Mini Normal 2310 | Day 7

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second

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy i know you from somewhere therefore its gotta be you

oh fuck its you

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VOTE: Arko

dont replace out this game pls

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could just be a mistake yk

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what if abnegation is scum and looked to see if she could multitask in the first place

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i think i've played with a few of you.

observation: the presence or absence of scum multitasking is not noted anywhere in the original modposts. i wonder if that means we're up against all goons?

What does this second part even mean?

well, usually the mod would tell us whether or not the mafia can multitask by default (commit the kill and use whatever abilities they have in the same night).

when i skimmed the rules post, i noticed that the mod didn't actually make a ruling on this.

i'm speculating that maybe the reason for the oversight is that the mafia don't have any abilities to use, and therefore it doesn't matter if they can multitask or not.
in that vein,

@mod - is multitasking enabled by default?

i know youre a mod yourself but by skimming the rules i dont think you could just notice the absence of something unless its super duper important

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you know what a big early wagon sounds cool

VOTE: Abnegation

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what if abnegation is scum and looked to see if she could multitask in the first place

That was my original thought

Making a public post on it as scum, with daytalk? I’m not so sure about that

towncred exists and abnegation was speculating that the mafia could be only goons

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most likely klazam is either town or paired with abnegation

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yea

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whats so bad with early game reads

how are we going to get anywhere

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aspectenicor have you ever played forum before

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so are we just gonna tunnel abnegation then or what

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there goes the mafia.gg player

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there goes the mafia.gg player

There is at least 1 other mafia.gg player left...

how do you think i knew them?

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well you did say at least

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yeah

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didnt know wanting to start a wagon early was considered targetting low hanging fruit

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i take back my townread on klazam i guess it was too early for that

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mainly because i dont really like their talk about votes

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wasnt paying attention to hu tao too much in utopia so idk

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What would you suggest using to generate reads, if not votes and talk about votes or the lack thereof?

i get what he is saying but he seems to be making something big out of it as if he is even voting hu tao in the first place lmao

also its an easy thing to push someone for and i dont like that

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and you guys say that I target low hanging fruit smh

VOTE: Klazam

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Spoiler:

i wont

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Lol Daves might be town, might be scum

ok then what about klazam

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This game does seem slow

DAYVIG: Flavor Leaf

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are we just starting a wagon on flavor leaf now

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ugh do yall really trust klazam

dont see a reason we should go leaf over klazam if youre that willing to wagon a townie

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if anyone wants to start a wagon on dave or any of the inactive slots ill join

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Yeah, dislike the camel slot having read back.
Desperate to vote anyone

have you even seen how slow this game has been going?

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in my eyes starting a wagon on myself is kinda pointless for progressing the game so thats why i want to vote anywhere else

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Reading Camel's iso, it basically felt they really wanted to vote someone, anyone, and didn't care why.

i specified a pool of people in my posts

dave i have a scumlean read on and anyone whos inactive to pressure them

if i was desperate to vote anyone, why not leaf?

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do [spoiler=] instead of [spoiler] at the start

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yeah your scumcase on me sounded quite bullshit tbh

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well it wasnt just that actually it was hu taos case too but i wasnt a fan of my case either

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well i dont know what everyone wants and from the VC from earlier it seems our wants are rather dispersed

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the addition was just me being forgetful

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OK why even mention the the town possibility shouldn't be discussed, it just brings attention to <redacted>.

I'm a programmer which means I enumerate things for a living. The thought happens, and it ends up on "paper".

are you frontend or backend though

As backend as it gets, inside the OS.

the real question is what variable naming convention you use

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certainly a player to observe, definitely not a d1 lim

then who

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i have a bad tendency to hold on to early reads

you can use normal idea mafia as an example if you want

klazam hasnt done anything particularly towny either but maybe someone can sell me another wagon

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Suspicious post. I think its too early for that.

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what slot was nono again

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arko ok

arko didnt really do anything and nono is just voting hu tao

its weird that theyre really only focusing on hu tao and not acknowledging anyone else so nulltown

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Suspicious post. I think its too early for that.

What post are you referring to?

talking about ame's town list. thats what hu tao said when i expressed a read on klazam early on

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tunnels arent exactly alignment indicative

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arko ok

arko didnt really do anything and nono is just voting hu tao

its weird that theyre really only focusing on hu tao and not acknowledging anyone else so nulltown

why is that nulltown?

ope exactly what i said lmao

tunnels arent alignment indicative (unless some other piece influences it)

doesnt seem forced, seems the exact opposite: relaxed

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they dont care about sounding serious have you even read their posts lmao

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in this context i feel like that is the case

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Suspicious post. I think its too early for that.

which one?

Suspicious post. I think its too early for that.

What post are you referring to?

talking about ame's town list. thats what hu tao said when i expressed a read on klazam early on

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abnegation, you willing to take a stance?

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sure im mafia strongman vigilante

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that mass claim attempt was so bad im calling it town

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like, i dont think mafia would actually try to explain that mass claiming is a good idea knowing full well it isnt going to do shit

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fuck it this wagon is going nowhere

UNVOTE:

VOTE: BlackStar

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Klazam (2): Hu Tao, Ame
camelCasedSnivy (2): davesaz, Klazam
Ame (2): geraintm, Doctor Drew
Flavor Leaf (1): Flavor Leaf
SzmarzLeek (1): KittyTacky
Kitty Tacky (1): SzmarzLeek
Doctor Drew (1): Blackstar
Hu Tao (1): Nono
BlackStar (1): camelCasedSnivy

Not voting (1): Abnegation

i dont like this VC but since ame literally just voted me i cant bring any wagon but myself to 3 so

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thanks for reminding me

VOTE: Ame

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the blackstar vote was the second person on nono's list, the first being hu tao. i decided at worst it would be a pressure vote which is still good

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You’re not looking for mags you’re looking for where you can vote.

if you mean scum then I've already found one

though i can see where that viewpoint comes from

the start of the day however, barely has any info, so jumping on wagons in a situation like this is kinda needed

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i dont really like their town list is all

i could unvote her but i dont know who else to vote

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that mass claim attempt was so bad im calling it town

like, i dont think mafia would actually try to explain that mass claiming is a good idea knowing full well it isnt going to do shit

thanks for reminding me

VOTE: Ame

i dont really like their town list is all

i could unvote her but i dont know who else to vote

Huh? I thought you voted me because you wanted a 3, but now you're saying there's an actual reason? You just called me town on the page before!

oh fuck i thought that was nono

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UNVOTE:

whoopsies

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flavor leaf is playing different i noticed that much

feel like scum flavor leaf would stick to how he usually plays

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that mass claim attempt was so bad im calling it town

like, i dont think mafia would actually try to explain that mass claiming is a good idea knowing full well it isnt going to do shit

thanks for reminding me

VOTE: Ame

i dont really like their town list is all

i could unvote her but i dont know who else to vote

Huh? I thought you voted me because you wanted a 3, but now you're saying there's an actual reason? You just called me town on the page before!

oh fuck i thought that was nono

also fwiw i still dont like the town list but i think what happened on that page is a good enough indication

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flavor leaf is playing different i noticed that much

feel like scum flavor leaf would stick to how he usually plays

The only pattern I've seen in how Flavor Leaf plays is flamboyantly.

true..

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ignoring my early game read i may as well be sheeping a strong townread and a townread

VOTE: Klazam

flavor leaf u should stop voting urself and start voting with us

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also would be down for kitty, half of the posts are filler and the other include pretty much weak reads such as "soft locktowning" someone with not too much reasoning

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BlackStar, Hu Tao, Abnegation, KittyTacky, SzmarzLeek, Flavor Leaf, and Klazam

first: kitty and klazam are both in the list. i know leek is also quite a bit of a controversial character too but whatever
second: thats 7 people. youre even somewhat confident you caged 7 of the 10 townies? [assuming 3 mafia]
third: this list also has TMI potential

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And is still not liking ame’s townlist?

youre acting like ames at the top of my list or something

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i should really respond to the whole thing too to sniff out all the bs

no i didnt mean to vote nono i just thought nono was the one asking for massclaim

now i also have to take the nono read into account but i most likely wont vote em

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i ignored the case on leek maybe i should read on that

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i may have a meta read on leek, but need to check a couple more games.
this post is mainly a note to self to do that tonight.

update: i never got around to this, will do tomorrow.

do I know you? I can't recall

not really. i modded newbie 2125 on my main account, but we haven't played together.
i opened up your iso this game and 67 struck me as a little odd in comparison to the rest of it. you said you like hu tao for pushing the game forward and saying what they don't like instead of fluffposting, but i don't see you doing much of that yourself. you've got a couple of one-liner townreads, a couple of fluffposts, and a few clarifying questions that don't really lead much of anywhere. if i look back to newbie 2125 (iso link), there was more analyzing and pushing people and using your vote in the initial pages. it was pretty clear that you were trying to get reads on every slot. i'm not seeing that from you here. i had a look at the beginning of newbie 2122 as well, and it also seems quite different from this game. for some reason i thought you had more games than that but it seems that's it.
i realize this might seem contradictory with my blackstar interaction (namely 145), so i'll just clarify now. i don't find low-content posting scummy by itself. it's the context of the posting that's pinging me in this situation.

this was it but it was quite a while ago and abnegation recinded her vote since then

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mm ill probably go onto leek

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I had a town ping on Klazam in one of their last posts, though.

where though

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I've been skimming this game's logs lazily this day, I think I know enough to make a reads list, but tomorrow as it's late here, I'll sleep on my reads.

chat is this real

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how can you be so stubborn and tunneled?

FL has done that as town too, on 2 different townies

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FL does seem to be back in his usual meta though, i dont see much of the jokey careless mood anymore

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self watcher when

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i remember one time that leaf said if hes scum he tries to go for town mislim day 1

that being said, he could be doing a gambit but i doubt it so if leek flips scum i give FL heaps of towncred

VOTE: Leek

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i remember one time that leaf said if hes scum he tries to go for town mislim day 1

that being said, he could be doing a gambit but i doubt it so if leek flips scum i give FL heaps of towncred

VOTE: Leek

Umm.....wouldn't any scum player want a town mislim on D1??

ofc but they would rather sit back while town performs the mislim

i assume here FL means as scum he would lead the charge against a townie

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You can go and check my scum games, I’m rarely ever on a day 1 town misfade, and i had loads to do with it happening.

I push through misfade by manipulating gamestate to do so.

In Pokémon, there was a 13 player wagon on a fade day 1 with zero of us scum on it

so its a psuedo-push

either way i remember you saying this somewhere (i think utopia)

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i remember one time that leaf said if hes scum he tries to go for town mislim day 1

that being said, he could be doing a gambit but i doubt it so if leek flips scum i give FL heaps of towncred

VOTE: Leek

Umm.....wouldn't any scum player want a town mislim on D1??

Not camel, when they are scum they only ever vote off their partners!

top tier chat mafia strats

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VOTE: Drew

Speaking of pocketing.....

.....could this be a pocketing attempt??

Wondering why someone is moving their vote nonstop is a pocketing attempt?

he does have a point though

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it could be a pocketing attempt. is it? maybe

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im not sure if gera read changed on me but i still dont like their posts

its like hes trying to do stuff without doing stuff?

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oh my god how could you do this to me drew

shamelessly taken out of context

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so?

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i read the other mini normal you were town in and it does somewhat line up with what youre doing here so its good ig

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VOTE: camel

It seems like you’ve been making posts to test the waters about how everyone feels about certain people and then just moving your vote to wherever everyone else goes

ya ill do that if anyone has a good enough case

don't see how that's inherently scummy

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its not opportunistic when the wagon is scum

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VOTE: Abnegation

this over ame any day

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VOTE: Abnegation

this over ame any day

nah, I like abneg this game.

i dont have any towntells on her except for the leek case which i like

still a bit odd that she took it back later because leek didnt get that much townier from there

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ok

VOTE: Leek

i changed my mind again

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tempted to sheep 2 of my weak townreads here but i dont want no lim and leek and abnegation are equally scum in my mind

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if leek flips town here im provably going to go after abnegation tommorow

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samus would not approve of the leek flip

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womp womp

VOTE: Kitty

ill trust you for now but dont hammer yet

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good going guys

VOTE: wolf hutao
serious note: happy to vote kitty, trust gert w/e, but let me have this for now kek

going to sleep irl kbai

getting a big scumping from this

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oh didnt even realize kitty claimed

i did see the soft but didn't think anything of it

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yeahhh i think kitty planned that soft for later but didn't think he would be tracked lmao

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Conf Town

- KittyTacky

Town

- davesaz
- camelCasedSnivy

Lean Town

- Abnegation
- Flavor Leaf
- Klazam
- Doctor Drew

Null/Neutral

- geraintm
- Nono
- Hu Tao
- BlackStar

Lean Scum

- Ame

Scum

- SzmarzLeek

agree with klazam

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good going guys

VOTE: wolf hutao
serious note: happy to vote kitty, trust gert w/e, but let me have this for now kek

going to sleep irl kbai

getting a big scumping from this

Nah, this is always town.

If they’re scum and Kitty scum this is terrible as scum.

If they’re scum and Kitty town it’s TMI.

Nono is a town slot

i originally thought so too but I don't really like their posts

i was trying to give them a chance and they blew it

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kitty is 100% the lim for today though don't get me wrong

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oh FL hammered

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we are not doing a mass claim now dawg

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ok then

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Hu V
Klaz V
Gera V
Nono V
Ame V
Snivy V

Dave N
FL NLW or VSS
AB NLW
Drew W

Mafs are in those 4. We lim Drew tomorrow and go from there.

uh what

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Hu V
Klaz V
Gera V
Nono V
Ame V
Snivy V

Dave N
FL NLW or VSS
AB NLW
Drew W

Mafs are in those 4. We lim Drew tomorrow and go from there.

uh what

What are you asking?

what do all those letters mean

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ok cool

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i would try to discuss when we should do mass claim but FL already took the liberty to hammer

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by discuss it i mean get everyones opinion on it

i dont think everyone will be able to voice an opinion by the time RN gets here

i dont see a problem currently

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seems hu tao/nono is a big controversial topic

ill say i prefer nono 100% here but something im more sure of is that theres 1 scum in the 2

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yeah sure

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FL claimed VT

idk whos at what but i would go nono first

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i am a bit loose in the head

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VOTE: Nono

E-1

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thats crazy

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im a cop
n0 kitty guilty
n1 nono guilty
n2 klazam guilty

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yeah i did neighborize hu tao then FL

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hu tao claimed cop with guilty on nono day 2 and then FL claimed VT yeah

nothing else

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oh and gera can confirm

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from reading the current convo

i agree with hu tao

abt how abnegation might have said that to appear townie and i dont have much reason to assume otherwise so

VOTE: Abnegation

i just read this early post by aspectenicor (who drew replaced)

newbscum post?

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wait was the ame/FL/hu tao neighborhood fake

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hu tao never would have claimed cop in my PT if shes miller lmao

VOTE: Hu Tao

E-1

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ccs - When exactly did Hu claim cop, and FL claim VT in the neighbor thread - was it before or after daystart? (Trying to figure out FL's alignment)

oh and gera can confirm

Does this mean you neighborized Gera on night 3?

I'm feeling uber paranoid right now, and im not ready for day to end, because i want to get more discussion going on the last scum. Consider me the hammering vote here, but im holding off on that.

writing this down for myself

LIVING PLAYERS

- geraintm - Town (Loud Tracker)
- Klazam - Town (Miller)
- camelCasedSnivy - Town (Neighborizer)

- Abnegation - VT (Got tracked by Gera N2, no result)

- Flavor Leaf - VT
- Doctor Drew (aspectenicor) VT

- davesaz - Has not claimed or posted

- Hu Tao - Scum

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Im going to look at kitty and hu tao together in iso, see if i can spot anything off.

Who did Gera track N3? Im guessing CCS

Hu Tao claimed start of day 2

Fl claimed start of day 3

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UNVOTE: Hu Tao

Wait for Geraint target claim.

Not doing another not claiming and then having PR dead like with Ame. If Ame claimed their target, we would have a confirmed inno. It's probably just Geraint, but yeah.

It's also possible Ame targeted Hu Tao, and then scum no killed, but idk.

Would have been nice to have it said.

gera could claim in our PT too