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[Scorpious]

I would also think you would have opened the Day with the message I sent..

Why didn't you?

????????????????????????????????????

the message i already said i didn't get?

the message which probably never existed?

Again, open minded Angela just defaulting that I "never sent" it.

I must have been blocked

again, i am not defaulting, just weighing the possibilities and finding that one most likely, thus the probably

yesterday you would have asked many questions, now you're just. "the message probably never existed".

one of two things happend. I was blocked, or you are just playing stupid.

[Scorpious]

why would you think you were blocked

because I sent you that message smh..

[Scorpious]

Kitty being so locked on me screams TMI..

you wont even acknowledge that.. why?

[Scorpious]

Besides I have reason to suspect this setup has a scum mailman. Trust me on this.

Trust me is not a reason.. Why.. What is your reasoning?

i trust kittytacky

can i lolcat this one?

[Scorpious]

i think i believe the scorpius claim and that he was just likely blocked or something

it is possible that scorpious was role blocked, this just does not seem all that likely to me

like why would scorpious even target me? when i was pretty likely nightkill et cetera

ok, any TI is going to watch you.So no you are not the "pretty likely kill".

Why would I not target the most "influential" players thus far. I mean you had Galron sucking up to you when you were considering voting them.

[Scorpious]

why did you target angela, scorp

because up until about an hour ago she seemed like the most collected, solvy player of the game.

I WAS leaning heavy heavy town on them.

[Scorpious]

Angela, again, you voted NM yourself, despite wanting Scorpious out. Similarly Scorpious eliminated MM once it was clear we had no alternative, towards the end of the turn. What's the major difference here?

to be cheeky, the major difference is that i am town

again, total departure from D1 Angela.

[Scorpious]

Are there any scum role what would prevent them from getting a message with no interference?

[Scorpious]

D1 angela was pretty town tho

day two angela is also

i am town
kittytacky is town

go from there

you forgot Scorpious is scum..

go from there

[Scorpious]

tbh I really need to read.. maybe I should shut up till tomorrow, but seeing 3 pages over mailman??? really…

Are you reading?

strap in and hold on..

[Scorpious]

FYI,

still waiting on Gera to bring his D2 fire as we were all promised..

[Scorpious]

This is why I hate alts.

would love to have a look at the smalles bit of meta, but with Angela it is not possible.

I wanted to see if my thoughts of scum hiding in an almost unreadable iso based on there just being so much to sift,thorugh but I cannot confirm anything.

[Scorpious]

Kitty and Angela..

I'd like these answers before Gera shows.

What are your thoughts on that slot ?CURRENTLY..

[Scorpious]

also the pooky kill seems like a scared kill not strategic

How so? whenever I see a popular name get smoked I always consider the possibility of it being done for lolz. To joke about after a game. Not saying this happened, but I've seen it, and as you said before. Every possibility should always be considered,

[Scorpious]

i dont think ur lying scorpius so its most likely u were blocked

I know I'm not,but thank you.
The more i think about htis the more I am feeling framed. Pooky expressed major doubts on me,and my message allegedly never made it through.

Like, IDK how Kitty and Angela could be so bent on me right now and not even give the Gera slot a second look. We let them live based on their insiatance of content on D2.. We're still waiting.. Thats not suspicious in itself, I get it people have lives, but it was n't even mentioned by either of them..

Kitty came in full send and our ever analytical Angela is just like "yeah, I trust that"

Feels real dirty to me..

[Scorpious]

time to commute

[Scorpious]

Well, again. My message explicitly said that me hammering was an accident. Which makes me feel like I was blocked.

That’s my current conflict. Town Angela most undoubtedly has a comment on my message the minute D2 starts.

There are only two options here. She is lying, possible, or she never got it, which means I was blocked..

Neither though explain the blind acceptance of Kitty’s “case” on me .. and in turn the acceptance of town Kitty.

I don’t see anything from Kitty that screams town, unless Again, could be a TMI case

[Scorpious]

See, too me , that’s absurd…

But that’s one meaningless opinion..

But also. Thank you for doing that.

[Scorpious]

Ok, for now and for the sake of others I’m willing to step away from this for a little. We made our points .I will indulge in some light Angela stalking.

Definitely some slots I’d love to hear more from, though.

[Scorpious]

I do have to say, from someone that is scum read every game, and rarely has anything really listened to.

I don’t know how to feel that Andres and Malcom are agreeing with me so freely.. I’m not used to it..

[Scorpious]

Either the role is accurate, or they’ve engaged in the dumbest fake claim ever. I don’t necessarily think Scorpious is the best player in the game. But do you really think they boxed themselves into a situation where they had to send a message and didn’t have the capability to do so? That just seems way too dumb.

you know they could just be trying to frame me, the recipient, right?

C’mon this is absurd. They frame you, you flip Town, they get executed next most likely. They do not set it up that way in advance. Which is what you’re arguing. They had to claim mailman under pressure in D1. Like this is clearly not a strategy to win the game. Where’s your skepticism?

they have already bought an extra day from the claim due to my brain worms

why would you think mafia trying to buy a second extra day

would not be beneficial to the mafia?

Sigh. Scum don’t buy extra days in this way c’mon. There’s absolutely no guarantee at all that mailman as a claim buys you any additional time, because it’s so useless as a role in a vacuum. I have never seen it employed as a fake claim to save a Scum. It’s a useless role the vast majority of the time.

He once claimed bulletproof cop. I wouldn't put it past him to make bizarre claims.

Besides, angela has little reason to lie about a mailman message if she is scum either! Because she will just get killed the next day is Scorp is town. And angela is way more townie to me than Scorp. I'm parked on Scorp still.

VOTE: Kitty

You are not scum hunting an any way. You're cases on me is ahem: My reaction to your over reaction and a calim I made in a past game. And you have specifically stated you have no plans to hunt any further..

Who's my team then?

let's expand ourselves a little,enough of this TMI crap.

[Scorpious]

I'm glad we waited and let Gera live for that totally groundbreaking addition..

[Scorpious]

i don’t really know what to do here and am still in need of assistance

and it just feels like

yeah i obviously played bad i know this but i am still town

like it makes very little sense for me to steer the wagon onto not mafia instead of steering it onto scorpious if i was mafia here

and yet some of you are saying that was scummy of me

and it is like,

eliminating me does nothing but make it even less likely we win

i don’t need to be punished for being terrible - already was by yesterday’s flip, lost elimination and such; and if you really feel the need to you can tell me how bad of a play it was to prioritize surrounding play or to be in a position to be sheeped and be wrong or to be sheeped while not even believing in myself enough to vote my strongest scumread

like the way people are viewing the game right now is not correct and i know that

not ‘i think that’

but i know that

exquisite ATE, bt dubs

[Scorpious]

I'm glad we waited and let Gera live for that totally groundbreaking addition..

sorry not up to your standards, but im doing the best i can

It's not "my standards" Its that a lot of people gave your "mailed in" D1 a pass. I did,hoping that would produce something that would make me feel better from taking my vote off you..

So far, I'm the fool..

[Scorpious]

but i assume that would not be the case and that kittytacky is simply town

of course you would.

because you "trust" them.. smh

[Scorpious]

whatever guess i will simply ask you and then wait for confirmation from others

is there a way to tell the difference between

a message sent by a friendly neighbour

and a message sent by a mailman made to look like a friendly neighbour message

?

Are you saying you got it?

[Scorpious]

whatever guess i will simply ask you and then wait for confirmation from others

is there a way to tell the difference between

a message sent by a friendly neighbour

and a message sent by a mailman made to look like a friendly neighbour message

?

Are you saying you got it?

i got what seemed to be a friendly neighbour message from kittytacky

nothing resembling the message you claimed to have sent

wha..?

[Scorpious]

I'm very confused right now. I'm sorry.

[Scorpious]

Since when do neighbors send messages?

And why do you need mod confirmation? My role PM explicitly sates what happens when I send a message.

[Scorpious]

Since when do neighbors send messages?

And why do you need mod confirmation? My role PM explicitly sates what happens when I send a message.

friendly neighbour

not neighbour

It doesnt matter, neighbors DONT send messages..

[Scorpious]

Since when do neighbors send messages?

And why do you need mod confirmation? My role PM explicitly sates what happens when I send a message.

friendly neighbour

not neighbour

It doesnt matter, neighbors DONT send messages..

friendly neighbours do? the wiki says they do at least

I just read it too, so what did you get as a message?

I never even knew this role existed,and now I'm questioning how mnay town messngers we have..

[Scorpious]

It's just super convenient that the person that is latched on to me like a tick happens to have the same type of role as I claimed..

[Scorpious]

It's just super convenient that the person that is latched on to me like a tick happens to have the same type of role as I claimed..

do you not think

that might be part of why they are latched on to you?

I think the setup is designed to fuck with us now..

They were latched on to me way before I claimed, so its moot what their role allegedly is.

Hence the convenience factor.

[Scorpious]

But I’m going to pull back and let others chime in here..

[Scorpious]

What did the message you got say?

[Scorpious]

What did the message you got say?

i cannot quote it

private communications

it appears to be a friendly neighbour message from kittytacky

as i've said

you dont have to quote it.. you can paraphrase

[Scorpious]

What did the message you got say?

i cannot quote it

private communications

it appears to be a friendly neighbour message from kittytacky

as i've said

6. Do not

directly quote

any PMs sent to you regarding the game

[Scorpious]

What did the message you got say?

i cannot quote it

private communications

it appears to be a friendly neighbour message from kittytacky

as i've said

you dont have to quote it.. you can paraphrase

cannot really paraphrase a friendly neighbour message in a way that is functionally different from quoting it

not even true..

[Scorpious]

I'm a town mailman, I can send messages to one person at night...

I just paraphrased my role pm.. You can do it too..

[Scorpious]

I'm not satisfied with that, you aren't even making an effort,just telling me how you can't.

Happy where my vote is,taking a break from this now..

[Scorpious]

like what do you think the message might say

based on the information you currently know?

I have no idea..

Yes or no. Did it explicitly indicate Kitty as town?

[Scorpious]

like what do you think the message might say

based on the information you currently know?

I have no idea..

Yes or no. Did it explicitly indicate Kitty as town?

yes it did

that's what a friendly neighbour message is

lol,we wiki'd it at the same time. Don't talk down to me..

[Scorpious]

so lets examine the setup then.
Why would there be one confirmable message sender and one not?
Why would there be a town neighbor and a mafia mailman?

The second seems incredibly unbalanced to me..

[Scorpious]

so lets examine the setup then.
Why would there be one confirmable message sender and one not?
Why would there be a town neighbor and a mafia mailman?

The second seems incredibly unbalanced to me..

i don't really want to go too far into this until others weigh in on how to tell the difference if there is a way

friendly neighbour is just a situationally slightly better innocent child that is sometimes worse because fails to confirm (sends message to someone who is killed or mafia or something like that)

and we already know that if you're town there is a roleblocker,

like we don't know that there would be a town friendly neighbour and a mafia mailman

because even if you are mafia, we do not know you are actually a mailman

then claim would be very coincidental

so most likely with regards to that would be like

mafia is informed of friendly neighbour
or
there is a mafia mailman
or
weird coincidence

but your message absent and that is something that has to be addressed in any setup speculation

I find a certain comfort knowing that "confirmed town" would message you as well. Like I had the right idea,and if you're scum you deserve this win,because you just outed 2 townies without even trying..

[Scorpious]

So there’s two options here. Either the Friendly Neighbor claim is coming from two Scum together (this is not a novel concept, and I have faxed it directly as Town before, but it was a risky claim that almost lead to the Team’s loss), or it’s a real claim and we have to accept Kitty is Town. Given how the game has played out, I’m inclined to believe Kitty is just Town. So I’ll lock that one. Note that the claim doesn’t speak to angela’s alignment, but it does eliminate the possibility entirely that they’re Ascetic. Which means, Scorpious is either lying or was blocked. Since there weren’t any claims prior to today, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that the Scum would have chosen to block Scorpious as a frame, but it does raise the probability (which I still think is not the most likely scenario) that Scorpious is lying about their role and message, and therefore Scum.

This is a logical process, I find it very town.

Also logical:

UNVOTE:

[Scorpious]

The Friendly Neighbor message should be a confirmation that Kitty is Town and I suggest you ask the Mod angela. There should be no ambiguity there.

ask a mod what? she seems pretty confident what it means..

[Scorpious]

Either the role is accurate, or they’ve engaged in the dumbest fake claim ever. I don’t necessarily think Scorpious is the best player in the game. But do you really think they boxed themselves into a situation where they had to send a message and didn’t have the capability to do so? That just seems way too dumb.

you know they could just be trying to frame me, the recipient, right?

C’mon this is absurd. They frame you, you flip Town, they get executed next most likely. They do not set it up that way in advance. Which is what you’re arguing. They had to claim mailman under pressure in D1. Like this is clearly not a strategy to win the game. Where’s your skepticism?

they have already bought an extra day from the claim due to my brain worms

why would you think mafia trying to buy a second extra day

would not be beneficial to the mafia?

Sigh. Scum don’t buy extra days in this way c’mon. There’s absolutely no guarantee at all that mailman as a claim buys you any additional time, because it’s so useless as a role in a vacuum. I have never seen it employed as a fake claim to save a Scum. It’s a useless role the vast majority of the time.

He once claimed bulletproof cop. I wouldn't put it past him to make bizarre claims.

Besides, angela has little reason to lie about a mailman message if she is scum either! Because she will just get killed the next day is Scorp is town. And angela is way more townie to me than Scorp. I'm parked on Scorp still.

Yes, if I’m being honest, now that I feel maybe a bit better about angela again, I think Scorpious is the better execution of the two if we’re going down that path. Since Scorpious has made bizarre claims in the past, I can’t discount that this claim was totally made up. I think it’s idiotic and I would be furious if I was part of the Scum Team (I mean c’mon that is going to backfire at some point if that’s the case), but okay, should not be discounted.

I'm starting to see why Angela has 17 alts.. How is that even relevant to THIS game?

Am I just not allowed to claim anymore?

[Scorpious]

just gonna sit back and watch this farce of a LHF wagon build up..

[Scorpious]

i am heavy on the elimiate scorpious train of thought with from the info provided by angela and kitty

VOTE: scorpious
not even sure why i am not

i repeat i do not see angela and scorpious as being opposite alignments

so happy we're getting that content you promised.. SMDH you're just doing the same thing you did yesterday.

You're just not being vocal about it..

[Scorpious]

@Scorpious you’re misunderstanding the point. There are certain slots that will happily fake claim as both Town as Scum. There are also slots that will be more aggressive with their fake claims as Scum. For example, Koba or House both fake claim as Town to draw attention, or to disrupt the flow of the game when they perceive it to be in favor of Scum. They’re not in this game, but I would never take a claim from them at face value unless it was confirmed multiple which ways. Flavor Leaf and Koba are both also very aggressive with their fake claims. Sometimes to their detriment. But they will make claims that are way out there, and you have to be careful to assume that they just wouldn’t claim something crazy or seemingly sub-optimal, because they do it intentionally as part of their strategy (and they’re very good players as Scum).

If you have a history of doing something, then that plays against you. You could look at my entire history of games as Scum, and I play conservatively with claims. Why? Because I think I have rhetorical skills that generally speaking let others give me the benefit of the doubt, so I’ve never felt pressure to push my luck with claims. I just don’t get executed a whole lot (and almost never as Town). This doesn’t apply to you. So I can’t just assume that your mailman claim, which objectively is a bad claim for Scum, definitely means you’re Town. That’s the point. And since that’s the case, it’s far better to analyze your slot from your actions in the game. And if I’m being honest, I did strongly think you were Scum at various times for a reason.

Sorry, I don't play my games with any regard to how my NEXT game is going to go..

I don't expect you to take anything at face value,but a claim I made in a previous game should NOT be grounds for someone to regard me as scum THIS game..

[Scorpious]

Andres is town,Kitty is town,not sure on Angela,and Gera is total scum..

VOTE: Gera

[Scorpious]

you seem to not accept that your past actions have consequences scorpious.
if this is a town vs town thing, then yeah we are screwed but it just looks like we are going to pluck a low hanging fruit that we think scum put there

don't talk to me unless you have something original to say..

You are literally paraphrasing what Andres said.

[Scorpious]

You’re still not understanding what I’m saying. If you have a tendency to do something as Scum, ignoring that possibility is dumb.

If you see that I self-vote a lot as Scum, but never as Town, and you’ve played with me a lot, and I’m self-voting in a game, what do you think that means on average? That’s a bit what some players are arguing. You can’t just ignore the past entirely because certain players do have tendencies. Is it repeating itself here? I don’t know, I’m not arguing your claim makes it so that you’re Scum. What I am saying is that the claim itself wouldn’t make it impossible for you to be Scum, despite how hard it is to maintain long-term.

I can guarantee that you will never see my fake claim mailman as Scum. I’m either a Scum mailman, or a Town mailman if I’m claiming it. But it’ll never be made up. We’re faced with the possibility that you could have made it up. Just because I wouldn’t do it doesn’t mean you wouldn’t. And your history helps judge that.

again, with this kind of reasoning. I see the need for alts. not disagreeing with you,but the fact that this conversation is happening.

I also could care less about my meta,have fun reading it. I'm one of the most erratic people you will have the pleasure of reading. I'm not good at this game. I just enjoy it cause its..get ready for it.. a game.. and fun.

[Scorpious]

And then after angela dropped the bomb and said she didn't receive your "message" I'm pushing you for probably faking a claim.

It's just super convenient that the person that is latched on to me like a tick happens to have the same type of role as I claimed..

do you not think

that might be part of why they are latched on to you?

I think the setup is designed to fuck with us now..

They were latched on to me way before I claimed, so its moot what their role allegedly is.

Hence the convenience factor.

i mean, kittytacky is either a friendly neighbour (confirmed town) or there is a mafia mailman (kittytacky confirmed mafia)

it seems more likely the friendly neighbour option to me as it seems consistent to me and i would think there should be a way to tell the difference, but i do not know it

and still you were either lying about being a mailman or roleblocked,

There can be both, the roles being on different factions makes sense, but that's moot since he apparently isn't even a mailman.

Just stop, you’re confirmed town.

Doesn’t mean I’m lying.
I’m just gonna pull a mailman claim out of my ass in a game that just happens to have another super rare role in it..

Ok Kitty, I hate when stubborn people get confirmed.

[Scorpious]

And then after angela dropped the bomb and said she didn't receive your "message" I'm pushing you for probably faking a claim.

It's just super convenient that the person that is latched on to me like a tick happens to have the same type of role as I claimed..

do you not think

that might be part of why they are latched on to you?

I think the setup is designed to fuck with us now..

They were latched on to me way before I claimed, so its moot what their role allegedly is.

Hence the convenience factor.

i mean, kittytacky is either a friendly neighbour (confirmed town) or there is a mafia mailman (kittytacky confirmed mafia)

it seems more likely the friendly neighbour option to me as it seems consistent to me and i would think there should be a way to tell the difference, but i do not know it

and still you were either lying about being a mailman or roleblocked,

There can be both, the roles being on different factions makes sense, but that's moot since he apparently isn't even a mailman.

Just stop, you’re confirmed town.

Doesn’t mean I’m lying.
I’m just gonna pull a mailman claim out of my ass in a game that just happens to have another super rare role in it..

Ok Kitty, I hate when stubborn people get confirmed.

You

could

be a real town mailman who got roleblocked but I just don't see that happening. Seems very unlikely.

Why is it unlikely? Scum know I’m town, and now they know my role.. blocking me is optimal play. Everyone is skeptical anyway. So why not re-enforce that? And cause even more doubt..

Like exactly what’s going on..

[Scorpious]

VOTE: scorpius

Which in turn causes this..

[Scorpious]

VOTE: scorpius

Any unique reasoning here or just hopping on the wagon?

[Scorpious]

^regarding Scorpious.

I would almost guess that they’re hedging in case Scorpious gets flipped, but it also allows them to avoid voting there.

I really don't care anymore honestly, I can see the wagon already formed, just vote me and get it over with so I can stop acting like I do.. it obvious I'm talking to walls and the more influential people on this site are going to eat me for lunch, just note who they are when I flip Green

[Scorpious]

Any unique reasoning here or just hopping on the wagon?

new information i dont hop on wagons just to be on there

you answered me so thats fair..

[Scorpious]

Am I E-1 already?

[Scorpious]

Am I?

[Scorpious]

If I’m E-1 I’ll self hammer. I’m not gonna do this for a week.

[Scorpious]

I guess since nobody wants to answer,lets find out..

VOTE: Scorpious

[Scorpious]

ok guess not..

UNVOTE:

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Adante

1,why not?
2,rep wa so weirdly timed.
3,Why not
4, entrance into the game was horrible..

[Scorpious]

ooh,

I like the non votes,easily at least one scum in there,and some deciding votes MUST be made..

[Scorpious]

and without Angela,my wagon looks god awful, lol

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Adante

1,why not?
2,rep wa so weirdly timed.
3,Why not
4, entrance into the game was horrible..

lol… my bad for not having time for 50 pages yet seeing a fun PL and replacing in…
rep weirdly time?? seriously.. that’s a reason to sr me? I’m not even voting you, why is this a fight you wanna pick? like, ok of the people who have been here… who do you SR there?? having no content doesn’t automatically make me scum

easy hoss, it was a reaction test..

you didn't do to well..

UNVOTE:

[Scorpious]

Do we know if you can get 2 messages in one night?

pedit-Angela already said the message confirmed Kitty as town. How is there even still a question about it?

[Scorpious]

like what do you think the message might say

based on the information you currently know?

I have no idea..

Yes or no. Did it explicitly indicate Kitty as town?

yes it did

that's what a friendly neighbour message is

Why would I send a message saying Kitty is town?

[Scorpious]

like what do you think the message might say

based on the information you currently know?

I have no idea..

Yes or no. Did it explicitly indicate Kitty as town?

yes it did

that's what a friendly neighbour message is

I'm only quoting this again because Angela seems to know exactly how it works based on this response.

[Scorpious]

The message from a mailman will say it came from another player. It’s never ambiguous.

@Scorpious, can you paraphrase what it says that the player receiving a message from you will be told when receiving your message?

They will be told it was from a mailman but wont be told the alignment.

[Scorpious]

however, i have absolutely no way of knowing if it would look any different if a mailman sent me a message saying kittytacky was town

yes, you would.. well at least now

you

know..

[Scorpious]

I'm not worried about the message anymore.

What worries me is how quickly you put thoughtful angela in the back seat and just started "trusting" people.

The message is irrelevant, we can go on about it for literal days..

[Scorpious]

And so we're all clear. I cannot confirm nor deny what a received mailman message actually looks like, I just have the role pm to tell me what I do.

[Scorpious]

I'm not worried about the message anymore.

What worries me is how quickly you put thoughtful angela in the back seat and just started "trusting" people.

The message is irrelevant, we can go on about it for literal days..

should i not have trusted the message? i don't understand what you're saying here

if you trust the message then i should have trusted the message

which i did and then paranoia started creeping in

like you're now literally saying

"okay kittytacky town i trust it!

why did you trust it???"

Far be it from me to say what you "should" do..

All I'm saying, is you have fought me tooth and nail since I told you I sent you a message and what it said.

Kitty then one-ups me and says they sent you one and you're like ok,town...

I guess it's my fault for not using the correct verbiage before when I asked if the message explictly "said" Kitty was town. I should have asked the right question: Did the messgae "CONFIRM" Kitty as town?

[Scorpious]

I'm very weirded out..

But I still think Kitty is really a town neighbor..

As much as I wish the person pushing me was scum, I don't think they are.

[Scorpious]

Am I the only one that is struggling with this? The contents of the message received by the target of the Friendly Neighbor do not come from the Friendly Neighbor. That’s literally never the case. It cannot be.

Can someone find an example of a game with a Friendly Neighbor and look at the Mod PT? I’m a bit tired of this conversation.

I think It's a waste of time,The only way this is fabricated is if they are both scum...

I don't see it..

[Scorpious]

Am I the only one that is struggling with this? The contents of the message received by the target of the Friendly Neighbor do not come from the Friendly Neighbor. That’s literally never the case. It cannot be.

Can someone find an example of a game with a Friendly Neighbor and look at the Mod PT? I’m a bit tired of this conversation.

I think It's a waste of time,The only way this is fabricated is if they are both scum...

I don't see it..

If I point you to a game where the Scum played a gambit where a Scum player claimed to be a Friendly Neighbor, and roped in another member of their Team as the recipient of the message, will you stop this? I have directly said that I have seen this used a gambit between members of Scum. You are getting all upset that folks don’t believe your claim of mailman, but then when another claim is scrutinized, you’re choosing to accept it at face value. Why, I don’t know.

Yes,I'll shut up. I have no buisness being involved in big brain plays... No sarcasm at all..

[Scorpious]

Am I the only one that is struggling with this? The contents of the message received by the target of the Friendly Neighbor do not come from the Friendly Neighbor. That’s literally never the case. It cannot be.

Can someone find an example of a game with a Friendly Neighbor and look at the Mod PT? I’m a bit tired of this conversation.

I think It's a waste of time,The only way this is fabricated is if they are both scum...

I don't see it..

if it's a fabricated friendly neighbour message its very likely you/kittytacky

pedit- I think there might be multiples to cause this exact reaction.

or there was a town mailman and a mafia mailman and a mafia roleblocker

and the mafia roleblocker blocked you and the mafia mailman sent me a fabricated friendly neighbour message

but that seems extremely unlikely as even the first option seems pretty unlikely to me

But I sent you a message, and that wasn't it..

[Scorpious]

Am I the only one that is struggling with this? The contents of the message received by the target of the Friendly Neighbor do not come from the Friendly Neighbor. That’s literally never the case. It cannot be.

Can someone find an example of a game with a Friendly Neighbor and look at the Mod PT? I’m a bit tired of this conversation.

I think It's a waste of time,The only way this is fabricated is if they are both scum...

I don't see it..

if it's a fabricated friendly neighbour message its very likely you/kittytacky

pedit- I think there might be multiples to cause this exact reaction.

or there was a town mailman and a mafia mailman and a mafia roleblocker

and the mafia roleblocker blocked you and the mafia mailman sent me a fabricated friendly neighbour message

but that seems extremely unlikely as even the first option seems pretty unlikely to me

But I sent you a message, and that wasn't it..

sorry, just clarifying this as I totally messed it up. the pedit is me.

[Scorpious]

Again I'm still fundamentally not getting how we can be unsure whether Kitty is neighbour or not if you received a message informing you of this from them. And if you were uncertain, why the immediate trust for their claim at the start of D2 vs distrust of Scorpious? You both seem to absolutely be trusting Kitty's claim while also admitting there's nothing which says it is definitively town?

Its a ballsy play from Kitty if they aren’t ..

Is that like them to do that?

[Scorpious]

nah haven't read much. Tweetie was voting Galron. I looked at Galron's ISO. it's bad. it also screams Malcolm is partner. so thus. Galron and malcolm maf

How is Galron’s ISO bad? What pinged you in particular?

sounds like angela SRs Galron, and you asking me this sounds like you don't SR Galron, so like, why is galron town?

Don’t you get how all this works? I’m every scum all the time..

It doesn’t matter what happens.

Someone could literally come out and throw the game and quote their scum pm and Angela would be like: “y’know, that bothers me , but I’m thinking Scorpious is the lim today” smh..

I said before I saw this horrible wagon forming, nothing is derailing it…

[Scorpious]

I apologize. Angela’s1795 was supposed to be quoted above the quotes that made it in.

[Scorpious]

death tunnel would be "no other reads matter"
Scorp, do you tr or sr galron

Very early I thought he was scum but his game tightened up and he’s more town to me now.

[Scorpious]

I mean, it still kinda works, angela is talking about a galron SR.. doesn't sound like she's deathtunneling you??

Kitty has been doing that. Angela is more analytical,except with Kitty, litterally said she is “just trusting” them, but it somehow always comes back to me..

Kitty is town though, which is frustrating… idk about Angela, but she’s set on me, regardless of the theatrics.

[Scorpious]

I wanna try something… ahem..

NERO NERO NERO!!!!!

[Scorpious]

GALRON GALRON GALRON!!

[Scorpious]

death tunnel would be "no other reads matter"
Scorp, do you tr or sr galron

Idk if it means anything but both Angela and Kitty have only voted me this game..

I didn’t double check my work, I know as a fact Kitty hasn’t,90% sure on Angela..

I’m going off memory, on a bus..

[Scorpious]

this is too vague to accept.
if you want to stay vague thats fine, but it does mean i will not change my opinion on scorpious

This is rich..

I am also happy with my vote.

[Scorpious]

Yeah Andrew, if you don't want Scorp to hang today then share your... anti-case.

He shouldn't have to. I wouldn't.. at least not at your command. You are so deep in your own tunnel you are almost anti-town at this point.

Aside from me, where else have you been hunting?

[Scorpious]

black box

term? just never seen it..

[Scorpious]

There has been some exceptional mud stirring overnight.
I am happy with my vote, I see no reason to move it

Do you have any thoughts or feelings on any of that mudslinging and what it means for the game or are you going to continue to avoid actively saying anything that might draw others onto you?

You know what, happy to put my vote here for now.

VOTE: geraintm

We’re not doing this. I’m completely against it. I want to see a resolution for the day that actually leads somewhere. Anyone can easily hide behind geraintm’s execution by arguing that it was another black box. I’m firmly against it.

So you think we should let someone cruise another day? I feel the game as a whole was fairly generous to let them live past D1,What have they done in your eyes to "buy" them another day. They did liek one VCA and a few meningless quips.. Not the "content" we were promised.

[Scorpious]

There has been some exceptional mud stirring overnight.
I am happy with my vote, I see no reason to move it

Do you have any thoughts or feelings on any of that mudslinging and what it means for the game or are you going to continue to avoid actively saying anything that might draw others onto you?

You know what, happy to put my vote here for now.

VOTE: geraintm

We’re not doing this. I’m completely against it. I want to see a resolution for the day that actually leads somewhere. Anyone can easily hide behind geraintm’s execution by arguing that it was another black box. I’m firmly against it.

So you think we should let someone cruise another day? I feel the game as a whole was fairly generous to let them live past D1,What have they done in your eyes to "buy" them another day. They did liek one VCA and a few meningless quips.. Not the "content" we were promised.

why is gerain your top concern?

I don't know If I would go as far as "top concern'. It's where my vote is, and I like it there..

How much of D1 did you read?

[Scorpious]

I'mportant "stuff" from first 100 posts
~ Nero is Town, Angela is Town, and Dragons is Town
I'm never voting there

Nero..Really...

Based on?

[Scorpious]

I'mportant "stuff" from first 100 posts
~ Nero is Town, Angela is Town, and Dragons is Town
I'm never voting there

Nero..Really...

Based on?

actually scratch that..

I dont need anymore Angela talk, Why STD and why Nero?

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Adante

until I feel better about them,which if this keep up may never happen, They absolutely failed my reaction test and their play has not made up for it.

[Scorpious]

I know I'm only talking to my SRs right now, but legit... I'm done lmao not gonna waste my time reading more if this is how it goes. I'm only talking to TRs from here on out

what the actual F man? Tantrums?

[Scorpious]

Like, here's what I don't get. it's all "andante have you read yet???" then I do start reading, and it's just "OMG YOU'RE CALLING ME SCUM? DIE!!" like excuse me?? I'm trying.. ok, so what I'm wrong on you, look at the other people...

you've been here for 4 days and are telling us you read the first 100 posts...

How would you react to that?

[Scorpious]

[quote="In post 1868, Scorpious"][quote="In post 1866, Andante"]I know I'm only talking to my SRs right now, but legit... I'm done lmao not gonna waste my time reading more if this is how it goes.

I'm only talking to TRs from here on out

100% anti-town behavior..

[Scorpious]

not my fault I had exams...

don't rep into games if you're previously obligated.. Exams are scheduled in advance..

I feel no sorrow for you..

[Scorpious]

I mean, look where talking to my SRs is going... how is it anti-town behavior to not want this to continue?

you said going forward you are only talking to TR's.. Thats anti-town.

[Scorpious]

how is d2 still going?

because some people actually converse and exchange ideas..

You should try it sometime.

[Scorpious]

how is d2 still going?

cause now I'm mafia!!!

less trolling, more reading..

[Scorpious]

Like, here's what I don't get. it's all "andante have you read yet???" then I do start reading, and it's just "OMG YOU'RE CALLING ME SCUM? DIE!!" like excuse me?? I'm trying.. ok, so what I'm wrong on you, look at the other people...

I can relate to this for some reason haha

As can i.. And nobody ever lets off the gas for me..

[Scorpious]

I'm not wasting time reading more. with all the crap I just got? we're winging it

you realise,nobody is giving you crap right?

They are trying to sort a slot that hasn't been active in days..

Are we supposed to tip toe around you?

[Scorpious]

Scorp, why don't you want Malcolm?

I don’t know why you would say I don’t want Malcolm.. Have I given that impression beyond not voting him!

For the most part I find them very town.

The only thing that scares me is how much we seem to have the same views on things. Like for someone to agree with me and say the same things I’m thinking is an absolute rarity.

I’m usually being told how bad of a player I am.. I don’t see myself as someone anyone considers worth pocketing.
That’s really the only counter weight to my town read on him..

Also not a fan of how this wagon is forming either.. same way mine formed, and I know I’m town so it makes me believe the push on him is meh at best.. unless someone drops some pretty compelling shit. I don’t think I’ll go that way.

My pool is Gera and you like neck and neck then Nero, and I’m very confused on Angela and Andres.

STD feels town, but it’s just a few, nothing worth commiting to.

Kitty is stubborn town, I hate when players think they can stop hunting when they are confirmed.
They haven’t looked past me this whole game and it’s such a waste.

[Scorpious]

i trust my town group of angela andres scorpius malcolmtucker n galron

mafia probably has to be in kitty geraintm save the dragons andante n nero

VOTE: scorpius

I realize you're not a very wordy player, but can you comment on your thought process while these were being posted?

[Scorpious]

It's fair to note that you have unvoted me since, but I'd like to know what you were thinking over the 120 posts.

[Scorpious]

geraintm could be town if i read his posts alone n he feels more town if you read everything back with scorpius n malcolmtucker as mafia
i dont know about andante rly but it doesnt seem like she is the same alignment with malcolm n scorpius n the way they both interacted with her made me think they r mafia i like her posts n she is the main reason i did a rethink n reread
if they r partners i wouldnt know who the third person is but starting with scorpius seems like a good move

I think flipping scorpious gives Town a whole host of info on people's relationships, and given (at least from my point of view) a red flip , I don't think there would be many spots left for scum to hide. We will soon find them

[Scorpious]

if scorpious flips green, then town are in serious trouble with not many eliminations left and will have to play extremely well from that point on. but we can worry about that if it happens.

of all you posts this is the scummiest one. I'll let others figure out why.

[Scorpious]

Why wouldnt i go hard on Scorpious? If a confirmed Townie thinks they are scum, and all the logic to me makes sense, then i am going to go the same way,

confirmed town does not mean that are granted 100% knowledge, you know that right?
How many "confirmed "town have you seen with wrong reads in games? I use quotes not for kitty, but in general.

[Scorpious]

i am certainly not going to let Scorpious and their partners unknown attempt to muddy the day and let town go in a different direction. i have seen zero options put forward by anyone that is better than elimianting Scorpious.

We've seen zero options from anyone other than me and Andres..period..

[Scorpious]

i am certainly not going to let Scorpious and their partners unknown attempt to muddy the day and let town go in a different direction.

Where have I seen this behavior before?

was it D1? was it someone who was basically on their knees ssaying "Let me live,I'll be better in D2" *tear*

[Scorpious]

oh many are wrong, and if you are town, then your belief i am scum is wrong for example.
but their logic makes sense and i see no better place to go today.

please don't just fight me for voting you though, you don't get to try and distract your wagon by chipping at bits of it. there are i believe 3 votes on you and a strong 4th.##i have no idea what yuor snide comment about ym post 1931 is about btw.

truth is you have hopped lazily on my wagon,and done nothing else this game.

your playing a basic scum game and its apparent.

[Scorpious]

And the wagon,including you on me is horrible right now, Give me why you TR the current wagon please.
Work for your vote here..

[Scorpious]

if it's true, scorp is confirmed maf then!! cause angela is town

how does "confirmed" Angela make me maf?

[Scorpious]

Gera,
If you’re so worried about “places for scum to hide”..

Why are you not questioning the lesser active slots which traditionally have MUCH better odds at being hiding scum?

If you’re town motivated, wouldn’t you question those too if you’re using eliminating hiding spots as reasons to vote me?

Tbh, your play, Or more the acceptance of it has my solving parts going crazy right now..

[Scorpious]

Why wouldnt i go hard on Scorpious? If a confirmed Townie thinks they are scum, and all the logic to me makes sense, then i am going to go the same way,

confirmed town does not mean that are granted 100% knowledge, you know that right?
How many "confirmed "town have you seen with wrong reads in games? I use quotes not for kitty, but in general.

Not really defending yourself. I can be wrong, the point is that gera and I think I'm more likely

right

.

Gera,
If you’re so worried about “places for scum to hide”..

Why are you not questioning the lesser active slots which traditionally have MUCH better odds at being hiding scum?

If you’re town motivated, wouldn’t you question those too if you’re using eliminating hiding spots as reasons to vote me?

Tbh, your play, Or more the acceptance of it has my solving parts going crazy right now..

Appeal to activity. Just because you're active doesn't mean your claim doesn't seem pretty sus given what we know of the setup.

Enjoy your tunnel, I'm done even trying to talk rationally to you. You are set on me..
Which is fine because it will help town when I flip and you wont like it.

[Scorpious]

I'll say it one more time. Being confirmed doesnt give you the excuse to stop tryuing to solve the game..

You're locked in on town and have no desire to look elsewhere, It's a huge waste.

A smart player would use the confirmation as a backing to provide actual game solving scenarios,not be hell bent on the person you've been stuck on since D1.

[Scorpious]

Enjoy your tunnel, I'm done even trying to talk rationally to you. You are set on me..
Which is fine because it will help town when I flip and you wont like it.

scorpious no please if you're town here

like to you know you are town right

so you can be ahead of us on like

the being roleblocked and stuff and what that means for the game

and maybe you have said in the past handful of pages,

i haven't yet read them super closely or anything, working on this

but like, who do you think the scums are in that world and why,

I've given how I feel on multiple slots, multiple times.

Gera is my top SR becasue their posting is utterly useless, and I struggle to see town motivation in anything they post.I want to know how many days this game is going to let him cruise.

I'm VERY wary of STD and NERO, like play or rep out.. and Andante's game so far has been putrid...

Don't rep into the game if you have proior obligations and use that as an excuse when people call you out on it..

[Scorpious]

I also don't like how Gera assumes Kitty is right,becasue they are confirmed town.

As I said, being confirmed does not give you the right to stop hunting. We should be taking advantage of a confirmed townie,and they should be as well. Not just parking a vote. Kitty is giving away any advantage we might have by having a confirmed townie.

Also, the fact that all it would take is one message from me to go through is all it would take to prove I was blocked..

But that means not limming me...

Last note, the wagon on me is atrocious, After I flip just go down the list and we will win this game..

[Scorpious]

I also don't like how Gera assumes Kitty is right,becasue they are confirmed town.

As I said, being confirmed does not give you the right to stop hunting. We should be taking advantage of a confirmed townie,and they should be as well. Not just parking a vote. Kitty is giving away any advantage we might have by having a confirmed townie.

Also, the fact that all it would take is one message from me to go through is all it would take to prove I was blocked..

But that means not limming me...

Last note, the wagon on me is atrocious, After I flip just go down the list and we will win this game..

right but how does that hunting not currently lead back to the same place?

like if there is a roleblocker how do you think the message would get through?

like tomorrow if no message is it just ope guess roleblocked again?

forever?

and there are a lot of other elements to that specifically that probably not really worth getting into

i think the Rb would be more focused on blocking the "confirmed" town than the person that litterally everyone is skeptical off.. No way Ktty's message makes it through tonight.

Which could be the point of the setup, Does scum block me and double down on the narrative that I'm l ying,or do they block Kitty in tellling another townie that they are confirmed.

[Scorpious]

i think the Rb would be more focused on blocking the "confirmed" town than the person that litterally everyone is skeptical off.. No way Ktty's message makes it through tonight.

Which could be the point of the setup, Does scum block me and double down on the narrative that I'm l ying,or do they block Kitty in tellling another townie that they are confirmed.

what? why wouldn't the mafia simply kill kittytacky?

wasted kill on N2..

[Scorpious]

also if they turn up dead and I was blocked again. Me being blocked becomes even more logical to the game..

[Scorpious]

i think the Rb would be more focused on blocking the "confirmed" town than the person that litterally everyone is skeptical off.. No way Ktty's message makes it through tonight.

Which could be the point of the setup, Does scum block me and double down on the narrative that I'm l ying,or do they block Kitty in tellling another townie that they are confirmed.

what? why wouldn't the mafia simply kill kittytacky?

which like, yes completely my fault on outing kittytacky i know, couldn't really think of another way to proceed there

but wouldn't the mafia prioritize killing kittytacky? rather than roleblocking?

why? The only person other than me that Kitty has even hinted at being scum,is Nero..

Kitty has done no hunting,there is a chance they send their message to scum,killing them prevents that and wastes a kill..

[Scorpious]

Like,I'm sending my message to you again tonight if I live. If scum wants to block it,then we gotta hope Kitty picks another townie. We can't just go on your word,but after tomorrow. if someone else got the message, then you them,and whoever else plus me is 4 town..

That bloc alone can win the game..

[Scorpious]

People need to realize how much I am a thorn in the side of scum right now...

[Scorpious]

why? The only person other than me that Kitty has even hinted at being scum,is Nero..

Kitty has done no hunting,there is a chance they send their message to scum,killing them prevents that and wastes a kill..

not really sure it's good for me to theorizing on nightkills but here we are

because kittytacky is confirmed town and likely needs to be nightkilled by mafia at some point right

so the mafia pushing this greatly limits nightkills in the future

and also! even if not going to nightkill kittytacky, they would not roleblock

as roleblocking kittytacky accomplishes nothing kittytacky already confirmed town

like the mafia can't actually push the andresvmb suggested mafia partners fakeclaiming thing realistically,

like it seems very unlikely to me that mafia would think that would be a winning line

Kitty has been "confirmed" by you.. Who could be anyone...
I don't see you being even close to confirmed.

So basing any activity off of that is fallable. If I were scum I would block them,and kill me..

but killing me exposes the horrible pushes.. then yay..WIFOM..

pedit-

also how would someone else getting the message make that player town?

I didn't say that..

[Scorpious]

eh it's nonsensical to me that you insist on kittytacky hunting instead of relying on mechanics

you think it's nonsensical for kitty to stop hunting after they are confirmed?

[Scorpious]

and that you think i might be mafia here based on play as i really don't see how any amount of 'hunting' could lead you to that conclusion

I said we're(I'm) not sure about you. please don't mis rep me. I didn't say you were maf outright.

[Scorpious]

what does this:
In post 1977, Scorpious wrote:
if someone else got the message, then you them,and whoever else plus me is 4 town..

mean then?

fair, if that person Is town. They're gonna say they got the message. if they don't then they ware scum.
Kitty will tell us. so its either a 4-town bloc or kitty found a scum.

[Scorpious]

Looks like Adante didn't want to be scum after all..

That slot is #1 on my radar now..

[Scorpious]

eh it's nonsensical to me that you insist on kittytacky hunting instead of relying on mechanics

you think it's nonsensical for kitty to stop hunting after they are confirmed?

no i think the hunting leads us in a circle back to the same place,

like you keep saying that kittytacky needs to go find other mafias,

but as i have been trying to say here, it still feels to me like the thing that needs to be resolved for this is you,

I think you're missing my point...
Kitty is not doing town any favors by locking on to me. They made their point. They should use the clout that you have given them to be able to move around and question freely..

How does it help town to litterally not entertain anything beyond what they were saying, BEFORE any of this came to light.

[Scorpious]

Looks like Adante didn't want to be scum after all..

That slot is #1 on my radar now..

eh don't think it's alignment indicative

of course you don't...

[Scorpious]

Looks like Adante didn't want to be scum after all..

That slot is #1 on my radar now..

eh don't think it's alignment indicative

of course you don't...

have recent past experience with andante leaving in a very similar manner as town

so yes, of course i don't

I just realized I'm wasting my time.. You are tunneled on me too... You didn't even question that..

I'm done here..

[Scorpious]

Sup bitches. It's ya boi.

VOTE: Jackson

[Scorpious]

And just so we’re clear..
I’m the games I have played, based on some shitty math the repped slots are 37% scum.

Which 37% is usually higher than the confidence I have in my own reads.

Vote isn’t parked, but Jackson has to earn the unvote.. So far so good..

[Scorpious]

And just so we’re clear..
I’m the games I have played, based on some shitty math the repped slots are 37% scum.

Which 37% is usually higher than the confidence I have in my own reads.

Vote isn’t parked, but Jackson has to earn the unvote.. So far so good..

Where are you getting that percentage from? I do not appreciate statistics being pulled from thin air.

Out of 13 players. Assuming 3 scum. It's 23.08% exactly as to any specific slot being scum. So are you claiming that replacing out specifically makes the individual chance of them flipping scum greater than if they did not replace out?

I do not appreciate, and I will not tolerate, shade like you have just done regarding your sentence about my vote. Do not continue this. If you feel the need to make these comments, do so with reasoning or I am going to assume it's from scum wanting to discredit my slot.

From my games on this site..

What is it with this slot and terrible overreacting? I was actually giving you credit..

[Scorpious]

What is it with this slot and terrible overreacting? I was actually giving you credit..

It was a backhanded "compliment"

No, it wasn’t.

I gave you my math.
Said my vote wasn’t parked.
Said you were doing well so far in getting it removed.

If you felt it was backhanded. That’s your own personal issues to work out.

And, yes. You reacted poorly.

[Scorpious]

From my games on this site..

I personally cannot follow or trust in the math which is created without showing how you got to the conclusion you have gotten to, I am sure you can understand this.

This is generally pointless to argue as N_M has flipped Town. Unless you are talking about my own slot which has replaced out twice now, is this what you are talking about?

I honestly don’t have any notes on slots that have repped twice..

It’s not new to anyone that people rep out of scum slots.. I don’t see why you are even surprised at the question.

And it’s a running tally… if you flip red that number becomes just under 40… I don’t think 4/10 scum slots being repped out of is outrageous, nor would I find the 34% number weird if you are town.

[Scorpious]

Why don’t you focus more on catching up and working for your unvote.

You repped into a slot that has been less than impressive..

[Scorpious]

the more kitty talks about people suspecting him the more defensive he gets n the more suspicious i get

The cardinal sin of defending yourself when pushed...

VOTE: Scorpious

[Scorpious]

That vote was separate in context from the rest of the post as has been said. I voted you on vibes, then decided to keep my vote after you claimed a role I felt is mechanically more likely to be scum. Then I kept my vote D2 because I feel you lying is more likely than you being RBed.

You’re a joke..

[Scorpious]

Why do the town confirmable roles always go to most dense of players?

[Scorpious]

I’m E-2 btw…

While not a “rule” it seems like the courteous thing to do is call out E-2’s and E-1’s… Nobody in this game has been doing that..

Hence my accidental hammer. Always found it a little scummy to not do it..

Thoughts from anyone?

[Scorpious]

I don’t want to break the rules, I’ve always considered a “gentle-persons agreement”. But don’t know it is in stone.

Is site activity outside the game permissible to discuss?

[Scorpious]

Thanks,
I’m dropping the outside activity idea..

[Scorpious]

At this point if the only question is if my frustration is real(it is)..

Just stop the theatrics and vote me, my green flip will help town more than me just sitting here being frustrated.

I’ve presented numerous reasons why this push is terrible. Nobody cares…

[Scorpious]

And further honesty.

I’d like to see kitty’s reaction… I just hate when confirmed town goes deadbeat and thinks they won because they have a confirmed role..

IC’s do this all the time..

[Scorpious]

I have a busy Saturday, if anyone has questions I’ll try to answer.

[Scorpious]

Nah.

Just read Andres post and listened… Then voted

That was my biggest mistake here

[Scorpious]

My question is just all this inane posturing. Nobody is changing their minds, everyone is agreeing..

Yet I’m still here… I’ve never seen a lim take so long, nobody is pushing anyone else, everyone is satisfied, yet no votes. Well 3..

It’s kind of annoying. You’re not gonna get me to “slip” cause I’m not hiding anything.

Nobody is pushing Gera, why?
Nobody is pushing the Adante slot, Jackson seems like he’s just waiting for me to be limmed btw. I mean why not? That play style of just sitting doing nothing had kept Gera alive..

Gera. Who’s your lim pool btw? Cause you’ve done nothing. At least contribute that..

The cases on me have been absolute shit.

Smart town should be like “well we have a claim, no counter, and their behavior isn’t scummy at all..

No we have death tunnels and scum just sitting back and laughing..

That is why this is taking so long, there is probably one scum on my wagon as of now and the lurkers are just waiting for it to happen.

Kitty is death tunneled on me. Has offered NOTHING to the game beyond me being scum
And according to them saying “STD might be scum” a couple times… wow!! What an amazing piece of detective work… you have the power of being confirmed and your game is not helping us at all.
You are litterally helping scum… DO SOMETHING kitty…

[Scorpious]

y would they frame town when they can just kill them

Because then everyone would know I was telling the truth.

[Scorpious]

Really fuck this game…

GG scum, this town isn’t doing shit..

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Scorpious

Hammer me please..

[Scorpious]

y would they frame town when they can just kill them

This is the dumbest question ever asked in a mafia game… like… ever

[Scorpious]

Smart town should be like “well we have a claim, no counter, and their behavior isn’t scummy at all..

if u said u sent angela a message n she didnt receive it but she said she received kittys how can u call town dumb for coming to a logical conclusion

This ^^^
There are too many issues with scorpious bring town

I’m gonna adopt the “ pleeeeeease let me live until tomorrow” strategy next game. While also adding nothing of value to the game…

Seems to work better than participating and playing the game..

[Scorpious]

I am happy with the logic of scorpious needing to go. I looked earlier in at other suspects before the whole angela/kitty stuff came to light but town can wait on the until tomorrow when we have more info.
I see no reason to look for others to vote off today, when they would best be based on gut whilst as I have said many times, I love the case on scorpious

Really, fuck you..

We let you live and you are saying you have nothing other then gut to vote others off..

This is scum… anyone that doesn’t see it, should take a break from playing..

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Gera

Also noting that Rathe only appears when he shows up to spew his brand of bullshit..

[Scorpious]

Amuse me Gera:

What are your thoughts on the lack of activity from Galron?
Do you think Kitty should be doing more?
What are your thoughts on Rathe producing filler content?

Give us a reason to make us feel comfortable about you..

How do you feel about STD? Same question about Nero?
Why do you think Angela is so hesitant to vote?

[Scorpious]

Rathe,
Why do you think with all the talk about me being the lim, there are no votes?

[Scorpious]

Let’s not forget, Gera’s lim options for D1 were me or “no lim”…

And we let that live..

[Scorpious]

I am happy with the logic of scorpious needing to go. I looked earlier in at other suspects before the whole angela/kitty stuff came to light but town can wait on the until tomorrow when we have more info.
I see no reason to look for others to vote off today, when they would best be based on gut whilst as I have said many times, I love the case on scorpious

Really, fuck you..
g..

If a game is genuinely causing you this much unhappiness then you need to step away

It’s not the game..

[Scorpious]

Really, fuck you..

We let you live and you are saying you have nothing other then gut to vote others off..

This is scum… anyone that doesn’t see it, should take a break from playing..

Please refrain from using this language in the game.

Fair. Sorry Gera and game..

[Scorpious]

That vote count makes no sense in relation to the amount of pushing I’ve been getting…

[Scorpious]

Because then everyone would know I was telling the truth.

it just doesnt make sense to me for mafia angela n kitty to frame u when they can go along with it n just kill u at night

Umm, Kitty is confirmed town.. and I never said Angela was scum..

Where are you getting this?

[Scorpious]

Rathe,
Why do you think with all the talk about me being the lim, there are no votes?

its the weekend

…

[Scorpious]

So, i am doing my look back at yesterdays votes.
Knowing Not Mafia and Pooky are green, i am trying to look at the wagons, who was on them and anything interesting.
TO me, the intersting bit happens after Vote 1.13
There, Not mafia had 2 votes (one a self vote, the other from Nero cain), Save the dragon had 2 votes (from galron and rathe) and Scrpious had 2 (from Andres and Kittytacky

Votecount 1.13

Shakira - Waka Waka

(2010)

Commentary: What a nice way to commemorate the first time the FIFA World Cup was held in South Africa. And Africa as a continent too.

Not_Mafia

(2):

Not_Mafia

,

Nero Cain

Save The Dragons

(2):

Galron

,

Rathe

Scorpious

(2):

KittyTacky

,

Andresvmb

Galron

(1):

Morning Tweet

geraintm

(1):

MalcolmTucker

KittyTacky

(1):

PookyTheMagicalBear

MalcolmTucker

(1):

Save The Dragons

Not Voting

(3):

angela

,

Scorpious

,

geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 ends in: (expired on 2022-03-27 01:39:00).

Please check if the VC is correct.

VOTE: save the dragons

Then i vote (joining largest wagon and i think ihad previously said i didn't want to vote scorpious due to claim and as a tie break between a wagon with not mafia self voting and one without aself vote, i'll go with the one with 2 genuine votes)

I'm still unsure on geraint but I think them being unwilling to get on the Scorpious bandwagon given they've been a main candidate so far is quite townie.

I'm happy to move my vote from there if nobody else fancies it, and fine to get on an STD bandwagon because I don't think they've looked townie so far and their suspicions of Rathe feel very manufactured.

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Busy day ahead so likely won't be around till D2.

then malcolm tucker votes - so Save the dragon is now on 4, but effectivly 5 due to not mafia


Then ANgela votes Not Mafia - in the same post saying they think Scorpious is scum.
because today, i want to understand how a sudden wagon that formed on save the dragon and had got up to 4 (or 5 votes) was derailed onto Not mafia who ends up town.
and Angela's vote now looks...weird

and then 2 posts later Angela then says they are wary of Save the dragon - but they've voted Not Mafia....

Kitty comes in and says NM is fine, shoudl eliminate between STD and scorpious

Next vote is Pooky on Not MAfia. no explanation
has a previous post

I am fine with STD - Tweet - NM atp

where they have STD as higher up the chain than Not Mafia yet when given the choice between STD and not mafia, then went with not mafia...

that is now 4 votes each for STD and not mafia, except one of not mafia is themselves and doesnt count

scorpious votes and avoids both wagons

rathe chips in with "the NM votes are weird"

after the next vote count, STD votes Not mafia

I don't like that wagon make up on STD.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

we get this from Galron

not mafia votes for me!
I vote not mafia thinking it is the hammer because i am still on the "vote longest wagon" plan and someone had just said they were at 1 off elimination.
if not mafia had voted Save the dragon there btw, i don't think i move my vote from STD

i then miss the next few votes on STD from Not Mafia and Andres because i've assumed the day is gone and scorpious hammers.

I am suspicious as F about the wagon forming on NM and off STD. the votes from Angela (who had sat there with no votes the entire game), Pooky (who had been voting Kitty the whole game outside opening random votes until the NM vote) & Galron (who switched from STD to NM) look terrible.

Those 3 are where i think my suspicions lie and i don't think i want to vote outside them today.

My previous posts about liking what Angela was saying were written before i looked at the votes.

VOTE: scorpious
not even sure why i am not

i repeat i do not see angela and scorpious as being opposite alignments

Can you please explain how you got from point A to point B here?

[Scorpious]

how are they even going to explain living through the night claiming cop or doctor?

like i really don’t understand

Bulletproof Cop.

I’m so proud of that

[Scorpious]

scorpius what message did u get from the moderator after you sent the message to angela

Just confirmation of night action, nothing specific..

[Scorpious]

Wh... WHAT.
WHAT?

LITERALLY WHAT.

VOTE: AngelaVOTE: AngelaVOTE: AngelaVOTE: AngelaVOTE: AngelaVOTE: AngelaVOTE: AngelaVOTE: AngelaVOTE: AngelaVOTE: AngelaVOTE: Angela

You’re gonna explain this, right?

[Scorpious]

I think we broke Enchant.

[Scorpious]

Fwiw, I have a really tough time seeing Angela as scum.

I’m not a fan of the elongated reasoning but that’s just playstyle.

Like, I knew they were going to vote me like everyone else in here did,but they literally took 4 days of “thoughts” to do so..

[Scorpious]

I just wish with all that reasoning Angela would come up with the right solution, but nobody is perfect.

[Scorpious]

I feel you and kitty are town. Kitty is obvious.

I’m always wary of replacements, just based on people and experience here.
People don’t like being scum, a big if, if I had to say one of the reps was scum it would be Jackson but that’s only based on the fact that they are attempt #3 at that slot. But that’s a stretch.

I don’t like Gera, that’s a scum, I’m very hedgy on Rathe. I don’t like how Nero and STD have straight fallen off the planet, but those 2 are n_m esque… is it AI for them? I never know

I think out of Malcolm and Andres there is a scum.. I’m letting myself look at both reps as town for now..

[Scorpious]

Just a quick revision. I guess STD is on V/LA. So there is that… but I’m still hoping for more upon return

[Scorpious]

Let’s all remember the ONLY one that has had any pressure is me..

We have not seen anyone else respond to actual pressure. I’d love to see how Gera responds to some real pressure.

[Scorpious]

scorpius what message did u get from the moderator after you sent the message to angela

Just confirmation of night action, nothing specific..

the reason i was asking is cuz the mod confirms whether the action was successful or not but nm we cant rly ask about mod action so sorry

I’ve never had a mod confirm this… ever…

Just whether or not they received it.

[Scorpious]

I need to more carefully remember with who i playing with.

Literally i don't even know half of list.

we have played together a few times;

you replaced into radio buzz which i think may have been the first, and trust fall was the most recent

I don't remember you in trust fall at all.

It’s been established Angela has … many…. Alts

[Scorpious]

Finally..

[Scorpious]

I’m just so …tired…

[Scorpious]

Before I get overwritten though. You’re a great group..

[Scorpious]

Before I get overwritten though. You’re a great group..

Overwritten?

Just fun with verbs. And half the fun of being the mod is the reveal..

I won’t spoil that..

[Scorpious]

[Scorpious]

That was going to be my message to Angela tonight..

[Scorpious]

I really enjoyed this group..

Thank you for hosting Greeting..

GG everyone

[Scorpious]

Why didn't the message go through anyways? That's the main mystery.

Because Scorpious didn't send it.

Again, why your FN was the MOAB for me..

I didn’t want to move since I was sus..

[Scorpious]

Why didn't the message go through anyways? That's the main mystery.

Because Scorpious didn't send it.

Again, why your FN was the MOAB for me..

I didn’t want to move since I was sus..

I never understood why you refused to send your message. It would have confirmed you as a Mailman, and you could have tried to convince town that you're a Town Mailman, which is the usual alignment for the Mailman role. Although, in this setup, the Friendly Neighbor was the counterbalance, nowhere does it say that town cannot have both a FN and a Mailman. In fact, I'd bet that someone will include both of these roles as town like KittyTacky said in the Dead Thread.

I wanted to frame someone as an RB, which had been legitimately accepted, again, without the bomb.

I’m not upset in anyway. I had fun

[Scorpious]

A few lessons I've learnt:

The rule on alts felt great and revolutionary to me when designing the setup, but, in practice, it backfired and caused problems for me while modding. I will not reuse it in my next game. I might revisit it in the future, but I promise that I will ensure that no one is taken with it by surprise.

The second prod rule was meant to be a moment for players to stop and think whether they have the time to commit to the game. In practice, it caused a problem when I learnt that not all players read their PMs. So next game this will be discontinued too, and replaced with a simple three strike out.

I think this site needs to limit alts…

But that’s way above my pay grade

[Scorpious]

Btw

The d1 hammer was purely accident..