Well this means 1 of 2 things. Either NM is Scum with Egix, or NM and Egix are both Town. Pretty sure I am leaning the former.
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Mix up basic logic. Never was a deductive thinker.In post 1896, LicketyQuickety wrote:Well this means 1 of 2 things. Either NM is Scum with Egix, or NM and Egix are both Town. Pretty sure I am leaning the former.
It means either Egix and NM are both Scum or NM is Scum and Egix is Town or they are both Mafia.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I should have just stoped when I gave my solve.In post 1897, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Mix up basic logic. Never was a deductive thinker.In post 1896, LicketyQuickety wrote:Well this means 1 of 2 things. Either NM is Scum with Egix, or NM and Egix are both Town. Pretty sure I am leaning the former.
It means either Egix and NM are both Scum or NM is Scum and Egix is Town or they are both Mafia.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I don't think that is a bad solve at all.In post 1899, DArby wrote:
Egix and NM cannot be scum together.In post 1896, LicketyQuickety wrote:Well this means 1 of 2 things. Either NM is Scum with Egix, or NM and Egix are both Town. Pretty sure I am leaning the former.
I said it earlier but I think it holds up still. Scum can only come from one of {StD, LQ, D'Arby} and {Egix, NM}. I don't think any other combination is possible.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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That there is a Scum in StD/DArby and Egix/NM. I remember the post you made about that. Sorry for getting paranoid about you earlier. I had to be sure.In post 1902, DArby wrote:
Wdym by "that"?In post 1900, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I don't think that is a bad solve at all.In post 1899, DArby wrote:
Egix and NM cannot be scum together.In post 1896, LicketyQuickety wrote:Well this means 1 of 2 things. Either NM is Scum with Egix, or NM and Egix are both Town. Pretty sure I am leaning the former.
I said it earlier but I think it holds up still. Scum can only come from one of {StD, LQ, D'Arby} and {Egix, NM}. I don't think any other combination is possible.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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When you owned up to getting worked up about being pressured, that was what sealed the deal for me TRing you.In post 1905, DArby wrote:I'm never opposed to being scrutinized. It's part of the game and all.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I can't believe you are doubling down on this.In post 1907, Not_Mafia wrote:
No they are completely different, night specific is very simple and has a clear use in the balance of the set-up, the role works on those night and the back-up is there in case the role gets eliminated d1.In post 1883, LicketyQuickety wrote:
LOL. This is a really terrible argument.In post 1862, Not_Mafia wrote:Plus night specific is different to X-shot
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Back-up X-shot could be implemented multiple ways and has no standardisation anywhere that we can see. Plus if we go off the wiki definition, DArby would have his own 2 shots, essentially giving us a 4-shot detective, split across two player slots in an 11p. This is not balanced and would not be approved by the NRG for multiple reasons
In the case a 2-Shot goes down N1 it's literally the same exact thing as a night-specific. The game in question is a N1/N2 and I was a backup WITH NO QUALIFICATIONS of N1/N2. It would actually be BETTER if the role died there because then I would have gotten to use the ability every night.
You're right that there's no standardization of X-shot backup, but it's the exact same for night specific.
And irt getting 4 shots, that's actually not true because, for example, we don't know if T3 actually used any of their shots or who they were on. So you can't say it's 4 full shots because this game demonstrates that we don't actually know anything about T3's invests. And Darby clearly said in the same post they claimed that they were 2-Shot. That's exactly what I would expect in this setup if DArby's claim is legit.
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for now and give you a chance to give your own setup spec for this game. Like what do you think is realistic for PRs for this game? What are you thinking with Traitor? Or do you think it's just 2 Group Scum? Like, 2 TPRs with a backup seems very reasonable in a 2 Group Scum with a Traitor. So what setup are you seeing here?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I mean, this looks like it could be an invest?In post 912, T3 wrote:
Darby is townIn post 903, DArby wrote:
Reasons.In post 838, Enchant wrote:
Why not?In post 831, DArby wrote:
I don’t trust this.In post 813, Pan Smierc wrote:I was the target of the neighborizor btwI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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You were literally there after the hammer. You even made this passing comment like you thought Gamma was Town, which, all things considered, was really freaking weird.In post 1867, DArby wrote:Oh also, thinking about it more, if I was scum, wouldn’t I want to be here more during d2? If my partner or whatever is getting pushed hard, wouldn’t I want to either give myself towncred or try and defend her? I’d be able to tell in the scum PT that something was wrong, and in normal circumstances I’m not that passive of a player. Scum!me doesn’t make that much sense.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Like, this and other interactions like it between DArby and Pan just give me the creeps. You sort of pull this gentle sort of killing you with kindness thing and it's just weird.In post 932, DArby wrote:
I said I don't trust you. That has nothing to do with my read on you. Please calm down while I read through d2.In post 893, Pan Smierc wrote:StD why do I keep you Darby and LQ alive?
This Day you have been totally different. I call that a change in narrative and IMO it's a reason to SR you based on play.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Based on a light meta dive of Darby, I sorta feel like they are Town here.
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I have a post cooked up in my drafts but I'm waiting to see what NM has to say in response to my last interaction with them.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... t_Specific
But in one angle I can see is that 2-Shot Detective might want to use their actions N2+. But if that is the case, then what if it's possible that the Mafia Informed knew of a Detective in the game? If so it would mean that Gamma would be doing all the NKs since they were under heavy suspicion. It would be a move that doesn't make intuitive sense because you wouldn't actually want to get a guilty on one of your Scum buddies. But this can still be accounted for with a planned bus on Gamma. But then you risk the last Group Scum to get investigated given you haven't killed Detective yet. But the Enchant NK seems to be a PR hunt. Somehow Scum figured out who isn't PR? I was obvious, but what about StD? Or Pan? T3 I supposed was easy enough to spot as PR given 912.For roles that players will want to use immediately, 1-Shot is very close to Night 1 in effect (and 2-Shot to Night 1,2).
If Detective gets a guilty, but then Town has a backup Detective, then that is kinda ???
NM's take on Detective isn't as bad as I originally thought. Because Detective is just a less powerful cop in this setup.
Okay, say DArby's claim is BS. Town has 2 PRs. Is it enough for there to just be an Informed Group Scum of what the roles in the game are? 2 TPRs vs 1 SPR? The setup is 11 Players. 2 Scum seems viable with low TPRs.
So the question of DArby's claim is really about whether there is a Traitor in the game or not. A Detective can get a false negative on a Traitor, so it would be possible for there to be a Backup Detective I think in that case. We can't assume Informed Mafia flipping D2 is "Normal" for the setup. We have to go based on the average setup, not what happens to happen in this particular game of this setup.
DArby's claim is suicide if they are the last Group Scum with no Traitor. However, if thereisa Traitor, then DArby's claim makes more sense.
Okay, clearly I have some ISO's to do.
And ISO's are roughly done at this point. I think all things considered, the team is just NM/StD.
Egix holding off on Limming NM is a good look. I think given the setup spec talk and how Backup Detective is just as viable as not makes me want to read DArby as Town. And DArby is pretty Townie based on Meta and based on having some really Townie sounding reactions.
If I get snowed by voting NM here, well, NM should participate more to make themselves more readable over the course of the game. His angle that DArby's claim HAS to be BS is pretty much proven untrue at this point. I stick by my original statement that NM doubling down on this probably just means they are desperate Scum.
Anyways, I've given way too many different takes on this game. If it's not clear I can't be teamed with anyone you need your head examined (Sorry Egix, but you really are tin foiling on me atp because both StD and yourself also have bad things surrounding Gamma.)I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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He's V/LA atm. Because of the weekend, I think.In post 1922, DArby wrote:I will be so mad if StD needs to be replaced it’s almost been the 48.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Egix not getting that I couldn't make more believable distancing with Gamma if I wanted to is something they need to consider because my distancing act with Roden in the newbie we played together is partially why Roden was able to carry it home for Scum after I get Limmed D1. Roden is a competent Scum player, but they wouldn't have been able to do it if I had bad interactions with them.
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That means Scum have 2 PRs. Else, You are assuming Town have a low utility role and a less powerful cop that isn't guaranteed to actually get even and Inno at this point. The detective role kinda sucks. It can only get guilties and that's only if they are right about who performed the NK. But why Detective here? Why not Follower, Tracker, Watcher, heck even motion detector could arguably be better than Detective here. Why Detective here? Why 2-Shot?In post 1927, Not_Mafia wrote:
The point is the N1/N2 Neighbouriser serves a very clear and specific purpose; to make a neighbourhood early in the game, the back-up is insurance. Neighbourhoods are of very little utility. This is not comparable to what we have here, we (allegedly) have a detective split across two player slots, with either two scum or two scum + traitor, this is STRONGER than a full detective in this set-up as even if scum manage to kill the detective early, they now have the back-up to deal with and with just two scum capable of killing plus no false positives. This is an apples and oranges comparisonIn post 1908, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I can't believe you are doubling down on this.In post 1907, Not_Mafia wrote:
No they are completely different, night specific is very simple and has a clear use in the balance of the set-up, the role works on those night and the back-up is there in case the role gets eliminated d1.In post 1883, LicketyQuickety wrote:
LOL. This is a really terrible argument.In post 1862, Not_Mafia wrote:Plus night specific is different to X-shot
VOTE: NM
Back-up X-shot could be implemented multiple ways and has no standardisation anywhere that we can see. Plus if we go off the wiki definition, DArby would have his own 2 shots, essentially giving us a 4-shot detective, split across two player slots in an 11p. This is not balanced and would not be approved by the NRG for multiple reasons
In the case a 2-Shot goes down N1 it's literally the same exact thing as a night-specific. The game in question is a N1/N2 and I was a backup WITH NO QUALIFICATIONS of N1/N2. It would actually be BETTER if the role died there because then I would have gotten to use the ability every night.
You're right that there's no standardization of X-shot backup, but it's the exact same for night specific.
And irt getting 4 shots, that's actually not true because, for example, we don't know if T3 actually used any of their shots or who they were on. So you can't say it's 4 full shots because this game demonstrates that we don't actually know anything about T3's invests. And Darby clearly said in the same post they claimed that they were 2-Shot. That's exactly what I would expect in this setup if DArby's claim is legit.
But I'll
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for now and give you a chance to give your own setup spec for this game. Like what do you think is realistic for PRs for this game? What are you thinking with Traitor? Or do you think it's just 2 Group Scum? Like, 2 TPRs with a backup seems very reasonable in a 2 Group Scum with a Traitor. So what setup are you seeing here?
At the minute I think there's just two group scum, there just being two scum explains a lot; the inability to get an elimination or clear consensus here and that I only really have an active scumread on DArby. Plus it's a good play for DArby here to claim Detective, claim a dubious role but skate by on being a PR and come in to tomorrow with a BS guilty, giving him the ability to control the 1v1.
Don't you think it is suicide for DArby to claim here as the last Group Scum?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Want to see what StD does I guess? IDK this game is too hard for me.In post 1938, DArby wrote:Why?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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If you are telling the truth, I'm probably dead tonight.In post 1961, Not_Mafia wrote:I was town, elim DArby tomorrow, don’t believe whatever nonsense he comes out with tomorrowI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Confused. What does this role actually check?In post 1966, lendunistus wrote:Not_Mafiahas been eliminated. Their role was…
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Great RL, tbqh. And on D1 to boot. WPWP.
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