conclusion that Titus and Mom are assuredly not scum together
Seems a little odd that Jacko was a strong contender for lim today, and all of a sudden it's completely forgotten about.-
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In post 777, MURDERCAT wrote:Boo no let's just lim someone we don't deserve another extension, it's not fair to scum team
What are you fighting for here? Any lim, a no lim, an anything but faer lim, or a "someone but it has to be Ari" lim?MURDERCAT wrote:Infinity why are you voting Flea who is face up town?
Would you lim one of Dann or mom with me?-
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VOTE: Infinity
I'm obviously wrong about my position on mom, and my reads in the game.
I think mom is near lock-town from play yesterday, and I still strongly town-read MC overall. I agree that either Johnny or Titus might have been aliened on Night 1 based on Haschel's interactions, and since Alien only works on same alignment, it's more likely that the role blocked a kill.
I think Dann is my #1 scum read at this point, with the remaining scum member in the leftovers. I'm voting Infinity to show that I am willing to follow my town reads and avoid a repeat of the Day 2 deadline challenge, but I encourage people to evaluate Dannflor and how his slot managed to avoid attention after Jack's replacement out.-
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