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[Natalya]

VOTE: Scorpius

First scumread! So exciting!

[Natalya]

I like Andante Andre and Retti so far.

[Natalya]

hmm fua also might be scum

that's two scumreads!

[Natalya]

How are you forming these scumreads? or are they not genuine

also, I read fua's name as "Fun" in my mind, so high chance I don't lim fua today. just saying

I disliked Scorp's RVS vote the most!

[Natalya]

I bet we have a mailman this game who is the most fun person here.... so far all yall are boring

What should we be talking about instead? Half the people in this game haven't even checked in yet.

This feels like something a mafia would say

[Natalya]

Andy we can be besties

help me wagon Scorpy

it will be fun

and he might even be mafia!

[Natalya]

ehhh what makes you not like Scorp's? I think scorp's is fine, everyone after is kinda excessive to me

the reason felt icky

[Natalya]

pushing someone is a good way to sort them!

[Natalya]

I have doubts that we will get something useful out of T3

[Natalya]

I have never seen T3 before but I know he has a reputation for being crazy

[Natalya]

I mean, so far I'm liking Natalya, not gonna lie

I am too, I really like that opening, even if I was the random target.

It wasn't random... I really thought your openly line felt scummy :[

[Natalya]

This is the first time I’ve ever been scum read for my RVS vote.

Thanks for making me feel special <3

[Natalya]

I am still voting for him!

[Natalya]

I mean, so far I'm liking Natalya, not gonna lie

I am too, I really like that opening, even if I was the random target.

This feels like a weird thing for him to say given how many questions he has posed towards me.

I'm not sure what the point of him questioning me is if he thinks I'm town.

[Natalya]

His mindset doesn't make sense to me.

The questions he asks on page 3/4 don't feel like they are intended to catch mafia or really progress the game state in a pro-town direction

[Natalya]

I also agree with T3’s sentiments on Scorpious for now. The reaction to a scumread based on one post seems a little too defensive, but it’s not enough for me to fully scumread them at the moment.

It was the carry over. And the insistence. Naturally I’m going to question play I’ve never seen before.

This explanation for why he's questioning me is just ??

Like it feels so explainy.

"naturally I would do this" is not really a good reason to do anything ?

It's hard for me to see why he's interested in the answers to the questions he is asking.

[Natalya]

I don't see how Scorp is really doing things to solve/hunt for mafia

He seems more concerned with defending himself from something that he sees as fairly frivolous and pointless.

I don't really see why that would be his main concern if he thinks this is just an RVS thing with really no substance to it?

[Natalya]

I don't really want this game to be dominated by me pushing him; I would like other people to be involved and do things so I will shut up for a while ^_^

[Natalya]

I mean, so far I'm liking Natalya, not gonna lie

I am too, I really like that opening, even if I was the random target.

This feels like a weird thing for him to say given how many questions he has posed towards me.

I'm not sure what the point of him questioning me is if he thinks I'm town.

I agree with this and the subsequent posts.
VOTE: Scorpious

This might be the worst post of the game.

It's somewhat weird for you to believe this but not vote for him.

[Natalya]

I think Natalya probably has ~sincere conviction~ or whatever in her Scorp read, I just don't really think I see it, the questions he asked her are just asking her to explain her reads, which isn't exactly screaming "scum" to me. His response is weird but I would agree with Oman's assessment at the end of 115 that the votes on Scorp after Natalya look opportunistic in nature, which has me not wanting to go in that direction.

A thing that confuses me is that Retti/Oman believe the latter voters on the Scorp wagon to be opportunistic in nature but their votes are on T3, who is not voting for Scorp.

[Natalya]

Ok who do you scumread on the Scorp wagon?

[Natalya]

How so? I’m not going to vote someone every time they do something I don’t like..

How do you view this post?

I think it makes sense for town!you to vote for someone if you think they made "the worst post of the game" rather than keep your vote on your RVS which means really nothing.

The fact that you don't really see your vote as a tool to pressure/attack people that you suspect makes me think you are not very interested in scumhunting.

[Natalya]

~*hugs duckie*~

[Natalya]

I just like cute animals

I don't think I'm familiar with most of the people in this player list even on my main account.

I'm sorry you feel that I'm bullying you in a cliquish way, I really didn't intend to do that.

[Natalya]

Uhh what? you SR someone for not voting? I mean, my method of scumhunting doesn't typically involve talking with my vote? Like, engaging with people and talking to them is better than just a simple (Vote X)

I think when people's vote movement deviates from their stance in thread that it's a scumtell.

Because a vote is something that's important for a town player as it's the only thing we have to use to find the scum so we tend to use it liberally and slap people around with it.

Whereas a vote is something that's scary to use for a scum player as it leaves a trail of evidence that the town can later use to decipher your intentions etc if you are found out.

I'm saying that I think it's more likely Scorp is scum because he didn't use his vote to express his opinion, rather he kept his vote on his RVS instead.

I think Egix would be a great place to vote for pressure and to get more information as he hasn't really posted very much : )

[Natalya]

I kind of like Duckie tho.

Azaa I think you would look better with a nice avatar of some kind !

[Natalya]

I kind of like Duckie tho.

Ok, please tell me what you like about duckie though, that is related to this game

He feels inquisitive and carefree.

[Natalya]

were you worried I would talk about his cute fuzzy beak?

[Natalya]

I also agree with T3’s sentiments on Scorpious for now. The reaction to a scumread based on one post seems a little too defensive, but it’s not enough for me to fully scumread them at the moment.

It was the carry over. And the insistence. Naturally I’m going to question play I’ve never seen before.

i feel really good about andante and retti. i think that andante's replies really confused me in my last game read-wise. i spent a long time thinking about what alignment they came from but these posts here give me an immediate townread on her. retti just feels so towny especially with pointing out that they liked my posts. i dont think this type of nuance is fakable. im now sure that it is play style but they just happened to post something before i said anything (turn this situation around and retti would townread me back) but it's just not nuance that scum can typically fake. i could go on but i dont think there's a need because i feel very solid on both of these reads.

sorting through recent posts,
i want to say votes dont make my reads spicier but honestly, they probably do but it's not very nice to force people to talk like that. there's plenty of other ways to deal with someone who isn't even a solid scum read. in general, i find the worst scummy but i dont feel like the solve is that easy. it makes more sense to me that they are just scummy town but im not convinced of that completely. about being noncommittal, sure i'll take that. i dont like being too committal and it loses me reads that are correct and saves me from tunneling the wrong people. it sucks in a lot of ways but it's how i play.

i take back my town lean on oman because im now convinced that their posts could easily be fakable. theres a level of nuance that i townread but im certain now that it's fakable. oman could still be town but im not giving out a town pass for it.

half of me wants to say egix is town but the other half wants to say he is scum. i really like tvt/tvs type reads but honestly, they aren't alignment indicative. in general, i like how calm and composed they are because it feels towny but i also know it comes from scum more often. im having difficulty figuring out what my read is and whether it's being affected by the large amount of scumreads there. in the past minute, my read has flipped twice on egix and that's part of why i dont know what my read is at all. the recent flip flips to scum but that will probably flip a couple more times before settling down.

These two posts are not "explainy" in the same way Scorp.

[Natalya]

How are they different? In your view.

Your post feels like you are overexplaining something that you are worried might look scummy.

Aza's post feels like Aza is explaining Aza's reads and thoughts about players and how Aza came to these conclusions by explaining the thought process behind the reads.

[Natalya]

Like you're basically saying. My reaction is because I haven't been pushed like this before so naturally I am going to react this way.

There's no content value there - you would defend yourself this way as scum as well right?


Whereas Aza is writing out Aza's thought process on why Aza has particular reads and that feels more solvy/moving the game forward like Aza is actively figuring out who is good/bad.

[Natalya]

Scorp,

I'd like to apologize to you if you think I'm being overly hard/tunnely towards you. I have an unfortunate habit of bothering people until they give me what I want. My boyfriend calls it "clingy" but I'd like to think I'm just determined.

As you're not really doing what I expect you to be doing as town and I'd like to help you break out of that funk, could you please do me a favor and do some kind of reads list when you have a chance? It doesn't have to be sorted by towniness, just a few sentences on what you think of each player so far. If you don't have the time to do everyone I'd like you to just post a few reads on people in the game.

I don't want your experience to be bad and I do truly feel awful for being so pushy early in the day.

[Natalya]

Please read my voice as Jon Dimaggio’s..

Thank you

This is the best thing you've posted so far this game! <3

[Natalya]

Natalya, I'm concerned you're still sitting on the Scorp wagon. You seem pretty sharp and have been well engaged with the game so far. Are you still committed to that vote?

I'll be honest the only thing he's done so far to make me think about unvoting him is talking about how he has a deep voice like Joe DiMaggio.

[Natalya]

I would legit actually just replace out at that point. This game is so frustrating. Andante doesn't read stuff, half the town isn't posting anything, and there's so much "tee hee, just trust me, k" reductive trash going on from those that are around.

We have more than six days left and it's just day one, I don't think you should get too fustrated yet.

Just relax and take it at your own pace. Games are somewhat more spammy in places and lurky in others.

Focus on sorting a few slots at a time, you don't need to have a conversation with everyone at once.

Andante is somewhat hyper by nature, but she is that way as both alignments so it's not very alignment indicative.

[Natalya]

I guess the thing you are not used to is that there is a lot more posting but a lot less content so it's more frustrating and tiring to get to the good parts.

I think if you take it easy and don't stress too much you'll find the game more enjoyable.

[Natalya]

Well Andante is from EM so she has a different playstyle that's more spammy i guess?

She's extremely nice and I'm fairly sure she doesn't mean it in a disrespectful manner.

I think we'll have plenty of activity in D1 actually, there have been a decent number of reps and I think we're on a decent pace.

[Natalya]

unvote

I'm not really comfortable ending the day this early.

What information do you think we would get from you Scorp if we were to flip you here?

[Natalya]

VOTE: Scorp
claim please

Do you really think it's possible a TPR posts the message you responded to?

[Natalya]

At this point you all should probably just lim me and use the information from my train.

I ask questions, they’re the wrong questions..

I post reads.they’re the “wrong” reads.

Kinda over it, honestly. Just let the scum team lim me. I’m losing interest.

I feel kind of bad that you feel this way regardless of your alignment.

I don't want you to not have fun but what you're doing currently is not very helpful for solving or advancing game state for the town.

That doesn't mean you necessarily have to be eliminated here because it's not impossible for someone who is not as familiar with how games work to be completely lost - I was also similarly lost at one point.

We still have a number of days left and I think we can try again if you're feeling up to it? You can take a bit of a break and hopefully you will feel better about giving it another try.

If you're town I do want to figure this out. Sorry again for making this quite unpleasant.

[Natalya]

I'm fairly sure Oman is town.

Reading their posts they feel genuinely upset that large portions of the player list are not posting and resigned to town apathy possibly destroying the chances of town winning this game.

They haven't played on the site for a while and they come from a time when lurking was actually quite an issue for town win rates so I think this mindset probably is not faked.

It's not like 100% but they're one of my more confident townreads atp for what it's worth.

[Natalya]

I mean, the fact that someone that has said 30 words this game used words #28 and #29 to put me on e-1 should raise alarm bells, no?

I think it's cute you counted how many words dwlee has posted

are you going to vote for them?

[Natalya]

I already unvoted so he is at E-2 atp.

I don't think anyone should put him back at E-1 since we are still days away from deadline.

[Natalya]

This is the most gunshy I’ve ever been to post, vote, do anything. I feel like EVERY single thing I write is being just shredded and comes out the other end as me being scum, which is bullshit, because I can’t get any traction on anything.

You know if you weren't so shy about using your vote to do things you wouldn't actually be so scumread right?

Like voting for people you suspect is kind of how we play this game...

[Natalya]

Fua is a great example here.
Dude has ripped everything I write. Like, he’s spent the entire game just dumping on me.

I don't think this is a fair characterization of Fua but I should probably re-read to be sure.

from my memory I remembered Fua was kind of trying to help you get more into the game and almost kind of trying to teach you how to play.

Also Fua's pronoun is "they" and not "he".

I know you can feel that way but sometimes people really are genuinely trying to help you.

[Natalya]

dwlee-scum really is that obvious

[Natalya]

Do you really think they have taken a “helpful” tone?

yes

for example:

I'll ask again. Do you have any reads or takes on the game that don't involve you being upset at people scumreading you?

this is them telling you what you need to do to not be scum-read/pushed...

[Natalya]

Look if someone hammered there without claim that's basically a scum claim so I'm really not pressed about it, no matter how you feel about putting someone at e-1

I mean you've played in games where people have hammered e-1s early and then repeatedly so I don't really think town!you is this cavalier about it.

[Natalya]

VOTE: Dwlee99

[Natalya]

so you think that lurking is not an issue anymore? because i think that scum win way more often when town is not that active.

It was much more of an issue back when he played.

[Natalya]

*They* played sorry

[Natalya]

dwlee-scum really is that obvious

Meta and on an alt? Double strike, be careful for the third pitch

I am replying to Scorp saying that he is townreading you for being "too obvious"

My point is that it is a bad reason to townread you because I've seen you be extremely obvious scum in the past.

Do you disagree on that being a bad reason to townread you?

[Natalya]

I also think Oman is town but for like, slightly different reasons. I'm also quite scared of them. World build with me for a sec right. If Oman is scum who's putting more effort into this than half the town and people are just literally not paying attention to the spectacular web they're weaving -- do you not think they'd still be upset? Is there something about their emotional rxn which strikes you as significantly more likely to come from town?

It rings as genuine frustration to me. I'm not sure exactly why I think that, just reading what they write down, I have a strong sense of empathy with them that it's what they truly feel and not just an act.

[Natalya]

I agree. Why does that only come from town?

In the old meta I believe they just let the lurking keep going if they are mafia

[Natalya]

I don’t think it’s fair to call it a “bad reason”. You are basing that off of meta that I don’t have.

Saying it is a bad reason is not a criticism of you, I am saying that because I have been suspicious of dwlee for a while even before they put you at E-1 because of the lack of activity and solving intent and what has generally felt like scum complacency from their part, I chose not to push them to give them more time to get into this game, the way they tried to e-1 you made me feel queasy and begin to push them now rather than wait for later. I know you don't have the same level of experience with dwlee that I do so it wouldn't be fair for me to expect you to come up with that read, I say it's a bad read not because I think you are a bad player but because I want you to consider dwlee-scum a real possibility.

[Natalya]

Dwlee why do you want to kill T3 again?

[Natalya]

ok that's funny but why do you think T3 is mafia this game? Or do you just not care and this is a policy vote for you?

[Natalya]

I think t3 will do alignment indicative things if we wagon him, but also, I think he is mildly scummy

ok which things has he done that make you think this?

[Natalya]

Kinda how he pushed Scorpius maybe

what did you not like about it?

[Natalya]

Kinda how he pushed Scorpius maybe

I have trouble with your thoughts on why you voted for T3 because approx 5 minutes after T3 push-voted Scorp to E-2, you followed up and put Scorp on E-1 so it's kind of weird that you would sheep T3 on Scorp and then turn around and vote T3 for how he pushed Scorp. It feels like your progression is not well thought out and you are kind of opportunistic in how you vote for players you think are easier to elim.

[Natalya]

I think dueling wagons on UD/Dwlee are fine imo.

I vastly prefer Dwlee at this point, I can't really see them as town currently.

[Natalya]

Natalya will probably say "I played with you x months ago, it was different"

Yea, my playstyle is always changing based on energy level and commitment to a game and enjoyment and playerlist and the amount of chicken I ate this month

But Natalya can make this argument with zero risk because there's no one to check they've even had experience with me as both alignments in the first place

They can just wave their hands in the air on my flip and be all Pikachu face like oh nooo how could I see this coming

If you believe I'm just making up meta experience with you, why wouldn't you ask me to cite an example then?

[Natalya]

Ok, so I will say that I wanted to explain more on that cause I was mobile, and mobile is a pain, I didn't realize Natalya unvoted, and I was like "I KNOW NATALYA IS VOTING, WHY IS SHE NOT TAKING HER VOTE OFF???" I don't think maf would be bold enough to put on e-1 and go "claim" that early, so I'm pretty sure dwlee town, but T-3 there, I SR T3 a lot. like "oh hey im putting you e-2 lol" immediately after egix stuff.

I hate this so much because you just finished a game with scum!dwlee where scum!dwlee puts a town player at e-1 for a weird/bad reason on d1.

also similarly dwlee is not solving and barely playing after repping in.

viewtopic.php?t=88203&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

This is the iso for reference ^ the 14th post in this ISO is Dwlee putting Gamma at E-1 on D1 when Gamma is town. Look at the posts before Post 14, very little solving intent.

[Natalya]

I'd presume that would out your alt but feel free if you want to

Why are you even playing dumb and pretending you didn't do this when you just did this?

[Natalya]

I'm not playing dumb. I assumed you wouldn't cite anything to avoid outing your alt

??

how does this even make sense?


why would I care more about people knowing my main than actually catching scum?

[Natalya]

T3 wtf

That's e-1 btw

it is e-2

retti voted somewhere else I believe.

[Natalya]

Why is this what you want to talk about

when you state things that don't make sense I will call you out for it because I think you are mafia.

[Natalya]

which of your posts b4 you put scorp at e-1 is "solving" ?

[Natalya]

are you going to explain why?

[Natalya]

Gonna assume that means you were here and ignoring 684 and 685

I don't see the point in getting into a back and forth with you where you try to muddy the waters with nonsense to take advantage of town apathy, I have already addressed your "meta-case" remark previously.

[Natalya]

Your case on me is "you E-1'd someone as scum shortly after replace in" like that is a case at all

Meta is bad, especially if you aren't even going to look at any town games

This is just a strawman.

I have already addressed this before.

You repeating this means you are doing this performatively to try to spam the thread.

[Natalya]

viewtopic.php?t=88034&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

This is a trust fall game that was already solved before you replaced into it

[Natalya]

Or I think your case is shit

cause it is

I don't particularly care what you think of my case

[Natalya]

Like I read it enough to know that

I solved ydrasse town

Using that as a counter example is pretty bad misrep.

[Natalya]

They are not actively solving, they seem to be moving their vote from wagon to wagon based on who is easiest to kill/where the momentum is moving.

the progression from sheeping T3 by putting Scorp at E-1 and then voting T3 for T3's vote/push on Scorp is particularly egregious in terms of not making any sense.

They then moved off T3 before T3 even responded to vote for UglyDuck.

[Natalya]

When confronted with this, they are defending by strawmanning the case against them by reducing it to "meta bad" when they know there's more to it then this.

Their defensive responses feel pointless except to thread-spam and make things look unreadable.

There's no real curiosity behind their questions, most of them seem designed to combat/fight off the push.

They have not expressed strong preference for UD or made a strong case for elimming UD because I don't think they are actually that interested in anything other than survival.

[Natalya]

Actually that's not even anywhere close to a strawman, you're full of shit

When you reduce a case down to "meta bad" when it's mostly about your actions this game, it's the definition of a strawman.

[Natalya]

You cited ONE scum game, NO town games, to say something I do is scum-indicative. That's bad, even for how bad meta already is by default.

This is literally not what I did.

Someone said they townread you for something you did this game.

I disagreed with that townread and cited a case when you did it as scum as a counterexample.

So at best the thing they are townreading you for is NAI as you have exhibited this behavior in the past.

[Natalya]

But anyway, that's your case, and when I challenge it you just ignore me and claim I'm spamming and have "already addressed" it. No you haven't, your meta argument is dog water

I literally addressed it here:

dwlee-scum really is that obvious

Meta and on an alt? Double strike, be careful for the third pitch

I am replying to Scorp saying that he is townreading you for being "too obvious"

My point is that it is a bad reason to townread you because I've seen you be extremely obvious scum in the past.

Do you disagree on that being a bad reason to townread you?

I have made it clear to you I am not casing you off meta. I am simply rejecting the townread that Scorp threw at you for doing something that I have seen you do in the past as scum.

You literally replied to this post.

So you know I am not casing you off Meta. But you continue to lie and say I am casing you off Meta.

[Natalya]

this was AFTER I said you couldn't cite your meta on me

And then you cited that and said "oh why would you think I wouldn't cite my meta !!"

Okay so did you cite your meta or did you not?

Me citing meta has nothing to do with whether I believe you are scum off meta.

this argument is completely pointless and I'm fairly sure only scum!you would pursue this angle to try to make the thread unreadable.

I will no longer be speaking to you.

[Natalya]

hmm

that came out harsher and meaner than I would've liked

I do not appreciate you trying to make this conversation emotionally charged by using the type of language you used with me.

I will respond to you in 24-36 hours depending on if I am feeling better about it. If what you post is more nonsense I will not bother responding to it because I don't think it would be healthy for the thread.

I strongly believe you are mafia who is trying to make this 1v1 look unreadable to an apathetic town that is barely participating.

It is a smart tactical play on your part if you want to survive.

[Natalya]

Good night Dwlee

[Natalya]

That game was not the same at all lol E-1ing gamma there versus here. Gamma and Scorp are no where near the same...

@Andante I still would like to know why you think this is completely different from Dwlee scum e1ing Gamma in PYP.

[Natalya]

That game was not the same at all lol E-1ing gamma there versus here. Gamma and Scorp are no where near the same...

@Andante I still would like to know why you think this is completely different from Dwlee scum e1ing Gamma in PYP.

the e-1 was day 2 yes?

day 1 gamma selfvoted and day 2 I believe gamma also selfvoted, gamma's behavior was much different than scorp here

The e-1 was on D1 after Gamma flailed and self-voted.

It is also similar to how Scorp is playing this game.

[Natalya]

ok, after gamma flailed and selfvoted... you don't see the difference in gamma/scorp?

They both had a self-centered flaily approach to this game.

The post right b4 dlee voted for Scorp felt similar to Gamma's approach to that game.

I think there are lots of parallels.

Regardless, I don't see why you think Dwlee's E-1 vote is clearing here if they did a similar move in a completed game with you when they were mafia.

What makes it clearing in this situation? Specifically what is the difference between Gamma/Scorp that makes it so that Dwlee E-1ing Scorp means Dwlee is town?

[Natalya]

I’ll have a Scum in the next 5 hours.

I guess we can all sheep Andres when he's done catching a scum for us

[Natalya]

I tr Oman and I think dwlee is mafia.

[Natalya]

I don't read people off of the vibe they give when they defend themselves. I read them based on what is their goal and what are they doing to advance their goal. I have a hard time believing dwlee's goal is to kill mafia.

[Natalya]

I have thoughts but I think there is no point to post them.

[Natalya]

We get it you think I'm scum still

this is a weird thought from you if you think I am mafia.

[Natalya]

it is also weird if you think you hammered a mafia

[Natalya]

it is like you do these weird scummy things and nobody cares so either this town is just going to get run over by scum!you or I am wrong and you are town and scum don't want to elim you for whatever reason.

either way I think it is disheartening.

I hope you are town.

[Natalya]

you hammered aza 3 minutes after their VT claim and didn't give anyone else a chance to respond or react to it.

Do you have a reason for this?

Are you certain aza is mafia?

[Natalya]

VOTE: Dwlee99

[Natalya]

How in the actual world was aza town... like there genuinely wasn't a single towny thing in that ISO...

This is not true at all and also pointless to discuss

[Natalya]

VOTE: t3
I hammered cause I didn't want a repeat of last mini normal where we hopped around like hell before deadline on a VT claim I think is scum

you hammered minutes after a claim because you didn't want to lose the mislim and you didn't want people to have a chance to respond to it.

you did it because you are mafia and you think you can get away with quickhammering.

you are probably right about being able to get away with quickhammering.

[Natalya]

if you look at dwlee's iso from day 1

their vote moves between four people : Scorp, T3, Aza, UD.

There's no actual thought process behind it except this person is easy to kill because this person is an LHF.

Upon seeing Aza/UD both flip town, dwlee just goes for T3.

This is just someone who has 0 respect for the town and thinks they can just shitpush multiple mislims because they think this town is quite bad at the game.

So either we elim Dwlee here or just lose. Either way make it quick please.

[Natalya]

If I were a vig I would vig you tonight

If I was a vig I would've vig'd you last night

[Natalya]

Unless I'm partnered with t3 there isn't scum motivation in hammering there so f off

this is just not true

if the votes move to you you die so there is plenty of motivation to quickhammer

[Natalya]

i hope you are a vig so i dont have to play anymore

[Natalya]

That'd be more fun for the both of us for sure

this is tmi-ing me as town

i don't know how much more obvious it can be that dwlee is mafia

also I'm pretty sure andante is also mafia

[Natalya]

you are not enchant, you play nothing like enchant... using enchant quickhammering as an excuse is just ???

can you even show me a game where you quickhammer on day 1 minutes after a claim where you are town? you have plenty of completed games on this site right?

we had an entire day+ before deadline

you hammered aza MINUTES after aza claimed, giving nobody a chance to even react to aza's claim/ate.

and also

when did you even begin to suspect aza of being mafia ? That's not clear at all from your iso, walk me through your mindset and why you decided you needed to kill aza right there and then.

[Natalya]

Would you have changed your vote based on the claim alone?

I never voted for Aza

[Natalya]

I mean I've probably done it before? Maybe? As I said, I thought aza was doing the exact thing that iv did and went okay hammer button time.

I am asking you for an example of a time where town!you decided to quickhammer someone right after they claimed to cut day short and not let anyone else react to the claim.

In my opinion that is a strictly +++scum move.

If you have an example of you ever doing this as town, then obviously it's not a scumclaim as it's something you've done before as town.

[Natalya]

I mean I've probably done it before? Maybe? As I said, I thought aza was doing the exact thing that iv did and went okay hammer button time.

I am asking you for an example of a time where town!you decided to quickhammer someone right after they claimed to cut day short and not let anyone else react to the claim.

In my opinion that is a strictly +++scum move.

If you have an example of you ever doing this as town, then obviously it's not a scumclaim as it's something you've done before as town.


Also you bringing up a time that Enchant did it to a scum player is incredibly disingenuous.

Enchant is a completely different player than you and plays in a completely different way(and you know this!!!)

I am asking for an example of YOU doing it when YOU ARE TOWN.

[Natalya]

I think you're more likely to be inspired by some people who quickhammer as scum and lolcat openwolf than enchant's "townplay".

Also if you have an example of you doing a quickhammer like that I would love to see it.

[Natalya]

Like I think you realized being an openwolf and not trying would be fun

so you decided to do it

then it got your townreads

so you decided to do it even more brazenly

and you are just continuing to push the envelope in terms of

how

scummy you can act and still get away with it

because that's somewhat fun ?

I really don't see how town!you thinks this is an effective way to hunt down mafia.

[Natalya]

I am not playing for retribution

I thought dwlee was mafia before they quickhammered

the quickhammer is just another proscum move they made.

[Natalya]

i literally did not read aza's flip until now
VOTE: d w l e e

i want dwlee dead
i think they're scum
i think natalya is town

the way they keep brushing off my slot seems like scum trying to act too natural

Can we please yeet this

dwlee has done worse by far

[Natalya]

I don't really agree? T3 has done nothing that shows me he is actually trying to find scum this game.

I have never seen T3 try to find scum in any game regardless of his alignment.

Also what has Dwlee done to find scum this game?

Their vote just moves from highest wagon to highest wagon

[Natalya]

why would scumT3 unvote dwlee ?

Is there some other counter wagon to him that I am unaware of ?

[Natalya]

Merry Christmas


Please nightkill me so I don't have to play anymore

[Natalya]

VOTE: dwlee

[Natalya]

just vote for me or dwlee today please

[Natalya]

you literally tunneled on t3 despite it being obvious he is not aligned with dwlee and dwlee being many times scummier and ignored everything i said about dwlee so im not sure how you think you are not responsible here

[Natalya]

i thought you were going to shoot me if you were a vig

you even lied about that

disgusting

[Natalya]

1-shot vig, I shot andante

so i guess if u r town you have killed 3 townies now

congrats

[Natalya]

VOTE: natalya

i cant even express how much i hate you all

[Natalya]

just vote for me

town clearly doesnt want to win this game why waste our time

[Natalya]

You not achieving town win, mafia will gladly of course quickhammer after i place vote, but if Natalie is mafia, then everyone will be reluctant to do that and this unlikely will prove anything.

I can vote Natalie of course, but it's too fast even for me.

how many mafia do you even think there are

[Natalya]

unvote

doobe doowop

[Natalya]

Dwlee99(4) ~ Oman(39), Natalya(85), Azaariah(38), T3(45)

every person on this wagon is town

[Natalya]

T3(4) ~ Retti(101), the worst(81), fua(80), Dwlee99(162)
Dwlee99(4) ~ Oman(39), Natalya(88), Azaariah(38), T3(47)
Azaariah(4) ~ UglyDuck(31), Gamma Emerald(23), Andresvmb(18), Andante(142)
UglyDuck(1) ~ Scorpious(89)

[Natalya]

what type of one shot vig are you dwlee? novice?

[Natalya]

im going to turn my brain off and just sheep dwlee for the rest of this game because they owe me for putting me through this bullshit

[Natalya]

im going to turn my brain off and just sheep dwlee for the rest of this game because they owe me for putting me through this bullshit

Nobody owes you shit kinda over your LAMIST crap.

stop talking to me

[Natalya]

UNVOTE:

there it looks nicer now

hope you are happy

[Natalya]

do you have any reads you want to share?

[Natalya]

do you have any reads you want to share?

You said not to talk to you.

Self vote garbage makes me think you are town.

Ok don't talk to me

Talk for your own sake.

They are trying to kill you

Do you even care?

[Natalya]

i still hate this game

[Natalya]

dwlee have you solved the game yet?

[Natalya]

I'll even give you a free result: my alignment is town

[Natalya]

you just need to solve for 3/6 !

[Natalya]

Tbh I half expected to get counter claimed by scum and eliminated today so I am pleasantly surprised a little bit

at least you know the scum are cowards

[Natalya]

Yes, I repped in over night. I had a scum read on Natalya. So I checked them. That didn't negate my scum read.

what was your check? I didn't read anything you posted

[Natalya]

Yes, I repped in over night. I had a scum read on Natalya. So I checked them. That didn't negate my scum read.

what was your check? I didn't read anything you posted

You haven't tried to kill anyone

so you're a detective? what's the role?

[Natalya]

i wanted the specifics

like what type of detective are you?

[Natalya]

it almost feels like you want to get townread for making up a roleclaim that's so absurd that nobody would fake-claim it

[Natalya]

my brain is mush

in dwlee I believe

[Natalya]

I'm a VT

I'm trusting you because you got us here in the first place dear.

[Natalya]

You could've just shot me last night, it would be the same thing as shooting Andante tbh except I would be happily lounging in the dead thread

in fact you promised to vig me liar

[Natalya]

I dislike mech. I do not try to outguess the NRG. and I don't even know what the claims in this game are.

[Natalya]

I am not playing

I am sheeping dwlee

I said so a while ago.

[Natalya]

because you don't listen to me anyway so it makes no sense for me to spend effort on a game where nobody listens to me

[Natalya]

if you all say we want to sheep you.

I will spend the time to put together a solution.

we will execute it,

if it is wrong I will take the blame.

I do not care for trying to "convince" you all that I am right.

[Natalya]

otherwise I will sheep dwlee as they r confirmed innocent and cut my losses

if we win great, if we lose it's whatever.

[Natalya]

I can always sheep you if you want. I don’t get what your end goal is here.

This town is completely incapable of working together.

I highly doubt we will suddenly begin working together well on day 3 at melo where we need all 5 town to vote together to kill a scum if they do not bus.

A dictatorship is the most effective way to govern at this point.

Dwlee is conftown, so they should be the dictator.

If they don't want it, they should pick someone else to be the dictator.

Roll the dice let's take our chances.

Otherwise we have no hope.

[Natalya]

My goal is fairly simple.

End this game as quickly as possible with the maximum probability of town winning.

which btw is impossible if even a single townie deviates and pursues a wrong read.

So that's why I favor dictatorship.

[Natalya]

so if dwlee puts down a solution of three and says to go A->B->C

I will go A->B->C no thoughts no questions done.

if dwlee wants someone else to make the A->B->C, I will follow that.

It is the easiest and simplest way to build a town consensus.

[Natalya]

Natalya I want us to corule :^)

nuh uh

you owe me for being mean to me for the first 2 days

[Natalya]

well that was because you decided to play scummy because you were a pr

that is ALSO your fault

[Natalya]

i could've been hunting down bad guys but you decided to be super scummy and randomly kill townies left and right

is that really my fault?

[Natalya]

no it is you fault.

you could've practiced a modicum of restraint

[Natalya]

if scorp is scum then you really saved his butt on day 1 randomly with your awful e-1 vote

[Natalya]

ok maybe it is my fault

i'm stupid sometimes

be a hero you owe me for pokemon

[Natalya]

I wasn't even scummy though also apparently WE DIDNT WAGON ANY SCUM soooo

you repped in and immediately e-1'd some rando for lulz

[Natalya]

im almost tempted to confscum scorp because the odds we get him to follow some plan if he's town is close to nill and it was kind of scummy as fuck when he was like "yo does that unvote actually count" like he's trying to see if he can quickhammer me or some bullshit

[Natalya]

like who even fucking asks that question

i cant even think of a protown reason to ask that question


but then again you'd think a scumbag would have enough brains to not ask it in the fucking thread

[Natalya]

i kind of think maybe scorp is town too

[Natalya]

cuz he was giving me shit about being wrong on him like it was some kind of fucking crime holy shit

[Natalya]

why does andres fua contain at least one town

[Natalya]

just treat me as an IC

i never fake being mad at losing

if im scum im just lolcatting at you for being a fucking joke

[Natalya]

ok you might yell at me for being a fucking moron

but check out this read:

Fua/Retti are scum because they haven't lost their fucking minds yet over how bad this town is playing

[Natalya]

I kind of think maybe scorpius is town cuz scorpius has clearly ragetilted off the planet hahahahahahaha

[Natalya]

i dunno

if we're going by the tilt reads we just pick the three least tilted players and that's our scum team

[Natalya]

its a really fucking stupid way to try to win but it works sometimes(i've never actually seen it work but I do know last time I played where my entire scum team was alive at melo we laughed at the town tilting off the cliff at each other for dumb fucking reasons)

[Natalya]

id bet town but i dun fucking know for sure

[Natalya]

im kind of tempted to bet it on retti/fua/andres scum team

[Natalya]

um

i did say my solution is pretty stupid

this is why you shouldn't trust people like me

[Natalya]

it is not hard to fake being annoyed

[Natalya]

And genuine emotion is hard to fake. You can somewhat tell if you read closely enough.

scum!retti would be geniunely angry at my bullshit too

[Natalya]

i will follow dwlee <3 whatever they decides :3

[Natalya]

i dunno who to exec

i am just pointing out scum get upset just as easily as town. emotion is geniune.

[Natalya]

that would be gamethrowing and im sure the scum will be happy to vote me out so you dont need my vote

[Natalya]

funny story

i didnt even notice it was melo

[Natalya]

When did you notice

when i unvoted

[Natalya]

well i did refresh for like 5 minutes with an unvote hoping to snipe the scum team quickhammering but i had to do something :3

[Natalya]

im kind of tempted to bet it on retti/fua/andres scum team

ngl it would be pretty funny if this was actually the solve

i'm kind of a moron so you shouldn't actually listen to me 95% of the time

[Natalya]

I am pretty bad actually

[Natalya]

why would andres even vote there if galron is scum

[Natalya]

some weird reverse psych shit?

[Natalya]

god i guess enchant reaction to andres vote looks townie????

i dunno

[Natalya]

GG

[Natalya]

VOTE: Scorpius

First scumread! So exciting!

hmm fua also might be scum

that's two scumreads!

do you really think I write that about my two scum partners

[Natalya]

Andresvmb(119), Scorpious(24), fua(59)

this is the scum team like 99% of the time?

[Natalya]

Ah no wait let’s just flip Natalya and if they flip Encriptor or something then that’s fine we can assume they did coordinate that and we can execute Scorpious. Let’s hope we get lucky. I still can’t see how I vote for Retti anyway.

this is just openwolfing

Scorp/Fua literally quickhammered together and Andres wants to flip me

rofl

[Natalya]

VOTE: Scorpious

[Natalya]

The only question is whether they could actually coordinate it based on the fact that by default the Scum don’t have daytalk unless their PT has an Encryptor, but yeah it’s like 99%. Natalya for sure is Scum. The GG that followed fua’s is a total giveaway. Scorpious could have been played for a fool if you want to squint your eyes super hard and ignore logic completely but yeah I don’t see it.

how is it a giveaway?

two scumbags quickhammered and I thought we lost the game

why would I not say GG?

[Natalya]

VOTE: Scorpious

I’m voting you. C’mon now.

I don't care I will elim you tommorrow

[Natalya]

Scorpious literally quickhammered with Fua, a flipped scum

and you are voting me?

lol just shut up

[Natalya]

Bullshit.

explain

[Natalya]

VOTE: Scorpius

First scumread! So exciting!

hmm fua also might be scum

that's two scumreads!

do you really think I write that about my two scum partners

Scorp literally quickhammered with Fua

they r both mafia

Andres is probly some role like mafia traitor and he thinks he can get a quickelim on me if retti actually votes me

game is probly over after scorp flips

[Natalya]

VOTE: Galron

Yolo

VOTE: Galron

this is 2 votes separated by 3 seconds

literally the definition of a coordinated quickhammer

if you don't think Scorp is mafia here then like LOL!?!?!?

[Natalya]

Bullshit.

explain

Nah I have already. We’re not going to talk until post-game. I understand you have to engage in this. I’m not going to speak to confirmed Scum.

ok i wont speak to you either scumbag

[Natalya]

I do think Scorpious is Scum. Are you not reading?

yet you're voting for me, a townie

[Natalya]

the game is at MELO

i am town

i saw 2 scum quickhammer

why would I as town NOT think the game is over?

[Natalya]

Retti/Enchant

if you don't vote for scorp who is obviously scum from quickhammering

and instead vote me out

like

rofl ok

[Natalya]

Andres is probably just Mafia Traitor

and Scorp is probably the Last Mafia Player

and Andres has to all in defend Scorp because he loses if Scorp dies.

so he's come up with this complete nonsense argument about how me saying GG after seeing 2 scum quickhammer, is somehow a scumclaim.

[Natalya]

VOTE: Scorpius

First scumread! So exciting!

hmm fua also might be scum

that's two scumreads!

again

I would never enter a game saying this about both my scum partners

that's literally nonsensical.

and me pushing scorp hard d1 p much clears me from being his partner

Andres is just desperate scumbag here

[Natalya]

Yep that’s the only knock against you. Absolutely.

you pushing me over someone who literally scumclaimed by quickhammering with a flipped scumbag

is a scumclaim