Agreeing with Thor that your vote on Guderian thoroughly sucked. Your ISO #8 sold it for me, though.
I can't imagine scum ballsy enough to have a scumlist of Seraph, Thor, and AGar, so I'm not really willing to lynch Carrotcake just yet.
This is my problem with ISO #8. This declaration came out of absolutely nowhere, and you don't explain it as if it didn't. And it sets up for some mighty fine wagon hopping; your previous two suspicions are still on the list, so if Thor pursued Powerrox or the Guderian wagon, you'd still be fine. But here's the clincher- you magic a connection between BQ and sims, then vote for BQ. This allows you to stay off the sims lynch until the bandwagon gets large, and then you can simply say that sims and BQ were scumbuddies anyways and vote for sims.AGar wrote:There is scum in the mix of Gud/BQ/PR/sims. Potentially multiple. Possibly all, not likely. The wagons evened out too quickly, like "Oh shit, no bus, no bus."
I'm leaning sims & BQ. If a third, Gud.
Wagons are 4-4 atm (me/Sims).
Go BQ first. If BQ flips scum, then Sims.
BQ tying the wagon would not be a scumtell at all UNLESS sims was scum. But who does he vote for? The person WITHOUT a wagon on them. Smells doubly like a bus to me. Not only does this let him push a lynch on BQ once sims dies, but it also gives him an excuse to stay off the wagon.AGar wrote:Sims wagon was at 4, mine was at 3 and had recently pulled ahead. BQ, while posting about everything else, stuck her vote on my wagon, bringing them back to a tie scenario. If I had to pick out 3, I'd say sims was their scum buddy, Gud put a 3rd vote on him to look like a bit of pressure, PR (town in this scenario) puts his vote on sims to make it 4 and then BQ panics at the wagon actually pulling ahead and votes me to tie them back up.
BQ wouldn't be scum unless sims was because there's absolutely no reason for scumBQ to even out two townie wagons, is there? Also, it seemed like you were setting up for the bus.AGar wrote:Conversely, sims wouldn't be scum unless BQ was trying to save him from what I gathered. And how is pushing for the player without a wagon constitute a bus? You're kidding right?
Four players = scumteam + 1 extra. What's wrong with a margin of error, again?AGar wrote:Honestly, Nacho pegging almost half of the remaining players as scum (Myself, sims, SS, and reckamonic) and then calling a slot with little-to-no actual activity town is laughable at best.
I was referring to sims's #15, which seemed like a terrible reaching reason that he KNEW was bad, as evidenced by the need to put the disclaimer on it beforehand.Thor665 wrote: I read this earlier and read it again now - I'm still too dense to get it. Could you expand on this for me please?
First of all, my logic doesn't push for a lynch based on wagons being evened out like yours does.AGar wrote:If I'm scum and I see a townie wagon pulling ahead of another, and I even them out, it looks like I'm stopping a bus. By your logic, then we should lynch the countered wagonee and if he flips scum, lynch me. If he flips town, I'm out of said suspicion.
Neither way is foolproof, and it may have been naive of me to believe that such a theory held it's own, but based on how the wagons gained such ground - sims with actual seeming intent to lynch, mine with a handful of random votes - it comes across plausibly to me, and I believe I've more than sufficiently explained it.
You based an entire scumread off a single vote, on you, that just occured a little after the RVS? If so, you really shouldn't be calling anyone's reasoning weak.AGar wrote:Meant to include that the BQ scumread was based off of the timing, nature and attitude of that one vote. That's why I'm laughing at a townread based off of "posting." Scumread wasn't based off of posting, it was based off of the vote and situations surrounding it.
What do you mean by that? Are you saying that I'm positioned to hop onto any bandwagon I like, or...?AGar wrote:and grouping a lot of suspects with mobility.
PR wins the "most likely to be town based on the Guderian wagon" award, sorry.AGar wrote:Why is Sims specifically scum out of that group? I'd pick anyone besides him based off the reaction.
Why not post something concrete instead of waiting for all of the work to be done for you?sims wrote:I'd like to hear something really concrete.
You think she's trying to lurk away the pressure?Seraphim wrote:Carrot's absence does not bode well. I feel a disturbance in the force.
sims scum (main posts of interest below):Nachomamma8 wrote:Mothrax and PR are definitely town.
This is almost as tin-foil hatty as AGar's BQ theory!sims5487 wrote:I am going to go with a loose theory here; as a n00b, any and all are welcome to point out holes and inaccuracies (and in Thor's case, annoyances with CAPS and posting etiquette). I'm starting to think maybe Gud is scum and claiming SK in hopes that we'd offer allegiance (as CarrotCake has done), thus ensuring the survival of at least one scum to endgame. Other people have pointed out some scummy behavior from CC; it would make sense that she, as scum, would try to jumpstart a ridiculous campaign to offer him sanctuary and use him as anti-scum rather than anti-town. Thoughts?
Unvote
Vote: Guderian
...and the rest of the overreaction with Confid. What really pings my scumdar about it is that it lacks a vote to accompany the reaction.sims5487 wrote:AGar - You presume correctly.
Sorry for stirring the waters everybody. I would like the point out that as suspicious as my (apparent) overreaction may seem to you, there is something to be said for an overreaction to an overreaction (not to get too circular here). Which is the point I was trying to make about confid.
Confid your argument is weak. Checking in with a post is hardly a scum tell, it's staying active in the game. I think maybe it's a fair argument to make, but on its own it lacks substance. That is why I "overreacted". I was surprised that you would consider something like that a scum tell.
AGar I'm still not sure what your case is on BQ. You've been awfully quiet, save for your initial "vote" on Gud (whom you conveniently forgot to actually vote for...)
I'm also not a fan of Power jumping on the anti-me bandwagon by just simply restating all the aforementioned weak arguments. Making an RVS vote when we were "clearly" out of RVS stage was perhaps a newb mistake (even though I still see nothing wrong with it as I hadn't, at that point, had much information to go on for anything), but to blow it up into such a big thing is suspicious and opportunistic.
Well, iam's play will show us who's right and whose wrong, I guess. As for the whole AGar thing... Honey, you're preaching to the choir. I pegged him as scum before you did...Reckamonic wrote:@Nacho: While we can buy the fact that sims was, as you put it, "tin-foil hatty", we can easily chalk that up to newbish nerves, or overeagerness, or something to that effect. Meanwhile, AGar has been around long enough to know better than that. His play here compared to his play in Reck's Lost games (which dram played in) are completely different. Something is definitely off.
No one is 100% accurate all the time, right? And would you have minded if I told him to watch Powerrox closely instead of you?Reckamonic wrote:PS, we're not liking how you tell Lateralus that sims, AGar, and singersinger are the scumteam… but then tell him, in the very same post, to 'watch Reckamonic closely'. Reasons?
Reckamonic wrote:FoS: mothrax
>.>Nachomamma8 wrote:Mothrax and PR are definitely town.
Is it just me, or is everyone missing this chunk of the case?Lateralus22 wrote:Now onto Day 2, her vote is awful. Exactly man, who does try to make an alliance with an Sk? You're berated her for being unorthodox, what is the scum motivation for this? Sure you did explain later but what you're saying is fundamentally wrong. You're using words like "unintelligible" and "unexperienced as a method to discredit here. But here's the thing, CC joined this forum in 2007 so that shows can't even be bothered to get your facts right.
I love this line, Just because you claim something is omgus, doesn't make it true. This is exactly what you just did to me right here. You immediately attacked me and accused me of OMGUS as a method to discredit to, the hostility you've shown reads more as defensive scum because you don't have some giant case against CC, you weren't even confident enough in your vote to keep it over your V/LA with the whole my vote is useless over V/LA!" scene. Look at the last line of the last link in this post, this is a baseless attack. This is affront to discredit me when I was obviously just trying to get reads, communicating directly with people helps immensely with that.
Seraphim how can you get a town read off this?iamausername wrote:Hi, it doesn't appear to have been announced by the mod yet, but I'm replacing sims. I've got my role PM and everything, so I assume it's OK for me to start posting.
Might not have time for full and proper analysis until tomorrow, but basically, hell no to Carrotcake lynch. Yesterday, someone was lynched for refusing to conform to site norms, and also for being kind of a dick. If you don't believe that scum had any involvement in this, then I don't even know what to say. Of course they did.
So, today, we have Carrotcake, one of the few people who was not on the Guderian lynch, acting like kind of a dick, refusing to conform to site norms, and hey look, a whole bunch of the same people who mislynched Guderian are now trying to lynch him too. That sure sounds like a winning strategy to me.
VOTE: AGar
I'd also happily vote for Seraphim or POWER OX, who were also on both Guderian and Carrotcake wagons, but it's clearly a two horse race today, so the decision is obvious.
What?AGar wrote:Lat comes in, votes one way, then after realizing pressure isn't getting off of him he votes on the next largest wagon.
>.>Seraphim wrote:However, if he feels he has a claim which might prevent his lynch(which I think he does, hence his refusal to claim now that his wagon is dying),
DemonHybrid wrote:There is a 5 day extension. You guys may still vote for the three day extension by the normal Deadline Extension vote.
This is what bothered me earlier. Seraphim, you know what gut is.Seraphim wrote:I targeted him because of a vibe I got...I dunno
I'm responding to you commenting how you'd like to know how Seraphim knows you're scum.singersinger wrote:The first half of this sounds like it's responding to something I said, but I don't know what.
I'm referring to the possibility of you AND Seraphim being town. No, I haven't.singersinger wrote:The second half is incomplete in explanation. What other possibilities are you referring to, and have you already assumed that I'm lying then? This isn't a themed game. Mafia ninja shouldn't even be a possibility.
I certainly hope he doesn't! He's calling you scum in LyLo...singersinger wrote:You may fool the rest of town, but you don't fool me.
Bothering me infinitely more was the fact that mothrax died when you were his only target. But you did claim it, and I sure as hell wouldn't if I were scum in your position so that's some townie points in your direction.Reckamonic wrote:The only thing that is really bothering me now (meh, guess the theatrics can be forgiven) is the fact that Seraphim chose to watch mothrax… who would CERTAINLY not have been our first pick to be watched were we watcher.
Reckamonic wrote:What am I missing, here?
Nachomamma8 wrote:We have a confirmed scum in between singersinger and Seraphim regardless of everything else.
Nachomamma8 wrote:We have a confirmed scum in between singersinger and Seraphim regardless of everything else.
Nachomamma8 wrote:We have a confirmed scum in between singersinger and Seraphim regardless of everything else.
Thor, jailkeep is typicially just roleblock + protect. The jailkeeping you're thinking of is non-normal.Nachomamma8 wrote:We have a confirmed scum in between singersinger and Seraphim regardless of everything else.
Reckamonic wrote:Fuck this shit.Nachomamma8 wrote:V/LA lasting longer than expected, but I will make a post in here tomorrow.
Vote: Nacho
If we're wrong, gg scum.
So, let me get this straight: He votes me in LyLo because he's angry at my site-wide V/LA, then promptly goes V/LA himself? This is hypocritical, and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever from a town perspective.Reckamonic wrote:multiple synchronized real life issues, please standby.
Reckamonic wrote:It's possible for us to pull through with a scumlynch here, but we could literally see anybody being scum EXCEPT for Nachomamma8.
Reckamonic wrote:LAT I JUST POINTED OUT WHY NACHOMAMMA IS SCUM AND SERAPHIM IS HIS BUDDY HE'S TRYING TO HELP WIN THE GAME WITH
PLZ REVOTE
singersinger wrote:1. How exactly is it incriminating of Thor more than you?
2. How the FUCK does that make you look any better?
BOTH scum bussing their claimed guilty partner in LyLo?DemonHybrid wrote:Seraphim - 4(singersigner,Nachomamma8, Lateralus22,Reckamonic)
He voted me directly after I announced V/LA, while quoting my V/LA. So what else am I supposed to think he's voting me for?singersinger wrote:He wasn't angry at you specifically, he was just frustrated at the lack of participation. And you're the one saying he's mad at your lylo. Personally, I think he was just impatient, but that's just me. You trying to pin a case on him isn't helping.
You mean the scumslip that I refuted in #730, which he never responded to?singersinger wrote:This is a misrep, too, considering those quotes were time-stamped at completely different times in the game. The second was AFTER Recka had pointed out your scumslip...or are you so conveniently forgetting that one?