Mini 903 - Owarai TV (Game over... who won?)

[Raivann]

Vote:Starbuck

Can you smell what The Rock is cooking!

[Raivann]

@Raiv: Serious vote or Random?

It was my serious random vote.

@Hell: Also, if you're worried about a bandwagon forming/growing quickly; why hop on and start to form a bandwagon?

I also see that you gave yourself an easy out off the wagon (no means a final vote). I thought that Anon explained his vote relatively ok; what more of a case are you looking for?

Well, I thought I gave my vote enough reason for it not to just be a bandwagon. However, looking back on it, I misunderstood Anon's argument. I now understand it. Therefore

Unvote

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What was confusing to you about Anon's argument ?

[Raivann]

Ok I'll explain in more detail my vote now.
It was random in the way that I didn't find Starbuck scummy
It was serious because I wanted to see the reponses it would get. I figured it would be more than just a random vote on anyone else.
I only had read the first page and saw that Starbuck had a wagon and there was discussion about it already.
I think wagons are a good thing, just look at the discussion this one has generated.
That being said I liked Starbucks responses and now that i've explained my vote was for wagon sakes only it kinda loses it's meaning. I was hoping to wait a little longer till the inactives posted but oh well.

Unvote

[Raivann]

Pretty simple.

I think a third vote on someone is way more valuable than a random vote on anyone's else.

Do you agree/diosagree?

This one. When I first saw it, I thought you were just bandwagon voting just to vote, but now I understand you wanted to start real discussion/put pressure, so I'm fine with that, so I unvoted.

On reread I see Hell already answered question.
But what's the big difference in bandwagon voting and voting for pressure, aren't they kinda the same thing?

[Raivann]

I think wagons are a good thing, just look at the discussion this one has generated.

Even though most of the discussion was about the validity of bandwagons as a scumhunting tool themselves?

That being said I liked Starbucks responses and now that i've explained my vote was for wagon sakes only it kinda loses it's meaning. I was hoping to wait a little longer till the inactives posted but oh well.

Unvote

What about Starbucks responses did you like?

Yes.

She pretty much nailed what I was doing with my vote

Why wouldn't they put out an RVS vote? Why are you assuming that they wouldn't?

They could easily come in and say, "Hey guys, my bad for being late. Here's my RVS vote, ha ha ha. Off to catch up".

You are assuming things way too easily. I'm not comfortable with that.

Vote: Amished

That was what I was doing. Just because the game was on page 3 when I got to a computer to post does not mean I can't come in say something funny on my first post. I had to say something after mod called us jabronis.

[Raivann]

Pretty simple.

I think a third vote on someone is way more valuable than a random vote on anyone's else.

Do you agree/diosagree?

This one. When I first saw it, I thought you were just bandwagon voting just to vote, but now I understand you wanted to start real discussion/put pressure, so I'm fine with that, so I unvoted.

On reread I see Hell already answered question.
But what's the big difference in bandwagon voting and voting for pressure, aren't they kinda the same thing?

Eh, well, voting for pressure doesn't neccesarily have to be on a bandwagon, because for example, at the beginning of a day I could vote for someone whose actions at the end of the day yesterday seemed scummy, in order to try to make them explain their actions. Also, bandwagoning doesn't have to be for pressure, some people do it to move the game along or they are too lazy to scumhunt for themselves, so they follow the bandwagons.

Hope that made sense, thinking after playing a very close basketball game is hard

hmmm...
So why did you unvote again?

[Raivann]

Raivann--- Pretend deadline is now. Who is most likely to be scum, to the best of your knowledge?

probly Hellnfire & chauch.
Hell because I don't think Anon's posts were confusing and his unvote seems fishythefish to me.

Chauch because her questions seem fake.

I don't believe that answered the question. How did she nail what you were doing with your vote? What were you looking for in her responses?

Actually it did. The question was what I liked about her responses.
I already answered first question.
Are you just asking questions to ask questions?
I was looking for a certain poetic rhythm in her response, not.
I was looking for scumtells, What do you think I was looking for?
And It wasn't just her responses I'm looking at, it's everyones.
Kinda like how Amished is trying to imply that it's somehow scummy to make a random vote on page 3 with my first post. But right now now i'm chalking that up to Amished not having a sense of humor.

[Raivann]

Raskol--- Pretend deadline is now. Who is most likely to be scum, to the best of your knowledge?

[Raivann]

His vote on a wagon, apparently for wagoning's sake (read: Anon in 21, Raiv in 58, and then with Raiv's reasoning in 99 (looking for responses by bandwagoning) pretty much exactly mirrors Anon's (likes to bandwagon in 29/40).

His question to Raskol (138) that Raskol asked to a couple other people (109).

@chau: My questioning of Anon in 30 isn't the start of a line of questioning about the whole situation I suppose?

For the thing about Raiv's vote: I knew we were out of the RVS. Starbuck knew that we were out of the RVS (which didn't actually matter as she questioned an RVS vote by Anon). Somebody that didn't have a post yet and replaced in (Raskol) knew that the game was out of the RVS. That's just people I asked. If so many people knew that we were out of the RVS, why would you put out a random vote? He even said it was serious *afterwards* for looking for reactions; and not random.

Yes, there's two veins in there. Starbuck's questioning of one RVS vote and not another (since she read Raiv's as RVS as well) and Raiv's not reading all 2.5 pages of the game and knowing that we're not random. Can I not talk to a brick wall here?

blah, blah RVS blah, blah RVS...

[Raivann]

Vote:Hellnfire

[Raivann]

Sorry VP

[Raivann]

I put Hell at L1 I think.
I got prodded,read thread and posted. My home computer is down so I cant post during weekends.

@Dram - How is my vote different from anyone else's?

FoS:Chauch

Life is like a box of chocolates.

[Raivann]

It's hasty and uninformed. Also I already had previous suspicions of you. This just reinforces it.

wut? I've been suspensions of Hell's posts for awhile now, nice try though.

What do your previous suspicions consist of?

[Raivann]

I felt pressure, I really didn't have any other way to defend myself, so I claimed my role.

I believe we got a confession my friends.

Why no Hell vote then?

[Raivann]

Sure, we got some time till deadline...

UNVOTE

[Raivann]

*I make up a bunch of crap

You could be town psychic.

Raivan, who do you think is scum?

I still like like Hell and cc.com.
The quote of hell you mentioned...

hell wrote:
This seems like it is meant to provoke me into saying something wrong so you can lynch a townie.

This is what everyone says.

As far as my views on TheInq., He doesn't have many posts but what he did post I didn't find scummy

[Raivann]

^reads like scum trying to setup a townie

[Raivann]

Vote:Hellnfire666

[Raivann]

I still dont like Dev's case on xRx yesterday and I could see Hell random voting his scumbuddy like he did with Devestation.

Vote:Devestation

The name that comes up first from memory of trying to slow down the wagon was Raiv.

Actually it was Anon who politely requested someone unvote, so I did.
Dev. tried slowing down wagon the most with his case riddled with holes against xRx.

[Raivann]

I do have a question though Raivann, why so sparse with your vote early on yesterday? After you unvoted starbuck it seemed like it took you awhile to find someone worth voting and I don't really know why.

I still had a question out there for Hell that I was awaiting answer to It was...

Pretty simple.

I think a third vote on someone is way more valuable than a random vote on anyone's else.

Do you agree/diosagree?

This one. When I first saw it, I thought you were just bandwagon voting just to vote, but now I understand you wanted to start real discussion/put pressure, so I'm fine with that, so I unvoted.

On reread I see Hell already answered question.
But what's the big difference in bandwagon voting and voting for pressure, aren't they kinda the same thing?

Eh, well, voting for pressure doesn't neccesarily have to be on a bandwagon, because for example, at the beginning of a day I could vote for someone whose actions at the end of the day yesterday seemed scummy, in order to try to make them explain their actions. Also, bandwagoning doesn't have to be for pressure, some people do it to move the game along or they are too lazy to scumhunt for themselves, so they follow the bandwagons.

Hope that made sense, thinking after playing a very close basketball game is hard

hmmm...
So why did you unvote again?

My 2 main suspects were Hell and cc.com, I was leaning Hell, then when I checked thread after weekend he had claimed and you know the rest.

[Raivann]

Because I'm getting to easy to read for some people and also, like you do, I like to mix things up a bit. I don't like being predictable.

When others that I've never played with get told that I have a scummy town meta, they never believe it. I, personally, would like when I'm town to be read as pro-town, and not vice versa.

Why even worry about it?

@cc.com-Who do you wanna lynch today?

[Raivann]

Was it L1 or L2?

I too would like to know why TheInq.

Hmm, Dev could've been chainsaw defending Hell, though I don't really think he'd be so obvious about it.

Hmm, that maybe so.

Unvote,Vote:Dramonic

Dramonic's only vote all game has been for hell.He WAS very sure of Hell's flip and has called me scum w/no reason other than I voted Starbuck. I think that pretty much raps up Dram's posts.
Except for when he was buddying up to Amished...

lol, I like Amished response ;P

[Raivann]

Ha, Well Dram you're the only player I've ever played with who got lynched twice in one game!

[Raivann]

I was in memento.

I am not buddying to Amished, I said I liked his response, as in, it amuses me. You can be funny and scum at the same time (although I do believe Amished to be town)

You also through in a lol and a wink and you blew him a kiss. Ok I made up the blew him a kiss part.

[Raivann]

Hey Raivann, why are you not posting here when I'm pretty sure I've seen you post elsewhere?

I've been posting from work, home computer was down, not anymore though.
I just got new home computer. Oh yeah baby
I didn't realize I hadn't posted in here for awhile, expect a rise in content

[Raivann]

@Reck-Did you know you never unvoted?
How come your vote shows up as 1 against Star?

[Raivann]

I've been sick, catching up now...

[Raivann]

Raskol, unless I missed something, you hammered Dev !

xRx - 2
VP-1
Amished-1
Raskol-1

[Raivann]

Raivann, post some shit before the thread is locked. Seriously. If you don't, I'm considering it a scumtell.

Gross!
How do you post pictures? I still haven't figured that out.

No but seriously if I would have voted today it would probably have been for Devestation.

[Raivann]

who else do you think is scum and why?

I need more from you. Pics or it didn't happen.

After catching up I agree w/Anon on Starbuck.

Starbuck seems least geniune to me, sure she had a longer case on Dramonic but what does that mean?
I also dont like her xRx vote seems omgusy.

So atm-if Dev flips scum , I like Star as final scumbaggio.

If Dev flips town I think town leaders VP/ Amished need a closer look.

I like xRx and Anon as town. I believe xRx just from the vibe of his posts, and I've been finding myself agreeing with Anons posts.

[Raivann]

So is today still going?

[Raivann]

I'm VT.

... He's a double voter. Nobody else counter-claimed (nor died as a DV) and we hammered several times with him on the wagon and not the required number of "bodies", so to speak.

If he *was* scum and there was another scum left, the game would be over as they'd control 3 votes and this day wouldn't have started.

What if they were only 2 scum ?

@Star- Does your role change when power roles die?

[Raivann]

Raivann lynch=town loss. I'm VT people!

Star's claim just seems to convenient, she knew she couldn't claim VT because of all the suspicion on her.
So if xRx dies she becomes a double voting cop?
Not buying it.

Vote:Starbuck

[Raivann]

GG all, I thought town played pretty good, they were overpowered though.

Cool a post game lynch.

Vote:Anon

You got screwed by shitty partners imo

Go give free oral, or whatever you do.