Mini 74 - It's over.

[Norinel]

Yeah, I did. /confirm here if it makes you happier.

[Norinel]

Hello. I'll see if the whole not voting until stuff happens thing gets me through Night 2 this time.

[Norinel]

That's a standard practice. Have any better ideas? Personally, I think it's worth a try to change the someone from a person more or less random to someone who does something stupid/suspicious, which is why I haven't voted yet.

[Norinel]

Most of the time, when I say random vote, I actually do go to random.org and get a number to randomly choose someone who isn't me. I don't think what Zoneace has said is much worse than other Day 1 posts.

[Norinel]

Good point about ages, but MR's immediate response to Zoneace's Thoth vote wasn't much better.

vote: ages, FOS: Mighty Raven

[Norinel]

I don't think we need ages to claim now. Something in his/her (Which?) post about semireluctance to claim seems townish (But it could be just newbie mafia poor play) so

unvote: ages

.

FOS: Mighty Raven

for attacking Zoneace and then using the attention-diverting tactic of posting without saying anything opinionated. I've used it.

[Norinel]

Stewie- If I read it right, I unvoted Zoneace and Riven didn't.

[Norinel]

When I said Zoneace there I meant ages. Sorry for the confusion. I don't like the ages bandwagon, so

vote: Mighty Raven

for the same reason I FOSed him a few posts up.

[Norinel]

At least the death of the backup means that we probably have a doctor around.

btw, I'm going to be away thursday/friday so please don't bandwagon me while I'm gorn

Well, then it's a good thing you aren't one of the lizard creatures from The Arena.

vote: gin

for putting on the lynching vote without waiting for a claim. There's no reason to do it if the roles aren't bizarre.

[Norinel]

As I posted in the vacation thread, I'll be away from the 23rd to the 27th.

I actually find Yggdrasil pretty suspicious, partially due to his redundant rebringing up of the same not paying attention quote. (It's old now.) Also, his other posts so far have been short, sometimes taking sides, and mostly just pointing out points that other people have said. Thus,

FOS: Yggdrasil

[Norinel]

I was about to post about how everyone was assuming non-standard deadline rules Day 1, but then I noticed where Stewie explicitly stated them. Silly me.

Right now I dont have much of an idea, but would like to hear Norinel (before you leave us) and ML's thoughts.

I'll oblige, but asking for the two of us specifically makes me a little suspicious that you're trying to get opinions of people who haven't expressed any against a fellow mafia. Thus...

Rereading the parts of the days that lead to lynches, the people who raised the biggest argument against ages instead of Zoneace seemed to be ML (Who later that day tried to direct suspicion at gin) and Riven. Just about everyone attacked gin somehow Day 2 except for willows_weep, which makes me a little more inclined to trust him for not going after an easy townie lynch. Maybe the mafia's Lain, Riven, and Zoneace. It's more likely that one of them's trying to plant suspicion on the other two through association, and I have a feeling Riven's been doing the most to do that.

[Norinel]

Norinel has done nothing suspicious and during the game. This makes me inclined to see him as scum. He's the most experienced player here and would probably not have a lot of trouble avoiding suspicous remarks as a Mafia member. As a town member he might have stirred up discussion a bit more.

I've only been evil two and a half times. The half was London, where I could have become evil, but didn't, so played as entirely pro-town when the opportunity lent me. The second was Gamersville, where I was mafia and made suspicious remarks. The third was Mario, where I got recruited by the cult the night before the mod disappeared and before I could even ask if the cult was pro-town or not.

As for this game, I've been mostly hanging back. Modding has given me other stuff to do, and I don't really like to post in twilight.

I want to vote Riven, but for the reason I mentioned above about every vote possibly being the final one I'll wait until others tell me what they think about this.

Me too, based on what I mentioned in my last post.

[Norinel]

Since we need to go somewhere, I'll make my suspicions of Riven into an almost-vote

FOS: Riven

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[Norinel]

I'd mentioned my absence in the thread.

Still for going after Riven, but with time until deadline I won't vote yet.

[Norinel]

I don't think the mafia would jump on with the game this stagnated; it'd be safer to just not vote and hope for a no lynch.

vote: Riven

He's posted, and mostly ignored the accusations against him. (Though I admit mine aren't very well explained.) This game needs to go somewhere.

[Norinel]

No posts in almost 24 hours does not seem to be the right way to respond to deadline removal...

Between the two other people with a vote, ZONEACE was also part of my guess at the mafia, so

unvote: Riven, vote: ZONEACE

.

*crosses fingers*

[Norinel]

I'll admit my vote was mostly to get the game moving.

So either both Yggdrasil and I are mafia, or ZONEACE is mafia, or the mafia aren't jumping on either because there aren't three mafia (Or the mafia have never all been online at the same time) or to incriminate some of us. I can't consider the first, and if the third's true we might be able to afford a townie lynch. Vote stands.

[Norinel]

Zoneace- The main reasons I find you suspicious are the content of your first few posts Day 1 (As well as how you defended yourself then by saying you didn't understand the attack) and the way the bandwagon then just completely jumped ship to ages.

Your posting style (Specifically underuse of line breaks and proper grammar) also annoys me and makes it difficult for me to read what it is you have to say. I'll try to remember to post a rant on grammar or something in General Discussion once this is over.

[Norinel]

Medicated Lain said

If ZONE were innocent, the mafia would've killed him off by now, they've had plenty of chance.

can you explain that for me please?

There's a good chance that there's three mafia left. If there is, and we lynch incorrectly today, the mafia win. (Since there'll be an equal number of innocents and mafia) Since it's only four to lynch, there only needs to be one innocent voting for someone in order for the other three mafia to lynch that person. If all three scum are online when an innocent has a vote on another innocent, they can all pile votes on quickly, get the innocent lynched, and win.

[Norinel]

Precisely. We need to go somewhere, and I find it doubtful that anyone other than ZONEACE can get lynched in the next 72 hours.

[Norinel]

Assuming there are two mafia left, we have to lynch mafia today. It's possible that there's only one mafia left.

It's almost certain we have a doc left (Since a backup doc is already dead and no docs have died), and perhaps also a vig, but I don't think it's best for the roled to claim just yet. However, I don't think any votes should be cast without a claim from the votee.

As I've said before, ML and Riven were pretty much the driving factor in deflecting the Day 1 ZONEACE bandwagon to ages. Ww had a vote near the end of that lynch that could've been opportunistic from a scum standpoint. Yggdrasil hasn't seemed to be a leading factor in anything; he's definitely been hanging back in a not quite lurking way. Riven still looks the most likely to me, though, so I shall again

FOS: Riven

[Norinel]

My order of suspicion from most to least is probably Riven, Medicated Lain, Yggdrasil, willows_weep. I'd be most interested in hearing from Riven, as to why he pushed for an ages lynch instead of ZONEACE and perhaps a claim at some point. (I'd love it if we could get scum with as few claims as possible, so as to not out the doc, probably the closest thing to confirmed we have.)

Just to refresh my memory, nobody alive's claimed, right? I know I haven't.

[Norinel]

We seem to be going nowhere again. Bah.

I will vote for Riven in 72 hours unless I find a very good reason not to. The one little doubt in my mind is that Yggdrasil and/or willows_weep might be riding on the coattails of my suspicions, but I'm not sure.

[Norinel]

coattail of your suspicions? Where do you get that from?

What I mean is that, if you and someone else are scum and Riven isn't, you may be supporting my suspicions of him to make me feel like I've got enough support to cast a vote.

[Norinel]

Well, I missed my initial threat time by about 12 hours, but the lack of posting hasn't really convinced me otherwise:

vote: Riven

[Norinel]

Well, I've voted to try to rekindle this endgame. Don't see any reason to change it. I think the problem is that there's no incentive to post beyond something along the lines of my first two sentences. We seem to be to clueless to risk the game.

[Norinel]

I note that you left out 4: We're both town, and there's either only one mafia or the two mafia haven't been coordinated enough to vote for you at the same time. If you don't think that's an option, then it seems that much less likely that it is an option, which would mean that it's more likely you're scum.

[Norinel]

One mafia gone, so there may be one or two left.

[Norinel]

ML hasn't posted anywhere in a while, though. I find the deadline a bit much, but there's not much more I can do about getting anyone other than myself lynched than I'm already doing.

[Norinel]

Maybe the mafia's Lain, Riven, and Zoneace.

Well, at least I was two-thirds right. Congrats scum, especially Yggdrasil, whom I found definitely less suspicious than the other scum (And a townie or two).