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[tictac]

I get townvibes from this and would like to know if anyone disagrees

I disagree

[tictac]

i'm claiming that i'm not in any hood

why tho?

[tictac]

Good morning everyone!!! Let’s obliterate scum

VOTE: tictac

omgs
VOTE: meuh

[tictac]

marcistar is so kawaii

that's a valid read into the game

[tictac]

Why do u have a POE already when theres people who havent even posted yet?

Why not? Those who have not posted are null, and there are 4 suspicious people with a maximum of 3 scum.

It isn't looking at the full picture right now since some players havent posted yet, ur "poe" is the weirdest thing ever, without explanation it looks like ur mainly after the people who are actually doing stuff.
Can u explain on ur reads honey?

note to self

[tictac]

marci feels actually slightly town. Not for outing the hood itself, I like the lightheartedness in their posts, feels natural.

Lion's 55 gives me negative vibes. I can't put my finger on it if it feels rather artificial or over the top. Obviously there is more history, I am just not sure what exactly else he was expecting there. Feels more like making more out of it than it actually is.

Then again I agree with him that dwlee's response wasn't great.

VOTE: dwlee99

This post also sucks. Soft push buddy but vote town is the vibe I'm getting from this.

What do you make of a POE of {Lion, Testarossa, dkoba/marci}?

meh, meh, bad

k. unnote

[tictac]

idk if koba is town. i dont know if a rapid show of gamesolving to get townread early is outside of their scum range. i also think that the way they went so hot on Dwlee on a poor reaction test makes me think it's fabricated so they can have somewhere to push.

yeah. it's null
same w lion

[tictac]

hectic what do you think of koba

why do folks think i'm hectic?
no opinion yet

[tictac]

why can't they be town using forced reads?

[tictac]

why would they have to? if scum and it's within their reportoire, they already took that shot in dwlee. i'm not sure there was any development in that read thus far — so why would they do another forced read and vote me?

only town would have to, maybe

ebwop

tho actually they do it cause it's what they do as town (as both align)

[tictac]

tho actually they do it cause it's what they do as town (as both align)

ah okay. so... trolling, you think?

not really. it's an useful thing to do.
protown yet nai

[tictac]

^not super constuctive
@nk it's not 1 scum+ 1 traitor. that would make the scumteam weaker than standard 4 9p, so wildly unbalanced.

[tictac]

marcistar is so kawaii

that's a valid read into the game

I'm a bit confused by these two posts - are you saying you think marci is town but you disagree with the reasons I gave? or do you not townread marci?

kawaii isn't the same as town.
i actually questioned whether marci was genuine in asking 4 help managing neighborhoods, since she's not totally new and having a neighbor of unknown align isn't really different from having other folks here also of unknown align. these "too newbish" reads have kinda horrible accuracy tho, and tonewise she seems towny.. soo lots of words to say "i don't have a read there yet" and "u pointed the most scumish post she has as a reason 4 a townread"

[tictac]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600

example that comes to mind


and also a game where i won bc people assumed i had to be town based on a claim

umm. that's a town win?

[tictac]

I think you guyses fight just looks like a fight made just to fight tho

kiss and make up rn

sync

[tictac]

I think you guyses fight just looks like a fight made just to fight tho

kiss and make up rn

sync

Why?

monkey read on lion seems like magnetic to calling him scum.
initially it's a reason 4 a townread but it's a scumread instead, the he is influenced by folks talkin fith him, then it's fite me cause u don't wanna fite me.

[tictac]

@monkee: dunno why u think scumlion wants to avoid a fight w u. u both easier yeet and more valuable miseet from his pow then dwee. lion refusing to 1v1 u is town indic.
@lion: red flips are inherintly more suprising tham green ones.

[tictac]

lion refusing to 1v1 u is town indic.

or rather him being resistant to it.

[tictac]

@lion u doing a day1 preflip associat w monkee and dwe. in case u weren't aware.
that is also silly

[tictac]

Can't say I adore this intro, feels a bit opportunistic
placing a non-random vote on someone being openly scumread by others for a brand new reason without initially engaging with the argument that brought the spotlight on them in the first place?

kinda like the 2 absent slots coming liive and both honing on the one slot that's under pressure and having their own reasons.
granted, chaos fits this bill more blatantly than u do. thought about waiting to see if u became more clear on the issue, but that's gonna last forever.
not sure if it's opportunistic really. i'd more call it coincidental, as in "i don't think this is what naturally happens when new people read through a game and form opinions about it"

[tictac]

i'm kinda okay w meuh, but would slightly prefer chaos if it's not gonna be a vanity wagon.

[tictac]

Can't say I adore this intro, feels a bit opportunistic
placing a non-random vote on someone being openly scumread by others for a brand new reason without initially engaging with the argument that brought the spotlight on them in the first place?

kinda like the 2 absent slots coming liive and both honing on the one slot that's under pressure and having their own reasons.
granted, chaos fits this bill more blatantly than u do. thought about waiting to see if u became more clear on the issue, but that's gonna last forever.
not sure if it's opportunistic really. i'd more call it coincidental, as in "i don't think this is what naturally happens when new people read through a game and form opinions about it"

[tictac]

did u like read what i wrote?

[tictac]

Yes i did
Ur implying chaos and meuh entrance was fake

yea. and ur reply is "no it's real cuz effort"

[tictac]

my entrance when im late is like

yo

What up


ok i think X is town on this page let me read lol

Etc.

So not sure what ur saying tictac

u compared this approach to what chaos did

[tictac]

Koba stop falling for Roden’s tricks
This is the same lame defensive maneuver we had to keep Nancy Drew from overdoing in Townstumps

Literally what tricks?? Koba is going after

me

. I town read them, they're just way off course with everything they're saying.

You’re making things about past games rather than the present game
Your read on Koba has literally zero to do with it but nice attempt at a misdirect

that's a gamma-trick not a roden-trick
i got a flashback of u saying i have 'antics'

[tictac]

meuh been cool during this l-1 thing.

VOTE: chaos
@dk feel free to use like arguments if u got something against this
@lion ur thing here boils down to "too scummy to be scum", which is not persuasive.

[tictac]

Can't say I adore this intro, feels a bit opportunistic
placing a non-random vote on someone being openly scumread by others for a brand new reason without initially engaging with the argument that brought the spotlight on them in the first place?

kinda like the 2 absent slots coming liive and both honing on the one slot that's under pressure and having their own reasons.
granted, chaos fits this bill more blatantly than u do. thought about waiting to see if u became more clear on the issue, but that's gonna last forever.
not sure if it's opportunistic really. i'd more call it coincidental, as in "i don't think this is what naturally happens when new people read through a game and form opinions about it"

[tictac]

which thing? my point on Roden?

the point on chaos whom i vote 4 in that post

[tictac]

I think Chaos having the bravery to actually add another vote to my wagon is generally +town, I think scum that knows I'm town would be a little more tentative there, even if they vote me I think they'd play for towncred elsewhere. I don't like that his post nearly exclusively focused on me, hence why I asked about the townreads, but at least it was game advancing

== too scum 2 be scum

[tictac]

mafia unverse is another forum.
wiki is good if somewhat out of date.
newest thing is were not supposed to use the old term 4 elimination.

[tictac]

The antics thing was FFXIV right
also, wdym that’s a me-trick, are you still talking about focusing on past games? If yes, I’ll admit you have a point but I do it as BOTH alignments.

yea, and yea.
and okay. u didn't used to do it so much, so i remember it from recent ones.
still a weird angle 4 u to be pushing someone else from.

[tictac]

Can't say I adore this intro, feels a bit opportunistic
placing a non-random vote on someone being openly scumread by others for a brand new reason without initially engaging with the argument that brought the spotlight on them in the first place?

kinda like the 2 absent slots coming liive and both honing on the one slot that's under pressure and having their own reasons.
granted, chaos fits this bill more blatantly than u do. thought about waiting to see if u became more clear on the issue, but that's gonna last forever.
not sure if it's opportunistic really. i'd more call it coincidental, as in "i don't think this is what naturally happens when new people read through a game and form opinions about it"

@ shadowgirl

[tictac]

@shadowgirl
no. i'm saying that the phenomenon of "new people read through the game and end up believing what the loud voices already believe, but for different reasons" strikes me as unlikely to actually occur naturally, and thus chaos is scummy.
i'm delaying judgement on gamma. he's a good player, so i'm somewhat reluctant to do a day1 yeet on him.

[tictac]

kinda like the 2 absent slots coming liive and both honing on the one slot that's under pressure and having their own reasons.
granted, chaos fits this bill more blatantly than u do. thought about waiting to see if u became more clear on the issue, but that's gonna last forever.
not sure if it's opportunistic really. i'd more call it coincidental, as in "i don't think this is what naturally happens when new people read through a game and form opinions about it"

What do you think about that you have a scumread on Meuh as your 2nd top scum read(?) but that you are both voting for Chaos? Do you then think Meuh is bussing them? Or what is your opinion on Meuh currently?

i liked the defence of lion. i don't really keep an ordered list at the moment, but yea. the reasoning 4 chaos also applies to meuh if to a lesser extent.
day1 associatives are bad tho, so i'd vote w meuh even if she was a harder scumread.

[tictac]

eg. content 4 sake of content doesn't seem like it would actually be content.
'm good w my vote.

[tictac]

Yep. I'd need to see a really compelling argument for why Roden does any of this as scum assuming I am town. I'm more sympathetic to a GL-Roden S/S belief than any T/S idea.

View from your perspective?
1) If you got eliminated at that point (since you know you're town and he as scum knows you're town), he as scum stays off the wagon and keeps his hands clean + appeared as a detractor to an "easy" vote = getting him a leaning toward town read.
2) If you don't get eliminated today (and at some future point you get flipped town, again, because you know you're town), he still appears a detractor to the "easy" D1 vote + in the mean time until that point he earns good will from you & you now find him obvtown without a doubt for having saved you = getting him a leaning toward town read.

sometimes a pipe is just a pipe and the person doing commonsense duck-things is in fact a duck tho.
ducks are town here.

[tictac]

Tictac, what's your read on HEM?

null-scum

[tictac]

not really. hem-read keeps swinging a bit

[tictac]

tictac vote on chaos is just also so massively scumfucky i want nothing to do with the wagon

that was ages ago. why did it take so long to call it scumfucky?
u keep saying i'm under the radar, but i don't think my activity-level is news to u.
and from that u associatively clearing chaos and u haven't made any kind of attempt to yeet me??
what is up w that?

[tictac]

heey

[tictac]

Massclaim time. Popcorn?

endorsed

[tictac]

maaybe 10% chance that koba has a guilty or they would have said a name

[tictac]

thats the secret

i thought the secret had something to do w visualizing ur goals into the universe

[tictac]

soo simple doc is unfalsiable if scumz nk on pr-claims

[tictac]

my sympathies 2 people wanting extensive interaction, but i just wanna do the obv mechplay here

[tictac]

eg
VOTE: dwee
L-2

[tictac]

my sympathies 2 people wanting extensive interaction, but i just wanna do the obv mechplay here

Why's that the obv mechplay?

when there is a guilty, yeet the guilty.

[tictac]

we don't even really know that there is a traitor.
1v1 trade is just bad 4 scum pmuch always and it doesn't make sense to initiate one.
+ i'd think town!dwee would be good w it, yet he doesn't seem to be.

[tictac]

and i'd get it if folks were like "koba sketch, let's yeet koba" but they are like "lets yeet this 3rd unrelated peron instead cause koba is sketch"

[tictac]

we don't even really know that there is a traitor.
1v1 trade is just bad 4 scum pmuch always and it doesn't make sense to initiate one.
+ i'd think town!dwee would be good w it, yet he doesn't seem to be.

You think I'd be fine dying as a doctor and having y'all enter ELO 4v2??

i mean ur role has no mech effect in this situation, so all the usual vt-stuff applies.

[tictac]

massclaim is cool actually, we already have the mason, a doc claim, and an investigative claim

UNVOTE:
popcorn from enchant?

[tictac]

Except N3 scum would have to risk me blocking it or killing me, which is much worse for them than if I got limmed today and now every day after is ELO

u or one of the claimed neighbors.
the point about ELO just as true 4 a VT!u. are u saying u would consider it a bad trade as a VT?

[tictac]

we do not need to claim when there is a 50/50.
The people pushing for claims should start if they so want to have claims but no one else

the point 4 massclaims is we already paying most of the costs by having outed PRs, so might as well
@roden: ur pow?

[tictac]

one person claims, and names the next person, then that person claims and names the next one etc.

[tictac]

jfc

is it massclaim time or not

it's probably a good idea, but realistically i don't think anyone is willing to actually enforce it.
soo barring any bright ideas, it's not gonna happen.

[tictac]

VOTE: dwee

[tictac]

REMEMBER DWLEE LITERALLY BOTCHED THEIR CLAIM AND ALSO CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN A DOC ON A PERSON THAT WAS VERY LIKELY A PR THAT DIED LAST NIGHT


this is not genuine at all and should be probably the best objective argument that people actually follow

Wow I predicted who scum would kill but they were a PR fuck me right

What do we think is more likely for town to have in a 12 player. A doctor or a role cop. Big think

(Now Koba is gonna try to say that town!me would never appeal to mechs but this is literally false and something they argued to mislim me before)

lion was the obv nk cause he was obv pr, and u claiming

simple

doc.
w 4 neighbors and masons, half the plist is invalid targets 4 simple Pr, so dunno why it would be more likely than a rolecop from setupspec standpoint.

[tictac]

my sympathies 2 people wanting extensive interaction, but i just wanna do the obv mechplay here

Why's that the obv mechplay?

when there is a guilty, yeet the guilty.

looks like i misunderstood the question and answered the 'what' instead of the 'why'.
'why' is cause 1v1 trades are bad for scum wincon (cause they are a minority), so it's unlikely they will initiate one.

[tictac]

Which would make the claim true? I suppose that if he's scum, it would have been better to claim that they protected someone else?

claiming a lion-visit would be better if koba was actually a tracker/watcher and saw dwee visiting lion

[tictac]

Actually, not really.

Accuse town > Town dies.
Nightkill Town.
Get Scum lim.
Nightkill Town.


3 Town for 1 Scum.

i mean 50% yeet accuracy pmuch always gonna lead to town win.
sure numbers gonna go down as the game progresses, what matters is the ratio of dead scum vs dead town being above 1/4

[tictac]

I...what? I'm sorry, why am I alive?

why is koba?

[tictac]

I...what? I'm sorry, why am I alive?

why is koba?

scratch that.
neighborhood not gonna be 2scumz, so koba clear

[tictac]

yeah i wonder who it could be

hold on let me check the neighbourhood

..

..

..

yup still empty

did u nk nk15 as a meme???

[tictac]

can minis even have sk? im pretty sure not but i dont read the rulez

would be cool if someone wants to read the rulez so i don't have to.

[tictac]

I'm not claiming anything mechanical until its relevant.

u gonna be nkd tho

[tictac]

How many Neighbors are there in the game? How many Neighborhoods are there in the game? Or maybe there is just one with like most of the playerlist and I'm the only one not invited to it?

How is this game even considered Normal.

one w koba and dwee
one w marcy and nk16

[tictac]

LOL MAYBE THATS WHY DKKOBA/RODEN WERENT KILLED

CUZ SCUM WASNT READING BAHAHAHAHAH

this post reminds me of myself as scum. always cool to be underestimated.

[tictac]

Going after Dwlee99 with a Town Rolecop guilty was the obvious way to go yesterday and you were actively trying to get me off that track. Me posting reads would have only served as a distraction.

i mean sure. the yeet yesterday was set in stone tho. don't really think scum!shadow would realistically think it was possible to derail.

[tictac]

my gut agrees w shadowgirl push, my head says she's getting heat from playstyle.
#fencesit

[tictac]

VOTE: greeting
i guess

[tictac]

can minis even have sk? im pretty sure not but i dont read the rulez

would be cool if someone wants to read the rulez so i don't have to.

cuz scum hunting 4 SK would explain weird nightkill.

[tictac]

one more post

[tictac]

heyo NM

VOTE: Not_Mafia

also: byee

[tictac]

i don't know any other cows.
maybe u are the most gullible one?

[tictac]

in other news, i think shadowgirl would have hammered u by now if she wanted to.

[tictac]

it's corona time dochakno

[tictac]

imma just gonna pretend i tried to set shadow up 4 another fakehammer there.
yes, that is what happened.

[tictac]

UNVOTE:
i think i actually need to brain

[tictac]

Koba's been ignoring me in neighborhood
VOTE: Koba

This is why it’s staged.
If Koba is called out as a liar Koba looks good but if Dwlee goes down Koba looks good.

I doubt Koba ignores a hood as town or scum.

They hyperpost a lot.

dwee flipped scum neighbor, and noone else claimed to be in that neighborhood.
so would have to be 2 scum actually in a neighborhood together 4 koba to be scum here.

shadowgirl been after notmaf-slot since day1. really don't think that pair is svs tho one of them certainly is.

i think enchant is just town here also.

there's not really room 4 u to be town also, tho i like that u brought a lot of life into the game.

[tictac]

We all agree Roden is mason right?

We all agree a vig exists it’s lock town based on normal rules right?

i agree to these

[tictac]

two scum hood

doesn't seem to me a thing that might exist.
can u cite a game where one did?

[tictac]

two scum hood

doesn't seem to me a thing that might exist.
can u cite a game where one did?

I have to head to a dr appt but I repped into a game where I was traitor scum and had a hood with my buddy.

i'm not in a hurry

[tictac]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87284&user_select%5B%5D=32319

thanks.
i'll grant the point that it's possible, tho the announcement (in that game) of there being exactly 3 people with access to any PTs undercuts the point a bit.
also it's 2maf+traitor vs 10 townies as standard, so i'm confused why u think a traitor here (12p) makes this mxlo?
so, currently still think (kobamaf) unlikely, but yea, not conf.

[tictac]

Also me being adamant about not ending a day early and getting more info is something that I have made clear about how I play:

ur attitude when notmaf put himself in L-1 was different tho.

[tictac]

i should vote at this point
VOTE: MathBlade

[tictac]

Intent to E-1 ShadowGirl

This might sound rather rude but I worry about NM no matter what because he just trolls/scums as any alignment.

Can you briefly say what NM has done to make you feel that way?

so u aware that NM gonna hammer anything that he can hammer, right?

[tictac]

i noticed it wasn't explicit, and probs should be.
and some people do that, dunno why

[tictac]

I am kinda tempted more to vote NM.

I find it odd that you decide to vote me when you have a likely guaranteed scum in Shadow/NM. Care to explain why you vote me instead?

Do you think NM and Shadow are both town?

shadow been after NM-slot since day1. don't think the pair is svs.
has to be one scum in the pair tho cause has to be 2 scum left and they have to be somewhere.
and that's also why i voted 4 u. 50%chance in that pair 100%on u. (exaggerated probabilities obviously)

[tictac]

I am kinda tempted more to vote NM.

me too, tho.

[tictac]

don't really think this is complex, but okay.

from my pow:
conf: Roden, tictac
not actully, but nearly conf: DkKoba
very town: Enchant

so by POE the possibilities are:

ShadowGirl

,

Not_Mafia

, MathBlade <-- this one digualified because shadow-notmaf isn't svs
ShadowGirl,

Not_Mafia

,

MathBlade

ShadowGirl

, Not_Mafia,

MathBlade

^notice how u are red in all the not ruled out universes.

and if u claim vig that changes things, but u haven't so it doesn't

[tictac]

Is your vote based only on Math's behaviour from replacing in or does any of how marci acted factor in?
What is your current read on Enchant?

it's poe, not really anything math has done.
enchant is still town.

[tictac]

Koba's been ignoring me in neighborhood
VOTE: Koba

This is why it’s staged.
If Koba is called out as a liar Koba looks good but if Dwlee goes down Koba looks good.

I doubt Koba ignores a hood as town or scum.

They hyperpost a lot.

dwee flipped scum neighbor, and noone else claimed to be in that neighborhood.
so would have to be 2 scum actually in a neighborhood together 4 koba to be scum here.

shadowgirl been after notmaf-slot since day1. really don't think that pair is svs tho one of them certainly is.

i think enchant is just town here also.

there's not really room 4 u to be town also, tho i like that u brought a lot of life into the game.

[tictac]

If I was actually PoE scum to you me claiming vig or not would not change your mind but here you say it would.

uncountered vig-claim would be conf.
obviously i don't value my reads oven mech-info.
it's like u confused about how poe works, and i doubt that can actually be the case.

[tictac]

Is your vote based only on Math's behaviour from replacing in or does any of how marci acted factor in?
What is your current read on Enchant?

it's poe, not really anything math has done.
enchant is still town.

Can you say why Enchant is super town to you?

i can do a case if it's needed 4 some reason? it's more accumulation of small town things tho.

[tictac]

I already said tictac is scum but no one wants to sheep lol

scumreading u would be convenient.

pedit: noo. u not gonna actually claim vig and initiate a 1v1 (as scum). if u were actually one u might choose to (probs shouldn't) and obv that would have an effect.
doesn't really matter if i believe it rn or not, what can be destroyed by the truth should be.

[tictac]

This is a very common scum tactic I use.

You’ve created a situation that benefits you to ignore answering the question asked.

Hell it may even be true Koba and Enchant are both town (it’s a world I am considering)

But even if I grant you incorrectly that I am scum you’re still not answering who with.

If I was actually PoE scum to you me claiming vig or not would not change your mind but here you say it would.

Therefore this tells me your vig hunting versus scum hunting and you + NM world is looking very spicy.

Subject: Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

When you have time, i would appreciate an elaboration on why you're townreading jan and why you think tictac's list is scummy

It's not that i wasnt committed to vork so much as:
- i wanted people (jan in particular) to flesh out the townread so i gave room for that
- i apparently dont like to commit to things and get spooked easily (esp when wagons are growing faster than i expected)

I dont get why you think scum!me backs off there if i'm aiming for a vork mislynch

"Ruling" out scum-pairs is oft a scum used technique to almost force lynches without seeming so. I.e. vork flipped town (tictac scum would know this), therefore, here is the potential lynch options for today. It looks natural, and is a way to push votes without thinking. Plus I don't think it's a very good POE in the first place.

let me know what you think of tictac's post on jan town before I provide mine.

dw i get you my ex girlfriend also said the same thing about how she "apparently dont like to commit to things and get spooked easily (esp when our relationship is growing faster than i expected)"

similarity in these posts is striking. (miss marple tell)
and yea doc was scum in that game.

[tictac]

There is no way we don’t elim in SG/NM though
So again tictac what is your stance on SG/NM?

This is the third or fourth time I have asked.

prefer yeeting NM.

[tictac]

I am kinda tempted more to vote NM.

me too, tho.

[tictac]

So you’re saying you’re doing a scumtell but somehow I am scum? I don’t get this.

I am saying your logic is flawed and somehow that’s a “scum tell”?

What’s a miss marple tell?

Why do you keep dodging your opinion in NM/SG?

u are using almost exactly the same argument scum previously tried to use to misyeet me and the sililarity between the posts is a scumtell. named after miss marple who used similar tells to catch murderers in detective fiction.

[tictac]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Marple-ing

[tictac]

Just bcuz I do something as both alignments doesn’t make it so everyone else does.
Also, my style of referencing other games is different to what I said Roden was doing. My method is more of a “this thing happened in xyz game and makes me think yadayada”, it’s not a direct response to pressure, and instead is a pattern-recognition situation #justNDthings
@tictac

gamma mostly does miss-marples, and does rather well.

[tictac]

Just bcuz I do something as both alignments doesn’t make it so everyone else does.
Also, my style of referencing other games is different to what I said Roden was doing. My method is more of a “this thing happened in xyz game and makes me think yadayada”, it’s not a direct response to pressure, and instead is a pattern-recognition situation #justNDthings
@tictac

gamma mostly does miss-marples, and does rather well.

I am also neurodivergent and notice patterns? Your point?

u were saying it's not a valid thing to do.
i'm saying it is.

i'm indifferent to if we "go" or not. i'm just trying to yeet u.

[tictac]

Honestly i believe in this more.

Like...
M.

Does Koba even remains silent as any alignment?

Don't torture me.

VOTE: Dwlee99

Down to the hour and minute as well if possible.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=88682

Also Roden claims future nightkill (Mason)

I mostly point at scum and scream "It's scum". Pretty working.

I read rules for mini and no, SK can't exist here.

The game should have at least one Mafia or Werewolf group (of at least two members). In mini games (at most 13 players), there must be exactly one such group, with no third parties. In large games (at least 14 players), a second anti-town group can be given a separate Mafia family name, or can be a Werewolf group, and there should be no more than two mafia/werewolf factions, and no more than one Serial Killer.

townpings from all these.

[tictac]

So you’re saying you’re doing a scumtell but somehow I am scum? I don’t get this.

I am saying your logic is flawed and somehow that’s a “scum tell”?

What’s a miss marple tell?

Why do you keep dodging your opinion in NM/SG?

u are using almost exactly the same argument scum previously tried to use to misyeet me and the sililarity between the posts is a scumtell. named after miss marple who used similar tells to catch murderers in detective fiction.

Just because a scum did something doesn’t mean it is a scumtell.

Almost every scum has written a post with the letter a.

That does not make pointing out your flawed logic a scumtell and it feels very fabricated.

You just happened to have that post and that argument?

No you know your argument is flawed.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Marple-ing

This one works on newer and/or unknown players.

I am not new or unknown.

You’re stretching so hard Gumby would be proud

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[tictac]

So I am a bit confused as to what scum are doing.

ya. i don't see a coherent world where u are town either.

[tictac]

That is factually incorrect. Roden is very competent. He’s one of the few players that almost caught me deep wolfing in a prior game. I have not seen a Roden incompetent game.

Then why we don't just sheep him.

^what i'm planning to do if i haven't managed to convince him about math by now.

[tictac]

This is exactly what scum rb said in mini normal 2046.

I don't even remember that you offered to lynch january on day 1... was january your town read at that point?

well, I think 'follow the conftown' is a pretty commonsense strat so not surprising that other people have thought about it too.
and yes, I did tr january at the time.

this is possibly the scummiest thing you've said

okay. I still think it's a good strat tho.

VOTE: Zenith

pre-empting predictable response from shadow

[tictac]

Well that's correct.

huh. i thought 0-shot was a crumb

[tictac]

I'm of a similar mind to agree with Roden in his post about his points as to DkKoba being town, which is that the D2 play felt early if scum (rather than why not do it D3, for instance?), and that I think it's a combination of that scum might be hoping town votes them out because of the paradox of "how can they be alive if they're town" and due to my thoughts in my longer previous posts about what their reads were on certain players and how scum likely wanted them around to push them those people. DkKoba as scum is not something that is entirely out of the realm of possibilities, but in general, I still prefer the resolution of the 1vs1 of me/NM to be done today rather than to be left for ELO, because that route feels safer for town rather than for instance potentially mislimming the town rolecop. And NM scum to me is something that I feel far more certain about than any other possibilities.

I fail to see how the day has any relevance. 2 masons a vig and a rolecop (ungated) vs any scum set up can’t exist
Vs
2 masons a vig vs rolecop makes for a mighty fine setup.

3 masons 3 goon is the balance in 13p, this is 12p.

[tictac]

tictac has expressed sheeping Roden onto me

sheeping roden wherever actually

[tictac]

Well that's correct.

huh. i thought 0-shot was a crumb

and that's the real answer 4 u shadow on "main point on enchant-town".
enchant-town cause that post would 100% draw a shot from real vig if enchant wasn't it.

[tictac]

So three confirmed town and no invest is 13P
So how do you figure 3 confirmed town + invest + death in 12P?

Are you listening to yourself? Oh wait you’re scum.

2 masons+vig = 3 conf + swing - missing townie(=missing yeet)

rolecop is a named townie if someone doesn't fakeclaim.

would i be happier without a rolecop-claim? sure.
does it weight more than 2-scum neighborhood u postulatin? no.

[tictac]

Ok nevermind Mathblade is scum rofl

So you think tictac was bus-ing? Or what would be the reasoning for their vig argument?

unless u mean ench-town, i'm not aware that i've made an argument about vigs.

wanted to wait to see if roden became clearer on what he wants, but going to bed soon so..

VOTE: shadow

[tictac]

VOTE: Koba

Can afford.

can you just trust me >.>

I want tho but i fear tho.

u r a vig. use gun.

[tictac]

D3: deadline: 0 days, 1 hour, 18 minutes

mornin.
looks like we got a bit of time. i'll read up once head clears a bit.
ill hammer whatev if it prevents a nolim tho

[tictac]

in like 30min

[tictac]

k.
pref goes
math<NM<shadow alignwise.
also NM is NM so a decent yeet regardless
@roden u got a clear pref?

i think everyone wants to be a hammer so none does the L-1 lol

[tictac]

woop. why did i try to to catch up?
thas hammer yes?

[tictac]

yes

[tictac]

good shot ench!
i was considering reversing on koba, but dunno if i actually would have.

really well modded norw.

thanks all

[tictac]

i mean, would 1 IC+3VT+3goon not seem scumsided 2 u? still don't really get that argument.
and yea Koba could conf himself (and out a mason/vig), bot rolecop to guaranteed to be town.
i did agree that it was too much power in general, but also the neighborhood, so either way it was kkinda adversarial game design.
what really started to get 2 me was i didn't think anyone was bussing NM

[tictac]

Sorry to tictac for scumreading you at the end, but paranoia really got at me because I had you as locktown all game and then I began to doubt myself (my head like... is the bunny evil???), and the PoE that I was left with given Enchant's vig claim left me with not too many possibilities (marci was even more locktown to me, and MathBlade gave me town vibes for not ultimately voting me), and I was uncertain enough about DkKoba from their D2 play.

no probs. i'm usually scuread pretty wildely, but then i get these games where everyone townreads me and it's always a bit freaky.