Mini 1373 - Oh My! (Game Over)

[denisatp]

Confirm

[denisatp]

VOTE: satire anxious scum

[denisatp]

Guys, can you let me relish in the fact that my first post on MS is an RVS vote on Hibiki?

Thanks.

your first postings was in sign ups thread, fosing satire for telling lies

lynch all liars

[denisatp]

MAN I WAS READING DAY 1 AND THOUGHT REDTAIL'S QUESTIONING OF A RV WAS BULLSHIT AND WAS GOING TO VOTE HIM OVER IT BUT YOU FUCKERS BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH.

[denisatp]

VOTE: redtail

[denisatp]

Well I apologize that I don't have your highly developed sense of humor. Also, the game is only 90 minutes old; bit early for lurking accusations.

My vote stays right where it is.

sarcastic apology followed with not understanding another joke followed with telling us that his vote is staying where it is ( a vote based on being third to vote and not understanding a joke)

[denisatp]

okay going to do a scouting report on redtail

[denisatp]

more votings on redtail pls

i think i put him at L1

[denisatp]

okay back from the scouting report.

[denisatp]

found nothing substantial

[denisatp]

okay claim redtail

[denisatp]

vote: redtail

quickhammered, also owned

shitty reaction test

[denisatp]

how does jailer work here

[denisatp]

okay leave him alive so he can jail me and i can stay alive and lead town down the golden road

[denisatp]

Page four and someone is already at L-1? This should be fun. Crypto, mind explaining the logic behind a quicklynch?

to get the game rolling

[denisatp]

you know i had this thought. if mafia played well enough couldn't they keep the game at rvs infinitely since there's no content and force town to claim to generate content.

[denisatp]

sarcastic apology followed with not understanding another joke followed with telling us that his vote is staying where it is ( a vote based on being third to vote and not understanding a joke)

Again, you're planning to lynch me based on my vote? Given what I had to go on, that was totally reasonable. He jumped on an early wagon, then made a bs random vote even among bs random votes. As for the lurking "joke"; at what point does a statement like that become an actual statement instead of a crappy joke? I took that post at its face value.

Preview edit: Well shit, I'm L-1. That was fast.

Claim: Jailkeeper

big fosings on redtail for not saying he is a TOWN jailer. possible scumslip, very very scummy to me

man ur scum arent u...

[denisatp]

you know i had this thought. if mafia played well enough couldn't they keep the game at rvs infinitely since there's no content and force town to claim to generate content.

no shut up your wrong

why tho

[denisatp]

big fosings on redtail for not saying he is a TOWN jailer. possible scumslip, very very scummy to me

If I had claimed cop, I guarantee you wouldn't be saying this.

The word "town" is unnecessary. Of course I'm claiming town. Personally, I would find it more suspicious if I had felt the need to emphasize TOWN jailkeeper.

okay answer a few questions for me (it'll help me get a read on you)
1. played on any different forums?
2. how many games did you play here?
3. favorite position?
4. dominant or submissive?

[denisatp]

you know i had this thought. if mafia played well enough couldn't they keep the game at rvs infinitely since there's no content and force town to claim to generate content.

no shut up your wrong

why tho

hrm, *strokes neckbeard*, well, you see, after my numerous readings of the scientists in mafia discussion, i came to the conclusion that

im going to stroke your neck with my fist

[denisatp]

Vote Count 4

redtail896 (5) - petapan, satire, projectmatt, denisatp, Synaesthesia, crypto
Crypto (1) - redtail896

Not Voting: horrordude0125, Hibiki, deadjoker, tuxedomask, sach, robertmontana,

7 to lynch

u miss counted it's redtail896(6)
ur welcome

[denisatp]

i feel like im obvious town in forum mafia

[denisatp]

doctor should be on me giras gonna kill me tonight

[denisatp]

im not sure if this is hibiki "bad at forum mafia" strider or hibiki "scum" strider

[denisatp]

satire is town. the way he went out of his way to write up that dumb wall of text seemed like really freaking forced town. it's hard to explain but it's like a combination of his tone/thought process

[denisatp]

im not sure if this is hibiki "bad at forum mafia" strider or hibiki "scum" strider

petapan answer?

[denisatp]

okay cop here who do i investigate.

[denisatp]

im not sure if this is hibiki "bad at forum mafia" strider or hibiki "scum" strider

petapan answer?

no but we can lynch syn and hibiki back to back

why do you think this instead of just misreading me since he doesn't play forum mafia

[denisatp]

the game that i read of redtails when he was scum he spouted walls of bullshit rhetoric and as town he was a bit more straight foward but i fucking skimmed that shit so don't take my word for it

[denisatp]

nah you can't lynch me, i'm a cop

are you seriously fucking cc'ing me

[denisatp]

the game that i read of redtails when he was scum he spouted walls of bullshit rhetoric and as town he was a bit more straight foward but i fucking skimmed that shit so don't take my word for it

getting caught in rvs is different from an extended game

tendencies as scum shine in any situation

[denisatp]

im not sure if this is hibiki "bad at forum mafia" strider or hibiki "scum" strider

petapan answer?

what do you think has been my implicit stance the last few pages

kind of went out of my mind. who are you investigating tonight?

[denisatp]

fosing denis for trying to set up a player to frame with mafia framer, scummy to me

will my fist be fucking scummy to u

[denisatp]

dude you're like 14

opi mod kill plz

[denisatp]

3 days, then 2 more for them to post or they're replaced, which means we'll probably have to wait a week for Sach to be replaced since she'll be too afraid of me to post

'she wants u she just doesnt know how 2 go about it

[denisatp]

hey dave quickhammer right now

[denisatp]

Users browsing this forum: denisatp, pieceofpecanpie, Sach

hello sachy

[denisatp]

lmao she logged of what the fuck

[denisatp]

dave is scum and tried to use the "claim was so gimmicky" defense.

[denisatp]

i actually really want to wuss out the way you guys are egging it on

if you're going to wuss out we're all just going to bandwagon fucking dave or sys

[denisatp]

dave is scum and tried to use the "claim was so gimmicky" defense.

gimmicky isn't the right word but what i said still stands and his defense of red was basically the equivalent of a "why would he claim cop with inno on dead" defense

[denisatp]

dave is scum and tried to use the "claim was so gimmicky" defense.

lynch me bitch

i mean youre talking about a post-flip lynch without the flip so i mean if you think im hard defending my partner youre hella dumb as fuck

your pussy-footing around the lynch is still bad

[denisatp]

dave is scum and tried to use the "claim was so gimmicky" defense.

gimmicky isn't the right word but what i said still stands and his defense of red was basically the equivalent of a "why would he claim cop with inno on dead" defense

actually it wasnt like that at all and i dont have an analogy to compare it to so i'll just have to give it a Youre Wrong Bitch

this sure isn't how you reacted to peta ;/

[denisatp]

i feel like being really confrontational with a player who you're not scared of while not being nearly as confrontational with a player you're scared of is another scumtell.

[denisatp]

Who hasn't posted yet?

[denisatp]

Yeah I agree w/r/t petapan possibly being scum.

[denisatp]

Holy fuck. 11 pages in 2 days? I'm posting from work right now, so I'll tackle the entire thread tonight.

tackle it like a linebacker or quarterback

[denisatp]

nothing 2 say atm

[denisatp]

A flower for milady Sach, whose feminine graces confirm her as an upstanding member of the village

*hands Sach a rose*

Nothing: horror whoever else hasnt said anything and Tuxedo.

And I'm keeping my current vote.

He is the champion the town needs.

...

[denisatp]

Chill denis the champion thing was a joke.

more like a freaking slip

[denisatp]

I retract all townreads on the charlatan denisatp

i was joshing

[denisatp]

this game is taking a turn for the nauseating.

[denisatp]

Okay I'm death tunneling because this fuckerlord literally is just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.

[denisatp]

Like I'm not even sure he's reading what he's throwing shit at.

[denisatp]

Hibiki is flaking.

[denisatp]

I think that syn is scum but I'm not going to stop voting redtail.

[denisatp]

uncc'ed pr means shit at this point in an open game

[denisatp]

UNVOTE: redtail

VOTE: deadjoker

[denisatp]

deadjoker why did you just totally fucking ignore my silent vote on you when i didn't voice any suspicion before?

[denisatp]

ignoring deadjoker because i don't speak w/ teh scum

[denisatp]

also lmao at the "want to be taken seriously". I legitimately think this dude doesn't understand mafia.

[denisatp]

Peta knows who he is. Also, dave feels really awkward in this game and I'm not sure what to think of it.

[denisatp]

horrordude is going to be the permalurker slot that should be lynched before lylo, calling it now

why wouldn't he get replaced

Peta knows who he is. Also, dave feels really awkward in this game and I'm not sure what to think of it.

Agreed. So far, I have my lynch pool down to:

redtail
Synaesthesia
deadjoker
Hibiki
RobertMontana

Pretty much down with any of these five (horrordude is exempted until he inevitably talks/gets replaced). I'd be moving to Syn right now but the way people just kinda came up out of nowhere and lazily voted him + his recent post are really giving me pause. I'd like to see more substantive contributions from him before I settle on what I think of him.

The people who've expressed suspicion on projectmatt are doing so on hollow/non-existent logic imo.

Robert's posts are really irritating.

I'm fine with my vote where it is for the moment.

And that's all folks, see you in a couple of days.

yeah lets just lynch deadjoker

[denisatp]

Page four and someone is already at L-1? This should be fun. Crypto, mind explaining the logic behind a quicklynch?

bitching about somebody being at L-1 but not doing shit about it. asking crypto a question which he had answered before (i believe) and he didn't want an answer to this question.

petapan - That's what I've been trying to figure out. His RC was not countered, and as you stated earlier jailkeeper is one of the more popular PR, why would scum fake claim a role they know that is likely to exist? The only way this makes sense is that he figured he was going to get lynched, and thus wanted to flush out the jailkeeper before getting hammered. Admittedly that is pretty far fetched, but he stated he is exasperated which makes it plausible for me. So I think there is a good possibility he is scum.

refusing to lynch somebody on the basis of a claim in a open game. while also tipsy-toeing around giving a read on red. the "substance" in this post is also rhetoric.

As far as if red is town, projectmatt is scum. Twice he said he thinks red is town yet he has no problem leaving his vote on red who is at L-1.

these kind of partner tells is NOT how town thinks. this post is just totally fucking dumb.

deni - red claimed a PR that went unchallenged. His lynch isn't going down today.

VOTE: Synaesthesia I am not buying into his defense, too much AtE for my liking.

once again, he hides from the red lynch on the basis of a claim. then implies that AtE is a scumtell.

peta - Include yourself in that pool party, at least in the first few pages of this game. At least you had the good sense to remove yourself from it. And when I responded to you I still thought Red could be possibly scum and was trying to work through my analysis of his claim. You pointed out the flaw in my logic, and I adjusted my read. I do agree with you on one thing - in two posts Robert has shown that he will be useless.

smug post. trying to be totally friendly with peta while disagreeing with him.

deadjoker why did you just totally fucking ignore my silent vote on you when i didn't voice any suspicion before?

I called you bad town or bad scum and called Red town (who you apparently have a "death tunnel" on). Your OMGUS vote on me didn't change my views on you and warranted no more interaction. Want to be taken seriously? Start posting substance, or push my wagon. Your obvious reaction fish is obvious - gimmicks are weak.

trying to imply that i'm scum because i changed my death-tunnel while also saying that my reaction fishes are weak, a contradiction. the tone in this post is awful. once again, tipsy-toes around giving a read on me while heavily implying that im scum.

satire - The fact that red hasn't been counterclaimed either means that he really is the JK, the real JK hasn't counterclaimed yet, or that he is scum who fakeclaimed but there is no JK to counterclaim. I find it hard to believe a PR wouldn't jump at the chance to go 1 for 1 this early in the game. And a JK is one of the more popular PRs on mafiascum, indicating it is unlikely that there isn't one in this game, making possibility 3 also unlikely. So the most likely option is he really is the JK. That is why I said he is town until proven otherwise. If anyone disagrees with me, please let me know.

avoiding a read/lynch based on a uncc'ed claim in a open setup.

Tuxedo - explain riddler logic.

i understand that he didn't know what riddler-logic is but this is another question which he didn't want the answer for and asked for the sake of asking and feigning participation.

[denisatp]

My defense of red is based off my own personal experiences with a very similar situation. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=21340

That game and this one share a lot of similarities. For the abridged version - monkeyman was at L-1 on D1 and claimed a PR that was not challenged. I pushed against the wagon and but he was lynched anyway (monkey flipped the PR that he claimed), and I received major heat for defending monkey.

stopped reading right there.
a. two different players so the situation is already different.
b. it's a fucking open setup
c. as peta said, jb is the go-to claim for a mafia roleblocker. im not sure the role that monkey claimed is the go-to claim for mafia. (didn't read the game)

[denisatp]

My defense of red is based off my own personal experiences with a very similar situation. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=21340

That game and this one share a lot of similarities. For the abridged version - monkeyman was at L-1 on D1 and claimed a PR that was not challenged. I pushed against the wagon and but he was lynched anyway (monkey flipped the PR that he claimed), and I received major heat for defending monkey.

stopped reading right there.
a. two different players so the situation is already different.
b. it's a fucking open setup
c. as peta said, jb is the go-to claim for a mafia roleblocker. im not sure the role that monkey claimed is the go-to claim for mafia. (didn't read the game)

*jk not jb

[denisatp]

Lynch Deadjoker.

[denisatp]

mis-reading me so hideously is another scumtell or a "horrible at mafia" tell , he should be lynched either way.

[denisatp]

hibiki who r u voting right now

[denisatp]

mad that you've been on this site for 4 years and are literally terrible no matter what you flip.

[denisatp]

robert is scum for this dumb smug posting

[denisatp]

Hey robert, you have your next post to claim you're pulling some poorly-planned mafiascum.net reaction test on me or I'm going to call a 1v1 on you

yep

[denisatp]

im going to vote deadjoker because he's scum and just as useless

[denisatp]

im going to vote deadjoker because he's scum and just as useless

As pointed out, both syn and Robert are being less helpful than deadjoker at the moment.

Robert: this is unhelpful in the extreme. How about a little elaboration?

Horror: still waiting on that post.

Hibiki: would you rather lynch syn or deadjoker? More precisely: why aren't you voting somebody?

horror; just isn't here
robert: has posted like 5 things and they've all been really smug pretentious statements
deadjoker; posted a ton but tipsy-toed around posting any direct reads and actually pushing on them along with posting nothing with actual substance.

[denisatp]

this is dumb lynch deadjoker

[denisatp]

not going to change my vote but i'm not going to protest this either it's just like w/e.

[denisatp]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Robert

[denisatp]

Horror: if this is a closed setup please do tell us the setup.

So many idiots/scummy people yet so little mafia slots.

[denisatp]

Tuxedomask please do explain PETA being obvious town.

[denisatp]

Horror: if this is a closed setup please do tell us the setup.

So many idiots/scummy people yet so little mafia slots.

you have the terms mixed up dude

uhm. we don't know the setup so it's an open, right?

[denisatp]

Central Park
This forum is for Open Games, which use a known setup.

you could at the very least look at the forums

suck my dick faggot. it's not my fault these terms don't make any logical fault

[denisatp]

Central Park
This forum is for Open Games, which use a known setup.

you could at the very least look at the forums

suck my dick faggot. it's not my fault these terms don't make any logical fault

you're fucking retarded denis

open means the setup is not hidden from anyone how is that hard to grasp

but it could also mean open as in open to teh realm of possibility

[denisatp]

shut up

no u

[denisatp]

UNVOTE:
we're going to massclaim.
i'm gunsmith. i don't give out guns i check if people have them.

[denisatp]

VOTE: redtailokay i lied.
jailkeeper here.

[denisatp]

or we can kill redtail

[denisatp]

okay im joking im actually a villager but the likelihood of both a roleblocker and jk being in the same setup seem low so i'm voting redtail or deadjoker

[denisatp]

Posting from my phone to say god fucking damn it I had this fucker voted for over 10 fucking pages why the fuck didn't I push this with more confidence

UNVOTE

VOTE: redtail

posting on my computer to say god damn your gay and dick loving

[denisatp]

people who at one point or another have scum told to me: hibiki/tuxedomask/redtail/petapan/syn/horrordude/deadjoker/robert.
who i think is actually scum out of these people: deadjoker/redtail or robert/ no freakin clue

[denisatp]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: deadjoker

[denisatp]

wee dead game

i don't think you know what a dead game is

[denisatp]

Meh. We're basically at a standstill might as well lynch dj

[denisatp]

somebody needs to hammar

[denisatp]

he needs to claim before I mmer, fucker

give him 20 hours

[denisatp]

plz empty quote if you're a fellow Faggot.

[denisatp]

so can i be auto-cleared when/if deadjoker flips scum

[denisatp]

a mass-claim would make this game so easy for me and the other blues. we should do it

[denisatp]

if jailer jails somebody is there like a jailer meeting/qt? is it possible to confirm if somebody jailed you?

[denisatp]

okay i read the wiki nvm

[denisatp]

You get no result if you have an imvestigative role - only way to tell.

im not so i cant confirm shit w/e

[denisatp]

not rlly sure why you thought i was a good jail target tho

[denisatp]

@mod: update post 0 please

[denisatp]

not rlly sure why you thought i was a good jail target tho

the claim thing you did at the end of day 1

wasn't talking to u

[denisatp]

was going to ask that yesterday but i was scared of looking stupid lol

even though its a rly hard towntell that i just invalidated

3 usually

[denisatp]

I was actually thinking about it while rubbing soap all over my body in the shower and I'd be fine with a massclaim since it's basically autowin if there's no doc/other protective role (unless there's something I overlooked).

This post feels so Genuine

[denisatp]

ill initiate the massclaim if like 2 more people give it the go. dave do me a favor and list who gave it the thumbs up or the "w/e" for reference ty.

[denisatp]

okay tuxedomask go

[denisatp]

okay petapan i want you to claim next

[denisatp]

okay i want hibiki and crypto to claim and then i'll claim. even tho i can claim now since it doesn't matter idrc

[denisatp]

Okay so we have.
Peta- vt
Tuxedo- vt
Crypto- vt
Robert- roleblocker
Redtail- jailkeeper
I'm a vt.
Who am I missing on this list/ who hasng claimed.

[denisatp]

Okay let sach claim then syn then horror then pj imo

[denisatp]

Somebody remind pj about this site

[denisatp]

Why the heck can't he grab his parents smart phone and make a post.

[denisatp]

"Y'all"

Die

[denisatp]

Vote Count 3

redtail896 (1) - Satire, crypto
Tuxedomask (1) - RobertMontana
RobertMontanna (1) - tuxedomask

Not Voting: redtail896, sach, denisatp, petapan, projectmatt, satire, Hibiki, horrordude0215, Synaesthesia

7 to lynch

its redtail (2)

[denisatp]

coron as town president (democratically elected) i'm going to ask you to claim

[denisatp]

okay you can read 18 pages and then claim

[denisatp]

us being this far ahead is precisely why claiming is a Good Idea

No generally when you are far ahead you want to continue to gather information for later in the game rather than out your power roles. Especially when it is extremely unlikely that we have a doctor, so there is no way to protect an investigative role that claims.

we supposedly have a jailkeeper which is good enough in terms of keeping the role alive. please claim

[denisatp]

okay great analysis please claim

[denisatp]

VOTE: coron

[denisatp]

my initial feel and information on this game:


5. satire (Scum read)
6. TuxedoMask (apon further review somewhat scummy... although he was against the mass claim so I guess that's a point in his favor)
7. Hibiki(mild town read)
8. crypto(no content, doesn't have an avatar and his posting style bothers me... and what he has posted has not seemed very pro-town)
9. Sach(like has almost literally posted nothing wat)
10. horrordude0215(only has one content post, but it was a town-read post)
11. RobertMontana (claimed RB, target was Tux Mask. I'd say I have an overall weak town read here)
12. redtail896 (claimed JK, target was denisatp. another weak town read)
13. Coron (Obv Town)

I'm going to pause now to consider whether having the last (2?) unclaimed people claim is a good idea and also to consider what we should do with our roleblockers in general.

Also jailkeep is RPS in terms of keeping power roles alive. If you target them and so does mafia they don't get a kill, if you target them and mafia doesn't mafia doesn't you just cost yourself an investigation. If neither of you target them then it's totally cool. If mafia targets them and you don't then you lose your power role. It's not really great to be honest.

all these reads bother me, the wording of every read in this list bothers me.

[denisatp]

5. how in the ever living fuck is satire scum telling.
7. the read itself doesn't really bother me forgot to take that out w/e.
13. lol i'm pretty sure petapan brought this up in some game where he has a theory where scum are more likely to include themselves in their reads and regfan also approved of it. either way it's fucking useless and dumb

[denisatp]

UNVOTE: coronmeh
im going to reread and find teh scum when i feel like it later

[denisatp]

i actually agree with coron's points on satire

i dont agree with the conclusion he drew from them but i could see the logic behind them

[denisatp]

why are you being such a no-effort crypto its not exactly a bad game

and stalin wasn't exactly a bad guy

[denisatp]

this game owns, actually. crypto's just being crypto.

willing to bet one account deletion that town loses

[denisatp]

i'll do an iso of tuxedomask when i feel like it as i've said before

[denisatp]

Ok, I was typing up what I thought was going to be a massive wallpost but then I realized I've gotten progressively lazier as this game has gone on. Instead I'm going to just write a catch-all post.

I think Denis, Hibiki, and Sach are all very unlikely to be partnered up with deadjoker. W/r/t the first two, I think they do much to push a case on deadjoker well before his lynch seemed like an inevitability or even a very strong consideration. I also have a hard time seeing the way deadjoker addresses them both (in posts 317, 393, and 395) as him talking to his partner(s). Sach also seems to push deadjoker as a top priority lynch but I guess not as uhhh...vigorously (?) as the other two. But that seems to be more her playstyle/personality than anything.

Syn/Coron seemed to be one place deadjoker was willing to throw down a vote, and though the logic behind his fos seemed thin, the way he hopped onto this wagon while it seemed juicy made me think this wasn't a distancing attempt for some reason. Seemed to me like he was trying to waste the ML here rather than bus/distance his partner. Looking at their posts individually, though, doesn't inspire me with confidence one way or the other. Something about the conclusions Coron arrives at rubs me the wrong way but his reasoning strikes me as possibly coming from a genuine town thought process (yes, I'm fence sitting on you, dwi).

The way deadjoker addressed petapan during twilight also doesn't strike me as scum addressing his partner...but he was confirmed scum, so I'd pretty much take anything he said here with a huge grain of salt.

I'm exhausted/tired so sorry if any of this came out in a contrived way or if I missed anything. Questions/comments are welcome.

If anyone cares, I'll write up a case on redtail tomorrow.

PEdit: denis, I don't think you can delete accounts here, dude.

i was betting on irl deletion (of u)

[denisatp]

i get the feeling that satire has been a little bit forced but he's towntold at times too so it makes me very wary

yeah i really don't see this.

Late question: Who did robert target i kind of forgot 'bout him.

I skimmed tuxedo's votes and VOTE: tuxedo

[denisatp]

good stuff

[denisatp]

By loss of internet do you mean being gay?

[denisatp]

okay hammer tuxedomask we're stuck

[denisatp]

wow guys round 71 is a really bad thread

[denisatp]

VOTE: baldanders
i was gunsmith. checked synthasia n1 and petapan to clear 4 autowin n2

[denisatp]

question about gunsmith: what does it mean by "if the player has a gun". does it mean specifically gungiver guns or mafia guns? would all killing roles/ mafia have guns???

[denisatp]

yeah i'm /in also

[denisatp]

i really don't think any town players fucked up a read to bad

[denisatp]

question about gunsmith: what does it mean by "if the player has a gun". does it mean specifically gungiver guns or mafia guns? would all killing roles/ mafia have guns???

somebody answer it's bothering me

[denisatp]

Generally all killing roles have guns unless otherwise specified, or at least that's how it worked back in my day.

ty

[denisatp]

i, too, feel that players who come from that -other- place are shamefully bad at mafia and the combined efforts of them playing well in this game and catching all the mafia was nothing but sheer luck

sheer freakin LUCK