Mini Normal 2232 -ENDGAME

[Ythan]

Hi friends.

[Ythan]

anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

Who's the "our mob"?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

This line of questioning seems pointless.

[Ythan]

Is that was RVS is supposed to do? Huh. Fair, then. I haven't noticed reactions to RVS-voting someone being important, but apparently, voting for myself can get a response too.

In theory, at least. Debatable how well it accomplishes that in practice. Does the response tell you anything?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

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Skimming through our moderator's topics, I found his last two Normal games had a d1 Innocent Child. Though I'm sceptical on how much value we get from discussing this in depth right now.

Hmm, I doubt you would do that to get towncred as scum. Either you would wait with this info few days or keep it for yourself. IMO it is valuable. Yeah you are Town.

I can't see this as a real read. Elaborate? If it's been covered I'll get there in a second.

[Ythan]

72 and 73 are stuff to look at after I finish a general skim.

[Ythan]

Going to try and keep on top of claims

Kazan in post 92 hints at o e
Jolylene in 89 hints at more info

Why

[Ythan]

anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

Who's the "our mob"?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

This line of questioning seems pointless.

i hope my later explanation of where i was coming from makes it more understanable why i was checking it out.

As of post 93 I have not seen anything that fits that description no.

[Ythan]

2 mafia means two things, either mafia is very strong

or town is very weak (almost to mountainous)

11:2 with ic and no other power roles is quite balanced.

Then game isn't balanced.kayzan has already said they have a PR

Are you telling us the scum have no PRs? eyes

[Ythan]

72 and 73 are stuff to look at after I finish a general skim.

The first line of 76 is fine and 77 is better.

[Ythan]

anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

Who's the "our mob"?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

This line of questioning seems pointless.

i hope my later explanation of where i was coming from makes it more understanable why i was checking it out.

As of post 93 I have not seen anything that fits that description no.

As my last game has just finished, my "weird" comment about day zero IC might make more sense. I was a day 3 IC in it, so to see one in this game that flipped straight away I found odd

Still seems like an entirely pointless line of questioning though.

[Ythan]

Yeah you're right.

Okay I'm gonna try to go to bed it's past five am. Take this please.

VOTE: Geraintm

[Ythan]

Hey ythan

Hi Dwlee.

[Ythan]

VOTE: Ythan

I'm not sure I like Ythan's entrance into the game. Most of his posting so far focuses on geraintm, and it feels like he's purposefully trying to paint his posts in a scummy manner. 131 seems to be doing that, and I'm not sure I'd expect 136 from Town. The explanation for geraintm's fixation on the Innocent Child seems reasonable to me, and Ythan plainly dismissing it makes me think Ythan might be Scum attacking the Townie that's doing silly things.

I am also getting scumpings on one other person, though I'd like to see them post more before I say something.

What purpose do you think his line questioning was intended to serve from a town perspective?

[Ythan]

So admittedly I saw a lot of words from ythan and blanked, but I want to know why they are posting here whereas my last two games with them they lurked out p much

Receipts please.

[Ythan]

Could also be trying to Rush Posting as scum, since that's what we all learned from NQN

Twelve years I've been on this site. 2021 games are not a learning experience for me.

[Ythan]

Okay, I will ask the obvious question: why are you voting for Alice when you have a stronger scumread in Dwlee?

Yuh yuh yuh

[Ythan]

Because I did not think to follow up with a vote switch when I was fixed on finishing the promised task: sort every player.

Shrug shrug shrug

[Ythan]

Could also be trying to Rush Posting as scum, since that's what we all learned from NQN

Twelve years I've been on this site. 2021 games are not a learning experience for me.

By the way where do you think I got this title hmmm.

[Ythan]

Five pages was short enough to catch up quickly, thankfully. And it's a mini so fingers crossed I don't fall behind.

Also I was playing a bunch of games at once now I'm I just one atm.

[Ythan]

Lolwhat? Apologies for snubbing your experience level, though.

No it's beyond fine I just mean I didn't learn my behaviors from a game that took place this year.

[Ythan]

Lolwhat? Apologies for snubbing your experience level, though.

No it's beyond fine I just mean I didn't learn my behaviors from a game that took place this year.

And the title thing specifically is because I got it for this exact posting style across my games. Sorry if I gave the impression I was bragging with either.

[Ythan]

VOTE: Ythan

I'm not sure I like Ythan's entrance into the game. Most of his posting so far focuses on geraintm, and it feels like he's purposefully trying to paint his posts in a scummy manner. 131 seems to be doing that, and I'm not sure I'd expect 136 from Town. The explanation for geraintm's fixation on the Innocent Child seems reasonable to me, and Ythan plainly dismissing it makes me think Ythan might be Scum attacking the Townie that's doing silly things.

I am also getting scumpings on one other person, though I'd like to see them post more before I say something.

What purpose do you think his line questioning was intended to serve from a town perspective?

Nothing positive, and I've already made it clear that I dislike what he's doing. But just because someone's doing something that isn't pro-Town, doesn't mean that they themselves aren't Town, and geraintm strikes me as a Townie who would definitely be capable of doing something like this, especially coupled with the fact he was just a Day 3 IC in a game.

I'm sure you know that anti-Town behaviour =/= Scum, so I'm kind of raising an eyebrow at your response to me here.

I know anti town behavior isn't automatically scum you clown but it's the best thing I have to go on right now and it does stick out to me more than anything else going on.

[Ythan]

Yeah you're right.

Okay I'm gonna try to go to bed it's past five am. Take this please.

VOTE: Geraintm

Have you played with geraintm before?

Nope.

[Ythan]

Yeah you're right.

Okay I'm gonna try to go to bed it's past five am. Take this please.

VOTE: Geraintm

Have you played with geraintm before?

Nope.

That might explain it.

Expect nothing much useful out of geraintm D1. If you look at them like that, maybe it’ll help alleviate some of the Scum pings you’re getting from the slot.

I'll consider your advice going forward.

[Ythan]

there are literally confirmed only 2 scum total btw - could be a traitor but then that would mean solo groupscum.

I kinda doubt this would pass a normal review but I've never actually been involved with one so grain of salt.

[Ythan]

Alright let's look at this game some.

[Ythan]

Happy birthday Dwlee!

[Ythan]

You can TMI your partner this early by latching on to something insignificant that they did and scumreading them for it.

What? Hahaha I’m sorry but I just disagree. Why is this not just standard Scum trying to make a mountain out of a molehill to justify a bad read? It’s the TMI part of your argument I’m getting totally stuck on. If there’s 2 Scum, my instinct tells me that they’re not doing what you’re looking for here.

I didnt know there were 2 scum when I made that post

Okay but assume this has the standard 3 then. I still don’t think Scum’s first instinct is to blow up their Partner by highlighting something small they did. I just… don’t get why that’s your first instinct.

Doesn't seem outlandish to me. I think this might be the mountains and molehills, will review after catchup.

[Ythan]

and that Jolyene's clue about scum shitting themselves implies jolyene knows something that jo thinks that scum also know, like maybe a special kind of traitor.

Tell me how this is helpful to the Town. If I picked this out, in that I thought the IC is hinting at something that might be useful later, but not stating it directly, then why clarify it without asking first?

I mean this is a good point that 226 doesn't address. Notice I trimmed leaving just the part I'm referencing, ie why

[Ythan]

Okay it's 2am and I'm tired of looking at ms so I'm not gonna start looking at isos right now. Peace.

[Ythan]

I get that he was sticking out, but it looked like sticking out in a Townie manner.

Don't see what you're seeing.

[Ythan]

Hi Koba.

[Ythan]

Sounds deeper with someone.

[Ythan]

I'm at work pardon the shitposting.

[Ythan]

Hi DGB.

[Ythan]

Hi DGB.

I noticed you, senpai.

Maybe the real senpai was inside me all along

[Ythan]

Typical DGB yes.

[Ythan]

Breaking news: late 2020 mafia babby literally cannot interpret the vibes of oldbies; more at 11

? if you're talking about me, I've been playing since 2015 seriously and played the occasional game every year irl since 2008-2015.

I think he means himself.

[Ythan]

Communism is an ideology America is a country. There are American communists even, and American communist propaganda at that.

[Ythan]

Actually no lol

@dgb

[Ythan]

This is perfectly normal dgb don't vote it.

[Ythan]

so here i will do something new because of my d1 scumreads being either hella spot on or a miss -> i will separate the town into 2 lists, 1 are townreads, the other will be people i dont feel comfortable putting in the former.
I ask the people i bin as town are left alone 100% because i have a very good track record of identifying town by the end of d1. Had very few misses in that department, and those came from people who had evolution in play.

wow u seem very confident in this -- lets see if u have a good track on me considering im town. its up to you now to decipher if im town. it will be hilarious if u scumread me

What to make of this

[Ythan]

if someone scumreads you and you are town, is it your fault that you have conducted scummy behavior in that person's pov? or is it their fault for reading you wrong?

It's a natural part of the game but if you had to assign blame I'd say split it.

[Ythan]

For real though this is nai for dgb we know this.

[Ythan]

Mo is giving me bad vibes tonight but I don't recall picking any up earlier.

[Ythan]

Besides me?

[Ythan]

I also thought that was funny, are we just coming out and saying that then?

[Ythan]

It's fun being confed before lylo isn't it.

[Ythan]

I don't think it's reasonable to apply playing to win in cases of thinking someone isn't trying hard enough. 408 seems like a legitimate point.

[Ythan]

I don't think it's reasonable to apply playing to win in cases of thinking someone isn't trying hard enough. 408 seems like a legitimate point.

Why is DGB town?

I'm not saying DGB is town I'm saying implying that DGB is breaking the rules of the game is a bit much.

[Ythan]

That's not implied, no. I think there's no reason to immediately string them up when this is exactly what I always see when we play together.

[Ythan]

The fact that there's been no response to anything from 391 on at this point is souring things though.

[Ythan]

At what point did you realize it was Koba and at what point did you notice the clear?

[Ythan]

Sweet I was wondering where you were.

[Ythan]

We do need to eliminate someone of course.

[Ythan]

So I guess you're all caught up?

[Ythan]

Where you ask what’s up and just avoid actually speaking about the game or provide any positive contribution at all.

It's not like you want to ask something from me, or so on.

This is some low low low hanging fruit

[Ythan]

Where you ask what’s up and just avoid actually speaking about the game or provide any positive contribution at all.

It's not like you want to ask something from me, or so on.

This is some low low low hanging fruit

pruning people who aren't towntelling in any capacity is the best way to build a path to win the game often

Oh absolutely. It didn't get any better from that point forward either ftr.

[Ythan]

This has somehow made me wanna yeet Ythan again.

This may sound self serving coming from me but that's sure and odd conclusion to draw after the rest of your post (which I snipped out to highlight the specific part I'm referring to)

[Ythan]

Maybe an interesting question would be why Ythan saw geraintm as possible Scum, while he declared Enchant as low hanging fruit, but I feel like the two have had different enough plays, it wouldn't be too difficult to come up with a decent answer.

To be clear I don't mean low hanging fruit isn't scum it was just an overtly scummy post staring me in the face.

[Ythan]

For a second I thought the fuck was because you're an alt and not allowed in the speakeasy.

[Ythan]

I think this is good.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

[Ythan]

After the prod I read backwards at first so noticed Koba.

This is so weird to me it's never once occurred to me to read a game backward.

[Ythan]

Like I don't think I could make any sense out of it if I tried.

[Ythan]

I could vote DGB but it's not worse than Gramps.

[Ythan]

Thanks for being so forthcoming answering me each time even if you are just trying to pocket me.

[Ythan]

Sure sure but you know, if you are.

[Ythan]

I thought it might be a little scummy to ask a probing question over something that clearly doesn't matter, but then I realized that a "peck" at someone hasn't historically come from scum in my games--Lunar Martian in Mini Normal 2187, or T3's initial questions in Not Quite Normal Multiball. And then you gave a reasonable answer, so now I'm not getting any scum vibes from you.

Don't love this on gut. The town read possible pocket attempt at the end particularly but the back and forth at the beginning and multiple meta citations as well.

[Ythan]

VOTE: Kazyan

Why the self-vote?

It's an RVS gag? Weird question.

I think it's a stretch to call that a weird question.

[Ythan]

Oh....this game is going to be weird from what I've read above.

Will post more later.

This is post 20

VOTE: geraintm

This is a good point. geraintm, can you elaborate on "weird"?

Calling this a good point when there's no context seems "weird" but Gramps is already a top suspect of mine. This can be tabled for later.

I feel potentially conf biased and am going to take a break.

[Ythan]

Y'all are both gonna be sad when Gramps isn't here to soak up votes.

[Ythan]

Y'all are both gonna be sad when Gramps isn't here to soak up votes.

There is a lot to unpack in this one line. Can you unpack it?

Also, should we consolidate wagons?

Both players posting before me are scum reads but I continue to prefer Gramps because his scummy behavior is more consistent than DGB's and Enchant is just being a low content lurker.

[Ythan]

As to your only question the only wagon with two votes besides Gramps happens to be those exact two players. On Andres who is posting mad content.

To actually answer you though obviously yes.

[Ythan]

As to your other question*

[Ythan]

Also, should we consolidate wagons?

On second thought this is actually a weird question.

[Ythan]

Also you're the only player not voting?

[Ythan]

Pointing to your iso and saying "I've already explained this" (if this isn't demonstrably true) and refusing to engage is a scum tell I actually believe in.

[Ythan]

I understand time is getting short but asking for a hammer without a claim is also a look.

[Ythan]

If we no elim tomorrow will be today plus one scum directed kill, anything else is speculation or personal and limited.

[Ythan]

I understand time is getting short but asking for a hammer without a claim is also a look.

And time is not even as short as I thought.

[Ythan]

I like that we have things to talk about already besides the IC, though I'm still kinda in the phase where I only know anything about Jolyne's role and my role. So, I'm going to watch and reread for a while in order to differentiate people in my mind.

This feels to me like not purely fluff but a subtle suggestion that you are uninformed town. And other than that it is fluff which makes it stand out.

[Ythan]

I could do Kazyan but I'd rather not do a lurker (Enchant) over him or Gramps d1. I'm judging them on content they posted and that's not likely to change going forward but a lurker will either do something later or be a better target if he's still lurking later imo.

[Ythan]

Still prefer Gramps over Kaz though actually and if it's a question of moving to the lurker or not I'd say stay on Gramps.

[Ythan]

Look for scum or I'll hang you later.

[Ythan]

Look for scum or I'll hang you later.

I catched more scums than you already.

Each post like this make that more likely.

[Ythan]

I could do Kazyan but I'd rather not do a lurker (Enchant) over him or Gramps d1. I'm judging them on content they posted and that's not likely to change going forward but a lurker will either do something later or be a better target if he's still lurking later imo.

If you're judging them on the content they posted, why do you think it's not gonna change going forward? Your recent posts seem to be going through Kazyan's ISO, and judging by 679, you're still only on 92, which feels like a bit of an early call?

@Dwlee, what changed your mind on me? And on Kazyan, why not.

I mean I'm looking at their content now and tomorrow they'll have more of the same. It's helpful but I think the difference between a lurker as a potential wagon is larger between days 1 and 2 if that makes sense.

[Ythan]

I think d1 is the easiest time to miselim someone just for lurking.

[Ythan]

Look for scum or I'll hang you later.

I catched more scums than you already.

Each post like this make that more likely.

You want scare me or what?

I'm content either way.

[Ythan]

I also feel like there is something tonally different from dead silence? That part is intangible though and I don't like meta anyway.

Well, I don't feel like shooting myself every time I have to post, so you're not wrong.

I could do Kazyan but I'd rather not do a lurker (Enchant) over him or Gramps d1. I'm judging them on content they posted and that's not likely to change going forward but a lurker will either do something later or be a better target if he's still lurking later imo.

If you're judging them on the content they posted, why do you think it's not gonna change going forward? Your recent posts seem to be going through Kazyan's ISO, and judging by 679, you're still only on 92, which feels like a bit of an early call?

@Dwlee, what changed your mind on me? And on Kazyan, why not.

I mean I'm looking at their content now and tomorrow they'll have more of the same. It's helpful but I think the difference between a lurker as a potential wagon is larger between days 1 and 2 if that makes sense.

Er, sorry, not sure I get what you're trying to say. I wasn't asking about the lurkers.

I do think I explained what i meant in that response if you look again. If you disagree I'll try to rephrase it.

[Ythan]

Look for scum or I'll hang you later.

I catched more scums than you already.

Each post like this make that more likely.

You want scare me or what?

I'm content either way.

Ok sure what content you want.

Nothing specific, it's the general lack of engagement with anything that isn't directed to you specifically.

[Ythan]

What actual scum is he distracting us from again?

[Ythan]

This page has strengthened my view that Enchant's readability will increase more by this time tomorrow than that of a player who is already more engaged. If he hasn't done more by then, I think that will be a lot more to go on than it is now.

[Ythan]

I keep forgetting he replaced Margot but I don't remember her being referenced in this counterwagon anyway, I think it was just let's do a lurker?

[Ythan]

What good timing for you.

[Ythan]

You seem less scummy this page.

[Ythan]

Oh my bad. It was directly after Jolyne became the most recent person to unvote you leaving you at idk 3 or something. Substantially less than previously.

[Ythan]

Do you feel you're my biggest scum read?

[Ythan]

I had 133 squares to fill (excluding my own reads, Jolyne, and the diagonal), so I probably got some of them wrong; please clarify if some are messed up.

Shouldn't have blown through that pedit lol.

[Ythan]

Well still, do you?

[Ythan]

I'm considering reviewing Gramps when I have a moment as a reward for all that good posting on this page but right now it's still him.

[Ythan]

Hey Titus.

[Ythan]

If the Mafia doesn't have Daytalk without an Encryptor, the Neighbourhood shouldn't have it either. I wanna figure out what is happening and whether someone is screwing up their fake claim.

Off the top of my head I don't think this speculation they neighbors require an encryptor for day talk is correct. I think that specifically enables the mafia to communicate. And the rule about how the rules have to say if mafia can talk without an encryptor, I'm pretty sure that's also specific to the mafia.

[Ythan]

Lol thought the thread got locked while I was catching up, I just got logged out without noticing and couldn't see quote buttons.

[Ythan]

So how long has this leading wagon on Gramps been an ego push to punish his play over the last twenty four hours.

[Ythan]

Better to watch how people stumble through it.

[Ythan]

snip

Saving my place

[Ythan]

I was someone trying to not alt slip but also now I can say that what alignment I say kyouko is is what people are sheeping for the rest of the game no questions asked, I have a recent 100% read rate on kyouko as both alignments and they won't break out of it unless they evolve away from playing with me

lol i think ik who u are

fuck so i was right LOL

Jesus Christ

[Ythan]

Spoiler: Ythan-Kazyan raw quotes

I thought it might be a little scummy to ask a probing question over something that clearly doesn't matter, but then I realized that a "peck" at someone hasn't historically come from scum in my games--Lunar Martian in Mini Normal 2187, or T3's initial questions in Not Quite Normal Multiball. And then you gave a reasonable answer, so now I'm not getting any scum vibes from you.

Don't love this on gut. The town read possible pocket attempt at the end particularly but the back and forth at the beginning and multiple meta citations as well.

VOTE: Kazyan

Why the self-vote?

It's an RVS gag? Weird question.

I think it's a stretch to call that a weird question.

Oh....this game is going to be weird from what I've read above.

Will post more later.

This is post 20

VOTE: geraintm

This is a good point. geraintm, can you elaborate on "weird"?

Calling this a good point when there's no context seems "weird" but Gramps is already a top suspect of mine. This can be tabled for later.

I feel potentially conf biased and am going to take a break.

Y'all are both gonna be sad when Gramps isn't here to soak up votes.

Y'all are both gonna be sad when Gramps isn't here to soak up votes.

There is a lot to unpack in this one line. Can you unpack it?

Also, should we consolidate wagons?

Y'all are both gonna be sad when Gramps isn't here to soak up votes.

There is a lot to unpack in this one line. Can you unpack it?

Also, should we consolidate wagons?

Both players posting before me are scum reads but I continue to prefer Gramps because his scummy behavior is more consistent than DGB's and Enchant is just being a low content lurker.

As to your only question the only wagon with two votes besides Gramps happens to be those exact two players. On Andres who is posting mad content.

To actually answer you though obviously yes.

As to your other question*

Also, should we consolidate wagons?

On second thought this is actually a weird question.

Also you're the only player not voting?

As to your only question the only wagon with two votes besides Gramps happens to be those exact two players. On Andres who is posting mad content.

To actually answer you though obviously yes.

Also, should we consolidate wagons?

On second thought this is actually a weird question.

I mean, we have a lot of players who have gone practically silent, so we kinda need a huge majority of active players cooperate to avoid a no-lim today, not just n/2 + 1. VOTE: GrandpaMo. Andre, if you're scum, you're really good at providing scumcases on people.

Kyo, if you're out there, please hammer.

Lemme start that wagon, then. VOTE: Enchant

I understand time is getting short but asking for a hammer without a claim is also a look.

I understand time is getting short but asking for a hammer without a claim is also a look.

And time is not even as short as I thought.

I like that we have things to talk about already besides the IC, though I'm still kinda in the phase where I only know anything about Jolyne's role and my role. So, I'm going to watch and reread for a while in order to differentiate people in my mind.

This feels to me like not purely fluff but a subtle suggestion that you are uninformed town. And other than that it is fluff which makes it stand out.

I could do Kazyan but I'd rather not do a lurker (Enchant) over him or Gramps d1. I'm judging them on content they posted and that's not likely to change going forward but a lurker will either do something later or be a better target if he's still lurking later imo.

Still prefer Gramps over Kaz though actually and if it's a question of moving to the lurker or not I'd say stay on Gramps.

I like that we have things to talk about already besides the IC, though I'm still kinda in the phase where I only know anything about Jolyne's role and my role. So, I'm going to watch and reread for a while in order to differentiate people in my mind.

This feels to me like not purely fluff but a subtle suggestion that you are uninformed town. And other than that it is fluff which makes it stand out.

There is a specific purpose to that post. ♬~

Look for scum or I'll hang you later.

I catched more scums than you already.

I'm still learning all of these Mafia acronyms; what is "NoU" short for?

I could do Kazyan but I'd rather not do a lurker (Enchant) over him or Gramps d1. I'm judging them on content they posted and that's not likely to change going forward but a lurker will either do something later or be a better target if he's still lurking later imo.

If you're judging them on the content they posted, why do you think it's not gonna change going forward? Your recent posts seem to be going through Kazyan's ISO, and judging by 679, you're still only on 92, which feels like a bit of an early call?

@Dwlee, what changed your mind on me? And on Kazyan, why not.

I mean I'm looking at their content now and tomorrow they'll have more of the same. It's helpful but I think the difference between a lurker as a potential wagon is larger between days 1 and 2 if that makes sense.

I think d1 is the easiest time to miselim someone just for lurking.

So how long has this leading wagon on Gramps been an ego push to punish his play over the last twenty four hours.

@Ythan, what prompted you to look at Kazyan's ISO in your 632-634?

You seem like you SR Kazyan consistently in your interactions with him but never push or vote there, only shade. Yet when Kazyan starts to become a wagon you make 1001, but you've said before youd sooner elim Kazyan or Grandpa before Enchant (a lurker). But also you want to elim Grandpa more than Kazyan you say. Kazyan is also softing a PR in 11v2. Surely that's not why you backed off?

I wanted to use some time to look at other slots and Kaz is first on the playerlist. Never got finished with him to move on to someone else. And no I didn't pick up on any softing, probably no point in pointing out where or what it is now either I would think.

[Ythan]

Okay I think I see it. That doesn't change anything.

[Ythan]

I just finished reading through his iso but, I need to go take a moment and look at something else. I need to just vote him at this point probably but I'll be up for quite some time and will be sure to do something before I go to bed.

[Ythan]

If we're going to have to actually hunt scum instead of relying on a cop/tracker/whatever to tell us who the bad guys are, I am worried.

Like is this genuine? I'm not in the headspace to judge this right now I just feel confirmation biased looking at the iso.

[Ythan]

Not like sitting on Gramps with DGB is doing any good now.

VOTE: Kazyan

That should be 4, or l-3

[Ythan]

Since I can't get into the game yet, I'll sheep the IC.

This is your 33rd post since replacing in today and it already felt fake before I checked that.

[Ythan]

34th actually I forgot how isos are numbered for a second.

[Ythan]

and that sucks too.

my god, this is a terrible wagon. you an't all be scum can you? if this wagon actually gets pushed over the line then i fully expect it to be 7 terrible, terrible votes

Maybe if you looked at more than five posts in this game you'd have some grasp of what was going on.

[Ythan]

Yeah, with Alice and geraintm being the only ones off of the leading two wagons, we're at an impasse. Anyone feel like switching?

Until I catch up, consider me on the largest wagon.

You are, actually.

[Ythan]

Who did you think you had moved your vote to?

[Ythan]

I wanted to be the hero.

[Ythan]

Morning friends.

[Ythan]

Gotta post here. Gonna try today.

[Ythan]

Sup looks like the day is over?

[Ythan]

Skimmed the day basically lemme grab a highlight or two in a second.

[Ythan]

did i not post here dammit

this was actually my watcher crumb lol

"did i not post here dammit" because i was distracted watching something.

This seems implausible.

[Ythan]

did i not post here dammit

this was actually my watcher crumb lol

"did i not post here dammit" because i was distracted watching something.

This seems implausible.

why so?

It looks like that is not a crumb.

[Ythan]

Hi friends.

[Ythan]

Hi friends.

Do you have opinions

Mafia is hard.

But for real I guess I'm gonna take a look at Gramps and then go from there.

[Ythan]

Ihdk. I have insights into Gramps claims I can't get into currently. I need to read.

[Ythan]

and will be believing it for the rest of the game.

This bit seems like a weird thing to tack on but I'm still not really sure how to interpret it.

[Ythan]

I've been super busy and am literally still at work again as I type this. I need to look at isos and stuff not just skim along and I'm gonna do that as soon as I have more than the briefest respite from that.

[Ythan]

Sorry

It's fine I didn't mean that to sound snappy.

[Ythan]

Digging the new avatar DGB.

[Ythan]

Digging the new avatar DGB.

I'm monkeying GiF & unwnd... I don't even know what it is!

I'm pretty confident it's a girl named Madotsuki from a game called Yume Nikki.

[Ythan]

Here goes

[Ythan]

Lol nah not a wall I don't ever do that for any reason.

[Ythan]

After the prod I read backwards at first so noticed Koba.

This is so weird to me it's never once occurred to me to read a game backward.

I want to take this back actually.

[Ythan]

Need to reread Kazyan's claims again at a (slightly) later moment.

[Ythan]

It's a reminder for myself!

[Ythan]

Oh I missed the third line I thought you were just okaying me.

[Ythan]

Which quickhammer exactly are you referring to?

[Ythan]

Thought so. Weird suggestion for you to make as soon as I start catching up when you specifically said you wanted to hear from me.

[Ythan]

Hey it's you I was just popping back up to vote you. Clown posting like that doesn't change my mind.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

[Ythan]

Dgb wagon is rank trash.

[Ythan]

Gera voting Nathan right now is equally ridiculous.

[Ythan]

I think my town lean pile is Andres and GrandpaMo.

Talk to me about GMo because I’m really struggling there.

gut feeling that scum wouldnt have blundered so badly the entire game. if they are scum, they won't be allowed to live to the end game. they relly don't need to be the focus today

So you have a gut feeling that the same player plays well as scum and blunders as town?

[Ythan]

I feel like I was pretty unclear there. It makes no sense to say a player is town because your gut feels like scum wouldn't blunder. Scum are assigned randomly and then players are gonna do what they're gonna do it's nonsensical for you to make this defense.

@my previous post

[Ythan]

8/9 consensus on Ythan being scum

Bold

[Ythan]

Now why would you try to cast things that way there are just SO many different possibilities.

[Ythan]

I do think it is possible that that is as far as you can tell. That's fine.

[Ythan]

I did seemingly nearly flake.

[Ythan]

Gera does not have much to say.

[Ythan]

Gera voting Nathan right now is equally ridiculous.

I think my town lean pile is Andres and GrandpaMo.

Talk to me about GMo because I’m really struggling there.

gut feeling that scum wouldnt have blundered so badly the entire game. if they are scum, they won't be allowed to live to the end game. they relly don't need to be the focus today

So you have a gut feeling that the same player plays well as scum and blunders as town?

I feel like I was pretty unclear there. It makes no sense to say a player is town because your gut feels like scum wouldn't blunder. Scum are assigned randomly and then players are gonna do what they're gonna do it's nonsensical for you to make this defense.

@my previous post

Some thoughts of mine.

[Ythan]

I'm saying your "gut feeling that scum wouldn't have blundered so badly" sounds like a made up take I can't see how you'd form legitimately. It doesn't make any sense to me and yet you said it.

[Ythan]

Like being arguably wrong is one thing but sharing reads that don't seem to have a basis in reality is suspicious.

[Ythan]

Speaking of Ythan, I'm not... impressed with his content since returning. The only actual stance I see is the GrandpaMo vote, almost everything else can be interpreted one way or another on how he's reading other people, in my opinion. Like, I can't tell if he Scumreads geraintm or just disagrees with him.

But GrandpaMo is equally being... Scummy right now, so what do I know.

I also find the content lacking driving reasons. Maybe I'm just bad at reading but why do you think grandpa is scum? @ythan

Firstly the two fake claims and I'm not sure what he was getting at with the first one but then transparently fishing for a real watcher after the second one. And most of his posts since the first one are just arguing about how he's town because of it.

[Ythan]

Kazyan is number two scum read.

[Ythan]

Dgb seems like town if either of those are right, or both but then it doesn't matter.

[Ythan]

Enchant and Gera are most likely candidates if I'm not spot on up top. And then everyone else is above that with me at the utmost summit.

[Ythan]

No I've been pointing out Kazyan reasons for a long time. Idk how far back relative to whatever he's said about me but, idk, nah it's not.

[Ythan]

bruh :/ thats kinda annoying.

I just noticed what page we're on.

[Ythan]

Must have accidentally hit q+ that wasn't in response to anything.

[Ythan]

Hype

[Ythan]

Yeah, Ythan has been scumreading me for basically this whole game.

I remembered this comment in a flash while smoking a cigarette don't you think I'm scum?

[Ythan]

Saying I scum read you implies that you don't.

[Ythan]

I'm not interested in correcting your word choice. I think it reflects your thoughts and that's what I'm commenting on.

[Ythan]

Morning friends.

VOTE: Kazyan

[Ythan]

I have regrets.

Morning friends.

VOTE: Kazyan

Are you two allergic to discussing your reads in any sort of depth?

I've been discussing Kazyan all game. If you have a question ask it.

[Ythan]

Not based on associatives I just have two next best guesses in Enchant and Gera.

[Ythan]

The idea that you can apply not-hammering-in-lylo logic before lylo is garbage.

[Ythan]

I've been discussing Kazyan all game. If you have a question ask it.

Quit squawking.

[Ythan]

And before you say it "why do you think he's scum" is a stupid meaningless followup question.

[Ythan]

Like, I currently have literally zero idea why you're voting Kazyan. And maybe that's on me. Maybe. But you could help me out and try to actually convince me on why they're Scum?

Bah not making my posts twice literally use the damn iso function.

[Ythan]

Nah*

[Ythan]

I laugh outright at the notion that explaining reasons for a scumread is pointless in a game of Mafia, from a person with a 2009 join date. Enchant, are you seeing this?

Insipid garbage shade from scum.

[Ythan]

I apologize for my curtness today, I have been in a extremely sour mood. I'll try to get back into this tomorrow.

[Ythan]

a

internal seething

[Ythan]

Wow Dwlee is the shit.

[Ythan]

Thanks mod! Go Dwlee!!