Mini 74 - It's over.

[Riven]

/confirm

[Riven]

Damn, we lost our cop

Back from my long weekend
And i'll start with a

Random Vote: Yggdrasil

for now.

[Riven]

What say we try to get those that havent posted yet to do so?

willows_weep is one that comes to mind... come on dude, post.. even if to say "Hi, i'm here"

[Riven]

ZONEACE said:

sorry

not looking to lynch

you thoth just lookin gto get the information train moving

Bolding is mine.

Ages said:

A random 2nd vote? Looks like a deliberate vote on someone already with a vote to me.

Looking for a lynch?

Again bolding is mine.
Trying to twist ZONEACEs words from information hunting to lynching?

Ages said:

Ages also has a point against him with his 'looking for a lynch' comment

I was meaning to suggest that ZONEACE might be, but then I suppose I misundersood what he meant by random vote.

No, you misunderstood what he meant by "not looking for a lynch" perhaps?

Looks like your trying to confuse the town to me.

UnVote: Yggdrasil
Vote: Ages

[Riven]

4 votes for ages, if the mod would count ML's vote, but it appears not, until ML unvotes whoever, and votes ages.

Thoth Said:

That makes it 5 votes on ZONEACE people. Please give him a chance to talk before someone 'accidently' casts the lynching vote.

Trying to get a role claim pretty quickly, and also the 'accidently' bit almost looks like your asking for the extra votes, so your scum mates can add the last 2 votes.

FOS: Thoth

[Riven]

Hmm.. well i just dont know anymore.

Unvote: ages

FOS: everyone

[Riven]

Welcome back to the game willows_weep

[Riven]

For those in NZ (waves) the deadline will be actually 10:06am Wednesday.

Hmm.. re-reading ages earlier defence, ages said:

I realise that I haven't acted like a crowd, and as it is my first game I have tried to shine, I suppose to impress people. I now realise that this isn't how I should be playing the game.

I believe that the scum are those that try their hardest to go along with the crowd, and not stand out.. And you mentioned in the opening of the post that you have messed up this game...... for not being part of the crowd.

vote: ages

[Riven]

I make that 5 votes for ages.

UnVote: ages

I'd like to hear his defence before someone lynches him.

[Riven]

Hmm.. well in that case

Vote: ages

[Riven]

ML: I did agree with you before, but i was so sure that ages was scum

Now gin has more scummie things pointing at him, like the quick last vote, along with Willows_Weep.

Vote: Gin
FOS: Willows_Weep

[Riven]

Oh ok in that case

unvote:Riven

VOTE:AGES

Why? Because well thursday is coming...and this isn't moving too fast.

Really??

[Riven]

But that doesnt excuse you from making votes without any reasoning behind them, or at least quoting someone elses post that you agree with.

You seem change your avatar as much as your story

[Riven]

We need to be really careful today, as i think that a wrong lynch is going to end the game.

Right now I dont have much of an idea, but would like to hear Norinel (before you leave us) and ML's thoughts.

Think i'll go and re-read the thread later this afternoon, see if that helps.

[Riven]

Right now I dont have much of an idea, but would like to hear Norinel (before you leave us) and ML's thoughts.

I'll oblige, but asking for the two of us specifically makes me a little suspicious that you're trying to get opinions of people who haven't expressed any against a fellow mafia. Thus...

Rereading the parts of the days that lead to lynches, the people who raised the biggest argument against ages instead of Zoneace seemed to be ML (Who later that day tried to direct suspicion at gin) and Riven. Just about everyone attacked gin somehow Day 2 except for willows_weep, which makes me a little more inclined to trust him for not going after an easy townie lynch. Maybe the mafia's Lain, Riven, and Zoneace. It's more likely that one of them's trying to plant suspicion on the other two through association, and I have a feeling Riven's been doing the most to do that.

I was asking for your input, as you're leaving us soon. And i asked for ML as she hadnt posted her thoughts very much recently.. i should have also added Thoth's name too, but was tired and forgot.

[Riven]

ZONEACE more so, because we have no scum, and have only had one kill per night, which seriously seems like only one killing group, and in a game of 12 people, it would make sense the killing group would be atleast 3 people, can't be four, because there's only 7 people left, mafia would've won, however, with one vote placed, three mafia could just vote along, kill off a townie, and win the game. So, unless there's less than three mafia, one of either ZONEACE, or weeping_willow has to be mafia. ZONEACE, because the other two mafia wouldn't just follow along without having a definate fourth vote for the lynch, it would be so obvious when the three tried to vote, so it could've been ZONE just trying to rally up the others to vote... so unless ZONEACE is a townie and our mafia can't see this, which I just don't see happening... then it would have to be willows_weep, because mafia would not just aboard with a townie to lynch a fellow mafia, when this day could decide who wins.

With all that said... nothing is going to get accomplished right now, unless we vote someone, or people just decide to roleclaim.. I don't like the idea of roleclaiming, and I don't like the idea of just voting, concidering I do really believe this is last day if we don't catch scum... I'll say that I think ZONE looks scummier than willows_weep right now, and just wait for what the rest of you think.

I also think we are most likely to have 3 scum in a mini, and that 1 killing group is pretty obvious. So as you say, if Zone is scum voting for a townie, the others wont vote until another townie joins in to make the lynch possible. This seems like a stupid thing for scum to do, so i'm less inclined to believe this situation, as its quite a gamble for the mafia.

If Zoneace is a townie voting for a townie, then surely the 3 scum would have ended the day by now. So that makes this the least likely situation.

If both Zoneace and Willows_Weep are scum, this could be a method of disassociation(sp?). Lynching a fellow scum to make yourself look more like a townie. I think that the mafia would want to try and end this day with all 3 living still to win, so I think this is not very likely.

Then if zone is a townie voting for a scum, the rest of the scum arnt going to jump on and kill one of their own, and they'd actually need two townies for a successful lynch (unless willows_weep votes for willows_weep, this is assuming 3 scum still). This is also a genuine possibility.

For now i'll

FOS: Willows_Weep

, just incase i'm wrong with me reasoning.

[Riven]

I don't think the mafia would jump on with the game this stagnated; it'd be safer to just not vote and hope for a no lynch.

vote: Riven

He's posted, and mostly ignored the accusations against him. (Though I admit mine aren't very well explained.) This game needs to go somewhere.

I did have any accusations to answer, some people just mentioned that I was in their list of suspected scum.

[Riven]

er, that should be "I

didnt

have any accusations to answer, some people just mentioned that I was in their list of suspected scum."

[Riven]

Sorry for not posting recently, but I have been very sidetracked with work and honeymoon in 2 days

My suspicious list atm stands with Norinel, Willows_Weep & Zoneace.

Cant find anything really dodgy about ML, Thoth or Yggdrasil.

Vote: Zoneace

I know this is the final vote, but everyone thinks hes scum, and the game has kinda stalled for long enough.

[Riven]

OK, I reckon there is 2 mafia left, and i'd pick Norinel and Willows_Weep if i had to. But to be honest it could really be any of us.. i have found it very hard to find anything to stick to anyone throughout the whole game.
I just get a feeling about them two is all.

Norinel:
I voted for ages because it looked to me that he was trying to twist zoneaces fairly innocent post into soemthing it wasnt. at the time i didnt find zoneace had really posted anything that made me want to chase him and ages seemed quite keen for zoneaces lynch.

I also dont think claiming is a good thing to do right now, especially with a doc that could save us.

[Riven]

Well I've had a vote on me now for 2 and a bit days, and the mafia havent finished it.

So either-

1, Norinel is scum trying to get support, much like Zoneace, and needs a townie to vote to make the lynch, along with her other partner.

2, We're both scum, and its a diversion.

3, Norinel is town, and i'm scum, therefore not gaining the other scums support.

I say its number 1, however I would say that

Vote: Norinel

[Riven]

I didn't consider your option 4 as a serious possibility no. I'm sure if there were 2 scum out there not voting that one of them would've thrown a vote on me by now. Nor do I think that only 1 mafia left is likely.

[Riven]

Yggdrasil, how could you, putting on the last vote like that, and without them getting to claim even.

Well done