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In post 31, Andante wrote:How are you forming these scumreads? or are they not genuine
also, I read fua's name as "Fun" in my mind, so high chance I don't lim fua today. just saying
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In post 25, fua wrote:
What should we be talking about instead? Half the people in this game haven't even checked in yet.In post 22, Andante wrote:I bet we have a mailman this game who is the most fun person here.... so far all yall are boring
This feels like something a mafia would say-
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the reason felt ickyIn post 49, Andante wrote:ehhh what makes you not like Scorp's? I think scorp's is fine, everyone after is kinda excessive to me-
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It wasn't random... I really thought your openly line felt scummy :[In post 85, Scorpious wrote:
I am too, I really like that opening, even if I was the random target.In post 84, Andante wrote:I mean, so far I'm liking Natalya, not gonna lie-
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Thanks for making me feel special <3In post 57, Scorpious wrote:This is the first time I’ve ever been scum read for my RVS vote.-
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In post 85, Scorpious wrote:
I am too, I really like that opening, even if I was the random target.In post 84, Andante wrote:I mean, so far I'm liking Natalya, not gonna lie
This feels like a weird thing for him to say given how many questions he has posed towards me.
I'm not sure what the point of him questioning me is if he thinks I'm town.-
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This explanation for why he's questioning me is just ??In post 73, Scorpious wrote:
It was the carry over. And the insistence. Naturally I’m going to question play I’ve never seen before.In post 67, fua wrote:I also agree with T3’s sentiments on Scorpious for now. The reaction to a scumread based on one post seems a little too defensive, but it’s not enough for me to fully scumread them at the moment.
Like it feels so explainy.
"naturally I would do this" is not really a good reason to do anything ?
It's hard for me to see why he's interested in the answers to the questions he is asking.-
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I don't see how Scorp is really doing things to solve/hunt for mafia
He seems more concerned with defending himself from something that he sees as fairly frivolous and pointless.
I don't really see why that would be his main concern if he thinks this is just an RVS thing with really no substance to it?-
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In post 118, Scorpious wrote:
This might be the worst post of the game.In post 111, Egix96 wrote:
I agree with this and the subsequent posts.In post 106, Natalya wrote:In post 85, Scorpious wrote:
I am too, I really like that opening, even if I was the random target.In post 84, Andante wrote:I mean, so far I'm liking Natalya, not gonna lie
This feels like a weird thing for him to say given how many questions he has posed towards me.
I'm not sure what the point of him questioning me is if he thinks I'm town.
VOTE: Scorpious
It's somewhat weird for you to believe this but not vote for him.-
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In post 128, Retti wrote:I think Natalya probably has ~sincere conviction~ or whatever in her Scorp read, I just don't really think I see it, the questions he asked her are just asking her to explain her reads, which isn't exactly screaming "scum" to me. His response is weird but I would agree with Oman's assessment at the end of 115 that the votes on Scorp after Natalya look opportunistic in nature, which has me not wanting to go in that direction.
A thing that confuses me is that Retti/Oman believe the latter voters on the Scorp wagon to be opportunistic in nature but their votes are on T3, who is not voting for Scorp.-
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In post 139, Scorpious wrote:How so? I’m not going to vote someone every time they do something I don’t like..
How do you view this post?
I think it makes sense for town!you to vote for someone if you think they made "the worst post of the game" rather than keep your vote on your RVS which means really nothing.
The fact that you don't really see your vote as a tool to pressure/attack people that you suspect makes me think you are not very interested in scumhunting.-
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In post 190, Andante wrote:Uhh what? you SR someone for not voting? I mean, my method of scumhunting doesn't typically involve talking with my vote? Like, engaging with people and talking to them is better than just a simple (Vote X)
I think when people's vote movement deviates from their stance in thread that it's a scumtell.
Because a vote is something that's important for a town player as it's the only thing we have to use to find the scum so we tend to use it liberally and slap people around with it.
Whereas a vote is something that's scary to use for a scum player as it leaves a trail of evidence that the town can later use to decipher your intentions etc if you are found out.
I'm saying that I think it's more likely Scorp is scum because he didn't use his vote to express his opinion, rather he kept his vote on his RVS instead.
I think Egix would be a great place to vote for pressure and to get more information as he hasn't really posted very much : )-
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In post 251, Andante wrote:
Ok, please tell me what you like about duckie though, that is related to this gameIn post 248, Natalya wrote:I kind of like Duckie tho.
He feels inquisitive and carefree.-
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In post 73, Scorpious wrote:
It was the carry over. And the insistence. Naturally I’m going to question play I’ve never seen before.In post 67, fua wrote:I also agree with T3’s sentiments on Scorpious for now. The reaction to a scumread based on one post seems a little too defensive, but it’s not enough for me to fully scumread them at the moment.In post 272, Azaariah wrote:i feel really good about andante and retti. i think that andante's replies really confused me in my last game read-wise. i spent a long time thinking about what alignment they came from but these posts here give me an immediate townread on her. retti just feels so towny especially with pointing out that they liked my posts. i dont think this type of nuance is fakable. im now sure that it is play style but they just happened to post something before i said anything (turn this situation around and retti would townread me back) but it's just not nuance that scum can typically fake. i could go on but i dont think there's a need because i feel very solid on both of these reads.
sorting through recent posts,
i want to say votes dont make my reads spicier but honestly, they probably do but it's not very nice to force people to talk like that. there's plenty of other ways to deal with someone who isn't even a solid scum read. in general, i find the worst scummy but i dont feel like the solve is that easy. it makes more sense to me that they are just scummy town but im not convinced of that completely. about being noncommittal, sure i'll take that. i dont like being too committal and it loses me reads that are correct and saves me from tunneling the wrong people. it sucks in a lot of ways but it's how i play.
i take back my town lean on oman because im now convinced that their posts could easily be fakable. theres a level of nuance that i townread but im certain now that it's fakable. oman could still be town but im not giving out a town pass for it.
half of me wants to say egix is town but the other half wants to say he is scum. i really like tvt/tvs type reads but honestly, they aren't alignment indicative. in general, i like how calm and composed they are because it feels towny but i also know it comes from scum more often. im having difficulty figuring out what my read is and whether it's being affected by the large amount of scumreads there. in the past minute, my read has flipped twice on egix and that's part of why i dont know what my read is at all. the recent flip flips to scum but that will probably flip a couple more times before settling down.
These two posts are not "explainy" in the same way Scorp.-
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In post 285, Scorpious wrote:How are they different? In your view.
Your post feels like you are overexplaining something that you are worried might look scummy.
Aza's post feels like Aza is explaining Aza's reads and thoughts about players and how Aza came to these conclusions by explaining the thought process behind the reads.-
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Like you're basically saying. My reaction is because I haven't been pushed like this before so naturally I am going to react this way.
There's no content value there - you would defend yourself this way as scum as well right?
Whereas Aza is writing out Aza's thought process on why Aza has particular reads and that feels more solvy/moving the game forward like Aza is actively figuring out who is good/bad.-
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Scorp,
I'd like to apologize to you if you think I'm being overly hard/tunnely towards you. I have an unfortunate habit of bothering people until they give me what I want. My boyfriend calls it "clingy" but I'd like to think I'm just determined.
As you're not really doing what I expect you to be doing as town and I'd like to help you break out of that funk, could you please do me a favor and do some kind of reads list when you have a chance? It doesn't have to be sorted by towniness, just a few sentences on what you think of each player so far. If you don't have the time to do everyone I'd like you to just post a few reads on people in the game.
I don't want your experience to be bad and I do truly feel awful for being so pushy early in the day.-
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This is the best thing you've posted so far this game! <3-
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In post 433, Oman wrote:Natalya, I'm concerned you're still sitting on the Scorp wagon. You seem pretty sharp and have been well engaged with the game so far. Are you still committed to that vote?
I'll be honest the only thing he's done so far to make me think about unvoting him is talking about how he has a deep voice like Joe DiMaggio.-
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In post 433, Oman wrote:I would legit actually just replace out at that point. This game is so frustrating. Andante doesn't read stuff, half the town isn't posting anything, and there's so much "tee hee, just trust me, k" reductive trash going on from those that are around.
We have more than six days left and it's just day one, I don't think you should get too fustrated yet.
Just relax and take it at your own pace. Games are somewhat more spammy in places and lurky in others.
Focus on sorting a few slots at a time, you don't need to have a conversation with everyone at once.
Andante is somewhat hyper by nature, but she is that way as both alignments so it's not very alignment indicative.-
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Well Andante is from EM so she has a different playstyle that's more spammy i guess?
She's extremely nice and I'm fairly sure she doesn't mean it in a disrespectful manner.
I think we'll have plenty of activity in D1 actually, there have been a decent number of reps and I think we're on a decent pace.-
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Do you really think it's possible a TPR posts the message you responded to?
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I feel kind of bad that you feel this way regardless of your alignment.In post 454, Scorpious wrote:At this point you all should probably just lim me and use the information from my train.
I ask questions, they’re the wrong questions..
I post reads.they’re the “wrong” reads.
Kinda over it, honestly. Just let the scum team lim me. I’m losing interest.
I don't want you to not have fun but what you're doing currently is not very helpful for solving or advancing game state for the town.
That doesn't mean you necessarily have to be eliminated here because it's not impossible for someone who is not as familiar with how games work to be completely lost - I was also similarly lost at one point.
We still have a number of days left and I think we can try again if you're feeling up to it? You can take a bit of a break and hopefully you will feel better about giving it another try.
If you're town I do want to figure this out. Sorry again for making this quite unpleasant.-
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I'm fairly sure Oman is town.
Reading their posts they feel genuinely upset that large portions of the player list are not posting and resigned to town apathy possibly destroying the chances of town winning this game.
They haven't played on the site for a while and they come from a time when lurking was actually quite an issue for town win rates so I think this mindset probably is not faked.
It's not like 100% but they're one of my more confident townreads atp for what it's worth.-
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I think it's cute you counted how many words dwlee has postedIn post 471, Scorpious wrote:I mean, the fact that someone that has said 30 words this game used words #28 and #29 to put me on e-1 should raise alarm bells, no?
are you going to vote for them?-
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You know if you weren't so shy about using your vote to do things you wouldn't actually be so scumread right?In post 477, Scorpious wrote:This is the most gunshy I’ve ever been to post, vote, do anything. I feel like EVERY single thing I write is being just shredded and comes out the other end as me being scum, which is bullshit, because I can’t get any traction on anything.
Like voting for people you suspect is kind of how we play this game...-
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In post 477, Scorpious wrote:Fua is a great example here.
Dude has ripped everything I write. Like, he’s spent the entire game just dumping on me.
I don't think this is a fair characterization of Fua but I should probably re-read to be sure.
from my memory I remembered Fua was kind of trying to help you get more into the game and almost kind of trying to teach you how to play.
Also Fua's pronoun is "they" and not "he".
I know you can feel that way but sometimes people really are genuinely trying to help you.-
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yesIn post 484, Scorpious wrote:Do you really think they have taken a “helpful” tone?
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In post 322, fua wrote:I'll ask again. Do you have any reads or takes on the game that don't involve you being upset at people scumreading you?
this is them telling you what you need to do to not be scum-read/pushed...-
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I mean you've played in games where people have hammered e-1s early and then repeatedly so I don't really think town!you is this cavalier about it.In post 485, Dwlee99 wrote:Look if someone hammered there without claim that's basically a scum claim so I'm really not pressed about it, no matter how you feel about putting someone at e-1-
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It was much more of an issue back when he played.In post 515, Azaariah wrote:so you think that lurking is not an issue anymore? because i think that scum win way more often when town is not that active.-
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In post 500, Dwlee99 wrote:
Meta and on an alt? Double strike, be careful for the third pitchIn post 489, Natalya wrote:dwlee-scum really is that obvious
I am replying to Scorp saying that he is townreading you for being "too obvious"
My point is that it is a bad reason to townread you because I've seen you be extremely obvious scum in the past.
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It rings as genuine frustration to me. I'm not sure exactly why I think that, just reading what they write down, I have a strong sense of empathy with them that it's what they truly feel and not just an act.In post 528, the worst wrote:I also think Oman is town but for like, slightly different reasons. I'm also quite scared of them. World build with me for a sec right. If Oman is scum who's putting more effort into this than half the town and people are just literally not paying attention to the spectacular web they're weaving -- do you not think they'd still be upset? Is there something about their emotional rxn which strikes you as significantly more likely to come from town?-
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In the old meta I believe they just let the lurking keep going if they are mafiaIn post 537, the worst wrote:I agree. Why does that only come from town?-
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In post 540, Scorpious wrote:I don’t think it’s fair to call it a “bad reason”. You are basing that off of meta that I don’t have.
Saying it is a bad reason is not a criticism of you, I am saying that because I have been suspicious of dwlee for a while even before they put you at E-1 because of the lack of activity and solving intent and what has generally felt like scum complacency from their part, I chose not to push them to give them more time to get into this game, the way they tried to e-1 you made me feel queasy and begin to push them now rather than wait for later. I know you don't have the same level of experience with dwlee that I do so it wouldn't be fair for me to expect you to come up with that read, I say it's a bad read not because I think you are a bad player but because I want you to consider dwlee-scum a real possibility.-
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ok which things has he done that make you think this?In post 555, Dwlee99 wrote:I think t3 will do alignment indicative things if we wagon him, but also, I think he is mildly scummy-
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what did you not like about it?In post 560, Dwlee99 wrote:Kinda how he pushed Scorpius maybe-
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In post 560, Dwlee99 wrote:Kinda how he pushed Scorpius maybe
I have trouble with your thoughts on why you voted for T3 because approx 5 minutes after T3 push-voted Scorp to E-2, you followed up and put Scorp on E-1 so it's kind of weird that you would sheep T3 on Scorp and then turn around and vote T3 for how he pushed Scorp. It feels like your progression is not well thought out and you are kind of opportunistic in how you vote for players you think are easier to elim.-
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