Mini 1337 - Elite Mafia (Game Over)

[absta101]

Hello everyone!
I'll catch up tomorrow.

[absta101]

I don't see why you'd place your first vote on someone who would be the most familiar with your townie playstyle, is all. From my experience, first time scum are likely to vote for someone who may notice any changes in their meta.

Trying to find reason behind a random vote is just silly. If Bork was scum he would've added more reason to his vote so that maybe he would have gained support. Otherwise, what is the point in voting someone who may notice a change in his meta?

milk it wasn't RVS, you had a reason outside the not that much game related RVS votes so it wasn't a random vote, i find this weird but not enough for a vote.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bork
i like coffee's meta reasoning, so i am showing that i support it.

I can't believe you are actually supporting that. What could Bork (as scum) gain from voting someone in RVS?

[absta101]

Wow, this is possibly the most inactive game ever.

[absta101]

@Thom
Which post exactly?

[absta101]

The only thing coffee has to back it up is his 'experience'. What would be the rationale in doing that as scum considering one vote in RVS does NOTHING to get the person you're voting lynched.
Can we conclude that this is a null tell?

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@Humble
I guess i'm used to people replying faster due to one of my current games.

I've only skimmed through the game once. I skipped the posts where players were answering the set questions.

[absta101]

I will attempt to build a more solid read on everyone. Though, I don't expect to find much from the ISOs as the game is just getting started.
Anyway...

Aragula

Nothing too important to get from him atm. The only thing I could find was that him and seacore have developed an awkward relationship. If in the future one of them suspects the other, it might be based on their emotions more than actual tells. This is most likely not the case however, as Aragula has a town read on seacore.
@Aragula
I would like to know who your scum reads are. I know that you don't have any scum reads so far. Though, If you look harder, i'm sure you'll find something.

DTMaster

Firstly I want to clear this up. In post #95 you said,

"The current argument/"case" on absta is still awaiting a response especially with the new questions from Humble."

Who are you waiting for a response from?
In post #96

"Still waiting on meta research results but will expect them shortly."

Meta research results, what?

I don't like that he's trying to pick out a scum team before we have a scum flip. In post #107 he says

"THIS REEKS OF DISTANCING. CALLING IT NOW, EARLY TECHNO AND ROFLCOPTER linkage to be scum buddies since reading between the lines this looks like distancing between the parties."

Unless one of them flips scum, this quote is as reliable as roflcopter's post (#44).

Overall I'm getting a town read from him. He spends most of his time scum hunting which is an obvious good sign.

Humble Poirot

Basically the same as DT. Spends his time looking for scum.
Humble and DT are my strongest town reads so far.

Milk

I'm not seeing him as scum unlike some of you. Could someone (who still finds him scummy) explain to me (or link me to a post where they already have) why Milk is scum?

MormonCoffee

I dislike his case on Milk. It seems to be based solely on the 'fact' that Milk's vote wasn't random. It's possible for Milk's vote to have been random whilst having a random, but true, statement attached to it.
Vote: Thom (random vote)
I dislike rqs (random but true statement).

To be continued. Right now I'm bored.

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[absta101]

ISO continued...

Phenenas

His 3 posts contain no useful information.

roflcopter

Asks a lot of questions which can help move the game forward. I'm not liking post #44 though.
In post #44, he says,

"if he's scum, arugula is too. seacore is town."

(the 'he' rofl is referring to is Milk)
After this, he says

"discuss"

Couldn't you have explained it to us? (Can you explain how you came to that conclusion now as well).
I'm finding it hard to understand why you would want us to discuss something that has zero basis.
Generally it isn't helpful to name 'scum teams' before we have a scum flip. Can we all stop trying to find teams now?

In post #37, he says

"what do you think of the fact that coffee didn't follow up his own argument with a vote?"

Why didn't you just tell us what YOU thought? I wouldn't say this is you being cautious but someone could have argued that.

Could you explain why you only asked questions to a few members in post #82. Also, why weren't your questions all the same (most of them were)?

I'm not sure what to think of rofl atm. I'll wait untill I get some responses from him.

Seacore

Other than his interactions with Aragula, seacore is looking good. There's not much to see in his ISO. Like with Aragula, my views here won't be reliable due to small amounts of content for me to analyse.
I'm getting town vibes from him. He goes to the trouble of reading up on Thom's early games to get a more substantial read on him. Just too make sure of his claims in post #9, I might have to read the earlier games as well. I'm sick right now so I doubt I will.

SensFan

Post #87 he says,

"I doubt there's much to gain about alignments from either the Milk/Seacore or the Arugula/Seacore spats. The fact that Seacore is common to both might be relevant, though."

In my first game (this is my joint 2nd as I have 3 ongoing games) the player who hinted, like you did here, turned out to be scum. Where did 'Milk/Seacore' and 'Arugula/Seacore' even come from anyway?

Same with seacore/Aragula, need more posts from you. Maybe you could explain why you chose those two as town reads and give us some of your views on who you think is scum.

To be continued. When I feel like it.

[absta101]

VOTE: roflcopter
did i just read a scumslip?

Tell us, what do you see?

[absta101]

Also I forgot to say. I think sensfan might be scum based on my read of him.

[absta101]

read the quote i quoted, it seems extremely off to me.

I'm starting to sense OMGUS from your vote.
What about the quote seems off?

[absta101]

i just don't see town motivation behind that, and seems like a slip of words.

Can you be more precise? What does

"but i think techno is more likely to hit scum"

mean to you?

[absta101]

Do you vote someone in hopes of them turning out to be town?

[absta101]

UNVOTE:
Sorry, RVS vote i'm guessing.

[absta101]

@rofl
"but seeing how the two parties respond to being called a scum team can be."
Not with the way you did it. The two players could've just ignored what you said as it just came out of nowhere. Nevertheless, what you did wasn't exactly incriminating.
What kind of reaction did you get anyway?

[absta101]

Sorry all. I'll try to post asap.

[absta101]

VOTE: Sensfan
Based on what I thought during the ISO. Out of the people i've ISOd he was most scummy.

[absta101]

Okay, I don't want to do long reads anymore.

@Sensfan
Why won't you claim?

@Uber
Stop the fucking spam. You'll make it a pain to read back in the future.

[absta101]

@Junpei

Do you actually find sensfan scummy or are you just voting him because of his activity? That's what I'm getting from post #236.
Now that sensfan is posting more, will your vote move to, say, someone like Tech? Or do you plan on getting sensfan lynched?

"TeChNoWC is a more solid scumread now."

(post #250).

"I am ready to lynch Sensfan after I catch up no matter what simply on the reasoning that if Sensfan isn't lynched now, the tone will be set that we tolerate doing nothing and not scumhunting."

(post #236).

@Elmo

I only have sensfan as a read right now.

@Seacore

(post #326)
Why would you ask people to remind you to look into someone? Surely you can remember to yourself?
This could be a sign of you trying to steer town in my direction for D2. Though, there's both town and scum motivation in this.

UN

Dude... You that eager to talk with your scum buddies?

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@UN
Sensfan isn't dead yet.

@Iceguy
I'll have to check back on my reads to see if I found anyone else scummy. Frankly I don't want to ISO HP, DT or Tech ever again. It drags to read their walls.

[absta101]

@Iceguy
By 'read' I meant scum read. I was replying back to Elmo.

[absta101]

Wtf? I thought Ice quoted me. WTF!?

[absta101]

Anyway.
@UN
"@ abs: Way to attempt to make my hammer look scummy, when it was anything but."
You didn't hammer you know?

[absta101]

DT unvoted so sensfan was at L-2. UN thought he hammered.

[absta101]

First tell us why you altered a quote. You quoted what I said and stated it was from UN in post #351. I don't think I can trust your quotes anymore.

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@Junpei
Questions directed towards you, post #350.

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@Junpei
What's scummy about refusing to explain reads? If sensfan were scum, why would he refuse to explain his reads?

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@Humble
It seems sensfan could have avoided all this if he were to explain (somehow) his reads.

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@UN
YOU calling sensfan 'useless as fuck'?
You only recently voted him. You removing your vote has basically no effect. DT and Humble have said they will vote him.

[absta101]

@UN
Can you give some examples?

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@Junpei
What's scummy about refusing to explain reads? If sensfan were scum, why would he refuse to explain his reads?

Are you implying you don't find Sensfan scummy?

If so, why are you voting for him?

I'm voting for a different reason. Refer to my read on sensfan.

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@UN
Examples of, "absta101 has done more than his fair share of "preaching to the choir" about Sens, as it were."

[absta101]

if sens flips town MASSIVE fos on rofl for that hammer, ending discussion suddenly is just bleh to me.

Hardly ending discussion.

[absta101]

We've given sensfan enough time to claim.

[absta101]

Nice job PR.
Now its up to you to either come out with who you targeted or try to find the other suspects yourself.

[absta101]

What!? No one died which means someone got blocked. Whoever got blocked is scum. The PR who blocked scum could either claim and tell us who he blocked or keep quiet. I think it's obvious i'm not the one who was targeted by the RB, get your votes off me.

[absta101]

Wow. This is embarrassing.
@Ice
Tell me please.

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@Humble
No I haven't. Completely forgot.
In my first game (Newbie 1225), scum got RB on N2 and the PR came out and claimed.

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@Iceguy
"If he's derp, he's derpscum: scum thinks of being blocked first and foremost because they send in the action, town would think of protection or at least both."
This isn't true. Scum can fail via doctor protection. Scum would think both. How would they differentiate?
I thought RB because i've only been in a game with RB. It's natural for me to assume that scum got blocked as that's what happened in my last game (first game).

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@Arugula
"If he's derp, he's derpscum: scum thinks of being blocked first and foremost because they send in the action, town would think of protection or at least both."
Is this what you're trying to say...?

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@Humble
VOTE: Iceguy

[absta101]

By RB I mean jail keeper. I assumed they were the same thing.

[absta101]

UN can you at least go look at Newbie 1225 (page 32, post #793-796)

[absta101]

Well I did mean JK. Look at the game, it had a JK.

[absta101]

Wth are you talking about?

[absta101]

Iceguy is a better lynch than me, even if I am scum. Which i'm not.

I think I caught the sensfan curse...

[absta101]

Guys, seriously...

[absta101]

Good game, I guess?

[absta101]

I'm keen to see Humble's rant

Same here.

I played awful but getting Nk'd by scum was good at least.