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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DyFbkzCu61kIn post 2002, Scorpious wrote:
VOTE: JacksonIn post 2001, JacksonVirgo wrote:Sup bitches. It's ya boi.-
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DyFbkzCu61kIn post 2005, Greeting wrote:In post 2001, JacksonVirgo wrote:Sup bitches. It's ya boi.While I don't think this post was made with bad intentions in mind, I kindly ask all players to refrain from using language that may potentially cause offence.
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Spoiler: Pages 1-10
I would vote Pooky if I was at this point in the game.
I also see my vote exists.
UNVOTE:
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Where are you getting that percentage from? I do not appreciate statistics being pulled from thin air.In post 2013, Scorpious wrote:And just so we’re clear..
I’m the games I have played, based on some shitty math the repped slots are 37% scum.
Which 37% is usually higher than the confidence I have in my own reads.
Vote isn’t parked, but Jackson has to earn the unvote.. So far so good..
Out of 13 players. Assuming 3 scum. It's 23.08% exactly as to any specific slot being scum. So are you claiming that replacing out specifically makes the individual chance of them flipping scum greater than if they did not replace out?
I do not appreciate, and I will not tolerate, shade like you have just done regarding your sentence about my vote. Do not continue this. If you feel the need to make these comments, do so with reasoning or I am going to assume it's from scum wanting to discredit my slot.-
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It was a backhanded "compliment"In post 2015, Scorpious wrote:What is it with this slot and terrible overreacting? I was actually giving you credit..-
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I personally cannot follow or trust in the math which is created without showing how you got to the conclusion you have gotten to, I am sure you can understand this.In post 2015, Scorpious wrote:From my games on this site..
This is generally pointless to argue as N_M has flipped Town. Unless you are talking about my own slot which has replaced out twice now, is this what you are talking about?-
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You have me a statistic which is useless to everyone except yourself, not your math but this discussion is useless. And I do not care if you believe I reacted poorly, it matters not for me.In post 2019, Scorpious wrote:
No, it wasn’t.In post 2016, JacksonVirgo wrote:
It was a backhanded "compliment"In post 2015, Scorpious wrote:What is it with this slot and terrible overreacting? I was actually giving you credit..
I gave you my math.
Said my vote wasn’t parked.
Said you were doing well so far in getting it removed.
If you felt it was backhanded. That’s your own personal issues to work out.
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If that statistic is true, I would love for you to show me the dataset you used to get to that point. Whether you put it in a spreadsheet or whatever, not anything to do with this game, because 37% seems to be pretty substantial from the 20 odd percent base chance.In post 2021, Scorpious wrote:
I honestly don’t have any notes on slots that have repped twice..In post 2018, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I personally cannot follow or trust in the math which is created without showing how you got to the conclusion you have gotten to, I am sure you can understand this.In post 2015, Scorpious wrote:From my games on this site..
This is generally pointless to argue as N_M has flipped Town. Unless you are talking about my own slot which has replaced out twice now, is this what you are talking about?
It’s not new to anyone that people rep out of scum slots.. I don’t see why you are even surprised at the question.
And it’s a running tally… if you flip red that number becomes just under 40… I don’t think 4/10 scum slots being repped out of is outrageous, nor would I find the 34% number weird if you are town.
If one flip happens to change your number by 3% I don't think your dataset is large enough to be reliable enough imo. Also is it just from normals or is it from themes as well?-
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Why don't you focus on yourself. I will catch up when I am able to catch up, there is a stark difference between the effort needed to have a conversation with somebody like we are now than reading 70 more pages where I cannot gradually add my words.In post 2023, Scorpious wrote:Why don’t you focus more on catching up and working for your unvote.
You repped into a slot that has been less than impressive..-
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I also do not care how my slot has been previously read. I have no information to prove one way or another, and thus I am not going to change how I play a game just because of my theoretical position in the Town. And judging just from recent votes, it appears it's just you that believes that.In post 2023, Scorpious wrote:You repped into a slot that has been less than impressive..
Also impressive is not a great marker to read somebody as Town. If that were the case, majority of games would have majority of the players scum-read as only few can be "impressive" enough to warrant a fairly strong town-read.-
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I have clearly stated where I have caught up to. I am not skipping a thingIn post 2027, geraintm wrote:
Have you read day 2? You think scorpious is town after reading that?In post 2022, JacksonVirgo wrote:For what it's worth I don't think Scorp is scum here.
Day 1 is a wash except the formation of the not mafia wagon, you can skip the rest.-
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I've been working, and I had a pretty large sleep last night for some reason. I am starting my 8 hour shift in about an hour, will be able to continue posting about an hour or two after that. Not sure how long in the day we have left though.In post 2070, Nero Cain wrote:VOTE: unvote till Jackson gets here or the slot is replaced again. :lol:-
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I've explained my situation, and if I did I would not have unvoted you.In post 2081, Scorpious wrote:Nobody is pushing the Adante slot, Jackson seems like he’s just waiting for me to be limmed btw. I mean why not? That play style of just sitting doing nothing had kept Gera alive..-
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VOTE: Malcom just because I think Scorp is misguided Town and I'd rather them not voted out and this is the other wagon.In post 2099, Nero Cain wrote:
nothing. Just didn't want the day to end without hearing from the replacement. Your takes are ridiculously horrible this game.In post 2073, geraintm wrote:
Why is their activity got anything to do with the vote on scorpious?In post 2070, Nero Cain wrote:VOTE: unvote till Jackson gets here or the slot is replaced again. :lol:
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From what I have read, it appears to me that they are super stressed about this game and their actions according screams to me as Town that is playing sub-optimally but town nonetheless. This is again coming from what I have read. Which is pages 1-10 and all of since I replaced in without knowing the full context behind the posts.In post 2121, angela wrote:
what do you think scorpious is misguided about? just you? or you and geraintm? or ?In post 2115, JacksonVirgo wrote:
VOTE: Malcom just because I think Scorp is misguided Town and I'd rather them not voted out and this is the other wagon.In post 2099, Nero Cain wrote:
nothing. Just didn't want the day to end without hearing from the replacement. Your takes are ridiculously horrible this game.In post 2073, geraintm wrote:
Why is their activity got anything to do with the vote on scorpious?In post 2070, Nero Cain wrote:VOTE: unvote till Jackson gets here or the slot is replaced again. :lol:
Catching up now.
If you could add to this with the context that you all have whether this seems like a viable read that'd be appreciated. I'll be catching up fully to see for myself soon, if not after my stream ends. Kinda don't have the full mental energy to get started yet and I am procrastinating.-
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I don't think I am really explaining it that well, and I am not entirely sure how to explain it any better. The way they are expressing themselves is townie to me, but not in the way that I would normally town-read somebody, they are acting scummy in the traditional sense but not in a scummy way, in a more townie way that is overwhelmed and/or stressed about being voted out kind of way.In post 2125, angela wrote:
i mean, i don’t even really understand what you’re saying hereIn post 2123, JacksonVirgo wrote:
From what I have read, it appears to me that they are super stressed about this game and their actions according screams to me as Town that is playing sub-optimally but town nonetheless. This is again coming from what I have read. Which is pages 1-10 and all of since I replaced in without knowing the full context behind the posts.In post 2121, angela wrote:
what do you think scorpious is misguided about? just you? or you and geraintm? or ?In post 2115, JacksonVirgo wrote:
VOTE: Malcom just because I think Scorp is misguided Town and I'd rather them not voted out and this is the other wagon.In post 2099, Nero Cain wrote:
nothing. Just didn't want the day to end without hearing from the replacement. Your takes are ridiculously horrible this game.In post 2073, geraintm wrote:
Why is their activity got anything to do with the vote on scorpious?In post 2070, Nero Cain wrote:VOTE: unvote till Jackson gets here or the slot is replaced again. :lol:
Catching up now.
If you could add to this with the context that you all have whether this seems like a viable read that'd be appreciated. I'll be catching up fully to see for myself soon, if not after my stream ends. Kinda don't have the full mental energy to get started yet and I am procrastinating.
like if scorpious is town, how are they playing sub-optimally other than like, interacting with people stuff?
like where do you think scorpious is wrong since you think scorpious is town but not playing well?
My god I need to read a dictionary or something to find better words.-
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Ah I see. Where I don't know or have the mechanical information to directly counter the wagon as of yet. I do think they are Town from what I have read, and thus for this current moment I would rather any wagon apart from them.In post 2129, angela wrote:? i think most of what others think is scummy about scorpious is mechanical stuff that i don’t know if you’ve read? like this acting scummy but it’s actually towny thing you’re talking about here is pretty ??? to me-
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Why would they claim that if they, as scum, knows they did not.In post 2131, angela wrote:
scorpious claimed mailman day oneIn post 2130, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Ah I see. Where I don't know or have the mechanical information to directly counter the wagon as of yet. I do think they are Town from what I have read, and thus for this current moment I would rather any wagon apart from them.In post 2129, angela wrote:? i think most of what others think is scummy about scorpious is mechanical stuff that i don’t know if you’ve read? like this acting scummy but it’s actually towny thing you’re talking about here is pretty ??? to me
claimed sent message to me
i did not receive said message
scorpious either lying or roleblocked-
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Scum wouldn't 1 for 1 this early in the game. Nor would they probably ever do so at all, it benefits Town massively. Any 1 for 1 that is not in LyLo is in towns favour almost completely, even if that is with a Town PR.In post 2134, angela wrote:
have to claim to have sent it to someone? because claimed the role the day beforeIn post 2132, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Why would they claim that if they, as scum, knows they did not.In post 2131, angela wrote:
scorpious claimed mailman day oneIn post 2130, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Ah I see. Where I don't know or have the mechanical information to directly counter the wagon as of yet. I do think they are Town from what I have read, and thus for this current moment I would rather any wagon apart from them.In post 2129, angela wrote:? i think most of what others think is scummy about scorpious is mechanical stuff that i don’t know if you’ve read? like this acting scummy but it’s actually towny thing you’re talking about here is pretty ??? to me
claimed sent message to me
i did not receive said message
scorpious either lying or roleblocked
and pooky was talking about a mafia ascetic during day one
so it seems possible they were trying to frame me as ascetic
by killing pooky to lend weight to theory and claiming sent to me and i didn’t get it
but kittytacky targeted me with friendly neighbour
thus proving ascetic thing impossible
and i think that’s most of the mechanical stuff yeah-
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Could you clarify furtherIn post 2133, geraintm wrote:Because they have a history of bad/good claims-
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I refuse to believe that they are so foolish, and that it got allowed by the rest of the mafia, that they thought that fake-claiming a mailman to get you eliminated from framing you as ascetic, which wouldn't even incriminate you alone. The claim is very likely real irregardless of alignment or fake irregardless. From what I have seen, I do not think that they are scum just from this mechanical information.
If it's fake, I believe it to be even more likely from Town than if they were scum irregardless of it being a completely flawed play from what I see.-
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If they were suspected and thus claimed a PR role to protect themselves, why would they pick such a confirmable and thus incriminatory role to fake-claim.In post 2140, angela wrote:scorpious was already suspected day one that’s why they had already claimed mailman and such
like they’d just be trying to continuously buy days with potential upside of eliminating me and such
after you’ve read game later we can discuss this further if you still feel the same way but it seems like it would not be an approach scum wouldn’t take to me at all-
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"the other possibility"In post 2145, angela wrote:
yes that is the other possibility as i have already saidIn post 2143, JacksonVirgo wrote:It would be much more reasonable to conclude scum has a roleblocker that wanted to incriminate them since they claimed prior to doing their action and would thus be prime time wagon material
It's by far the most likely possibility.-
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Why would I not try when the person I believe to be Town is going to be eliminated? I was just fed more information which I also wanted to add my two cents on, which happened to back up my read to an extent.In post 2147, geraintm wrote:Jackson, I have no idea why you, having only read 10 pages, are fighting so many other players so hard and giving a player so much the benefit of thr doubt
I feel being an isolated party in the sense of not knowing context possibly removes a lot of the mid-game biases. Which I think is a pretty beneficial position for me to be in, I will catch up though and thus add my updated opinions but until that time comes this is what you are getting.-
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How so?In post 2150, angela wrote:
i disagreeIn post 2148, JacksonVirgo wrote:
"the other possibility"In post 2145, angela wrote:
yes that is the other possibility as i have already saidIn post 2143, JacksonVirgo wrote:It would be much more reasonable to conclude scum has a roleblocker that wanted to incriminate them since they claimed prior to doing their action and would thus be prime time wagon material
It's by far the most likely possibility.
Scum would not claim a role that is going to be immediately disproven the next day, and thus it would not happen meaning that the claim itself is real, at least regarding the mailman aspect. If scum!scorp wanted to claim Mailman and get away with it, they would have killed you last night to hide that missing ability without resulting to the less likely roleblock and even less likely ascetic target/frame.
If they wanted to take you down with them, they would have claimed an investigative role that red-checked you. Claiming a mailman that action failed does not align with framing you, as it wouldn't no matter which way you look at it. Therefore, why would they claim mailman here as scum if they were not. It doesn't make any sense as to why they would claim that in the position they were in.
Explain to me how a scum claiming a mailman without being a mailman is ever a decision that happens.-
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No, stop assuming that me catching up has anything to do with me calling out flawed logic that has been given to me.In post 2152, geraintm wrote:@jackson
A player you believe is town based on 10 pages of random votes?
Stop wasting time interacting with us and read the game, then come back and play properly-
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Don't misunderstand me, I am all for getting rid of scum, if you can convince me that they are scum I will have no issues with having them dead. Just as it stands I think the wagon is biased and is looking over the fact that the claim is not mechanical reason to eliminate them. I will now respond to your post.
And why would they claim Mailman of all roles, if they knew they would not live the following day because of it?In post 2160, angela wrote:they couldn’t claim an investigative role to take me down because they had already claimed mailman
Why would they have claimed Mailman if they wanted to take you down?In post 2160, angela wrote: it seems possible to me that they were trying to take me down with it the next day though based on how it played out
This is a fair statement, I cannot refute but I also believe I do not need to necessarily know the sequence. From what you are telling me, it's fairly likely that they are Town alongside my previous read on them being scummy in a townie way I am fairly sure they are Town.In post 2160, angela wrote: like you do not know the actual sequence of events here and are claiming i think scorpious was trying to take me down with mailman from the beginning and saying that doesn’t make sense when… that isn’t what i even think might have happened??
Mailman is not a role to claim when you want to live an extra few days. It's not a fake-claim unless you have that ability, it's just not what would happen. This is coming from years of mafia experience, it just wouldn't happen and if it does. They played wrong.In post 2160, angela wrote: to live extra days is why claim mailman
I don't think I have to explain as to why it's a terrible claim. Literally any role would be better than Mailman to live a few days, unless they were planning on taking you down in a VERY specific plan Mailman is one of the worst claims they could have done. A Cop is a way to almost guarantee to live another day or two, and also be able to take you down. Doctor or another form of role is even better. Mailman, never an option unless again they have that ability.In post 2160, angela wrote: like it’s not super complicated
they already lived through day one and you’re arguing they should live through day two with no message or anything
so if mafia the claim would be working yes ?
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BruhIn post 2161, Enchant wrote:So, i read whole game in these 2 minutes.
That's not lie.
Also, what we doing?-
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I think our entry has our views less clouded.In post 2170, Enchant wrote:As i said, most likely claim is truth.
It just doesn't prove anything and not useful.-
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In post 2261, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Sorry for prolonged absence - surprisingly busy couple of days. I'm still reading through the past 10 pages or so, but this post is an incredibly, incredibly weird one for Geraint given they told Jackson most of day 1 is useless, and given they have said they inherently believe themselves most of day 1 tends to be useless. This feels a bit like potential mafia frustration since Jackson's slot went from being confrontational with Scorpious to now TR'ing him. Note Gera - as with basically all of their play - doesn't actually engage with the content of Jackson's posts, instead they attack them for a reason entirely inconsistent with their own play.In post 2152, geraintm wrote:@jackson
A player you believe is town based on 10 pages of random votes?
Stop wasting time interacting with us and read the game, then come back and play properly
You raise decent points hereIn post 2262, MalcolmTucker wrote:I see a few others cottoned onto this and geraint now a potential candidate for elimination - post 2192 stinks as well.
Especially given post 2027, where Jackson is explicitly told by geraint not to bother reading most of the game because it's pointless. Why the sudden shift in tone? Makes sense that it'd be mafia frustration coming through.-
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Is angela scum here?In post 2277, angela wrote:ye
if whoever's town and outstanding could just vote scorpious here it'd be appreciated
can just blame me again for it if it goes wrong
but i really do feel pretty strongly that it is best elimination
and maybe i do not have it in me so much to really fight for it here if necessary
and i am worried about enchant and jacksonvirgo votes coming in on geraintm here based on their previous comments
and yeah-
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Elaborate furtherIn post 2281, KittyTacky wrote:
It's not inconsistent reasoning though so the points are flawed.In post 2278, JacksonVirgo wrote:In post 2261, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Sorry for prolonged absence - surprisingly busy couple of days. I'm still reading through the past 10 pages or so, but this post is an incredibly, incredibly weird one for Geraint given they told Jackson most of day 1 is useless, and given they have said they inherently believe themselves most of day 1 tends to be useless. This feels a bit like potential mafia frustration since Jackson's slot went from being confrontational with Scorpious to now TR'ing him. Note Gera - as with basically all of their play - doesn't actually engage with the content of Jackson's posts, instead they attack them for a reason entirely inconsistent with their own play.In post 2152, geraintm wrote:@jackson
A player you believe is town based on 10 pages of random votes?
Stop wasting time interacting with us and read the game, then come back and play properly
You raise decent points hereIn post 2262, MalcolmTucker wrote:I see a few others cottoned onto this and geraint now a potential candidate for elimination - post 2192 stinks as well.
Especially given post 2027, where Jackson is explicitly told by geraint not to bother reading most of the game because it's pointless. Why the sudden shift in tone? Makes sense that it'd be mafia frustration coming through.-
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You don’t put weight on me almost full pushing them as town as a scum partner thing?In post 2275, KittyTacky wrote:If Scorp is scum then the team is most likely Scorp/Andres/STD.-
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Fancy how you say this right after I start twisting against you. Scum have more reason to want to kill a PR than Town does and you and gerain are both hopelessly biased and unbudging.In post 2289, angela wrote:jacksonvirgo not giving me much faith either
Constantly saying I should also catch up fully rather than counter my argument’s.-
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Where did I say you should be budging. The only reference to that word is my last few posts.In post 2293, angela wrote:
why should i be budging thoughIn post 2291, angela wrote:
?????In post 2290, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Fancy how you say this right after I start twisting against you. Scum have more reason to want to kill a PR than Town does and you and gerain are both hopelessly biased and unbudging.In post 2289, angela wrote:jacksonvirgo not giving me much faith either
Constantly saying I should also catch up fully rather than counter my argument’s.
you started twisting against me right after i said i was worried about you and your vote
like ?????
that is what i still do not understand
like you keep saying should be budging but that is based entirely on stuff i disagree with and you haven't said anything that has made me feel differently about it or anything that i hadn't already been thinking about before you arrived
i asked you to read the game because you were just not understanding the context for the conversation you were having with me
I think the mechanical reasoning to their SR is inherently flawed.-
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I believe Mafia to be wanting to eliminate them today. Not Nk themIn post 2295, angela wrote:
and yet jacksonvirgo thinks scum would want to kill the mailmanIn post 2294, angela wrote:
goodIn post 2292, Enchant wrote:In post 2290, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Fancy how you say this right after I start twisting against you. Scum have more reason to want to kill a PR than Town does and you and gerain are both hopelessly biased and unbudging.In post 2289, angela wrote:jacksonvirgo not giving me much faith either
Constantly saying I should also catch up fully rather than counter my argument’s.
Oh noooooo
What we will do without mailman!
We cannot... We... We... Hmmmm.
and also!!!
if scum had great reason to want to kill a pr
they could have killed the claimed mailman last night
lol
and does not think the mailman is mafia
because
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I think you wont bcuz ur scumIn post 2298, angela wrote:
you noted me as being 'unbudging'In post 2296, JacksonVirgo wrote:Where did I say you should be budging. The only reference to that word is my last few posts.
I think the mechanical reasoning to their SR is inherently flawed.
which is maybe accurate though not like, 'would not budge' but rather currently do not think it would be correct to do so
but if you do not think i should be budging, then why even say it-
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You think just because someone may br confirmed means they are right? Are you for real? :lol:In post 2300, angela wrote:
and it just so happens the confirmed town is the other person voting scorpious right now?-
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If you are assuming scum wouldn’t push that if and when they planned their night action accordingly, you are a fool.In post 2301, angela wrote:
if mafia roleblocked they would be wanting town to eliminate the mailman todayIn post 2297, JacksonVirgo wrote:I believe Mafia to be wanting to eliminate them today. Not Nk them
not do so themselfs unless could not otherwise push it over
which i've been thinking about and then this leads to the question
but where have they been exactly if scorpious is town-
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And? I never said you can be town quit takkng my words out of contextIn post 2305, angela wrote:
rathe is voting scorpiousIn post 2303, JacksonVirgo wrote:No idea where you springed Rathe from.
I don’t think you and gerain are paired. You seem to align too much for that, unless you both are pushing the exact agenda super hard which I doubt.
ah convenient that i can be town now so you can vote geraintm and then it would have to be me if geraintm green and one of us mafia to you
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