Mini 903 - Owarai TV (Game over... who won?)

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I'd be here already if -someone- bothered to PM me a link to the topic...

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Personally I don't find putting multiple votes on someone to be a valid tactic- they either freak out and blunder (something that can happen to anyone, regardless of their role) and hence get (band and/or scum)wagoned, or it just turns into an inquisition and nobody really remembers the fact that there was nothing particularly scummy about the person in the first place.

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Haven't we, like, left the RV stage?

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I mean an inquisition of the person being bandwagoned- mafiascum games are topics in a forum, hence people mostly follow what the last page of posts has been on about. Unless the person under the microscope is smart enough to turn the thing around himself (or has an intervention from someone who is capable of doing so), the focus does not leave them until someone takes issue with something that someone else said.

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If thats an RVS vote, it means he's not really paying attention to the game >_>

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In fact, I want to hear the explanation now from Raivann- were you just not paying attention, or do you have a good reason for the vote (or no reason whatsoever)?

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I think wagons are a good thing, just look at the discussion this one has generated.

Even though most of the discussion was about the validity of bandwagons as a scumhunting tool themselves?

That being said I liked Starbucks responses and now that i've explained my vote was for wagon sakes only it kinda loses it's meaning. I was hoping to wait a little longer till the inactives posted but oh well.

Unvote

What about Starbucks responses did you like?

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@Raskol- I don't see them not posting yet as scummy- I wasn't linked to the game at all and only noticed it had started when I was boredly browsing this section of the forum and saw the topic. They need to be prodded, not voted for.

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Uh how was this defending him? It was more like an obvious pointing out that we should not give Rai a "oh I didn't read it" pass which you and Dev seem so inclined to do. The reason why I was pretty sure I answered in my post. "(his questioning of hellfire, his remark that his vote was both random but serious at the same time)".

I challenge the notion that I gave him a "didn't read it pass". I merely left all options open, to ensure no mistakes were made.

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O.o That's a hell of a difference.

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Vote: Raivann

So far, he's basically done nothing original (bandwagon vote and the Raskol question). I think he's just copying people that he knows are protown.

Who's he copying and how would they be pro-town?

There isn't a way that I'm scum and my attacks against Raiv are false and make him scum too.

Can't rule it out as a possibility though, it's just a bus with a twist.

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It still wouldn't be a *false* attack if we were on the same team. I'd know he's scum then; and my attacks are against somebody I know as scum. The closest parallel that I can think of is like a cop with a guilty investigation if that was the case.

Yes, but... oh I get it now, but then of course you would both be scum and the point would be moot.

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Unvote; Vote: HellnFire666

Pressure! Pushin' down on me, pushin' down on you...

Vote xRECKONERx

- theres no pretext for the pressure vote, and a pressure vote without pretext doesn't cause pressure.

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And I come to page eight and

he's folded

. ROFL!

Unvote, Vote HellinFire666.

I sincerely doubt he would have folded unless he was A: scum, or B: really inexperienced.

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Devestation: You haven't seemed to do much scumhunting, just agree with people's points, and explaining things. Who do you think is most likely to be scum?

I challenge that, I've asked plenty of questions. You are the likely scum here, for the reason explained in the previous post.

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If he's guilty, I assume we will ISO him and check his relations with everyone?

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Wait, whoa, whats with all the hammering.

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I dunno. I'm slowly starting to learn there's a very thin line between newbtown and newbscum, and unless it's a newbie game, both need to be lynched.

So in the event of not being able to find anyone scummy enough for your liking, you would just lynch the noobiest player in the game?

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I'm suprised that nobody has yet pointed out that comments like:

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I dunno. I'm slowly starting to learn there's a very thin line between newbtown and newbscum, and unless it's a newbie game, both need to be lynched.

So in the event of not being able to find anyone scummy enough for your liking, you would just lynch the noobiest player in the game?

yes[/quote]

-He would happily lynch a townie.

Vote: hellnfire666

Not a big fan of the 666, yo.

-Lack of any real content in his posts

Reck, why do you want to hammer? I thought you said you were leaning newbtown as well?

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me. You were implying you didn't want to vote him at all previously as far as I could tell. Considering he hasn't even posted, I don't see how this could have changed.

Cause I like hammering.

-Wants to have control over when the hammer falls

Does anyone really think we're going to gain that much information by letting D1 drag on any longer? I mean, discussion hasn't necessarily been BOOMIN' so far.

It's not so much that I want D1 to be longer, so much as I think what I've got so far suggests that I'd be happier if it ends with a different lynch.

I really wouldn't mind hearing something from Inquisition either though, like why I shouldn't regard the fact that his first and only move today was an attempt to end the day before he's had a chance to interact with anyone as a pretty good sign he's scum.

I wouldn't mind hearing from you why you're so eager to hammer someone you've said you have a town read on, either.

Bullshit answer or truthful answer?

-Offers multiple answers?!?

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Vote xRECKONERx

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I'm saying it as I see it, xRECKONERx. You can deny what I see all you want.

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Dev: could you describe the thought process that led to your switch off of the HellFire wagon?

Because xRECKONERx was becoming a lot scummier than HellInFire666, who was at least promising content.

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So I have a question for Dev.

ISO 14

If he's guilty, I assume we will ISO him and check his relations with everyone?

ISO 15

Wait, whoa, whats with all the hammering.

Inbetween which Rai voted, Amished Unvoted.

The vibe I got from iso 14 was that you were pretty content with a Hell lynch at that point. But iso 15 obviously showed you were not, despite the fact that the vote count on Hell didn't increase.

My question being what led you to think there was a hammer? And why were you questioning the hammering when your iso 14 talks about what to do after he flips?

Because I read something about hammering in there. I questioned the hammer because I thought other people still wanted to gain information.

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No, I buy it. I honestly cannot see why xRECKONERx would waste his ability to get his scum buddy lynched.

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So I have a question for Dev.

ISO 14

If he's guilty, I assume we will ISO him and check his relations with everyone?

ISO 15

Wait, whoa, whats with all the hammering.

Inbetween which Rai voted, Amished Unvoted.

The vibe I got from iso 14 was that you were pretty content with a Hell lynch at that point. But iso 15 obviously showed you were not, despite the fact that the vote count on Hell didn't increase.

My question being what led you to think there was a hammer? And why were you questioning the hammering when your iso 14 talks about what to do after he flips?

Because I read something about hammering in there. I questioned the hammer because I thought other people still wanted to gain information.

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No, I buy it. I honestly cannot see why xRECKONERx would waste his ability to get his scum buddy lynched.

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Ack, double double post. My activity will be limited because one by one my browsers are refusing to co-operate with this site, which is a completely uncureable condition (I HAVE TRIED FRICKING EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!)

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Because I'm getting to easy to read for some people and also, like you do, I like to mix things up a bit. I don't like being predictable.

When others that I've never played with get told that I have a scummy town meta, they never believe it. I, personally, would like when I'm town to be read as pro-town, and not vice versa.

Is being easy to read a problem (assuming you are town)? Being unpredictable is only particularly useful if you're a power role.

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@VP: This is not a "last few days issue", my browsers disliking this site has been ongoing since about June last year.

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I want to hear more from Raivann, I don't seem to see any of his posts O.o

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I don't state my thoughts unless something jumps out at me or what I think is clearly not what anyone else is thinking- I get tired of being lynched for "lack of originality".

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I don't state my thoughts unless something jumps out at me or what I think is clearly not what anyone else is thinking- I get tired of being lynched for "lack of originality".

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Go on, lynch me. See if I care.

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Sorry, generally shocking day and I was less than sane when I came on the PC, not helped by seeing various people changing their votes to me >_<

I got no idea what to make of the cop claim- Chauchau has seemed town to me this game, I can't work out why everyone was suddenly voting for her.

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Mental Breakdown = RL events. Pushing it here is a bad idea, because it had nothing to do with this game.

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Sorry, generally shocking day and I was less than sane when I came on the PC, not helped by seeing various people changing their votes to me >_<

I got no idea what to make of the cop claim- Chauchau has seemed town to me this game, I can't work out why everyone was suddenly voting for her.

Who are "various people"?

Why do you not have any idea what to make of the cop claim when you had a town read on chauchau? I would think him claiming cop would fit perfectly with a town read.

-The people that voted me on the last page.

-Because I was unsure what to make of cc.com in the first place. To me she is just another player in the game, and I had yet to distinguish her as town or mafia.

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I just ISO'd xRECKONERx, this is all his posts from when he voted Starbuck. Posts that interested me highlighted in bold.

Unvote; Vote: Starbuck

lulzy

I feel like everyone is always in favor of a Raivann lynch.

Can we lynch Starbuck please?

Free oral to whoever joins my cause.

I got a case for ya... right here, in my pants.

And, as I've said before, it's largely meta, though I could probably iso you and put my thoughts into words

if I haaaaad to

. It'd be sooo much better if people would just be blind and blissfully vote you just because I said so! /sarcasm

I'll get a case up later today. I have class in like twenty minutes so ya. Not happening before then.

I think she meant a substantial case. Zing!

Oh, VP, how I

hate

love you.

In any case, I won't be lynching Raivann today, so please nobody waste time/posts/precious server-load trying to convince me otherwise.

And I'm kinda siding with VPB in doubting that there's a cop in this game, but at the same time, I don't want to lynch a claimed cop until we get a result.

dram, what about Starbuck?

Why?

Vote: dramonic

Better than Devlynch imo

VPB, can we lynch dram today? Sexual favors are on the way if you say yes

This and a few other examples give me the impression that he is following some kind of fixed system as to how he is playing this game.

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damnit. First quote should be bolded, too.

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By fixed system, he's either voting and pressuring for a lynch or waiting to be allowed to hammer based on who is under the microscope at the time, and occasionally he simply reverts back to Raivann- I suspect it's because he is under attack.

I need to look closer and after a dose of coffee and a hell of a lot of fish oil.

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Okay xRECKONERx, now I'm convinced that you are trying to die O.o, which is a WIFOM for scum and given that I can't work it out either way, I'll ignore the whole point.

I await the hammer on Dramonic, I agree Starbuck has a good case.

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His case on Dev will be that he is indecisive, he has not voted at all in this game apart from Reckoner (because he only ever votes if he am 100% dead certain that said person is scum which he rarely is), and his apparent unwillingness to consider anyone except for xRECKONERx.

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So Dev, why aren't you voting for xRx now if you were sure he was scum before? What made you reconsider/change your mind?

It's a new day. I want to see what he does now.

Vote: Devestation

Figures.

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Damn, I was guessing xRECKONERx and Amished were the two mafia -_-

Just goes to show I suck at this game.

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Hell still played better than me.