Mini 1346: Flavorless Mafia - GAME OVER

[farside22]

With 8/9 players confirmed, Day 1 is now open.

What no PM saying day 1 start?!?!?!?!!?

Cuz I can.

Watch me post again even though I said I wouldn't.

Like a boss.

You enjoy rocking the boat, don't you?

Psyche: What is your logic behind not posting before something happens, and what is your logic for saying this is your intention and then immediately defecting?

seriously?

lolgic

pretty much this in a nutshell.

Can we say for sure that Psyche is mafia? His first post was stupid, but it would be a stupid post no matter if he was a townie or a mafia.

Can you please explain if you felt this way why you voted for him in the first place?
Then when you explain that please explain below:

Horrendous logic. Psyche is a nailed-on Mafia.

Pretty easy day 1.

What about the logic was horrendous, when you stated you found the post stupid to begin with?

vote: FatCat

[farside22]

I thought Junpei's first post was absolutely fine, I have no idea what on earth you find so suspicious about it, your overreaction to such a simple post is bizarre.

I was not being a sheep, or trying to "buddy" you, I simply found Psyche's initial post very suspect, and I don't particularly believe the reaction gauging line he's claiming. If he is a townie, trying to reaction gauge with a very suspicious first post, then coming out and saying the person who accused him of being suspicious is a possible mafia, is a line that makes literally zero sense.

DLG, I find your overreaction to Junpei's first post, and how easily Psyche won you over with poor logic, all to be quite bizarre.

So your saying that you found him scummy, then call him stupid, then saying the post is horrendous and the only reason you have is because you don't believe he was reaction gauging.
Now we have it as he OMGUS a person with a reason but you saw it making no sense.
Did you even read his reasoning there? Did you disagree with his reasoning, if so why?
Then explain why it was bizaree in more words.

[farside22]

By the way I found Junpei's first post was horrible, if you read the quote-palozza I put in there.
1) Junpei is no newbie. If I was a betting person I'm sure this is not the first game he saw someone do a gambit to make conversation.
2) The questions he ask were pretty bland and stupid. It's like asking question to just ask them when you already know an answer.

His second post pretty much is nothing exciting there either.

@Junpei: Have you ever seen a player post reaction post before?

I think I have explained in enough words, thank you very much.

No you haven't.

[farside22]

And I lost FC where he doesn't answer any of my questions I asked in post #28.
Man if I caught scum this early I want a prize.

[farside22]

@Junpei: What about the post where FC called the post from Psyche stupid and null? What did you think about FC's reason's for not believing the reaction gauging?

[farside22]

The post above really makes me enjoy my vote more.
Still dodges questions asked and doesn't answer them, then makes slapstick remarks that is untrue and shorted to make people look worse then they are and finally we have OMGUS to top if off.

[farside22]

Hm.

FatCat: Why did you call Psyche's stupidity in his first post null? No more dodging the question, and your dialogue is heavily bias and isn't worth anything.

I'd vote you but then you'd be at L-1.

Farside: As for FatCat's suspicion of Psyche's reasoning on the reaction test, I see his point of view and don't view that in particular as suspicious. If you read Psyche's post, you can see the perspectives which might view it as a response which he knew he'd have to give and wasn't too worried about and one which is seriously backtracking.

Still can't find the sheeping claim.

Maybe it's seeing too much gambiting lately, but I saw more of the first and none of the second from his post.
Can you explain how it's seriously backtracking from someone who see too much gambiting?

[farside22]

@FC: Have you played mafia before anywhere or here that is complete? How many stupid scum have you seen before in a game? If any game please link them.

[farside22]

Also before I forget thank you to Junpei, I can't say I really see it that way but the underlining makes it a bit more understandable.

unvote

I'm still not a fan of FC's lack of explaining himself well. some of the things he says is like buzz words. Like calling a person bizarre really doesn't explain much to me or saying that DLG is overreacting without a good explanation. I really dislike when people dodge questions that ask for more reasoning. It shouldn't be difficult to put into words something you see and why it bothers you or comes off scummy.

Farside: Why did you want to see the interpretation of Psyche's post? For fun? Also I keep typing your name in as "farcry", so if I accidentally do that in the future, no hard feelings.

No, I just didn't see the backtracking you were referring to.
Not a fan of the new nickname tbh.

[farside22]

lolgic

DLG: How is this slot I quoted null-town when Deltabacon is scum for avoiding game content by posting but not posting anything which could be read as any alignment? That's exactly what Ellibereth did here.

On reread a bit I would like an answer from DLG as well on this question.

[farside22]

I replied saying, "can we be sure Psyche's mafia, it would be a stupid post from mafia and a town". I never said it's "null", I think it's more heavily weighted towards mafia, I think anything that seems suspicious or illogical, is always more weighted towards mafia.

Alright FC. Can you explain the difference to me between town being illogical and scum that is illogical? Why is Psyche's post more weighed toward scum in your view?

[farside22]

It's just my rather simplistic view of the game. Townies use logic to get the bad guys, it's like solving a puzzle, voting patterns and lines of argument reveal all. Mafia use deceit, lies, and inventive thinking to throw them off the scent, but slip up when their arguments and votes become illogical and it's clear to the town that a townie would never vote, argue or think that way the baddie is posting.

So have never seen players gambit or kick start a game to see what comes from it before?

Junpei's questioning of both Psyche and Fatcat looks like he's asking superficial questions at best, when everyone else is making reasonable probes and assertions to differing extents. I dont like it.

Which questions came off as superficial and why?

Both of which serve to appeal to Psyche's ego, which looks to me like a textbook definition of buddying, since you then dismiss it as saying he was 'just scumhunting'. How do you manage do go from looking at him as outright scum (and searching for a speedlynch, no less) to looking at him as Pro-Town?

mmmmm I question the first part of this appeal to ego comment.

With a third of the players yet to post anything of substance, a bandwagon like the one he tried to get rolling on FC would be ideal if it went through, since it would leave 3 Unknowns for scum to hide in tommorow. You claim Ellibereth to be nearly town for not jumping on the easy wagon, when thats basically what you tried to kick-start on Page One.

How is not allowing a third of the player to post ideal for scum? If you think DLG is scum and 3 unknows for scum to hide in are you saying you believe those 3 to have scum in it along with DLG?

DLG: How is this slot I quoted null-town when Deltabacon is scum for avoiding game content by posting but not posting anything which could be read as any alignment? That's exactly what Ellibereth did here.

The answer seems self-evident, if you don't change what I said.

Ellibereth - null but on the Town side for not jumping the easy Psyche wagon
.....
Deltabacon - Scum for avoiding game content, but being willing to answer an out of game question directed at him

Ellibereth's post was in response to game content. He didn't jump on the Psyche wagon which would be pretty easy for scum to do in those circumstances (see FatCat). Note that Ellibereth's post and FatCat's vote both came before my Post #12. This is important in regards to the sheeping accusation against FatCat.

Deltabacon, however, answered a non-game related question, but specifically did not say anything game related.

I don't see how one post that is one word is null while a person who does RVS and answers a question is scummy. All that happened was Psyce's comment before this. You didn't ask anything from Delta and he didn't say anything about Psyc's comment, which maybe he thought was a joke. What else was there to really say as the #6 post in the game?

Couple that with

Well sir, you were won over quite easily.

This in response to me jumping off Psyche after Psyche came back swinging. It reads to me like FatCat was disappointed he no longer had me driving and rallying the Psyche wagon (Post #12) to shield his own involvement.

That's a stretch of imagination you have there.

[farside22]

@FC: Will you be answering question I ask you or will you ignore me till I vote you to answer my question?



Impressions:

DLG: moments I think town and moments I go whaaaaatttt. I don't like the few moments where I felt he followed me (FC vote) or the congrates post (seeing his comment as a scretch). Not liking Deltabacon more or his vote or his comment leads me off the wagon.
FC: Issues with answering questions. In fighting like crazy. Eager (this is a plus by the way). I'm seeing newb but still hate, hate, hate when people don't answer questions.
Junpei: The sane one in the group. Mostly feeling town here.
Psyc: Did gambit, read like a crazy man to me trying to get discussion doing. Usually gambits read of town, but too much witnessing of gambits from others lately that were scum and I put him into null till he says more.
Elli: A bit fat load of nothing.
Deltabacon: Out of all the chatting around here gives me the biggest scum read thus far.

This:

Junpei's questioning of both Psyche and Fatcat looks like he's asking superficial questions at best

makes no sense.
and this:

With a third of the players yet to post anything of substance, a bandwagon like the one he tried to get rolling on FC would be ideal if it went through, since it would leave 3 Unknowns for scum to hide in tommorow. You claim Ellibereth to be nearly town for not jumping on the easy wagon, when thats basically what you tried to kick-start on Page One.

is fearmongering and illogical attack if I ever read one.

First no one is going to vote someone just because a person ask
Second no one is going to lynch a person on page fucking 2 without a good reason and not just because someone asked

vote: Deltabacon

Iknal and Robbnva: Who????

Mod can you please prod Iknal and Robbnva

Not officially, but I'll give them a poke. ~Amrun

[farside22]

@FC: This was the last question I asked you:

So have never seen players gambit or kick start a game to see what comes from it before?

The last questions I asked you were about Psyche, but you got snarky and since then Junpei answered questions from me you could use.

[farside22]

I would love for at least 1 page (I think that's not asking a lot) for FC and DGL to talk about something else besides each other.

@FatCat

who else is on your scum list?


@Slaxx:

I'm still waiting on someone to explain junpei to me, multiple people have said it but 1. Im not getting those vibes and 2. I havent seen anything specific.

How about you tell me exactly what is scummy about Junpei there? And no, saying he is someone doesn't think like you or vibe is not enough for me.

[farside22]

So anyway, Farside, now that I laid that out on the table, would you care to explain why being sane is suddenly a towntell?

Usually when I see infighting in a game, scum is there to add fuel to the fire of the argument more. Plus when I asked questions and probed Junpei on a reason for something I didn't get a nothing answer, I got something outlined and reasoned with.

I may read Junpei in iso a bit to see if I'm going crazy.

@Junpie:

1) On review this looks like he wants us to look at his games to show he's playing like his town meta. My point is that bringing up his previous games here seems out of place.

Why do you think that DGL was only talking about his town games in the quote on post 102 you put in there?

2) You once again offer to go into a back and forth, deflecting FatCat's point.

What do you mean here?

[farside22]

So could you give me a reads list with a short of explanation of each?

Also if they're null or w/e, don't give a reason. I'm more interested to see if you have any town reads mainly

PEDIT: This is addressed to Junpei and not ninja master farside

*Go, go invisible powers of annoyance*

[farside22]

@Junpei: This is what DGL stated:

DLG wrote:@ FatCat
If you're interested, read some of my other games. It might change your opinion regarding my capacity for logic.

Would you like me to respond to that earlier interchange between us?

Where in this quote do you see him saying that you can read my town games only? He didn't specify town games. He said games (as general).

[farside22]

@Junpei:
You stated in your first point against DGL this:

1) On review this looks like he wants us to look at his games to show he's playing like his town meta. My point is that bringing up his previous games here seems out of place.

Then again here.

Farside: Well if he's doing what I speculated (DLG trying to use meta to show he's town) then he would want us to look at both town and scum games. Not sure why we have to only look at town games to see he's playing like his town meta specifically. Reread what I said.
.

You are pushing the idea that DLG was only talking about meta for town games. He didn't say town games.

[farside22]

Vote: Delta

BAM

So why the vote on Delta, are you even going to give your thoughts on anything in the game?

[farside22]

Vote: Delta

BAM

So why the vote on Delta, are you even going to give your thoughts on anything in the game?

farrrrrrrry
you should know how I operate
blehblah


p.s.
I'm SERIOUS about massclaim request.

unvote

Usually when you throw a vote you have a reason for them. Not just to troll a game.

[farside22]

Delta's posts read more like the use of thought to build a case that fits a predefined conclusion.

Huh? Explain how you see this because I don't see it.

I saw the same thing soooooo...

Give me reasons for and against voting Delta.

He looks like an innocent in my eyes.

WHO ELSE BESIDE DGL DO YOU THINK IS SCUM?

I swear to God you keep ignoring my fucking questions on purpose.

[farside22]

@Jun: Do you think there is anything town about Delta? If so what and why?

[farside22]

@Delta: Your statement was that you thought Jun's quetions were superfically were directed questions asked to FC and DLG. I'm asking you which questions those were.
Also Psych put more reasoning then your stating in your post 162.

Okay, so to clarify, im explaining my questioning against junpei, and defending myself.

- i dont have a scunread o you, but I think this is you being lazy town, Psyche.

Ellibereth, on the other hand, has essentially lurked all game, and their only comment has been to suggest a massclaim based on an appeal to probability. Putting me at L-1 without even contributing to thr case people have built on me? I honestly dont see how more people do not see you as scummy. Im at L-1, so if people want to have a claim, ill claim. Ill be active for the next few hours in any case.

Now we have pot this is kettle in calling out Elli for lurking and saying not much of anything.
And no vote on Elli either.

Fun, fun, I'm happy with this lynch/vote.

[farside22]

@Jun: Use points on everything that you believe makes DLG scummy in your view.

[farside22]

hi,

I breezed through some of this game, I have to run.

Claim: VT
I recall Armun wanted to confirm by revising the role PM.
I said something like a useless player that only has a vote.

unvote:
vote: FC

Explanation will have to wait till later.

[farside22]

I know that I'm probably gonna go down soon, and to be honest I'm not overly disappointed. I feel I probably can't contribute much more, but also feel my life and death certainly won't be in vein.

I think Farside is guilty. She's jumped on my back twice now, and seems to want to hate me that bit too much.

I also think DLG really has to go too, I could be wrong about this read, but think he should have bit the bullet a couple of pages ago.

Listen to this dying mans words!

OMGUS, OMGUS, OMGUS

Now that said, my vote on FC is because I have asked him to explain other scum reads beside DLG, he didn't. Then jumps on Jun for weak, weak reasoning. Finally and worse he is getting defensive about someone that is scum hunting. Seriously.

Lynch please.

[farside22]

Lets look at the multiple inconsistencies that is FC:

Cos I felt like shaking shit up yo!

Says last he was trying to shake things up, however he kept insisting prior that he was not reaction hunting.

I "reaction gauging" lololol

So then explain this post?

It was a joke broski.

He claims he was joking. Shaking things up is a form of gauging reactions last I checked.

Then we have the votes and back and forth on who is scum with little to OMGUS reasoning:

OK let me rephrase. I KNEW I was incorrect about what exactly vanilla meant, I just wanted to know in what way I was incorrect.

One things for sure though, you're doing the right thing voting DLG.

Vote for DLG is good.

Now I think about it more, what a slip! WHAT A SLIP!!

Good game Junpei

VOTE: Junpei

OMGUS Junpei

Not too sure how many votes I have, but know I'm bordering on trouble.

Has anyone ever put any heat on Fatside? She seems to be getting a bit of a free pass, it's the second time she's jumped on my back when I've came under fire. Either possible mafia or someone with a serious chip on her shoulder.
.

Pointing finger at a person for no reason. Seems to "forget" I was the first to point out issues with him early in the game and question him that he did not answer repeatedly. Somehow that is not scum hunting for him?

Yo elli.

I'm town 2. Very good chance that DLG and Farside are the 2 mafia.

Something he never stated before till I voted him.

I know that I'm probably gonna go down soon, and to be honest I'm not overly disappointed. I feel I probably can't contribute much more, but also feel my life and death certainly won't be in vein.

I think Farside is guilty. She's jumped on my back twice now, and seems to want to hate me that bit too much.

I also think DLG really has to go too, I could be wrong about this read, but think he should have bit the bullet a couple of pages ago.

Listen to this dying mans words!

OMGUS how dare you vote me again.

[farside22]

I had something typed about farside's case...but I may as well let FatCat have his say.

I'm a bit confused about this game. Everything is too ambiguous.

Am I ambiguous?
I always think I'm straight and to the point.

The main point I had with FC was how he goes back and forth when claiming about whether it was reactionary or not. Then starts the OMGUS when cornered and questioned by Jun. Then switches to me when I vote for him. Basically reads as scared scum, flailing at this point.

[farside22]

Oh Farside, you jinxed it by saying flailing

Psyche knows what Im talking about

Flailing is a bad word now?

Nah I'm sure there is an inside joke I'm unaware of. :shrug:

[farside22]

Haha! Found it, and thus scum.

Her most recent evaluation of the OMGUS tell...

I have come to learn that OMGUS is a null tell.

Hitchhiker's Mafia, late 2011, farside was town

The rest of her posts up to the ones in this thread, though they refer to OMGUS with reasonable degree of distaste, do not even attempt to use OMGUS accusations as a significant selling point for a lynch.

So while it's possible that farside has changed her belief about OMGUS since this post, I doubt it. I find it more likely that farside's just trying to get an easy target lynched.

vote farside

WAGON A GO GO.

I was pointing out the number of post that was OMGUS coming from him and things he never stated before.
I also pointed out the number of questions he still ignores, which is a scum tell.
His behavior is not VI
He is rude, not VI
He ignores people, not a VI
He tunnels, not a VI
He panics under the slightest pressure, not a VI

Which post is VI from him?

Also he states caution about accusing anyone else here:

Give me reasons for and against voting Delta.

He looks like an innocent in my eyes.

WHO ELSE BESIDE DGL DO YOU THINK IS SCUM?

I swear to God you keep ignoring my fucking questions on purpose.

Young lady, I would appreciate you not taking that tone with me.

It's 75%+ that DGL is a mafia, anyone with a brain in their head can see that.

Therefore, I'm being very careful before pointing my figure at anyone else.

That is not town thought process, that sir is fear of making waves.

[farside22]

And that fits with my findings bout flailing accusations — they're favorite buzzword accusations that scum disproportionately use to get players lynched.

I'm confident of it. Farside definitely IS opportunistic scum pushing a mislynch. The indicators are there. They are veiled by farside's experience, but we have successfully unearthed them.

One "buzz" word makes me scum? Seriously I don't even have time to read the mafia thread much these days. Flailing is the best term I ever heard when you see people who attack others with little regard to actual content, reads in the game and out and out OMGUS.

Most of my issue still was from earlier in the game, I just don't like repeating myself over and over.

[farside22]

lol "pointing my figure"

Are you going to tell me what gives you the VI impression?

[farside22]

(I voted farside because she doesn't really think OMGUSes are scumtells.)

Looked into just now and here's the best way I can put Psyches' point:

The post above really makes me enjoy my vote more.
Still dodges questions asked and doesn't answer them, then makes slapstick remarks that is untrue and shorted to make people look worse then they are and finally we have OMGUS to top if off.

My points here was not all about OMGUS. Nice misrep. It's only a small part of a big case.

The main point I had with FC was how he goes back and forth when claiming about whether it was reactionary or not. Then starts the OMGUS when cornered and questioned by Jun. Then switches to me when I vote for him. Basically reads as scared scum, flailing at this point.

These are the two posts where I think Farside quite clearly implies that OMGUS is a scumtell.

vote Farside22

Farside: Is OMGUS a scumtell?

It is when someone attacks a person like this. He even now is using Psyche commentary about being a VI in his favor in his last vote.

Seriously he jumped at the chance to paint himself a newb idiot and you people just stopped and didn't see it amazes me.

Lynch me, I flip town, Lynch FC for one scum down.

unvote:
vote: Farside

[farside22]

By the way I stated the above in the post and put it in the quote incorrectly

{My points here was not all about OMGUS. Nice misrep. It's only a small part of a big case.}

[farside22]

Oh and Junpei is probably FC's scum buddy. I will call that for my day 1 scum suspects.

[farside22]

This is the post I'm referring to that he never claimed before and used the newbie excuse and using the VI excuse.
None of which he stated any issues or thoughts about for himself and when I asked about playing previously elsewhere he admitted to playing online in another game.

Rolling like a big shot. Excellent analyze.

Fatside, your defensiveness is making you look more and more guilty. Can you not admit that my play has been very idiotic on the whole? Can you not say there's a chance I'm just a dumb newbie? You don't even entertain the fact that it's possible I'm just a VI and you say with 100% certainty that I am scum, scum, scum... Most suspicious young lady! How can you be so sure?

I think the fact your keep chastising me for OMGUSs, and it's been revealed you actually find OMGUSs a nulltell when you're a townie is damning.

Most peculiar. I may be the village idiot, but at least I'm going to be on the side which sees your butt behind bars!

UNVOTE: Unvote.
VOTE: Farside22

but you are more then welcome to lynch me and just remember this for tomorrow.

[farside22]

{My points here was not all about OMGUS. Nice misrep. It's only a small part of a big case.}

It's the fact that OMGUS plays any part in the reasons that he is scummy that rings huge alarm bells.

Is OMGUS scummy?

With OMGUS,
I find it happens with everyone but depends on the timing. People lash out as town and scum.
However each time someone pushed FC a little he votes for them and then latches onto anything he can at this point to save himself. That means that yes OMGUS is part of a scum tell even when it's done by both parts.

By the way I stated the above in the post and put it in the quote incorrectly

{My points here was not all about OMGUS. Nice misrep. It's only a small part of a big case.}

It was emphasized. The fact that it was one of many points doesn't counter the fact that you indicated that OMGUS was a reason for voting FatCat, even though you actually don't hold the view that OMGUS is a scumtell.

Your recent self-vote seems a bit overblown for someone who merely had 3 votes and hasn't really been put to the burner very much compared to other players...

I would be #4 on the wagon, I just figured someone would hammer, I would flip town when I woke and people would see my post pointing out FC's flaws of character for Day 2.
Since it's not happening at this moment.

unvote:
Vote: FC

I'd be inclined to trust in farside's point if she hadnt self-voted, thats just skewed everything, because any town-read I had on her went out the building the instant she voted for the lynching of what she percieves to be a townie - herself. Maybe I'm using the wiki too much, but that's really anti-town play.

See above, see general discussion about moving. Time is not a luxury I have these days I would rather get my point across then argue these days. If no one believes me I just shrug my shoulders, go here is evidence remember when I'm dead and be done with it. My mind all your losing is a VT who will start getting busier and busier as weeks go on.

[farside22]

Farcry, how can you be so sure I'm a mafia? Even if you think you have great reads, it's still a guessing game and you could be wrong.

I'm worried that you'll be lynched, and turn out to be a town, and then I'll be the second townie lynched.

That thought in reverse hasn't even crossed your mind... Your just a constant barrage of hate towards me. It's very suspicious, and makes me feel you don't have the towns best interests at heart.

It's not guessing when I have placed multiple reasons throughout the game:

The post above really makes me enjoy my vote more.
Still dodges questions asked and doesn't answer them, then makes slapstick remarks that is untrue and shorted to make people look worse then they are and finally we have OMGUS to top if off.

Also before I forget thank you to Junpei, I can't say I really see it that way but the underlining makes it a bit more understandable.

unvote

I'm still not a fan of FC's lack of explaining himself well. some of the things he says is like buzz words. Like calling a person bizarre really doesn't explain much to me or saying that DLG is overreacting without a good explanation. I really dislike when people dodge questions that ask for more reasoning. It shouldn't be difficult to put into words something you see and why it bothers you or comes off scummy.

Farside: Why did you want to see the interpretation of Psyche's post? For fun? Also I keep typing your name in as "farcry", so if I accidentally do that in the future, no hard feelings.

No, I just didn't see the backtracking you were referring to.
Not a fan of the new nickname tbh.

It's just my rather simplistic view of the game. Townies use logic to get the bad guys, it's like solving a puzzle, voting patterns and lines of argument reveal all. Mafia use deceit, lies, and inventive thinking to throw them off the scent, but slip up when their arguments and votes become illogical and it's clear to the town that a townie would never vote, argue or think that way the baddie is posting.

So have never seen players gambit or kick start a game to see what comes from it before?

Junpei's questioning of both Psyche and Fatcat looks like he's asking superficial questions at best, when everyone else is making reasonable probes and assertions to differing extents. I dont like it.

Which questions came off as superficial and why?

Both of which serve to appeal to Psyche's ego, which looks to me like a textbook definition of buddying, since you then dismiss it as saying he was 'just scumhunting'. How do you manage do go from looking at him as outright scum (and searching for a speedlynch, no less) to looking at him as Pro-Town?

mmmmm I question the first part of this appeal to ego comment.

With a third of the players yet to post anything of substance, a bandwagon like the one he tried to get rolling on FC would be ideal if it went through, since it would leave 3 Unknowns for scum to hide in tommorow. You claim Ellibereth to be nearly town for not jumping on the easy wagon, when thats basically what you tried to kick-start on Page One.

How is not allowing a third of the player to post ideal for scum? If you think DLG is scum and 3 unknows for scum to hide in are you saying you believe those 3 to have scum in it along with DLG?

DLG: How is this slot I quoted null-town when Deltabacon is scum for avoiding game content by posting but not posting anything which could be read as any alignment? That's exactly what Ellibereth did here.

The answer seems self-evident, if you don't change what I said.

Ellibereth - null but on the Town side for not jumping the easy Psyche wagon
.....
Deltabacon - Scum for avoiding game content, but being willing to answer an out of game question directed at him

Ellibereth's post was in response to game content. He didn't jump on the Psyche wagon which would be pretty easy for scum to do in those circumstances (see FatCat). Note that Ellibereth's post and FatCat's vote both came before my Post #12. This is important in regards to the sheeping accusation against FatCat.

Deltabacon, however, answered a non-game related question, but specifically did not say anything game related.

I don't see how one post that is one word is null while a person who does RVS and answers a question is scummy. All that happened was Psyce's comment before this. You didn't ask anything from Delta and he didn't say anything about Psyc's comment, which maybe he thought was a joke. What else was there to really say as the #6 post in the game?

Couple that with

Well sir, you were won over quite easily.

This in response to me jumping off Psyche after Psyche came back swinging. It reads to me like FatCat was disappointed he no longer had me driving and rallying the Psyche wagon (Post #12) to shield his own involvement.

That's a stretch of imagination you have there.

I know that I'm probably gonna go down soon, and to be honest I'm not overly disappointed. I feel I probably can't contribute much more, but also feel my life and death certainly won't be in vein.

I think Farside is guilty. She's jumped on my back twice now, and seems to want to hate me that bit too much.

I also think DLG really has to go too, I could be wrong about this read, but think he should have bit the bullet a couple of pages ago.

Listen to this dying mans words!

OMGUS, OMGUS, OMGUS

Now that said, my vote on FC is because I have asked him to explain other scum reads beside DLG, he didn't. Then jumps on Jun for weak, weak reasoning. Finally and worse he is getting defensive about someone that is scum hunting. Seriously.

Lynch please.

All of which got ignored and people focused only on the OMGUS.
You are not a newbie as you stated yourself and I have never in all my years playing mafia ever seen anyone town accept being called a VI without getting indignation or pissy, especially someone who stated they played elsewhere.

[farside22]

Farcry, how can you be so sure I'm a mafia? Even if you think you have great reads, it's still a guessing game and you could be wrong.

I'm worried that you'll be lynched, and turn out to be a town, and then I'll be the second townie lynched.

That thought in reverse hasn't even crossed your mind... Your just a constant barrage of hate towards me. It's very suspicious, and

makes me feel you don't have the towns best interests at heart

.

The last part reads that you don't think I'm scum. WFT?

[farside22]

I think there's a good % chance you're scum.

because????

[farside22]

It's not guessing when I have placed multiple reasons throughout the game:

You really missed the point here.

Farside: Why is OMGUS a null tell?

Is there any reason your asking me a question I already answered in post 316?

With OMGUS,
I find it happens with everyone but depends on the timing.

[farside22]

I appologize for the OMG my eyes are bleeding post below. I'm going to use spoiler tab the best I can so no one knows how bad it is till they hit the spoiler.
This is to show why I see a FC/Jun scum team.

Jun's defense/support of FC against DGL

Spoiler:

1) I read salient as silent

2) Your opening post on review is contradictory. The action you describe as salient is actually prominent in the way that is commonly thought of.

3) Very good point with DLG's thinking that you're hiding when you had already made several posts, seems like sheeping onto an easy vote

4) In post 21, I see no issue other than the tone sounds fake to me.

That combined with my aforementioned issue with DLG's read list...

vote DLG

What I do want though is for you to refer to DLG as DGB... I'm getting mixed up and it's unproductive and not efficient to change the names.

pedit: Psyche: Why did you unvote?

His point on DG is (1) talking about tone and post sounds fake, without explaining why or how. He talks about the sheeping vote from DLG but early DLG mentioned FC's vote as sheeping and Jun defended it.

DLG: Inconsistent reads are indicative of a faulty line of thought. Somewhere, you consciously wrote something which was contradictory and did not correct it. Mafia would do this because their reasons aren't through investigation of the situation (which would cause context making the error clear) but rather trying to find someone to suspect (thus attacking people for inconsistent reasons).

Explain why you wanted the back and forth to end yet attacked FatCat for agreeing with you.

Slaxx: You have not explained why you are voting me. No scum reads yet? Why did you think DLG was scum?

Psyche:

pedit: Psyche: Why did you unvote?

My issue with the Farside thing is that you're assuming a line of thought instead of hearing it. My questions let me hear it, so to speak.

Along with this comment is hypocritical after his own statement about DGL and tone.

Showing wrong reasoning and misinterpretation of DGL's post comment. Stating that all DLG wanted was to look at his town meta, but asking to look at meta means looking at town and scum to verify if his reactions are normal.

Spoiler:

Farside: Well if he's doing what I speculated (DLG trying to use meta to show he's town) then he would want us to look at both town and scum games. Not sure why we have to only look at town games to see he's playing like his town meta specifically. Reread what I said.

FatCats' point here is that DLG is trying to attack FatCat of killing the conversation as scum when DLG also wanted to kill the conversation.

The very next post is DLG responding to a few things, but only two lines go to Fatcat, and the only thing even close to FatCat's point (which was very good) was scathing it, rather than addressing it.

I'm not working hard to support FatCat, I just call things how I see them. I even just checked, and I have investigated FatCat too. FatCat insulted you, and you responded with saying "if you're interested, read some of my other games". I've seen a million of those types of insults (attacking someones' thinking/logic ability) in my time here, and I can't remember people responding offering out games for meta.

130 is acting like you felt FatCat was just making an honest mistaken interpretation, but I read your initial response and the tone reads that you're making a snide remark in response to an insult.

Also I'm saying you may have been trying to get us to look at previous games because you were consciously acting like your town meta.

Ellibereth: Please contribute or replace out. What is your read on DLG and why?

In the next few post you see Jun talking about suspicion for FC but not once does he ever vote for him and even gives him a out for his slip

Spoiler:

Therefore, I'm being very careful before pointing my figure at anyone else.

That's stupid - if you were to die wouldn't you want your reads heard? Town should want nothing to not come to light in regards to who is and isn't scum. I get wanting DLG lynched way over anyone else, but you show active suspicion of multiple people and still primarily push to and get a specific suspect lynched.

Ugh.. Fatcat...

..

Are you serious right now? There's two things wrong with your posting here, but for now I'll just say that it's not too hard to understand, considering people were setup speculating about PRs and you said nothing.

I "reaction gauging" lololol

Thank you.

VOTE: FatCat

Explain this vote - why FatCat over DLG?

It wasn't a reaction test, I was being sarcastic.

You were being sarcastic. You thus knew that what you were saying was ridiculous.

I obviously knew I

may

have been incorrect about what exactly Vanilla game is, I really just wanted confirmation

You wanted confirmation. You thus did not know if what you were saying was ridiculous or not.

It's tough not to vote you right now, but DLG goes first, he's got lots of support, we can work from there.

DLG:

1. You won't change my opinion on this - I think you had ample reason to unvote Psyche, I just think that you failed to do it naturally.

2. Uh... I forgot about that explanation... I can accept it.

3. You said:

Which means he doesn't want to slip up, and he doesn't want to be involved in making that something scummy happen. Self preserving and not wanting to scumhunt.

If he didn't want to slip up, he wouldn't be posting, if he didn't want to get involved in anything (everything can make something scummy happen, e.g. rvs) he wouldn't be posting. Sounds like you only paid attention to his first post.

4.

I think maybe you're more of a right brained person, you seem to go on emotions and your logic is deeply, deeply flawed.

Here's the insult. No where does he say you are scum because you are right brained, he just says that you must be right brained because your logic is deeply deeply flawed.

4/2. Okay - Why was it a good idea to disengage, and why was that reason no longer applicable when you reengaged, and is it scummy to disengage?

5. You forgot the last part, but I included it in 4/2.

FatCat:
What happened to your confidence in DLg/Junpei scum?

Where am I?

Did you forget who you're voting for?

In all that he points out issues and discrepancies with FC and not a vote cast.
Finally we have oh look let me vote for a weak meta reason after pushing for the multiple reasons why DGL was scummy and pointing out the discrepancies from FC

Spoiler:

Looked into just now and here's the best way I can put Psyches' point:

The post above really makes me enjoy my vote more.
Still dodges questions asked and doesn't answer them, then makes slapstick remarks that is untrue and shorted to make people look worse then they are and finally we have OMGUS to top if off.

The main point I had with FC was how he goes back and forth when claiming about whether it was reactionary or not. Then starts the OMGUS when cornered and questioned by Jun. Then switches to me when I vote for him. Basically reads as scared scum, flailing at this point.

These are the two posts where I think Farside quite clearly implies that OMGUS is a scumtell.

vote Farside22

Farside: Is OMGUS a scumtell?

[farside22]

Wow so much wrong with that post Farside..

@My "defense of FatCat and DLG": I was just pulling for stances on everything, and you hand picked ones which were in their favor. Why not highlight the posts AGAINST those two?

"town meta argument": I fully explained myself on this - you need to look at both town and scum games into order to see that they're playing to a meta.

"Showing suspicion of FatCAt but not voting him": Uh, I had a scumread on DLG that whole time and was still arguing with him over it. FatCat wasn't my highest scumread - I can't vote all of them.

"OMG he votes me!": That argument was and is very compelling - and if you were paying attention then you'd know why my suspicion of DLG went down a little. It's not a weak argument, it's a strong argument.

Also you didn't explicitly answer: 'OMGUS is null because..' I want you to admit that it is a null tell so that we can line it up next to why it's a scum tell.

1) why don't you quote the ones that you accuse FC or take his side then?
2) It is flawed and you made the statement twice, which again is false statement and a misrep
3) So you went with I have all these reasons for thinking DGL scum, found one thing that is meta against me and voted for me. What is the difference with FC and how is DGL no longer your "highest scum read" now?
4) So again all you focus on my long post is the OMGUS. Is there a reason you completely ignored all the rest of my points against FC?
5) How is my everyone OMGUS not answer to how it's a null tell? If everyone does OMGUS that means town and scum both do it.

Using weak reasoning for OMGUS and not making a case on someone is classic deflect of scum. Tell me how it's town in your view?

[farside22]

Also in regards to

"OMG he votes me!": That argument was and is very compelling - and if you were paying attention then you'd know why my suspicion of DLG went down a little. It's not a weak argument, it's a strong argument.

Are you saying you didn't show the contraction of post with FC in those links you posted against FC late game?

[farside22]

1) I can't comprehend what you just said.

2) Nope, but feel free to believe whatever.

3) How about you read the game first, because you'll probably figure out your answer.

4) The OMGUS part is the massive contradiction which condemns you. Just because you have other points doesn't make it less immensely suspicious.

5) I've probed this topic with you and I still don't understand how the doublethink is possible, I was hoping you'd be able to clarify how it was, but it sounds like you got caught.

#329: I don't understand this statement either.

1) Quote where you attacked FC and not defended him during the DGL discussion
2) I do, Thanks!
3) I did read the game. I quoted your reason's for the vote on me. Apparently you just don't have an answer what makes me scummier then DGL or the contractions you spoted from FC other then meta
4) Focus on a small part and ignores everything else in game is noted
5) So you dodge the question and don't explain how my answer is sufficient.

In short chose not to answer any questions I asked and gave weak reason's for keeping a vote on me = satisfaction with my results of you being scum with FC.

[farside22]

@Jun:
I noticed in a game that is over you put comments of things you see is a null tell:

Every detail is important. As for why I did not notice it before, it is because I am the greatest mafia player ever, and I strategically wait to notice things until the right time. Here are the facts:

Breadcrumbing is null tell
Giving up is null tell
Fighting is null tell.

What is a null tell in your mind if not something you have seen scum and town both do?

[farside22]

@Jun:

5) I said the same thing about what makes OMGUS a null tell. Town and scum both OMGUS a player. How is that not a good enough answer.

*muter to self I can't believe I have to go though all those links*
First link all you state is

Yes, FatCat insulted you (I find it hard to believe that you noticed this insult and not the other insult about logic) and yes he said he didn't answer questions (but he said why: they were repetitive/waffling(?)).

I just don't understand what you hoped to achieve at 77 that you couldn't achieve at 65.

How is that suspicious and not defense of FC?
The second link down the list is you calling FC stupid, again how is that anything more then you not stating suspicion on him, especially when you accuse him of not having a town mind set
The 3rd one is you explaining the difference in game set ups.

Seriously I stopped at this point because I asked you where you stated any suspicion on FC and not defended him in some way, shape or form.

3) Is there a reason you keep dodging that you accused DGL of multiple issues and kept hammering about him, then voted me on one meta argument and called it scummy? Or why you dodged my comment about finding DGL scummier then FC with all those points but still voted me on one thing that apparently you found scummier then everything you mentioned about the 2 people in question.
In other words your whole big case on DGL you stated was scummier then everything for FC but my one black mark makes me scummier then DGL? Explain why my one black mark makes me scummier then both points you made against FC and DGL.

4) see point 3 and why how you made on mark a bigger deal then you made anything FC stated. Then explain how contradictions from FC and deflection is scummier then a meta argument that is really null when it comes to me.

[farside22]

JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS:

THE ONLY REASON THAT JUN IS VOTING ME IS A META ARGUMENT.
THEN GO READ JUN'S REASONS FOR FINDING DGL SCUM AND HIS COMMENT ABOUT FC BEING SUSPICIOUS, BUT DGL WAS SCUMMIER WITH ALL HIS POINTS.

[farside22]

Farside has defended herself effectively. >.>
And I'll probably unvote if she can clear up one thing:

You indicated a number of months ago that you did not think OMGUS was a scumtell, but this game you were clearly yelling OMGUS over and over again with the clear rhetorical intent of making FatCat seem scummy.

I just don't understand this, except as an indication that you're more interested in using good rhetoric to get someone lynched as opposed to following what you think is scummy behavior.


Could you explain why this understanding is flawed, and why an alternative one is more plausible?

I've been playing at new site lately (because I can't play MS at work and I missed playing mafia at work). I have seen scum doing a lot more OMGUS lately from there. I don't think it's a one site thing, I believe when people start saying only town does X, then scum starts doing it too to look town. That is why it starts becoming null.
In this case with FC, all he did was get defensive when questioned by anyone. He didn't even defend himself against those accusations I stated. Once he see's a newbie defense being used, he latched onto it. Plus the last time I saw someone point to another person when they were put under pressure (especially someone they never found scummy) it was a scum player trying to do the whole, don't look at me, you should look at them deflection.

@Jun: Why are you relaying so heavily on a meta argument when you stated this in the mafia thread:

For that matter, what do you have against meta? It's a pretty vital part of the game; just because

some people

almost everyone doesn't know how to use it the right way, doesn't make it a bad thing.

It's not a vital part of the game; the only majorly important aspect is if the subject has a rational mind or not.

The bit at the end of your post about alts' is a great example of why meta is bad; the moment that you are conscious of your meta is the moment that it becomes useless to read you with it. If you don't respect someone enough to think that they know how they play as town, then go for the meta-tells, but they're widely useless, just like going "he's playing like he did when he was scum and not like he was town" is a terrible argument, because there are so many dozens of variables it's pointless to compare most traits between games.

Why do you keep dodging my questions about what makes me scummier then DGL or FC in this game when the only reason you voted me was meta?

[farside22]

Farside RE: FC:
His contradiction is scummy I agree - though it isn't really a full fledged contradiction, I see what you mean. You are also guilty of deflection - but yes that is suspicious to a degree. The thing is that the OMGUS point is a big deal in my opinion - and every attempt you have made to explain it has failed. It's not about quantity of issues, it's about quality of issues.

Yet you still have not stated what about my answer on why OMGUS is null is flawed or of issue.
You just keep saying that is not an answer. I asked how is saying that town and scum both do OMGUS = null is not a sufficient answer to you? I have not once received an answer.
Is there a reason you keep dodging my questions to you?

[farside22]

Sorry for the triple post, I just saw this and started laughing my ass off.

OMGUS and other buzzwords that are erroneous are easy tools for scum to use - but good town knows that they are bad and stays away from them. Farside is both scum, but a skilled enough town player, which is why we have the dissonance.

If good town players know to stay away from certain words, don't good scum player know the same?
Seriously. What the hell mind says I would know to stay away from the words as town, but would use them as scum?
That is just insane or stupid or scummy.

Yeah I'm going with FC/Jun scum team.

[farside22]

Farside, you may be scum, but you're not going town without a fight! You've really searched for the hero inside yourself.

Psyche, you're very indecisive, you vote Farside, she posts a load of old hat, and you just go "Oh yeah that's fine, unvote". Come on man! You gotta follow your heart.

^ Look scum scared of being lynched.
You just keeping pushing my mislynch. You have fun explaining tomorrow all those points I posted against you and your scum buddy when I flip town.

[farside22]

Farside, you may be scum, but you're not going town without a fight! You've really searched for the hero inside yourself.

Psyche, you're very indecisive, you vote Farside, she posts a load of old hat, and you just go "Oh yeah that's fine, unvote". Come on man! You gotta follow your heart.

^ Look scum scared of being lynched.
You just keeping pushing my mislynch. You have fun explaining tomorrow all those points I posted against you and your scum buddy when I flip town.

Farside, if I was mafia and you were town, I would KNOW you're town. Yet your post reads like I would be shocked out of my shoes if you flip town, and my identity as a mafia would be revealed. Makes very little sense, weird.

How does my post read as you being shocked at me flipping town?
It fun seeing you make shit up.

*eats popcorn*

[farside22]

Well, my studies suggest that scum DO disproportionately throw around buzzwords.

I'm not aware of a study. Usually some buzz words best explain things. A vote for someone with weak reasoning after being vote is OMGUS.
Using words like bizare, weird, scummy are words that say nothing about a why or how in my opinion. *shrug*

Site I have been going lately:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/forumdisplay.php?f=186
One game in there I remember Cyan Mafia, Tidle (scum) votes for Iso who accuses him of being scum.
There was a star trek game I was in where recall not only OMGUS for scum by the bussing of scum was something I was proud I caught.
Clue Mafia game was a debacle I played horribly. Oh and my name on that site is pinky_brains

[farside22]

Oh and Cyan game I voted for Arcadic who had voted for me. I was scum that game.
Good times.

[farside22]

uhhhh this is boring
I'm not really sure who I want to talk to yet.
Farside, sorry to FLASHBACK LATCHON, but can you link to pass self-votes and stuff?

And AGAIN since my last check
Ikky's been posting elsewhere

The last time I self voted I was modkilled in the game. It's been awhile and I don't remember the name of the game. I just remember replacing in the game and the modkill.

I looked at Iknal post per day. He doesn't look to be a heavy poster ikn post
Not really a tell unless you know he is posting more often as town then scum.

[farside22]

I might have self hammer as scum in a game......I don't do it often basically to really show or remember anything more the one game above and a possible hammer at some point.

[farside22]

Farside: Why didn't you mention this site earlier if it is the cause of your new viewpoint?

Tell you what. When you decide to tell me why a meta point was the scummiest thing you saw I don't see a need to answer your question.
How did my view point change at all. I still say it's null, just as i stated back here on MS? Null means scum does it too not just town.
Did you miss that memo?

FatCat is less scummy because the argument against you is a very condemning point to me; it's like a high percentage scumtell

How is it a scummy thing to you? How or where are you getting the high percentage of scumtell's from? Link?

Also I'm still waiting for how my answer to OMGUS = null didn't answer your question when both town and scum do.
That does mean that when someone uses OMGUS that scum do it too and can be part of a case, you do realize that right?

[farside22]

Farside: Why didn't you mention this site earlier if it is the cause of your new viewpoint?

DLG is less scummy because some of my

points on him have been nullified

FatCat is less scummy because the argument against you is a

very condemning point to

me; it's like a

high percentage scumtell[

I felt like bolding all the buzz words used here that says absolutely nothing at all.

*ticks off a list*
First bold doesn't explain what was nullifed or why
Second post talks about it being a condemning point without explaining why.
Third is fearmongering buzz about it being a proven theory somehow without a link or showing a status.

Fixed tag. - Amrun

[farside22]

Junpei: You took one post by Psyche and ran with it, any reason you didn't do the research to see other times I brought up OMGUS?
Example: Farrun That was my post in the hydra in that game where I call LL on her OMGUS vote on us (amrun was the other head in the account). I was town that game and she was scum.
So.......are you saying you believe, that one post that Psyche found and you didn't research? Or that his point was enough for you when I have called people at before on OMGUS?
So your rationale above is completely one sided without research, or.... you chose to take one example and run with it and not verify if I ever accused someone of OMGUS before.....or what?
Really please tell me your point there.

[farside22]

Null = scum and town equally are likely to do

Already said that, but there you go once more.

You said: X is not indicative of alignment
Then you said: X is a reason that FatCat is scum

So you ignored when I explained why FC is scum over town doing OMGUS for some reason?

You see the issue here? You didn't just say that FatCat did OMGUS, you implied that it was a reason he was scum. That it was a SCUM TELL.

And?

I'm done talking with you until you acknowledge my conversations with DLG because at the end, I concede several points - and the reason is in his defense.

Sure, I'll back and read, since your obviously not reading any of my post.

I just explained in this post for the nth time why what you did with OMGUS is 1) condemning and 2) a high percentage scum tell (two things which are very much the same thing). In my opinion it is a high percentage scum tell. I already explained why scum would do this and you said "well scum would know good town would do this", but that is erroneous because if scum acted like perfect town, then they would be unable to win. Sometimes scum have to do things that town should never do secretly in order to win.

1) is faulty and narrowminded
2) do you have proof somehow that there is a high percentage of scum that do this "tell" you keep saying only scum do? Right only scum do it right? Because your whole case is that I'm scum for doing something I do as town right now.

[farside22]

Here we go just for Junpei:

Spoiler:

It wasn't a reaction test, I was being sarcastic.

You were being sarcastic. You thus knew that what you were saying was ridiculous.

I obviously knew I

may

have been incorrect about what exactly Vanilla game is, I really just wanted confirmation

You wanted confirmation. You thus did not know if what you were saying was ridiculous or not.

It's tough not to vote you right now, but DLG goes first, he's got lots of support, we can work from there.

pressure on DLG still above.

Well I really want DLG to claim next, then I will go and after that I don't really care - it's just important to me that DLG claims next, just as it was at the cop claim.

Slaxx I hope that you don't always assume your early reads are correct and actually continue to scumhunt or townhunt or whatever all game.

Still not liking DGL

Bussing happens all the time, especially considering you are now completely off the DLG wagon and are stuck onto me.

Anyway like I said partner exclusions up tomorrow after my short shift at work, I'd prefer no one hammer before idk 5PM or so

When you write it all up, can you have reasons for each association/disassociation?

pedit: I need to reread DLG and all my arguments on him... He has actually done a good job defending himself, but I want to make sure he isn't doing what Whiskers did to me one game and slowly shift the interrogation off. Also need to make sure if I think he was thinking the things he says he was or not.

Slowly backing off, promises a read and review.
What ever happened to the above by the way?

Well on review I am going to drop a decent amount of my suspicion of DLG. There are a few points I'm not satisfied with entirely, but he's done all he can. (specifically, points 1, 3, 4 I have various degrees of issue with - I just don't fully buy his reasoning which while sound is not the most likely to me) I'll look into his later posts and continue to investigate him but for now, FatCat is more suspicious than him, for reference.

Slaxx will we get that analysis tonight or...?

Still has issues and not completely buying it but now FC is more suspicious, but votes for me for a weak reason still.

Yup, still calling Jun/FC scum team.

[farside22]

We can move on now. These repetitive wallposts are going to be hell for rereads and replacements.

Sorry, I'm done now.
I'm sad no one is listening to my points against both Jun and FC, but I'll tone down the wall post.
I think Junpei is holding onto a weak tell because he doesn't want to vote his scum buddy FC there.

Vote for you was not a weak reason. Was a major concern.

How the hell is one post you found from a game where I say OMGUS is a null tell and not doing further research on this major concern? When OMGUS can be done by scum and town and you can explain reason's why FC's post comes from scum that is minor small part that ignores the rest of what a person stated on someone.
It's taking one comment and spinning it as the only comment I made against FC, which is false. There was more then OMGUS and saying only scum use that word is stupid. Did someone do a study and note each time a person who was town and scum that used that word?

@Junpei: Unless you believe 100 percent that Psyche is town or what he was saying was true, then you should have researched things. Did you even look at the game that Psyche stated I made that comment in? Did you look at other games I was in as farside to see if I called out anyone on OMGUS before?
And no I didn't think you would look to see what hydra's I was, but if you researched any past games of mine at all you would have seen that I posted as farside in that game. It just shows me you didn't look at any game I was in at all with your responses.
As for why I didn't bring examples of games in my past, because I'm gauging people's responses and how they answer my questions. Defense is the last thing in my head right now.

[farside22]

unvote:
vote: Junpei

I'm not even close to done with you.

[farside22]

This is the first game since that post that you used OMGUS as a selling point.

A post that explains your opinion of a tell should go far. I mean, that's an aspect of meta a guy should be able to think about reliably. >.>

If someone says in a recent game that he thinks a tell isn't a tell, but today is trying to get someone lynched for it...that's a reason to raise concerns.

Curiosity: Are you saying that you have never changed your views from game to game, based on things that happened to you in other games?

[farside22]

Farside. I assumed that you would interject if Psychs' research wasn't comprehensive enough. I trust Psyches' research abilities because of what he has done in MD. I'm really shocked that you're so upset over this.

You assumed someone's who alignment you should have no knowledge of is 100% honest with you?

[farside22]

High percentage is an estimation.. what I mean is that I'd expect scum to do X MUCH MORE than town would do X. Why do you require so much research for every stance?

I do you ask so many stupid questions? Seriously, what is the point of asking why I didn't bring up something that would clear mean sooner? Do you think it was scummy that I didn't bring up points that could help me in my new views?

I'm assuming you did since you kept your vote on me after I showed the link to the other site I play that you still found me scummy by the way.

Why don't you tell me what you find scummy about FC and why my post that had one example from a game I played 6 months ago was enough to find me scummy?

[farside22]

Farside. I assumed that you would interject if Psychs' research wasn't comprehensive enough. I trust Psyches' research abilities because of what he has done in MD. I'm really shocked that you're so upset over this.

You assumed someone's who alignment you should have no knowledge of is 100% honest with you?

Why the hell would Psyche as scum lie there? So that you can call him out on total bullshit? I trusted 1) he would not intentionally deceive me regardless of alignment 2) if for some reason the information was not purely showing you as scum that you would point out why. My vote wasn't putting you at L-1, after all.

Vote FatCat

Since you unvoted.

And this post bothers me most of all. Clear logic on why someone would do not do something as scum and how it would be dumb for someone to do, but you have treated me like I'm a dumb scum newbie. Can you explain why you think I'm dumb scum in your view that I would fall for what you called buzz word tells that only scum use?

[farside22]

God how anyone read DGL scum with what he just posted above makes we wonder if I missed something with all the back and forth earlier in the game that had people concluding him as scum.

If we are going to discuss cop thoughts, the simple thing is to have the cop check Jun/me/ikn
I think those are the top 3 suspect most discussed today. Elli's choice should be a no brainer.
Also if FC is scum like I suspect then I'm pretty certain his comment about mafia goon's only in this game leads me to believe that scum have no PR.

[farside22]

Farside, pretty interesting change of vote when I was L-1, despite that fact for the last week you've been bleating like a sheep that I was guilty. If you genuinely think I'm guilty why did you change your vote, do you give a shit whether the town catch a guilty man or not? Evidently not. Combine that with you voting for yourself to make you L-1 in the past, it's pretty obvious you're a mafia suffering from fancy play syndrome.

I decided you either are not reading shit in this game which is scummy in my head or you don't give a shit what happens in this game which makes you as useless as a third tit on me.
Either way you being lynch is better for the town.

I don't give a monkey's uncle about saving my own soul, it's pretty obvious you're guilty, I know how you're gonna play if off when I get lynched "oh ignore him, he was the VI, he was clueless", but my fellow villagers are too wise for that.

Wow so obvious. Apparently you think mafia is a guessing game but I'm obvious scum. Is there anything in this game you have not contradicted yourself on.
Not once have you made anything of a case and latched onto whatever worked without making a single view of your own. If you want to call that your town game, then show examples........oh that's right you apparently play a game online where you use your RL info......did I mention I don't believe that?
Pretty sure I haven't. Something you don't have to prove, you can lie about, but I caught on you had mafia experience and you want to use VI as an excuse without proof. That's hysterical stuff.

unvote:

vote: FC

[farside22]

chill out with the votes guys
I don't know how close he is to dead but relatively close?
we'll sit and wait for ikky
and slaxx

ikky may replace out.

unvote

[farside22]

Know this farside. When I die, they will sing ballads of my name in the taverns of the town, they will erect a statue of me in the town square. Parents will name their male first borns after me.

"Fatcat, the handsome martyr!!" they shall sing, "died revealing the guilt of she-devil Farside!"

For that to be fact you would have had to (1) actually made a case that explained why I was scum and most import (2) that I was scum instead of town.
Since you did neither this game. I forsee a tomb that states:
Here lies FatCat the player that did nothing for the game.

[farside22]

actually

assuming that Junpei/Psyche are town - which I think is super clear at this point
and we can find more super-strong town (probably out of Slaxx/DLG...Slaxx is at like 90% percent anyway and i'm just waiting for his latest)

then the game is already practically solvable.
yeah

You know assuming is right?
I don't assume shit.

@Jun: I'm trying to understand why you took one post from 6 months ago as a tell.

[farside22]

@Slaxx: Care to show those post where I stated I said the votes for DGL is good or I called him scum repeatedly?
I had the Jun/FC scum team do to the times I saw Jun call FC scummy but not vote him, then make excuses as to why he is not voting him.
I still say using something for 6 month ago is weak ass shit when people change their views many times, through many games.
Plus the fact that when I pointed out I was a hydra in another game that I called out scum using the term OMGUS and Jun doesn't bat an eye, instead trying to make it see that being a hydra is no proof, but if you looked you saw I posted in the game as farside.
I have a bit of concern in the back of my head on something, but it's more paranoia right now.

[farside22]

Sorry the above post was me. I forgot to log out of the pinkyandthebrain account.

So, pushing on people who push on a scum read and then calling those two partners (Jun+FC) but then never pushing DLG....Yeah, wut.

I don't see and still don't see a good case on DLG.
Why would I push on someone I don't have a scum read on?

[farside22]

Also, you seem to be pushing on people who suspect DLG around the same time they suspect DLG, but your ISO indicates you think DLG is scum (despite the latest post where you FoS FC/Junpei)

Yeah, I don't know where you see indications of thinking DLG is scum in my view. You pointed to 2 post, one which was all about FC. I pushed on people I find scummy.

[farside22]

#274-

"Vote for DLG is good."

I was referring to FC's statement in the quote above. You know the one I quoted and what he was saying to everyone and then showing how he switched.

#69-

"DLG: moments I think town and moments I go whaaaaatttt. I don't like the few moments where I felt he followed me (FC vote) or the congrates post (seeing his comment as a scretch). Not liking Deltabacon more or his vote or his comment leads me off the wagon."

I already discussed this.

That is most definitely saying you find DLG scummy (or at the very leat unsettling) but DeltaBacon more scummy. I'm not for sure thats really even open to interpretation.

So you didn't read what I just said in response to this prior?

[farside22]

I find it difficult to believe much that comes out of FC's post. One that Jun pointed out was how his thought process was the game was only VT and mafia goon but doesn't find Delta's claim scummy.
The other issue is how he says that the place he comes from is more carefree but he goes back and forth with DGL on why he is scummy.
Thus if he can make a case, it means he knows how to make a case and anything he says after is BS.
Plus I still have never seen any player take being called a VI well. Usually most players I have used the term on get pretty pissy at the reference.

[farside22]

This is pure fantasy. farside22 knows well enough that nobody gives a crap about what a townie wrote before they died. The comment feels manipulative and icky.

That's terrible. I died in enough games and ranted enough after the game, plus most people who are killed/lynched as town have died/lynched and people went back to read because sometimes you get info whether by who voted said person, reason's or what someone stated in the game.
That should not be a fantasy.

[farside22]

@Farside: Why did you not comment on mass claim prior to claiming?

Didn't care. Last time I opposed mass claim with someone with Elli's points it became a dead issue and arguing/disagreeing and explaining why just gets ignored. I get tired of arguing over things like whether to mass claim basically.

Naturally, then, I am ok with lynching in between (Farside/You/FatCat). I shouldn't have to explicitly state those as my scumreads, it should be pretty implied.

Have I mentioned my newest pet peeve is people who are happy with lynching players without good reasons or using POE.

[farside22]

@Kublai Khan

Your Slaxx case..

1) Not convincing

Can you explain why you are okay with someone that reads along in the game before replacing then needs to reread after they received their role?
I got a chance to spectate in Armun's last game. I read along and had a list of town players and scum players by the end of day 1. (didn't have a chance to read the game till after day 1 ended). Curiosity makes me ask, what is the point of reading a game if you are not trying to figure players out?

[farside22]

Farside: Why would scum ever reread? Why wouldn't scum just use their uninformed viewpoint from the follow-along? In light of those questions, I can buy Slaxx's rationale.

*mutters to self*

There was a game I replaced into once. Before I got my role I was reading through the game. When I saw I got scum, I went back to reread to change some notes I made on my note pad. That is a reason for scum to reread. I had to change a few reads because one was on my scum buddy and I didn't want to push that hard on him.

[farside22]

Slaxx: Why were you reading the game before you got your role PM?

[farside22]

Jun: If you can explain how Slaxx goes from this first catch up post of comments:

#3- Slight town read on Psyche. I've read the whole thread already but even when I read it earlier it was pretty evident he was fishing for reactions.
#11 by Elli is humorous
#13 makes FatCat likely town unless Psyche is scum- could have easily left an opening there for a later bandwagon but decided to call the bad logic of psyche votes out.

Actually scratch that, FatCat was already voting Psyche. So whatever, it means nothing for now. That's just weird.

#16 makes psyche a bit more townie, its actually the "I came into the game with a goal to end RVS in the first post", yeah scum could say that too but the delivery of it gives me good vibes.

#30= farside slight town. I agree with the stance she took on Junpei.
#44= farside slight town. I was going to ask FatCat if he was an alt at the end of this post. I like that our minds are going the same places.
#55=Psyche and Fatcat aren't mafia together. That's just not scum talking to scum.
#57=is good posting

I need lunch. Can someone explain Jun-town?

When I get back I'll finish up.

To this with very little reason on why he has a slight town read on FC.

Okay, Psyche and Fatcat are probably town.

I was going to say DLG was scum up until his last post but the fact he pointed out the thing about me not saying anything in detail about delta...idk, thats pretty observant for a maf. It kind of absolved my "hey I'm comfortable lynching this guy" to more of a "there are probably better lynches out there" right now.

Anyway, the explanation for the goodposting is Delta's use of "you're appealing to his ego by saying x" was what influenced me to think Delta was posting well. I'm not sold on him being town yet.

I'm still waiting on someone to explain junpei to me, multiple people have said it but 1. Im not getting those vibes and 2. I havent seen anything specific.

Mild Town: Psyche, Fatcat
Slight town: Farside
Neutral: Elli, Iknal, DLG, Delta, Junpei

No scum reads yet.

Vote Jun

.

He also has no scum read and has 5 neutral reads, where he votes for one for reason's that are never clear.
I feel like rereading the above (which I didn't think about until KK brought it up) does not read as someone giving full views completely. I could be picky, but I do joke sometimes lately about finding scum on page 3.

[farside22]

Oh, JUST reading along?

Small playerlist so easier to follow, simple setups are always awesome. You+Psyche+Junpei+Elli caught my eye.

Main reason I replaced in:

1. You guys. Call it buddying, whatever. I like Elli and you as players, and Junpei and Psyche both seemed cool.

Have you ever read my signature?
I kid, I don't think I'm as big of a shrew as I was when I wrote that comment but some days.....some days I feel like a real bitch.

It was more a that is weird moment I was just curious. Some of what has been stated keeps me thinking a bit.

[farside22]

Also, to be fair, having neutral reads on around half the playerlist on page 4...shouldn't really be that unusual...

3 people I understand being neutral as they didn't say enough to really get an opinion on them, but with Jun and DGL, that seems a bit odd to me.
I'm not sure why you would be concerned that so many people claimed a town read on a person. It's not like everyone is scum in the game with Jun.

Anyways, I'm done for tonight. If there is anything else to discuss lets get through it. FC is currently at L-1.

[farside22]

KK thoughts are interesting but not enough for me to get FC off.
I would switch the investigation of checking Slaxx/Me/Jun.
Anything of those 3 would get something.

vote: FC

[farside22]

And before I get the OMG you know because you said something reaction (that make people paranoid and stupid).
I mean a results of town or scum on any of the 3 people would be good info.

[farside22]

farside
the fuck
our cop is barely active enough to have done anything and you don't let kitty to even come here and do my request.

Delta can read during the night. What you want him to spill his thoughts on the game for some reason that makes sense?
Worse case FC is town and you die.
Best case FC is town and you die. (really you should be dying tonight being the BG and all)

[farside22]

Pfft should read Best case FC is scum and elli does.
Many proof reading is really my weakness

[farside22]

and its exactly because I'm definitely dead tonight that my bajillion patience calls should be listened to.

Then should you not have been giving your opinion more in this game if you were concerned with your death?

why are you taking matters in your own hand when people are clearly still doing shit.
it's exactly because we're almost certainly going for fatcat today that town would have more motivation to respect the wishes of people who still want the day to go
we aren't even that close to deadline

"What you want him to spill his thoughts on the game for some reason that makes sense?" <- The hell does this mean.

AKA
WHAT BENEFITS WERE THERE FOR YOU TO HAMMERING NOW VS. SAY ON TUESDAY.
because there are CERTAINLY negatives.

Nothing was changing this game. A lot of things were rinse, repeat. Who was still doing something? You, FC (who ignores all questions asked of him), Delta that doesn't really need to explain shit right now?
I have never known you to worry so much about people not saying things. Hell I have seen you tell people that enough has been said and lets end the day. Did you change or something?
Did you see a benefit of having Delta spill his thoughts in this game for a reason? A cop claiming his thoughts with an unknown set up is bad. You should know this by now.

[farside22]

Someone needs to explain why Elli is concerned about prolonging the day to me. Was FC actually answering shit from anyone?
Why did Elli complain about needing time, worry about dying, then never post his own concern's or suspicious.

Things in my head before this day ends I would like answers some day.

[farside22]

Farside: That hammer was bad - ending the day early like that did nothing but stop discussion. Kublai made a post that could have been responded to by various people, others could have posted, and telling Ellibereth that "too bad you didn't post earlier your fault" is NOT an excuse for not allowing someone who we thought even day 1 was the likely night kill to post because of your hammer. I could also vote Farside.

Seriously he had days upon days to say something. I can't believe how useless Elli was in this game.
Also in case you missed it somehow I'm moving out of state July 17th, so if I end a day 2 fucking days earlier so I can stay in this game and not have to replace out, I'm going to end the day if I find someone scummy.
Rebuttal?

Waiting on DB's report, but yeah, KK/Farside are both beautiful lynches. KK and Iknal both share the posting style of "this person should be lynched, now lets make a case on him" as opposed to "let me scumhunt first then lynch somebody"

I really want someone to explain why this person is town with reason's. All I see is I think X is scum with no reason's.

This is

that

game.

I'll not be reading most of farside's longer posts in my re-anslysisisis. So you know.

Is there anything you don't like about my Slaxx case besides "It's poor!" and "It's bad!"? Because neither of those are compelling reasons for me to change my mind.

..So you don't care if your reasons for voting are awful? Interesting.

I really don't see what was awful about the case on Slaxx. Are you going to explain better.

I have quite a strong town impression from Slaxx, so either way, I believe I'm hitting scum.

I would love a reason why from you about the above.

[farside22]

So I put together things I saw from Slaxx that is basically scum sitting on the side line, that keeps changing his views with no reason's stated. In fact if you look at his Iso it is not until post 418 he put scum suspects based on interaction with people that are completely false and convoluted.
You can see reading the post that at post 94 he has DLG with a town mind set and then post 115 DGL is not on the list at all for town and becomes scum out of the blue.
The most damning in all this is how Slaxx is never placing a vote on anyone at all.
Then we get to 418 where he talks about the pairs, which was inaccurate and based on assumptions/lies.

Spoiler:

Like, what DLG did there is a something that indicates he is in the townie mindset. Looking very detailed into the posts. Show's he's paying attention.

If I had already been pushing him, or if I was on his bandwagon, or if I leading town, if I was a competing wagon, etc, then as scum he'd have every reason to pick apart my posts and try to discredit me. But I was of no threat to him and he is really looking at things carefully. Possible as scum, but less likely to come from them.

By the way, I replaced in, its not like I've been sitting here waiting for the DLG wagon to pick up or slow down.

Also, I get what you're saying, but why is scenario A more probable than scenario B?

A: I'm scum, trying to set you up against Junpei

B: I'm town, I think you're town, and I think Junpei might be scum. I see you giving him town credit for a bad reason and I point it out, especially since you are more susceptible being new on the site.

Lul Elli's town

So Psyche-Elli-FatCat are town
Farside probs town

Elli we can claim tomorrow after we lynch scum today just in case our inv role is tracker k

Im assuming we have an inv role, a prot role, and a mafia role to counter inv role+prot role (gf, rb, etc), just because I don't see any other combination if this is a "simple" game of mafia

Because you came in and saved his bacon when he was L-1 and was looking as guilty as sin.

Is that that difficult to understand?

I didn't even remotely defend DLG. I said I thought he was scum up until his last post and now he was null. "Better lynches out there" is like all I've said on him. I could have easily thrown him into my multitude of townreads, especially after Elli did but I didn't.


If you really think DLG is scum, the first place to look would be on the DeltaBacon counterwagon.

I might have some interesting shit up later, not for sure if I wanna do the legwork of partner exclusions before mass claim, which we are going to do today.

Switch Junpei on my list with FatCat

Town:
Psyche
<gap>
Elli
< large gap>
Farside
Junpei
<large gap>
Delta
FatCat
DLG
Ik

DB: yeah, its meta, but its also the mass claim proposal and how he went about it

Okay sorry guys, went up to Ft Wayne to retrieve some stuff so I spent the last 11/24 hours on the road.

SO.

Combinations I haven't gone over:

(DLG, FatCat)-Very unlikely given the back and forth earlier this game.
(DLG, Farside)-A very possible team; Farside multiple times says DLG is scum or DLG votes are good but never votes DLG, there's also a few instances where Farside seems to soft defend DLG, or chinsaw FatCat's attacks on DLG (Just CTrL+F DLG in Farside's ISO).
(DLG, KK)-Possible, considering Iknal/KK works with almost everyone due to lack of content (not your fault KK I know), also there is definitely a defense of DLG in the FatCat vote post (#252)
(Farside, FatCat)-Probably not happening, DLG+Farside is way more likely based on my above analysis.
(Farside, KK)-Once again, it works.
(Fatcat, KK)-Less likely than the other two paired with Iknal/KK.

So here's my thing.

#252 feels like Iknal had already made up his mind before he started posting about FatCat, and although that could just mean he followed up a gut vibe with a case, the post just twinges my gut the wrong way. The vote doesn't really drive discussion forward and his whole ISO reeks of just getting on a wagon and making sure his position there looks justified, there's hardly any actual scumhunting even for what little content he has.

Junpei is my strongest nonclear townread.
Followed by Psyche, who is probably only scum if FatCat flips scum, and even then I'm not for sure I'd lynch Psyche first after a FatCat flip. Basically, FatCat town=Junpei town. The problem with this is no one works well with FatCat as scum, meaning either someone did some decent bussing or it is the Psych. It would be a hard decision for me because Psych is definitely a pretty confident town read. So honestly, I'm actually expecting FatCat to flip town though I don't necessarily oppose the lynch, as if I'm right I can rest easy about Psych and have 1 clear and 2 town strong reads going into a 7 player game tomorrow.

I think the most likely to be town in (DLG, Farside, KK, FatCat) is DLG.

So teams that work:
Any team with KK in them
DLG/Farside
FatCat/Psyche

So thats that. Also, a FatCat scum flip means DLG town.

I'm up for a lynch in either Iknal (strongest scum read) or FatCat (think he is a little more likely to flip town, but we get to strike out a lot of possibilities if he flips scum and can let psych off the hook if he's town).

Investigation wise, I don't see why we wouldn't investigate KK at this point unless his next post rains down towniness from the heavens or whatever.

If you think its town on scum, and there are two scum, it makes way more sense to vote farside. That being said, a KK vote is beautiful.

I'll hold off putting him at L-1, I want his responses to what I've said.

Waiting on DB's report, but yeah, KK/Farside are both beautiful lynches. KK and Iknal both share the posting style of "this person should be lynched, now lets make a case on him" as opposed to "let me scumhunt first then lynch somebody"

The only thing that confuses me is KK knows its really hard to mislynch me so I'm a bit confused why he went after me. If scum really are in (DLG/Farside/KK) though I guess he would HAVE to push me if I wanted to win the game since Junpei/Psyche are more town than me overall. Basically, if KK is scum, it only further confirms my town reads on Psyche/Junpei.

Vote: Slaxx

[farside22]

Farside:
1. I said DLG was townier for that, Junpei and I even had this discussion. I had DLG as a scumread, his last post read as town, so he was null.
2. Okay, I didn't vote. Most of the game I was waiting on mass claim, and I actually did vote at the very start of the game. Then, when mass claim was all panned out, someone hammered prematurely before I was even ready to vote. Hmmm. Who was that?
3. "Lies and assumptions" forst off is an extremely vague term, I can't even remotely respond to that, and (surprise) this whole fucking game is based on assumptions.

1. You didn't say much about why DLG was scum and had him neutral, then state in 94 a town midset. I asked what the fuck changed it to scum and why?
2. Why does it matter if people were going to mass claim or not? Even after mass claim you still didn't vote so really this response doesn't hold much to me.
3. Okay lets say over exagerrates and pumps up a case.
Lets start with your statment in post 418

Farside multiple times says DLG is scum or DLG votes are good but never votes DLG,

Multiple times I called DLG scum, but you found 1 time that you thought I called DLG scum, which was untrue. The votes were good comment was in reference to FC's comment, how did you get that I was talking about DGL in a post dedicated to what FC was saying?

(Farside, KK)-Once again, it works.

no reason stated why. No one interacted with Ink/KK, so this pairing is pulling shit out of your ass.

#252 feels like Iknal had already made up his mind before he started posting about FatCat, and although that could just mean he followed up a gut vibe with a case, the post just twinges my gut the wrong way. The vote doesn't really drive discussion forward and his whole ISO reeks of just getting on a wagon and making sure his position there looks justified, there's hardly any actual scumhunting even for what little content he has.

This is pure BS and nothing stated prior, why did you not say something sooner about this?

Junpei is my strongest nonclear townread.

no reason and after calling Junpei scum early game.

I'm up for a lynch in either Iknal (strongest scum read) or FatCat (think he is a little more likely to flip town, but we get to strike out a lot of possibilities if he flips scum and can let psych off the hook if he's town).

Willing to lynch a person that went MIA for weak reasoning or the VI at any time, what happened with DLG?

I think the most likely to be town in (DLG, Farside, KK, FatCat) is DLG.

Right now he's more town.

Waiting on DB's report, but yeah, KK/Farside are both beautiful lynches. KK and Iknal both share the posting style of "this person should be lynched, now lets make a case on him" as opposed to "let me scumhunt first then lynch somebody"

Basically based on an interaction that no one had and POE.

Wow lets talk about that switch of reads for no reason again.

[farside22]

And I am really confused, my last post along with my partner combos along with 94/115/418/521 ALL have very transparent and logical reasoning behind them.

I'm pretty sure at this point its Farside+KK, because they know they both have to push me to win, and they've both done nothing but tunnel me today, not wanting to pressure each other or even get on that topic, however, I wanna wait until we get a DLG replacement and see their take on the thread.

Fearmongering time!
Oh woe as me, these people have been attacking me for a whole 24 hours, that is tunneling and they are scum for doing it.

That...is not even remotely AtE, but thats a really REALLY cute buzzword.

You guys have both voted me without even touching on who the other scum could be because

you don't want to

because there aren't that many mislynches left to drive, are there? Now, if we call two people voting me, putting me at L-2, and not mentioning other players as scum or what to do if I flip town/scum, what exactly do we call tunneling? You guys aren't concerned about winning, you just want...need, rather, for my lynch to go through, and that is what is going on today.

Please tell me if there is an incentive in your head for scum to push a wagon on you, what would they gain when there is still another day they could be lynched and all they did was "tunnel you"?

God I want to vote you but NO

Because unlike you guys I want the whole picture, I want DLG's replacement in first, but I really really doubt you're town KK, and if you are Jesus Christ get your head out of your ass in the future.

Quick, who is scum if KK is town?

I dont know what else to call a full wall addressed to someone without anyone else mentioned besides tunneling.

Me stating that you and Farside are both pushing me and no one else today isn't AtE, its just fact. I mean, okay, maybe the use of the word tunneling is bad or AtE or whatever, but if you look over both your posts...yeah, nothing but focus on me.

Last time I checked you still suspect Farside. Do you think we're partners together?

I see this as blatant deflection

Wow.

First off - Slaxx calm down. Either you're fear mongering with AtE or you're head is not in the right place. If you need to take a break from the game for a night do so because you're getting angry and it's not going to help.

Second of all: Can someone make a in order Slaxx case with all the details against Slaxx in it? Bullet points with links to relevant evidence. I can't understand Farside's post fully and the missing posts in between the quotes is going to drive me crazy so Kublai Khan why don't you do this?

Slaxx: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4141552 <-- That's Kublai Khan's post with a read of Farside in it

I'll hand this to KK for now. I will put a point bulletin together tomorrow or later tonight if I feel better, with my own views.

DLG is being replaced.
.

Yet this mentality thinks both scum are tunneling to create a mislynch. Hysterical.

[farside22]

Just to list out what we're waiting for..

1. Psyche to do something/analysis (it's getting to the trying not to rustle bushes level of not doing crap)

2. Slaxx to rebuttal once more (I really hope this will be productive and not drown the game with quote walls so hopefully good judgement)

3. Kublai Khan to post a bullet case on Slaxx (at this point I still can't imagine a reality where we don't lynch Kublai Khan but I'll hear him out)

Why are you eager to lynch KK? Where is your bullet post explaining why he is scum?

mod: I'm may be a bit busy this weekend with packing. So possible limited access till Monday.

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Farside: Have you already forgotten? Are you really reading? This is the nth time that you've asked me to say something I've already said.

His responses have been unconvincing, for reference.

The short version is that it is just your opinion on things and calling a case crap that makes him scum.

Wow

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1. None of those reasons explains why he seemingly generated new reads and tried to throw out old reads

Mass claim brouhaha

1. First against the idea with the reasoning that we should lynch the scum RB first
   
2. Then changed his mind and was gung-ho on the idea.
   
3. His tracker talk comes off as scum worried about the existence of a tracker.

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One thing I want to add to this is when I asked him about his lack of voting his reasoning was he was waiting for mass claim to happen before voting. After mass claim was done the reason he didn't vote for anyone was......?????

My point bulletin is a bit short:

1) lack of voting history.
2) floating on the edge of commentary. I noticed for example when Junpei mentions he finds KK scummy, then suddenly Slaxx remembers a post almost 200 post ago from Iknal that he never comment about before
3) Ever changing views with no reasoning to them. One moment DGL has a town mind set, then null, then scummy.
4) False/misrepresentation of fact (see post 418 from Slaxx).
4a) His pairs are based on interaction that are false, however seems to only put KK with me for no reason stated other then POE
5) Noted buddying of Jun and Psyche, Psyche was early game, with following of Jun late in day one. (see late into day one and once Jun comments about a player, Slaxx vomit of repeating the same crap)
6) just today, way, way over reaction to pressure of votes, panic over two votes and calls it scum looking for a mislynch
7) redirecting away from himself and onto others

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Sorry Junpei: my view is that just because something reads off or fabricated to you does that make it fact and it's not enough reason for me to think a person is scum. I read people "off" before and things that rubbed me wrong, hell I'm would think I'm notorious for arguing with people because of things I read that got into pages of argument, but it's opinion. Nothing more.

As for Slaxx post on his thoughts with DGL post 90 was going to call him scum but townie mind set.
The first post he made never explained the why DGL was scummy in the first place either

post 93 this at least explains reasoning, however he seems to back off of DGL (this post a few more post make me think DGL scum buddy if Slaxx is scum)

post 94 townie mind set giving praise to DGL

post 179 defensive when paired with DGL (the other post I mentioned seeing pairing) also had DGL as null

post 218 List of scum that is never explained.
post 418 the sudden pairs and look who is left off the list as more town that used to be at the bottom of the list as scum (DGL)

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Also Junpei: You know there is no way to show someone who made notes they didn't share in the game, but I hope the above shows how Slaxx's read on DGL softened right from the start and continued to soften in the game, then raised out of the blue with no reasoning, to disappearing completely.
Those are facts all in the links I put in the above.

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@Jun: I read the link and I don't see anything in that post that explain why DGL is scum. That explain more about doing town reads, throwing out those and listing those he find scummy and putting in pairs (more this is in regards to how 418 happened). If there was any truth to that statement then post [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4127373]post 218[url] in which he had his list should have matched better to post 418. However his reads changed without cause or reasoning from post 218 and his statement that suddenly DGL is no longer the biggest scum read and KK/FC and me are on his scum list with pairs.
The pairing of KK/myself is ridiculous. No one had any interaction with iknal or KK during that post. Why was DGL suddenly removed from that list.
Things like that stand out.

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@Jun: My comments about Slaxx is not just one post and not liking what is stated. It's an accumulation of actions and comment made thoughout the game that do not add up. That is the difference between opinion and game relations.

Yes I did and no I'm on my phone. Don't feel like bringing up the laptop just for MS. I did vote, then took it off during mass claim, then farside trollol hammered so I never put one back on. Although not having a vote at all times is admittedly exact opposite of my usual town play

Wow what a misrepresentation of facts. You seriously blaming me for hammering someone for your lack of vote is the lamest excuse I heard this game.
You could have voted any time after the mass claim. Why did you never cast a vote. Stop delaying an answer to that fucking question or lying about reason's for not voting.

DGL bugs me a whole lot, and I sorta liked Ikal from the first part of the game and I surprisingly am not excited to pull out the "farside is always scum" meta. Will give it a closer read tonight, worst case tomorrow.

One day I am going to kill Fonz just for putting that stupid comment in his wiki. Sigh

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For those not reading the game or giving a shit. Why post 508 from Slaxx is a complete lie and misrepresentation:

Mass claim ended post 269 (june 18)
Hammer vote is post 504 (june 24)

6 days later and over 200 post later, no vote from Slaxx = just excuses, lies and blame.

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RD: My reason's for finding FC scum was the inconstant reads, avoiding questions constantly, when asked about whom else besides DGL was scum would not answer (read fearful to me), never making a case and calling anyone that attacked him scum.

I'll get to the rest of what was said later. I also second the request for no spamming in the game please. It's hard enough to read people's walls (yes I'm a hypocrite), but spamming just makes me vomit and makes it difficult to catch up when I will be busy.

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meh I read the long post by Tammy and caught this:

Oh wait...Jun is voting Farside, why isn't Far voting Jun? Their interaction feels off and fabricated.

I believed FC scum more then Jun, there is a wagon on FC and no one agreed with me or listened. Why start a vote on someone that goes nowhere. It's useless. And yes if you fucking read the game OMGUS is a scum and town tell. I gave points in which scum use OMGUS as well.

God I hate repeating myself.

I really don't understand most of the post from Tammy, how do you go from seeing one post that Slaxx post and declare him town? Really one post = town?
Is that normal for you?

Serious Question - Do you all believe that Slaxx as scum is stupid enough to admit to needing to re-read the thread upon replacing in? Seems like an insanely stupid thing for scum to do because they would be expecting for people to go "AHA CAUGHT SCUM!!!!!!!" I can see it much more coming from town than I can from scum unless it's newbscum, which Slaxx doesn't fit.

If it was that simple then it would have been noted a lot sooner then it was don't you think?

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Don't know that there's a whole lot in mafia that could be "normal" for me as everything is game and mood dependent and not much is the same from game to game.

One post does sometimes do it for me, not always, but it happens. I've been known to be convinced someone was scum for weeks only to change my mind based on one post :shrug:

His post spoke to a town mindset. There were a myriad of things he could have said upon me replacing in and as scum I think it would be something a whole lot different than he's heard I'm an easy read. There was some suspicion on my slot; if he were scum he could have fed that suspicion and he could have done it in a way that was totally accurate and I wouldn't be able to refute or be suspicious of him for. Saying that he's heard I'm an easy read suggests that he's actually interested in reading my slot not that he's already determined or knows the alignment of my slot.

Yeah there was/is suspicion on your slot, some came from the person that your declaring town off of one post.
Instead there is 2 wagon's going, 1 on him and 1 on KK and I'm sure nothing short of kissing ass to a player never enters scums mind

Also most people I know when they find someone scum, just because a replacement comes in does not change a read.

At least if Slaxx is scum I may have to rethink those post from Slaxx and see a person he ignored all game....like for example Psyche. (noted for later if Slaxx is scum).

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I should note: I'm suspicious of your slot more because of how Slaxx talked about DGL during the game, going from scummy, null, scummy and no longer scum with no reason. Usually when someone is scum they will, I notice, lightly bus their scum buddy but not go all out and try and make others look scummier, but always vote on his scum buddy if the tides turn.

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@RD: The reason I am voting Slaxx can be found here, my bullet points are found here


*looks at the wifom from RD's post about what scum would or would not do and laughs*

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@Tammy: In regards to post 654; saying someone is easy to read = town mind set? I'm just more confused.
I'm going to disagree with most of your post here. You think people can't fake a read? You just going to ignore everything in this game and base it on how a person thinks now is just plain dumb.

In regards to replacement reads changing, I think my best example of what I mean about your views not changing when you have a scum read on someone when another replaces in the same slot was how I was in here where I welcomed the person saying hi I believe your scum, welcome.
I was being cute, but damn serious.
This game Slaxx has been ever changing reads with no reason's behind him. I see a lot of following from him and no aggressive scum hunting what-so-ever.

Wouldn't he, as scum, at least try to give a reason for his change of reads so that he wouldn't look suspicious

Wouldn't he as town have reason for why he changed his views? Really. It's easy to follow along and give agreements and credence when you see people already suspicious of a player.
Are you saying you never never did that as scum?


Oh look who is not here during this exchange of talks in the game.....Slaxx/Psyche.

*Note for later* look to see if this was a trend all game long.

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As much as I disagree with Tammy post 667, I see her point. I think her points are more null, then a town mind set.
Lots of what she's basing her thoughts on is what she thinks scum would act, but it's not proven theory as I have seen scum behave the same way.
mmmmm the smell of newb still wet behind the ears, optimist, not paranoid and figuring things out is my impression of her at this point.

You need to hurry up and vote Kublai Khan. Your townread on Iknal makes no sense and neither is your nullread on Kublai Khan.

Why are you in a hurry to end this day especially after (1) giving me shit for hammering 2 days before deadline and (2) when conversation is still at hand?


Also I decided after reading some shitty comments from Junpei toward Tammy I decided to tune the rest of the back and forth off.
Seriously Jun some of those comments were unnecessary. There is no need to be a snotty jerk.

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I think your top three scum reads are all town

sorry to burst your bubble

I see an outside shot of Junpei at this point, I really wouldn't lynch Tammy at this point either

Farside is tomorrow's lynch

, how you think she's town I have not a clue, her avoidance of commenting on mass claim is sketchy as is her overall play

take no offense to this but I'm really glad you die tonight

A couple of things
1) I explained why I didn't go into mass claim commenting. What is sketchy about it? Use words more then sketchy.
2) Why do you say the bold and in the next post vote for me?
3) You have taken most people off the list, but are sure I'm scum because why and with whom for what reason?

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1) I didn't mean to say "lets end this day already!", I meant what I said in the sense of "can you vote kublai khan? Why aren't you voting Kublai Khan?" with a hyperbole at the end. I wrote it as if to imply that you should be voting Kublai Khan.

Hurry up and vote sounds more urgent, then what your implying here. Tammy's vote was on you, changing the vote puts KK at L-1. What exactly with with hurry in there it sounds more like, do it now, do it now. This just doesn't jell.

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@RD: The last time I self voted as scum was to hammer vote and end the day early. When I did this I don't recall........maybe flame warriors......just checked the answer is no. I looked at the other 4 games I could recall being scum, the closest I came was American Dad hammer voted my lover in this game, knowing it would kill me too and end conversation early.

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I know that feel.

You should really look at it anyway, maybe its because im 100% sure hes scum in that game and have doubt here, but those posts are like night and day from these. There arent very many in either but something definitely changed there, or at least it seems that way to me.

Did you know that Iknal has replaced in other games? Does this replacement in more then one game mean he's scum in all game or null? Serious question.

@Junpei: Nice dodge. How does hurry up and vote KK = what you are saying it means in any way shape or form.

@Slaxx: Is there any reason you didn't answer the questions I asked you?

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@Jun - Can you give me a case on why farside is scummy?

I'd rather just focus on one at a time but I can outline issues I have had for you tomorrow. Today there's really no time for me to do so.

Farside: It wasn't meant to be taken literally. I gave my response and you clearly aren't accepting. I clearly can't convince you so stop pretending to post content by dragging this on further. Also Slaxx clearly stated "more tomorrow" meaning that he's aware he didn't hit everything there, making your latest post mostly useless.

You do realize that Tammy got the same impression from your post as I did right?
I find it fascinating that everything Slaxx says you believe to be true and good reasoning there. Did you happen to look to see if he was posting elsewhere before coming in and saying my comment was meaningless. Any reason you haven't put together a case that was requested from RD but feel the need to be catty towards people instead?

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@RD or anyone but Jupei: Did anyone understand the points that Junpei stated for finding KK scum?
I read it 3 times and just didn't get how or why the point = KK scum.

I'm going to reread a few things. I still don't see anything town about Slaxx. His response when pressured early day 2 still scream scum to me. It was way, way over reaction and fearmongering reaction.

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Alright I'm home.
Issues with Farside in my notes:

1) Stretches this point hard
2) I address the issue with this in my next post, but the 1st 2nd and 3rd points issues are what I find suspicious about Farside
3)

A general lack of reading the game closely/remembering things about the game

4) don't like how long it took for the OMGUS to get sorted out and I still don't understand the reasoning fully
5) Bad hammer

1) I explained my reasons why I think the way I think. Not a stretch if you read it.
2) This is vague. Explains nothing about why it's suspicious.....ooooooooo I made a case with reasoning that is soooo fucking suspicious how dare I.
3) Busy, multiple things going on with the move, plus if you ever really played with me before it's pretty normal because I'm doing more then just one thing at a time.
4) Why is this even scummy? Are you ever going to explain it?
5) Explained my reasons for hammer. You never stated a problem again. Please explain how it's a bad hammer when (1) I already stated intent to vote FC (2) it was 2 days before deadline not a week like some people are acting like and (3) the fact that if I live past the 17th of July it will be near impossible to difficult to stay in the game.

Sometime I hope tomorrow if not today I'm going to point out my issues with Slaxx that were not resolved that most have glossed over, look over Pysche and Junpei.

The short issues with Slaxx:

Excuses on why he never voted day 1 is waiting for mass claim, then saying he didn't vote later because of my hammer (pointed out it was 6 days and 200 post later between events) Never responded with an answer to that.
The POE post where he never explains why he finds me scum, (post 418), it has me paired with DGL but puts me with scum as KK for no reason (not explained this either since I asked)
The over reaction to pressure from the start of day 2 and misrepresentation and fearmongering reaction.
Links to all this will have to wait.

Sorry I forgot to log out of the mod account again. Busy morning and running late right now.....grrrr

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@RD: Is there any reason you are ignoring all the points I put against Slaxx there.
At this point I'm thinking Pyche is scum. He keeps coming up with excuses not to post in here and participate in the game but he active throughout MS.

The only votes I'm placing is either Slaxx or Pyche at this point. Too much following from Slaxx day 1 and other things. Pyche coming up with excuses and not doing shit this game (aka lurking scum).

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1) I explained my reasons why I think the way I think. Not a stretch if you read it.
2) This is vague. Explains nothing about why it's suspicious.....ooooooooo I made a case with reasoning that is soooo fucking suspicious how dare I.
3) Busy, multiple things going on with the move, plus if you ever really played with me before it's pretty normal because I'm doing more then just one thing at a time.
4) Why is this even scummy? Are you ever going to explain it?
5) Explained my reasons for hammer. You never stated a problem again. Please explain how it's a bad hammer when (1) I already stated intent to vote FC (2) it was 2 days before deadline not a week like some people are acting like and (3) the fact that if I live past the 17th of July it will be near impossible to difficult to stay in the game.

1) Disagree.

2) 1) You ignored posts I made and selectively quoted to make it appear like you had a valid point.
2) This is part of 3: Ignoring what was already said and not remembering anything
3) Stretching once more. Specifically, took a scum read I had and turned it into a reason I am scum (I clearly had a scum read on DLG). I also find it hilarious that one of Farsides' posts here is saying I defended FatCat so I'm scum and another saying I suspected FatCat so I'm scum.

3) I think that it happens too often. I think you could be faking forgetfulness to make everything more confusing.

4) You had a post which seems to push away the tell... however it didn't come out till much later. It seems to me like you were grasping at everything behind the scenes and finally found something. You criticize me (and Psyche) for not looking at games that you hydra'd in, but you didn't immediately do such. I think that for something that could have immediately been shot down it took too much effort.

5) I forgot about the 17th of july thing. I don't like that defense but I will drop this point in light of that because I think it is compellingly valid.

1) okay
2) (1)You do the same, with KK and myself and DGL so really what is the point of this comment.
(2) So? How is this scummy? Are you saying you remember everything in a game along with RL stuff?
(3) what?

3) You know scum to fake forgetfullness. Are you saying only scum is forgetfull?
4) busy, forgetful, remembering things as it hits me later. None of this is scummy and still not explained how it's scumm
5) good.

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@Mod: Please replace me. I've already been incapable of playing fully and my internet access is now being constricted. I am sorry for the inconvenience.

Looked at just today's posting and know this is a lie after post this still posting like crazy and in'ed for another game on top of it! pfft scum.

unvote:
vote: Psyche

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From what I'm gathering reading KK's case against Tammy is the inconsistency of Tammy's reads. I really don't think this is a strong enough scum tell to warrant a vote. I also notice more often then not if a player is scum they will not defend their scum buddy (part of what KK was inferring in one statement). I'm not really big on taking small parts stated by Tammy and saying those inconsistencies make her scum. I see her thoughts on Slaxx in whole for example on why she believes Slaxx reaction as town as a good explanation.
KK: Any reason you ignored that post by Tammy?

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Why is flaking out from one particular game a scumtell? To make it that you would need to provide a history of Psyche really not being a fan of being scum or something... otherwise I would almost think its more of a towntell.

I do kinda agree with a "One of Junepi/Tammy" theory here

Last time I saw a person replace out and in for another game the same day and claim it was because they were busy or internet issues they were scum.
How in the world do you see town from a blatant lie?
Forget history or meta, think for a second how that is town.

Farside: What if not voting me would cause your death? Would you still not vote me?

2(1): What? Where?
2(2): Forgetting things that were recently told to you and forgetting events from a few months ago are different things.
2(3): You ignroed my scum read on DLG, and said that the fact I defended and not attacked FatCat made me scummy, but also said that I was attacking FatCat as an attribute of your attack.

3) I think that the level of forgetfulness (short term and long term memory loss) is MORE LIKELY to come from scum. If only scum did it then everyone would be voting you.

4) If you yourself didn't think to look at your games then how can you attack me and Psyche for not looking at your hydra games?

I need to go get ready for something irl (I've been doing homework a lot yesterday whenever I was home, so sorry for not posting). Should be done with that soon and then I'll read through Kublai Khan's Tammy case and comment on everything.

1) your case is weak and full of holes. Honestly it looks like your grasping at anything in my view. Statements like forgetfullness can be faked is not a case.
However I believe more strongly in my scum read of Pysche and Slaxx that I have no interest in you at this moment.

2) (1) please provide a quote trail on this
(2) yup. I go to work, I have a 4 year old that interupts me while I am online, I have a husband that interupts me while I'm online, I forget about the time and that I need to go if I get lost online so I have to have one eye on the time because it goes quickly and I have to leave by certain time for work or social obligations. In other words yes I forget things and remember them later because of constant interuptions
(3) you defended FC then said you were not defending FC. What is your point on this at all?

3) Why? What did I forget that was so scummy and damning (see again something that you are not explaining that looks like padding a case that does not exist)

4) You auto-believed pschye without looking into facts. How is that a town motive? It reads more of jumping onto something (grasping at straws) without seeing (1) if I did it in other games (2) asking Pysche for more examples. How is that town and not more taking something lobbed and running with it, without asking questions.

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Besides, it requires much less time to make a short GD post than it does to read and analyze a thread. I don't have the consistency of internet access to play in all the games I was in.

And if you weren't taking a

deliberately slanted

perspective on my activity, you'd see that I've replaced out of a lot of games.

FoS

Replaced out of 2 games, that is all the games you were in because I counted more then 2 games you were in and second if you had not fucking time to play mafia why did you in for another game at all then?

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Junpei: You going to answer my question about what was so forgetful to be scummy? How many post did I make that I forgot something? And why you did not do research on if there was other examples of where I OMGUS a player as town or scum?

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Before I forget or someone accuses me of forgetfulness because I doing too many things at once.
@KK: The post I was referring to for Tammy explaining her reasoning on slaxx reasoning
As I said I don't agree with it but it explain her thought process just fine in my view.

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First is questions asked of me to answer:

Farside. I assumed that you would interject if Psychs' research wasn't comprehensive enough. I trust Psyches' research abilities because of what he has done in MD. I'm really shocked that you're so upset over this.

I already answered the second question Farside.

As for forgetfulness - scum would pretend to forget things to slow down scumhunting, to make things unclear, to blur what is going on. I don't know how many instances it has been, but you just did it again as shown by the above quote.

Here is the problem with your response: (1) I'm asking you why you did not do research and ask questions. Those are different questions then what your responding above and (2) I remembered your comment but it's not why I'm asking.

the biggest thing was the day one hammer. and my guy says slaxx is town so i'm ok with sheeping him.

I explained the hammer. Your bad scum. Nothing town about Slaxx if so explain what it is.

@KK/Farside - The ones you are voting are not going to get lynched. Move your votes.

All you talk about is Junpei, if Junpei is scum who is scum with him?
I see both Slaxx and roflcopter there. (will explain later)

hi,

I breezed through some of this game, I have to run.

Claim: VT
I recall Armun wanted to confirm by revising the role PM.
I said something like a useless player that only has a vote.

unvote:
vote: FC

Explanation will have to wait till later.

Why did you claim VT this way? The explanation looks off. It looks like you wanted to explain why you know you're VT rather than just claiming VT.

I'm just thinking off the top of my head and posting quickly before I leave for work.

Not too sure how many votes I have, but know I'm bordering on trouble.

Has anyone ever put any heat on Fatside? She seems to be getting a bit of a free pass, it's the second time she's jumped on my back when I've came under fire. Either possible mafia or someone with a serious chip on her shoulder.
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Pointing finger at a person for no reason. Seems to "forget" I was the first to point out issues with him early in the game and question him that he did not answer repeatedly. Somehow that is not scum hunting for him?

I was pointing out the number of post that was OMGUS coming from him and things he never stated before.
I also pointed out the number of questions he still ignores, which is a scum tell.

Since when is ignoring questions a scum tell? Do you really believe this or did you need extra points against Fatcat? Town often ignore questions from scum. Town often don't pay enough attention to the thread to realize there's a question for them. In my experience, ignoring questions comes from town far more often than scum because scum tend to go out of their way to try to be compliant with everyone and keep in everyone's good graces.

I always find it a scum tell not to answer questions. It means you either (1) have something to hide and (2) there is no reason for town not to answer questions asked. There was nothing I was asking FC that was scummy and he kept ignoring no matter how many times I repeated myself in the game.
I even bolded the question and yelled to get attention and he didn't answer my question. That doesn't ring town to me, especially when asked about who else is scum.

Damn. Sorry for the spam; I have a little bit of free time right now. And, I forgot to actually put in my point about this.

This struck me as odd. You put forget in the scare quotes, yet you've been defending yourself against forgetting things from Junpei.

FC's case was against me was full of wrong. It was looking to me like it was padded or he was purposely misleading people with false information about what I did in the game (hence the forget comment). All Junpei is talking about is all the things I forget in the game without giving specific's.

Farside - When Ellibereth was bringing up Iknal's posting on other sites and not posting here and thinking it was suspicious, you said

bold

. Why were you using the same argument about Psyche then?

On going game reason's I can not discuss.

Farside - Are you using this as a point for why Slaxx is scum? This coupled with the post in which you responded to Ellibereth's suspicions over Iknal's lack of activity here while being active on site looks really odd with respect to your suspicions of Psyche and vote on him.

(Slaxx - you might not remember calling a post I made in the game we played together dumb due to my belief that some contradictions weren't necessarily scumtells. These are the types of contradictions that I find suspicious.)

Also, really really sorry for spamming the thread. I'll probably do a few more tonight. I ended up having more time today than I thought, which means I probably won't have time tomorrow.)

My reason's for finding Slaxx scum is multiple reasons and not just not posting in the game. All Elli showed was how inactive Iknal was in the game and he was not posting elsewhere.

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Onto other stuff now:

I saw Slaxx talk about my points on Junpei (he also doesn't say that he thinks Junpei is scum I would like to point out here). I had FC as scum with Junpie with FC flipping town that takes Junpei out of the equation.

@ Slaxx:

Will you ever explain how it is you saw me as scum with DLG (now tammy) but had the scum team as KK/farside? Will you ever explain why it is you have excuses for day 1 on why you never voted that were false?

I notice that Slaxx is only discussing me/KK/Tammy but doesn't want to talk about either rolfcopter or Junpei for no reasons found in this discussion. If I'm lynched today go back and look at who Slaxx ignores and who he is pushing. I'm more certain with every post and every thing he ignores he's scum at this point.

unvote:
vote: Slaxx

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What about Slaxx is town, What about me is scum?

ROFLCOPTER: IF YOU REFUSE TO POST DETAILED READS/CATCH UP THEN VOTE FOR KUBLAI KHAN. There are in fact several errors in his attack on Tammy and he is ignoring points put against him on purpose (and the points themselves are worthy of note). Is farside suspicious? Yes. Is Kublai Khan more suspicious? Yes.

Wait, Slaxx is doing the exact same fucking thing (excpet he never once made a case on anyone at all for any reason today" and you are totally ignoring that?


TAMMY AND KK PLEASE STOP FUCKING ARGUING/SPAMMING THE THREAD!!!

[quote="KK""]
So now I want to hear people explain the reasons why they aren't voting her.[/quote]
Because Slaxx is scum, vote him.

Farside - farside's play bothers me and I think it's likely that she is scum as well and would fit as KK's partner I think. Farside spent the majority of day two declaring a Junpei/FC scum team. That's pretty much all she talked about. Then KK shows up and starts going after Slaxx. All of a sudden Junpei isn't on the table anymore and everything is about Slaxx. Her case on Slaxx is just as shallow as KK's and it's rather weird the way she dropped Junpei to go after Slaxx but today says that if it weren't for her suspicion of Slaxx and Psyche, then she'd go after Junpei. Her attitude about Junpei is what makes me more concerned about Junpei and about her. My concerns about them being a possible partner are probably the strongest thing that gives me doubt about KK being scum.

I explained why I didn't go after Junpei. He was defending without giving much reasoning FC who I had a scum read on and giving him outs, then voted for him when he saw it was a loss cause (I have seen scum do this).
As for what KK stated I found myself agreeing with a few points because I saw scum and did as scum what he talked about with Slaxx doing for replacement. I also found multiple times Slaxx following others.
Example: Junpei starts arguing with KK and finding him scummy day 1 (in regards to KK's case) suddenly Slaxx mentions a post from Iknal (he never mentioned about before) and finds Iknal scummy.
Another example I see Jupei and FC finding me scum and for most of the day Slaxx found me town then suddenly I'm scum with no reasoning.
Scum Follow like that with no reasoning and if town does it, please show examples.
Slaxx still has not explained accurately why he never voted day 1 and made excuses on why he didn't (1) which was blaming me for a hammer and the other was for mass claim, which he was against from the start.

Farside quote to me where exactly you said Junpei-scum was dependent on FC-scum. I saw you pressed both and voted both for separate reasons.

ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU 3 FUCKING TIMES OR DIE IN A FIRE!

[farside22]

Farside:

1) I'm not going to do extra work I feel is unnecessary (I really think that there was little threat in following Psyche's post for reasons already stated in several posts of mine).

2) Why aren't you voting Kublai Khan?

1) Is it normal for you to believe in one post example from a player about meta?
2) Because Slaxx is scum.

your iso has about 50,000 more words than i'm willing to read through right now. i'm going off his case and your interactions on this page.

I read this is I have no reason and laying shit words to explain why I agree with KK.
Slaxx still has not explained accurately why he never voted day 1 and made excuses on why he didn't (1) which was blaming me for a hammer and the other was for mass claim, which he was against from the start.

[farside22]

Sorry for the triple post, I'm tired. The last quote to Copter comment doesn't below.

Copter wrote:your iso has about 50,000 more words than i'm willing to read through right now. i'm going off his case and your interactions on this page.

What beside gut makes Slaxx town and me scum?

[farside22]

I want to point out one last thing that I noticed since today started. Not a single person has put a case that I have not responded to on me. While you have Slaxx and copter just sitting there not making a case and following along in this game.
If you want to lynch me that's fine. This town will lose if all anyone does is follow, argue, not make cases and not listen to others because of one fucking comment from a person that you see as town.

[farside22]

Farside - What is your read on KK?

I think the case he had on Slaxx when he entered had merit. His points were different then anyone else in the game (which for me is a town tell). I think the case on you is a bit of a stretch a lot of which I just put on ignore because I don't agree with any of it and think the argument is invalid.
Frankly I think you have explained your actions fine and whatever KK is holding onto is pointless (mark against him). But I see a bit of tunnel vision from KK in regards to you (null). I take what iknal and KK has been to me and I lean town. The argument between the two of you basically needs to stop and you both need to stop yelling because no one is listening at this point.

[farside22]

VC 3.0

Deadline: Friday, July 13, 12am EST

.

Funny note: The same day of this deadline is the same day my last day at work is.
*starts dancing inside for last day of work thoughts*

[farside22]

YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING MORONS!
I HAVE REPEATEDLY ASKED QUESTIONS TO SLAXX HE NEVER ANSWER AND EACH ONE YOU PEOPLE DEFENDED HIM WHEN HE NEVER, EVER MADE A FUCKING CASE ON ANYONE IN THIS GAME!

farsides case on slaxx that Slaxx never, ever responded to case

Questions Slaxx never answered:

Please tell me if there is an incentive in your head for scum to push a wagon on you, what would they gain when there is still another day they could be lynched and all they did was "tunnel you"?

Quick, who is scum if KK is town?

@ Slaxx: Will you ever explain how it is you saw me as scum with DLG (now tammy) but had the scum team as KK/farside? Will you ever explain why it is you have excuses for day 1 on why you never voted that were false?



A couple of things
1) I explained why I didn't go into mass claim commenting. What is sketchy about it? Use words more then sketchy.
2) Why do you say the bold and in the next post vote for me?
3) You have taken most people off the list, but are sure I'm scum because why and with whom for what reason?



Wow what a misrepresentation of facts. You seriously blaming me for hammering someone for your lack of vote is the lamest excuse I heard this game.
You could have voted any time after the mass claim. Why did you never cast a vote. Stop delaying an answer to that fucking question or lying about reason's for not voting.

One thing I want to add to this is when I asked him about his lack of voting his reasoning was he was waiting for mass claim to happen before voting. After mass claim was done the reason he didn't vote for anyone was......?????

My point bulletin is a bit short:

1) lack of voting history.
2) floating on the edge of commentary. I noticed for example when Junpei mentions he finds KK scummy, then suddenly Slaxx remembers a post almost 200 post ago from Iknal that he never comment about before
3) Ever changing views with no reasoning to them. One moment DGL has a town mind set, then null, then scummy.
4) False/misrepresentation of fact (see post 418 from Slaxx).
4a) His pairs are based on interaction that are false, however seems to only put KK with me for no reason stated other then POE
5) Noted buddying of Jun and Psyche, Psyche was early game, with following of Jun late in day one. (see late into day one and once Jun comments about a player, Slaxx vomit of repeating the same crap)
6) just today, way, way over reaction to pressure of votes, panic over two votes and calls it scum looking for a mislynch
7) redirecting away from himself and onto others

THIS PLACE HAS ALLOWED A FUCKING PLAYER TO SLACK THROUGHOUT THIS GAME DOING SHIT ALL BUT FOLLOWING AND NEVER RESPONDING THIS THESE POINTS IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF.

STOP FUCKING FIGHTING AND PUT PRESSURE ON SLAXX TOMORROW

VOTE: FARSIDE22

[farside22]

I ALSO WANT TO SAY THERE WAS NEVER A FUCKING CASE ON ME AND THIS WAS THE WORST GAME I HAVE PLAYED IN MY 4 YEARS ON MS.

unvote:
vote: farside22

Go lynch slaxx tomorrow if you have a fucking clue in you stupid heads there.

[farside22]

Not entirely sure. Could be bussing, positioning, or just wifom.

Usually if town is frustrated at a game, they will give other townies a better shot at victory by letting the lynch happen so it can be analyzed. I mean, if she's sincere about her frustration, she could have easily just waited for a response or ignored the rest of the day altogether.

Seriously?
Did your brain leap out of your head somewhere along the way?

IF YOU READ JACK SHIT OF WHAT I SAID AT ALL YOU WOULD KNOW I'M MOVING OUT OF CALIFORNIA. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO POST LATER WHEN I GET HOME BECAUSE I'M FUCKING PACKING.

YOU SERIOUSLY THINK SCUM IS GOING TO SELF HAMMER BECAUSE OF 12 FUCKING HOURS AND POINT OUT THE CASE THEY HAVE BEEN RANTING ALL FUCKING DAY 2?

SERIOUSLY EITHER GO BACK AND ASK GOD FOR A NEW BRAIN OR STOP PLAYING THIS GAME.

[farside22]

YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING MORONS!
I HAVE REPEATEDLY ASKED QUESTIONS TO SLAXX HE NEVER ANSWER AND EACH ONE YOU PEOPLE DEFENDED HIM WHEN HE NEVER, EVER MADE A FUCKING CASE ON ANYONE IN THIS GAME!

farsides case on slaxx that Slaxx never, ever responded to case

Questions Slaxx never answered:

Please tell me if there is an incentive in your head for scum to push a wagon on you, what would they gain when there is still another day they could be lynched and all they did was "tunnel you"?

Quick, who is scum if KK is town?

@ Slaxx: Will you ever explain how it is you saw me as scum with DLG (now tammy) but had the scum team as KK/farside? Will you ever explain why it is you have excuses for day 1 on why you never voted that were false?



A couple of things
1) I explained why I didn't go into mass claim commenting. What is sketchy about it? Use words more then sketchy.
2) Why do you say the bold and in the next post vote for me?
3) You have taken most people off the list, but are sure I'm scum because why and with whom for what reason?



Wow what a misrepresentation of facts. You seriously blaming me for hammering someone for your lack of vote is the lamest excuse I heard this game.
You could have voted any time after the mass claim. Why did you never cast a vote. Stop delaying an answer to that fucking question or lying about reason's for not voting.

One thing I want to add to this is when I asked him about his lack of voting his reasoning was he was waiting for mass claim to happen before voting. After mass claim was done the reason he didn't vote for anyone was......?????

My point bulletin is a bit short:

1) lack of voting history.
2) floating on the edge of commentary. I noticed for example when Junpei mentions he finds KK scummy, then suddenly Slaxx remembers a post almost 200 post ago from Iknal that he never comment about before
3) Ever changing views with no reasoning to them. One moment DGL has a town mind set, then null, then scummy.
4) False/misrepresentation of fact (see post 418 from Slaxx).
4a) His pairs are based on interaction that are false, however seems to only put KK with me for no reason stated other then POE
5) Noted buddying of Jun and Psyche, Psyche was early game, with following of Jun late in day one. (see late into day one and once Jun comments about a player, Slaxx vomit of repeating the same crap)
6) just today, way, way over reaction to pressure of votes, panic over two votes and calls it scum looking for a mislynch
7) redirecting away from himself and onto others

THIS PLACE HAS ALLOWED A FUCKING PLAYER TO SLACK THROUGHOUT THIS GAME DOING SHIT ALL BUT FOLLOWING AND NEVER RESPONDING THIS THESE POINTS IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF.

STOP FUCKING FIGHTING AND PUT PRESSURE ON SLAXX TOMORROW

VOTE: FARSIDE22

Also I'm going to keep this quote going till the I leave for work with every post so no one fucking forgets slaxx.

[farside22]

I still don't understand why you voted yourself though. I don't think your lynch was a foregone conclusion.

What is your read on Junpei?

Also on roflcopter?

1) no one is fucking listening to me and RD put me at L-1. Deadline is today, how is my lynch not a forgone conclusion?
2) Either Jupei or copter is scum with Slaxx. I'm leaning on copter because of Pyche's blatant lie about why he was replacing out and how copter comes in the game, declare Slaxx town and me scum with no reasoning at all. Plus all Pyche did in the game was an lol gambit and disappear without putting anything into the game worth a crap.
Junpei had some comments in the game that pretty much are just buzz words that don't explain anything at all. None of his cases this game are worth the paper he wrote it on. A part of me thought when I started seeing Slaxx scumminess the vote on Junpei day one with no reasoning could be scum bussing for brownie points (if Slaxx is the scum RB I would look hard at Junpei as a possible goon).

[farside22]

But I think that Junpei was a viable lynch today over you, so I'm still at a loss.

I'll take another look at Slaxx if you do flip town though. There were a couple things that had me doubting myself, which is pretty evident in the things I posted and questions I asked. I wouldn't vote him today over it, but it was enough to give me a bit of pause.

Do you really think that copter would have just come in and declared his buddy town by gut and follow his read?

Knowing copter as I do, yes.

You seriously thinking I'm scum with this back and forth and my lynch already happening? Seriously that's just stupid thinking.

As for Junpei.....who was voting for him other then RD? Slaxx.......hell no he is pushing my lynch (with no case ever put in the thread) and KK as much as possible and even though he declared you as town he says he's thinking we can be scum together. How much fucking sense does that make?
You think mr. copter who is doing nothing this game will switch? He doesn't care about this game (nothing town about that). He would rather float by doing shit like Pyche did this game and hope no one notices. You think KK is going to switch? Shit that person is too tunnel and the fact he thinks a person would rant like I did and still say I'm probably scum is not worth the time it takes to lynch anyone.

[farside22]

Still determined for this to be my last post and hope the mod ends the day now:


YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING MORONS!
I HAVE REPEATEDLY ASKED QUESTIONS TO SLAXX HE NEVER ANSWER AND EACH ONE YOU PEOPLE DEFENDED HIM WHEN HE NEVER, EVER MADE A FUCKING CASE ON ANYONE IN THIS GAME!

farsides case on slaxx that Slaxx never, ever responded to case

Questions Slaxx never answered:

Please tell me if there is an incentive in your head for scum to push a wagon on you, what would they gain when there is still another day they could be lynched and all they did was "tunnel you"?

Quick, who is scum if KK is town?

@ Slaxx: Will you ever explain how it is you saw me as scum with DLG (now tammy) but had the scum team as KK/farside? Will you ever explain why it is you have excuses for day 1 on why you never voted that were false?



A couple of things
1) I explained why I didn't go into mass claim commenting. What is sketchy about it? Use words more then sketchy.
2) Why do you say the bold and in the next post vote for me?
3) You have taken most people off the list, but are sure I'm scum because why and with whom for what reason?



Wow what a misrepresentation of facts. You seriously blaming me for hammering someone for your lack of vote is the lamest excuse I heard this game.
You could have voted any time after the mass claim. Why did you never cast a vote. Stop delaying an answer to that fucking question or lying about reason's for not voting.

One thing I want to add to this is when I asked him about his lack of voting his reasoning was he was waiting for mass claim to happen before voting. After mass claim was done the reason he didn't vote for anyone was......?????

My point bulletin is a bit short:

1) lack of voting history.
2) floating on the edge of commentary. I noticed for example when Junpei mentions he finds KK scummy, then suddenly Slaxx remembers a post almost 200 post ago from Iknal that he never comment about before
3) Ever changing views with no reasoning to them. One moment DGL has a town mind set, then null, then scummy.
4) False/misrepresentation of fact (see post 418 from Slaxx).
4a) His pairs are based on interaction that are false, however seems to only put KK with me for no reason stated other then POE
5) Noted buddying of Jun and Psyche, Psyche was early game, with following of Jun late in day one. (see late into day one and once Jun comments about a player, Slaxx vomit of repeating the same crap)
6) just today, way, way over reaction to pressure of votes, panic over two votes and calls it scum looking for a mislynch
7) redirecting away from himself and onto others

THIS PLACE HAS ALLOWED A FUCKING PLAYER TO SLACK THROUGHOUT THIS GAME DOING SHIT ALL BUT FOLLOWING AND NEVER RESPONDING THIS THESE POINTS IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF.

STOP FUCKING FIGHTING AND PUT PRESSURE ON SLAXX TOMORROW

[farside22]

Sorry farside, I forgot you were moving.

I still don't understand why you would prematurely hammer if you're not scum. Whynot a "hey, I won't be around. Slaxx is scum for (reasons). Bye"?

As I said day 1. I want my thoughts on who is scum to stand out at the start of the day. I will rant and rave and make damn fucking sure no one forgets those things they fucking ignored through out the whole day that Slaxx completely ignored and got around thanks in part to RD and Tammy and Junpei for completely giving him all the outs a scum could ever ask, while never having to explain his actions or case to anyone.

Have I mentioned what a fucking fantastic job players are doing in letting people skate by in this game with an actual case and declare people town based on one post.
Great job to you 3. If you are all town, then congrats of totally fucking the town over.

Sincerely

farside

[farside22]

Also KK: I have stated my views on Slaxx all fucking day 2 and no one listen. Look I hammer tell people I'm town and now, now they are fucking paying attention.
My job as VT is good and done with my points made now.

[farside22]

I said yesterday I was having my doubts on you being scum because you seemed so genuine with every post. (Copter told me afterwards that genuine wasn't a way to read people.)

I say "if", not that I think it's a foregone conclusion, but to allow for the possibility.

That's because copter is scum and doesn't want anyone to listen to me. He's hoping by telling you to ignore something I'm saying you will ignore everything I'm saying and lynch me. Scum win with every mislynch.

[farside22]

okay leaving for my last day of work.
Someone better make fucking sure that Slaxx responds to these points, questions and the case he completely ignored all fucking day.

Still determined for this to be my last post and hope the mod ends the day now:


YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING MORONS!
I HAVE REPEATEDLY ASKED QUESTIONS TO SLAXX HE NEVER ANSWER AND EACH ONE YOU PEOPLE DEFENDED HIM WHEN HE NEVER, EVER MADE A FUCKING CASE ON ANYONE IN THIS GAME!

farsides case on slaxx that Slaxx never, ever responded to case

Questions Slaxx never answered:

Please tell me if there is an incentive in your head for scum to push a wagon on you, what would they gain when there is still another day they could be lynched and all they did was "tunnel you"?

Quick, who is scum if KK is town?

@ Slaxx: Will you ever explain how it is you saw me as scum with DLG (now tammy) but had the scum team as KK/farside? Will you ever explain why it is you have excuses for day 1 on why you never voted that were false?



A couple of things
1) I explained why I didn't go into mass claim commenting. What is sketchy about it? Use words more then sketchy.
2) Why do you say the bold and in the next post vote for me?
3) You have taken most people off the list, but are sure I'm scum because why and with whom for what reason?



Wow what a misrepresentation of facts. You seriously blaming me for hammering someone for your lack of vote is the lamest excuse I heard this game.
You could have voted any time after the mass claim. Why did you never cast a vote. Stop delaying an answer to that fucking question or lying about reason's for not voting.

One thing I want to add to this is when I asked him about his lack of voting his reasoning was he was waiting for mass claim to happen before voting. After mass claim was done the reason he didn't vote for anyone was......?????

My point bulletin is a bit short:

1) lack of voting history.
2) floating on the edge of commentary. I noticed for example when Junpei mentions he finds KK scummy, then suddenly Slaxx remembers a post almost 200 post ago from Iknal that he never comment about before
3) Ever changing views with no reasoning to them. One moment DGL has a town mind set, then null, then scummy.
4) False/misrepresentation of fact (see post 418 from Slaxx).
4a) His pairs are based on interaction that are false, however seems to only put KK with me for no reason stated other then POE
5) Noted buddying of Jun and Psyche, Psyche was early game, with following of Jun late in day one. (see late into day one and once Jun comments about a player, Slaxx vomit of repeating the same crap)
6) just today, way, way over reaction to pressure of votes, panic over two votes and calls it scum looking for a mislynch
7) redirecting away from himself and onto others

THIS PLACE HAS ALLOWED A FUCKING PLAYER TO SLACK THROUGHOUT THIS GAME DOING SHIT ALL BUT FOLLOWING AND NEVER RESPONDING THIS THESE POINTS IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF.

STOP FUCKING FIGHTING AND PUT PRESSURE ON SLAXX TOMORROW

[farside22]

Yeah Junepi is still scum for that reaction.

I'm not going to disagree. I say Junpei and Slaxx at this point. No way anyone would think scum rants like that. Scum doesn't rant consistently and repeatedly.
He's faking and doing a bad jump of faking.

[farside22]

My read on her is mafia - I have confidence in my conviction. Without confidence, you do what you do and waffle on everything. You can doubt yourself, I do all the time, but you have to come back with conviction anyway.

She could be laughing her ass off right now having fun with us, it is her last day of work after all and she's moving.

Hey if you really think I'm scum and not lying you willing to stop playing stop playing mafia for 6 months based on that "conviction" of a case you didn't stand by?

pfft

[farside22]

Contradiction time!!!!

My read on her is mafia - I have confidence in my conviction. Without confidence, you do what you do and waffle on everything. You can doubt yourself, I do all the time, but you have to come back with conviction anyway.

She could be laughing her ass off right now having fun with us, it is her last day of work after all and she's moving.

My read on her is mafia - I have confidence in my conviction. Without confidence, you do what you do and waffle on everything. You can doubt yourself, I do all the time, but you have to come back with conviction anyway.

She could be laughing her ass off right now having fun with us, it is her last day of work after all and she's moving.

Hey if you really think I'm scum and not lying you willing to stop playing stop playing mafia for 6 months based on that "conviction" of a case you didn't stand by?

pfft

Are you asking me if I'm willing to be 6 months of playing on your alignment?

No, I'm not, because there is a chance that I'm wrong and it's a bet that I've already won or loss and thus have no future impact on. Those are always the worst bets to take.

You have confidence but not enough to give up mafia.
GODIEINAFIRE

DON'T FUCKING FORGET MY CASE ON SLAXX OR EXPECT MY WRATH AFTER THIS GAME ENDS!

[farside22]

Still determined for this to be my last post and hope the mod ends the day now:


YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING MORONS!
I HAVE REPEATEDLY ASKED QUESTIONS TO SLAXX HE NEVER ANSWER AND EACH ONE YOU PEOPLE DEFENDED HIM WHEN HE NEVER, EVER MADE A FUCKING CASE ON ANYONE IN THIS GAME!

farsides case on slaxx that Slaxx never, ever responded to case

Questions Slaxx never answered:

Please tell me if there is an incentive in your head for scum to push a wagon on you, what would they gain when there is still another day they could be lynched and all they did was "tunnel you"?

Quick, who is scum if KK is town?

@ Slaxx: Will you ever explain how it is you saw me as scum with DLG (now tammy) but had the scum team as KK/farside? Will you ever explain why it is you have excuses for day 1 on why you never voted that were false?



A couple of things
1) I explained why I didn't go into mass claim commenting. What is sketchy about it? Use words more then sketchy.
2) Why do you say the bold and in the next post vote for me?
3) You have taken most people off the list, but are sure I'm scum because why and with whom for what reason?



Wow what a misrepresentation of facts. You seriously blaming me for hammering someone for your lack of vote is the lamest excuse I heard this game.
You could have voted any time after the mass claim. Why did you never cast a vote. Stop delaying an answer to that fucking question or lying about reason's for not voting.

One thing I want to add to this is when I asked him about his lack of voting his reasoning was he was waiting for mass claim to happen before voting. After mass claim was done the reason he didn't vote for anyone was......?????

My point bulletin is a bit short:

1) lack of voting history.
2) floating on the edge of commentary. I noticed for example when Junpei mentions he finds KK scummy, then suddenly Slaxx remembers a post almost 200 post ago from Iknal that he never comment about before
3) Ever changing views with no reasoning to them. One moment DGL has a town mind set, then null, then scummy.
4) False/misrepresentation of fact (see post 418 from Slaxx).
4a) His pairs are based on interaction that are false, however seems to only put KK with me for no reason stated other then POE
5) Noted buddying of Jun and Psyche, Psyche was early game, with following of Jun late in day one. (see late into day one and once Jun comments about a player, Slaxx vomit of repeating the same crap)
6) just today, way, way over reaction to pressure of votes, panic over two votes and calls it scum looking for a mislynch
7) redirecting away from himself and onto others

THIS PLACE HAS ALLOWED A FUCKING PLAYER TO SLACK THROUGHOUT THIS GAME DOING SHIT ALL BUT FOLLOWING AND NEVER RESPONDING THIS THESE POINTS IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF.

STOP FUCKING FIGHTING AND PUT PRESSURE ON SLAXX TOMORROW

[farside22]

Learn to read already... you haven't been good at reading all game long and I must assume you're holding a bluff all game because you can't be this senile.

I said that I doubt myself all the time. I accept the fact that I could be wrong, and consider it every time I consider my read. That doesn't stop me from going with conviction when I make use of my read.
.

You so your just a moron that thinks scum rants or your scum then? Which is it?

I'm not going to respond to a case, sorry. I don't see what that accomplishes besides huge walls. You've already made up your mind anyway. If you have questions I havent already answered, go for it.

I've answered those questions btw. I don't know what the hell you were thinking, as town, saying "X and Y are scum" then dropping Y the next day because X was town. That looks like psuedo-pressuring the Y scumbuddy without actually having to pressure him. If it wasn't obvious, I thought it might be Farside+Jun for a bit because she dropped him off the face of the planet after a FatCat townflip, which would make perfect sense if it was Far+Jun.

The vote thing I have explained, idk wtf else you want for me. You're acting like a six year old right now.

Also, as other people have said, the fucking early hammer. Who does that even.

Quote where you made a fucking case on me.
Quote where you fucking explained why you made excuses for not voting day 1 being that mass claim and them my hammer and not voting inbetween when there was fucking time.
Quote where you explained how I was scum with DGL but you had me tied with KK based on POE.
Quote where you explained why you never once mentioned having an issue about Iknal till post 418

*Looks in the game* Thats right you can't fucking quote something that does not exist.

Die lying fucking scum die

[farside22]

Oh and look we are still talking but did Slaxx make a case or copter make a case ever today?

Nope instead I get how dare you hammer yourself attitude when no one fucking read what I wrote. Look at the scum fucking wetting themselves.
12 hours with no one listening doesn't fucking do shit. I explained that Junpei. Did you miss it? Or are you just being an ass for being called out on something that makes no sense to anyone in this game.

[farside22]

OH AND FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME THIS GAME I EXPLAINED WHY MY READ DROPPED FROM JUNPEI TO SLAXX, BUT I KNOW READING IS NOT FOR YOU SLAXX, YOU MADE THAT MORE THEN CLEAR THIS GAME.

[farside22]

Why the fuck do you think there has to be a case made to get a lynch through

I never did

If I recal correctly everyone was ready to lynch fatcat and he was at L-1 or being put somewhere in L-2 to L-1 so what the fuck is the point of a vote elsewhere. Is anyone not voting at the hammer scum? No. Derp.

I had to hunt through my ISO to find where I had you as scum with DLG and all I found was a "possible teams" thing and right above it I said ANYONE works with KK, so yeah, fuck you.

I don't even know what that last one is addressing

Saying derp your scum and should be lynch and disappearing for days on end and not answering questions is not town.
I saw your meta you make cases....so lets add that to another lie for Slaxx

In regards to FC, I was scum hammering early, right? That's what you said it was a scummy hammer but you were willing to vote for FC. You didn't think anyone else to vote and didn't want to vote for DGL that you kept calling scum till 418 for no fucking reason. You thought KK was scum at 418 and didn't vote him. Your just full of stupid and bs reasons.

You never once explained why you had the scum team it came out of your ass

you keep harping about how I didn't attack Junpei today and attacked you and I explained my reason. So yeah you just held onto something in the hopes people would ignore I answered the question to why I was not attacking Jun.
And the whole KK/farside makes as much sense as Tammy/me. There was/is no tie. You never once explained it and now you should be looked at as the person who did nothing but follow and derp people with the hopes that no one would notice your lurkiness.

[farside22]

You're seriously embarassing yourself here

Just saying

Who is scum Slaxx?
Who the fuck is scum and why? Tell me if you are saying I'm wrong!