Mini Normal 2269 - Flavors of Elmer's Glue [Game Over]

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Mala because if they don't get wagoned D1 it will be a ca-Malaty!!

I will be posting my SSS (Standard Survey Strategy) once I verify the scoring scripts for it are working.

I've received some feedback on reading N_M so I will be of some use in that department. We've only got 9 players so let's get a solid PoE set up and we'll win the game.

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VOTE: frogsterking

1 random question: what kind of glue everybody eat?

for me: chimkin

Gorilla Glue

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: frogsterking

1 random question: what kind of glue everybody eat?

for me: chimkin

Gorilla Glue

Got em

[Frogsterking]

the only kind of glue I've even used recently was stick glue.. hahahaha

Aaaaaaand that's what she said

Got em

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: frogsterking

1 random question: what kind of glue everybody eat?

for me: chimkin

salt

VOTE: frogster
U are not frog u are scary bear

Hmm..

[Frogsterking]

the only kind of glue I've even used recently was stick glue.. hahahaha

Aaaaaaand that's what she said

Got em

yeah idk what I'm missing... but I don't get it lol

Come again??

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Oops

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For some reason this reminds me of the joke that's like a picture of a newspaper:

Doctor Amputates Wrong Leg!

Doctor says "Oops"

[Frogsterking]

i hereby demand that your avi be monokuma looking dumb for the rest of the game.

mebbe like with a duncecap or something.

Hmm

[Frogsterking]

i hereby demand that your avi be monokuma looking dumb for the rest of the game.

mebbe like with a duncecap or something.

Hmm

Alright it's done; I'll keep this avi and sig until the end of the game.

For some reason this reminds me of the joke that's like a picture of a newspaper:

Doctor Amputates Wrong Leg!

Doctor says "Oops"

I mean it just makes you look like a terrible person.

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[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Enchant seems scummy this game

[Frogsterking]

Things change you know what

[Frogsterking]

you look like a terrible person.

Yes and am I a terrible person you can trust? Confucius says: To trust or not to trust, this is the question

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE: Enchant changed my mind

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE: Enchant changed my mind

SEE?

SEE?

CHARISMA.

Enchantment

[Frogsterking]

I feel like my shadow self is taking over. It's telling me who to vote.

[Frogsterking]

I will appreciate it if everyone takes my pro-town new survey strategy when I post it, the Standard Survey Strategy.

[Frogsterking]

I was waiting for a Beetlejuice but no one called my name.

I'm still working on the scripts for my survey strategy.

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like, excuse me... half this table legit isn't doing anything

That's not true, i breathing.

I think Enchant seems informed here

[Frogsterking]

I was waiting for a Beetlejuice but no one called my name.

I'm still working on the scripts for my survey strategy.

Saying this is useless and annoying. Post it soon or quit talking about it completely

I have until page 10

[Frogsterking]

I'm leaning town on both MegAzu and Andant

Enchant seems like they are really aware of the gamestate and that makes me think maybe scum!Enchant

I'm not sold on Val's solving. Val can appear solvey as scum.

This is my best guess VOTE: Jackson. I think this is a good wagon because it'll encourage him to post more AI information and we can reassess based on how he reacts

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I'm sorry that I've not been very present in this thread, but I think it may have helped town win con by me not being here

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It's hard for me to tell which of my ideas are good and which are bad. So maybe i will try to bring that perspective...

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VOTE: Val
Absolutely terrible hammer on a conformable as town PR.
Andante could basically be treated as IC after a night, there's no good excuse

Okay here's the thing,


It could just be suboptimal townplay.

For example: Val is given the special role of getting to solve with extra information. Then Val puts a lot of effort into the game and becomes attached to his solve. Then Val sees the chance to push his solve through and takes it impulsively without thinking critically. I feel like that happens..

[Frogsterking]

. Then Val puts a lot of effort into the game and becomes attached to his solve. Then Val sees the chance to push his solve through and takes it impulsively without thinking critically. I feel like that happens..

[Frogsterking]

question to consider: i think mafia NEEDED Virgo for some reason.... why?

to everyone else: what is the possibilty of that neighborhood being 2 scum, 1 town?

Two scum and 1 town are rare hoods and I'm totally down to think about thiis based on there being a vig flip and the setup being designed by RadiantCowBells.

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I see quickhammer as fast resort to dispose vig, before someone from wagon arrive and unvote.

Because if this happens, Val like 99% will be used by vig for target practice, or elimmed instantly.

It's Terrible play as town, and Decent for scum.
Val was gonna die anyway. So he had nothing to lose by hammer. Now he wants to pass as idiot.

No. Don't.

Wait Andante outted

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I see quickhammer as fast resort to dispose vig, before someone from wagon arrive and unvote.

Because if this happens, Val like 99% will be used by vig for target practice, or elimmed instantly.

It's Terrible play as town, and Decent for scum.
Val was gonna die anyway. So he had nothing to lose by hammer. Now he wants to pass as idiot.

No. Don't.

Wait Andante outted

WAIT. Okay okay, it can STILL be suboptimal townplay if Val was emotionally attached to his read.

[Frogsterking]

I obviously disagree that it was 'stupid' and 'absolutely terrible', else I wouldn't have done it, but OK, let's assume you aren't victims of hindsight, and that we were both wrong and it objectively was.

Why does that lead to you voting me today?

"It was not dumb"

Okay, explain your reasoning to hammer.

Val if you're Town you need to admit you made a mistake, I think it will help your solves and it's a first step to trusting

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Val this isn't even like the worst town mis play or anything

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VOTE: Val
Absolutely terrible hammer on a conformable as town PR.
Andante could basically be treated as IC after a night, there's no good excuse

Okay here's the thing,


It could just be suboptimal townplay.

For example: Val is given the special role of getting to solve with extra information. Then Val puts a lot of effort into the game and becomes attached to his solve. Then Val sees the chance to push his solve through and takes it impulsively without thinking critically. I feel like that happens..

Yeah but it's always what scum does in that situation. They take a mislim and die rather than not get one and die.
If someone is playing the optimal scum!way, and it isn't good townplay they die. End of the line

I'm sorry I emphasize with this situation too much to scum read Val i think. I THINK. Because he keeps arguing that it was a good play even after the flip; if he were maf, he knew it was a bad townplay that's why he did it in the first place.

Well yes, and was hammered for refusing to shot Malakittens and still planning to shot Val.

That's a complete misrep.

I kid yall not when I say, high chance I just don't even shoot tonight, cause I'm feeling maf can redirect

Those were the last words Andante said before the hammer.

Want to try again?

LOL yes it looks sketchy

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@Megazum

I want to see an example of the scum strategy being done yes

[Frogsterking]

Can we just call Frog+Val team and call it a day?

Savage LOL

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I think it's hypocritical to vote Val for me because I can empathize with making solves that are mechanically nonsensica

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viewtopic.php?f=11&t=88251


Day 2 I pushed a claimed cop and got them elimmed.
Day 3 I play ATE and associative. falseassociative, despite not having any logical reason to have made my play the day before as town

Lol

LOL

Okay maybe it is the right call to vote Val here.

Lmao I feel like I don't see that every game I feel like you have a wider scum range than most players Azumarill.

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I am aware. Neither will MegA, given 386.

Absolutely not my intent. This is the best play for town. I think I'm arguing with two fucking townies, as much as it hurts me to say, and no hunting is going to get done while I remain unresolved.

Let's end this now while how the rest of the player list is reading the other slots ambigious and give scum some difficulties in choosing a night kill. It's at least a one-for-one trade.

Val is this your scum game

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IDK I feel morally obligated to give you a chance

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I have thought of something else, actually.

Before you lim her, ask Mala tomorrow to relay the other points I had pointing to kcda!scum from the hood last night. I've given enough already, but there is still something I saw as a potential perspective slip on D1 that I haven't brought up yet, and a possible example of TMI. Ask Mala to explain. She was evasive about her read on kcda (although she was with respect to her reads in general, just saying everyone alive was null or leanscum to her) and perhaps you will glean something from her reluctance or otherwise to do so. That is my legacy solve - Mala and KCDA.

Huh

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Oh wait I got it. I didn't realize you were relaying that

[Frogsterking]

A chance at what, exactly?

Producing a game solve so fierce it forces an NK

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If Val is Town then I think Val is putting too much pressure on himself to solve the game and it's initiating a self destruct spiral. I've done this so many times. It can carry on from game to game and get worse each time. I want to give Val the chance to turn it around and reverse the spiral.

If this is an AtE scum act then Val is showing a level of detail in this performance which is uncanny.

[Frogsterking]

Val can you post a simple slot by slot reads list with like a few lines each for each player? I think NM and I should post one too to get like more reads out.

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And Mala for that matter wow. Did Mala post a lot of their content in the hood chat or something?

[Frogsterking]

Wow what is happening

I have guilty VOTE: MalaKittens

[Frogsterking]

Two things


1. I am idiot and asked wrong person to unvote. Happens. You can vote back on NM btw.
2. Kcd-Not_Mafia and Malakittens-Frogsterking both contain one mafia per pair.


So how we supposed to clear it's up?

I can get down with this logic.

I had a good/lucky read on Mala based on a line they've used again since then ("what's happening?" = Stalling question for liars)

NM is in his town meta based on my understanding of it and my best guess is that he had a good/lucky read on KDCA himself.

[Frogsterking]

town!NM dont go after peeps like this. Town!NM don't care

enchant there are not 3 maf there are 2 and one of them is voting me sorry but im back on my shit

VOTE: NM

convince me this is town NM

Enchant, kcda vs me should be sorted today, kcda is easily sorted, save Mala v frog for tomorrow

UNVOTE: Mala

VOTE: KCDA

NM speaking the truth this game. I'm expecting Mala to vote NM here, in which case Enchant hammer kcda please.

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Day 3, uh, existed. NM's fake guilty was bad. I don't know the motivation behind Frogsterking faking a guilty on Malakittens but it wasn't a good move no matter how you slice it.
This game should have ended days ago. The proper way to blitz is to suggest a specific time, ideally using something synced up like time.is, and check in 5 minutes before to confirm that you will both be online. The second the minute turns blitz it, post something plausible if you're worried about the partner being slightly late.
The Mafia team never told each other their roles. Frogsterking found out about the neighbourhood from JacksonVirgo's reveal in thread, and I don't think he ever said he was a goon or Mala that she was only a neighbour.
"When in doubt, lurk it out" claims another perfect scumwin.
In general, I thought this game made a strong case for nominative determinism. Be very careful what you flavor your games after, it might turn into a prophecy.

There's some helpful feedback for me on my scum game in here which I appreciate.