Mini 1368 (Game Over)

[Melmond]

VOTE: pieceofpecanpie for being delicious.

[Melmond]

So we have shape speculation and dogs vs dogs so far...
From cheerys analysis, this must mean triangle123 is town and pieceofpecan3.14 is scum

[Melmond]

Lol, just making a funny.. Pi has to do with circles

[Melmond]

Interesting that Melmond joined in the weird triangle/circle talk.

Like I said, I was making a funny about it.

[Melmond]

Melmond, who do you think is scum?

There's a few things in mind:
1. I don't like Cheery Dog's post where he says that pecanpies claim is likely only something a miller would do, because scum would definitely do it too, an easy way to get past cops...
2. We should keep an eye out for pieceofpecanpie, because of his miller claim, I haven't really seen anything yet, but let's all keep a watch out. He did claim after his first post, and after Cheery dog said something about only a few claims being in the towns favor this early in the game. Maybe this gave him the idea.
3. Nobody Special hasn't said much, and it looks like he's readying himself to sheep pecanpie.

@NS: How do you feel about whats happened in the game so far?

[Melmond]

Melmond, what do you think of Cheery Dog and his "circles vs triangles" argument?

I think it's pretty fucked up. At first I thought he was just messing around, but he just keeps on with this geometry crap... Even though he said he would stop if there was other content. And there's plenty of other stuff to talk about now.
also, this post:

CD, we now have three pages of content to work with. Do you have any reads that don't derive from geometric psychology?

There's slight scum tingles from pappums rat, FUT and Kublai Khan. Basketballstar24 still has the very weak scumread and no longer fully based on geometric psychology, but it's yet to increase in it's intensity.
and town vibes from you (which have nothing to do with your name), Paschendale, Idiotking and pieceofpecanpie.

@Cheery Dog: How is BBstar24 no longer fully based on geometry? And I'd also like to know how you've come up with these reads...

unvote

VOTE: Cheery Dog

[Melmond]

Scum would do it because they thought it would make them look good, the same reason why town would do it, that sarcasm seem to me to be from coming from the scum perspective, mainly because it was used as a defensive measure. I feel it was trying to hard to get pressure lifted from what was a weak vote.

Why do you think this? You've been the only person pushing bbstar24. He hasn't had any other pressure and the only reason it's a weak vote is because it's a random vote, which doesn't need to be serious.

[Melmond]

I also think that FUT is newb!oblivious rather than newb!scum.

I would agree with this, he's from another site, and from what I've seen play is extremely different on other sites and should be considered newb on ms.net
I think the case on him is nothing...

[Melmond]

Yeah, if it was a reaction test, it would probably be the worst one ever. Seriously, you went on about it for 4 pages, and you don't stop until you get to L-1...
And if it was to get discussion going, you've completely failed. Because most of the discussion is about your stupid ass going on about geometry.
I really don't know what to do right now, I have a slight feeling you might be town, just the village idiot, but this shit you've been posting is seriously bad for town, so it could go either way...
But seriously, at least claim properly...

@mod: Kublai Khan needs a prod, and FUT might need one too, depending on when you see this.

[Melmond]

My 5 votes for Nobody Special were meta-related. I've never been able to accurately read him because he heavily lurks as scum and town.

Well this is good to know, I'll have to meta him myself. I was thinking of voting him because he hasn't said shit. However I do find his last post strange:

@NS: How do you feel about whats happened in the game so far?

I think a large amount of energy was wasted on geometry.


I'm not sheeping pecan, I arrived at this conclusion on my own.

Vote: Cherry Dog

I also think that FUT is newb!oblivious rather than newb!scum.

Earlier he had said he thinks pecanpie made a good catch, but unless I've misunderstood pecanpie, he's saying that FUT seems suspicious because of coming to CD's defence.
Then his next post he just votes CD to put him at L-1 and says that FUT is just oblivious instead of scum.
@NS: Why the change from thinking FUT was suspicious to saying he wasn't and voting CD? And also, could you spend some more time posting your thoughts?
For now VOTE: Nobody Special
I'm also going to meta him to see if I can find anything different in his style of lurking.

[Melmond]

Ok, I've done some meta of NS and what I see is a lot of lurking, but this game is really bad with it. He seems to lurk even more with his scum games.
I really don't know yet about NS.
@Nobody Special: What do you think about whats happened so far in the game? Any scumreads? (Once you get your modem fixed of course lol)

[Melmond]

@pappums&triangle: could you explain the case on Hellhound? I'm not sure I'm getting it.

[Melmond]

#64
Melmond, can you explain more about the FoS here? Cheery mentioned claims being favorable in OPEN games, which this clearly is not.

I thought Cheery dog saying that claiming miller is only something a miller would do was inaccurate. And I had the idea that pecanpie may have got the idea to claim miller from the talk about claiming(if he was scum), and to keep an eye out for pecanpie, but I never had a FoS on pecanpie... CD said nothing about open games when saying that miller was likely only something a miller would do.
Does that answer your question or are you wondering anything else?

I don't think a vote on NS is a good vote. Its never stopped a lurker from lurking before for me, so

unvote

[Melmond]

Earlier he had said he thinks pecanpie made a good catch, but unless I've misunderstood pecanpie, he's saying that FUT seems suspicious because of coming to CD's defence.
Then his next post he just votes CD to put him at L-1 and says that FUT is just oblivious instead of scum.

It's mainly this and also his inactivity doesn't help at all either.

As for reads, I'm looking at the case on hellhound1, but I don't know how I feel about it atm, just seems iffy. Nothing else right now, I need to review the game more...

[Melmond]

I'm really not happy with bbstar24's ISO. He's mainly just been saying that he agrees that the people found scummy (CD, FUT, NS) are indeed scummy, while not saying much else.
Once you get back I'd really like to hear some more.

I also don't think NS has a very good case on triangle atm, mind explaining some more?

I've also looked over the hellhound1 wagon and I don't like his #97 and 127.
@hellhound: I would like to hear more about your reads. Surely by now you have more than that, it doesn't matter if you think you'll stick to them, day 1 reads always change quite a bit.

[Melmond]

VOTE: hellhound1
Looks like the only other person with votes is NS and he really wouldn't be as good of a lynch.

[Melmond]

@Kublai Khan: So what do you think of lupo now? You said before that your certainty has wavered. Have you looked more into it?

[Melmond]

Do you actually agree with why hellhound was chosen to be a viable lynch or just wanting to be on a large wagon?

I do agree with it, I'm not as certain as I'd like to be that he's scum, but I don't find anyone else any more scummy than him and the DL is approaching quickly. I think his flip will help the game get going as well.

[Melmond]

I'm really not liking bbstars last posts, it seems too cautious, he should be voting for who he thinks is a better lynch.
Cheery dogs isn't good either, it seems really far fetched, I don't see how he would prove anything about bbstar by lynching HH.

[Melmond]

If you would have just put post 247 in your last post it would have looked a lot better than putting post 246 in it too PoPP. Why bring up your miller claim again?

[Melmond]

No popp, your condition is to control half of the town, that first sentence of yours is bullshit.

[Melmond]

PoPP really hasn't been looking good his last few posts. And before that there was a lot of fluff. I really think we should take a good look at him. I would also agree that if there is a vig here it would be good to shoot him at some point before LYLO, rather than waste a lynch on him. But I'd say we should wait a while, not shoot him now, because if he is indeed a town miller, he might be able to help town out.

[Melmond]

And this post is just loaded with waffling and sheeping.

How exactly am I sheeping? I was the first to get on his case about him using his miller claim as proof he's town, pappums rat is the only person who said anything about him having proof of being town before me. Post 249 is where I brought this out. I think its ridiculous that he's trying to ride this game out on his claim.

Melmond, I would like your reads if you wouldnt mind.

I'll be working on this. Should have it up within a few hours.. Just want to eat first.

[Melmond]

For reads:
leaning scum: basketballstar24> pieceofpecanpie>cheery dog
null: paschendale, lupo, Kublai Khan, nobody special
leaning town: triangle123,Idiot King,killerjester, pappums rat

basketballstar24 has been way too waffley about who he thinks is scum. He puts his vote on someone else, even though he says he thinks hh is scum. That and just how he's just been saying he agrees with everyone else without coming up with anything, or scumhunting.

pieceofpecanpie because of his trying to be confirmed town for claiming miller and lots of fluff.

I think cheery dog may still be scum because of his weird logic for voting people.

I think I'd prefer a bbstar lynch to a hellhound lynch for today. What does everyone else think?

Also, if you have any other questions about the other players ask.

[Melmond]

Where doe hellhound (or now ChannelDelibird) sit in your reads?

top scum. thats who I'm voting, though I'd be fine with a bbstar lynch too though.

[Melmond]

He sits at the top of the scum pile, But I'd prefer a bbstar lynch. How many votes does bbstar have though? ZERO! How many days? LESS THAN FOUR. So I was hoping to get other peoples input! WE WOULD NEED 6 ADDITIONAL VOTES.

got it?

[Melmond]

Hiya guys, I'm really sorry about the timing of all this - this weekend was not supposed to be quite as mental at work as it has been, replacing in just to get hit with commitments was not at all my plan! I'm reading what I can while I'm on shift at the moment but it's quite important that I'm not lynched. I'm skimming the last couple of pages first, will look to put a vote down, then get to the rest of the game hopefully immediately after and take it from there.

Idiotking hammered you...

[Melmond]

Thing is pie, you're scummy. Get to the scumhunting. Your claim is artificial because you seem to be using it as a reason to avoid scumhunting, saying "Ermahgerd I'm miller, look the other way".

The meat of your ISO is fluff and asking people what their ideal lynch is.

[Melmond]

Lupo and Hellhound were counterwagons to each other, so for the moment at least I am going to:

Vote: Lupo

The wagon on Lupo was because of him defending HH though wasn't it?

I think bbstar is most likely to be scum.
VOTE: basketballstar24

[Melmond]

So go ahead say I'm scum for not posting and saying a few words. I remember back in the days when that was exactly what caught them.
And go ahead lynch me, it was good to do a duty to my town as a vanilla townie.
So HA-HA. Here's the bad part about being VT:
"Scum always claim Vanilla Townie, that just proves it."
So what am I supposed to say? Roleclaim PR? "Don't lynch me?"
No, you wouldn't believe me. This was fun while it lasted. Enjoy Lylo.Infected!

What an abomination of a post. A good townie should never give up, and you're at fucking L-4.

I'm getting mixed feelings about Paschendales latest posts. I agree with some of it, but some of just seems like total crap. I'll get to that in a bit.

I fully endorse a jester wagon.

Why?

[Melmond]

I'm getting mixed feelings about Paschendales latest posts. I agree with some of it, but some of just seems like total crap. I'll get to that in a bit.

Mostly what seems like crap to me is some of the stuff you say to defend Lupo. I do think that lupo should have pushed a different way if he really thought the HH lynch was such a bad idea. The thoughts you had on Killerjester aren't bad though. You made a good case.

[Melmond]

@other players - Please vote Nobody Special. He can't let him get away with such blatant lurking in a mini with 2 week deadlines.

I'm kinda just hoping he gets replaced. I don't think he'll stop lurking if we vote him.

[Melmond]

@NS: could we get reads on the other players too?
As for the NK speculation, I'm pretty sure it was blocked, but lets not speculate on it further. You're pretty much saying I'm not a doc/jk/etc and narrowing down the possibilities of who is.

[Melmond]

@Pecanpie: So your read of lupo went from scum to null and

then

you vote him. what?
I'm really not a big fan of policy lynches either. Why not try to find scum instead of policy lynching someone? Its only day 2, we just need to pick up the pace.

I'm getting a lot more scumreads than townreads right now, so I'm going to need to re-read this game and stuff.

[Melmond]

I want to see Lupo lynched, but you're missing the bigger picture if you think it's just policy. I brought this up in my #448. There's some policy in there, there's also anti-town and scummy sentiments in the mix. But the bigger picture is Lupo's flip is a melting pot of information waiting to be unleashed.

What information will we get from his flip? The case on him as I see it is because he defended hellhound d1 for some, him hopping on the NS wagon for others, and lurking for others.
As of now, I don't support his lynch, so if people could explain and push his case, so I can understand it better, that would be good.

Right now, I'd be more in favor of bbstar or killerjester lynches.

[Melmond]

Okay, I'll start doing my reads again, if you want to. I don't have too much time now, so I guess tomorrow?

Yes, please do reads.

What alt? What's alt?

alt =

Your account is only just over a month old, yet you talk about "back in the day". So what other account names have you posted under?

I've been wondering this also, whether he plays at a different site or what.

[Melmond]

@mod: We need prods on a few people.

[Melmond]

Melmond and Lupo, thoughts on BBS' hammer?

Eh, it seems more like something newbtown would do than scum would.
UNVOTE: bbstar
I'll decide on who to vote later today, after I do some research.

[Melmond]

VOTE: Nobody Special
I wrote this earlier in the game.

Earlier he had said he thinks pecanpie made a good catch, but unless I've misunderstood pecanpie, he's saying that FUT seems suspicious because of coming to CD's defence.
Then his next post he just votes CD to put him at L-1 and says that FUT is just oblivious instead of scum.

And also I think bbstar is newbtown, and someone with as much experience as NS should know better than to vote him for those reasons, when NS isn't doing shit either.

[Melmond]

You haven't gave us shit for reasoning. Give me some, and I'll listen to it and see what I think.

[Melmond]

Then why did you continue to vote him after the hammer if you thought it was something more likely to come from town?

I didn't know who I would move the vote to. And I didn't think to unvote right away.

[Melmond]

The past few posts really strengthened my thoughts of NS being scum. Especially KK's 520 and the way NS's 498 is worded.
I was having some doubts, but I really think NS is scum now.

[Melmond]

Why are you so intent on having everyone respond to that post?

[Melmond]

But even after the "hammer", you still stated that you'd be in favor of a BBS lynch.

I wasn't sure what to think of it at first. Your post 461 is what led me to the conclusion that it might not be something scum would do.

[Melmond]

I'm fine with a lynch now too, on either. We still need a replacement for Pappums Rat though.

[Melmond]

I'll be rereading some of the game and look at some of the players on the NS wagon. I also think it's possible NS might also be scum, but I'm not sure.

[Melmond]

After looking at all the players, and thinking about the flips, I'm really thinking bbstar is scum.
1. He seemed overly cautious about putting Hellhound to L-1 and then really seemed to want permission to hammer, just seems overly cautious.
2. Of course there's his really weird VT claim he made earlier.
3. Then he finally gives some reads and then stops giving his analysis because he says that we criticize him over it . That doesn't seem good.
4. I've said before that I didn't think the NS "lynch" was a scumtell, but I'm not sure, it might be.
VOTE: Basketballstar24 at least for now.

[Melmond]

1. When I was cautious of put Hellhound at L-1, it was because it wasn't even close to the deadline. When I asked for permission to hammer, it was close to deadline, we had to lynch someone to get info.
2. Well, I thought I was going to get lynched before I got on the next day since many people got onto my wagon.
3. So? What's the point of my reads if all you guys are going to do is make no use of it? I was trying my best, so I guessed that I wouldn't do reads anymore. Fine, I'll do a read soon.

It was more because of being cautious of putting him to L-1, it just really seemed like you didn't want to have anything bad come back to you later.
They will always ask you to claim before they hammer. And you've already said you'd give reads in post 456, which was a while ago.

[Melmond]

There was like a day left, and Hellhound was almost inactive. It was too late for a claim.

no, in the first sentence I'm talking about when you didn't want to put him to L-1, because you thought someone would hammer him.

The second sentence I wrote was about when you claimed VT. They would have asked you to claim before hammering you, so you shouldn't have claimed.

[Melmond]

We're not starting this BBStar finger pointing again, are we?

I was just trying to get a better read on him from some reactions, because I still find him suspicious.
UNVOTE: bbstar for now.

[Melmond]

Based on the 2nd sentence, what do you expect the first to tell you?

Pretty much whether or not I think NS or someone on his wagon is scum.

I haven't read the latest killerjester and Idiotking posts yet, and I don't have time to right now, but I'll get to that soon..

[Melmond]

I'm not sure whether I'd vote IK or NS right now, they're both scummy, I'd like to hear more from NS before I vote.

[Melmond]

Melmond, what would you like to hear?

I agree with I am Innocent. I'd like your read of every player in the game.

Melmond, do you think NS and IK might be scum together, or do you just find them independently scummy?

Probably independently scummy, for them both to bus Lupo and then each other like this just wouldn't seem right if they were both scum.

@bbstar: I'd still like those reads...

[Melmond]

How could you possible think NS is a good lynch today?

Mainly because he hasn't done anything... A lurker lynch has never worked for me in the past though... I want to get his reads.

[Melmond]

So yeah, Nobody Special is probably scum... Unless we get a CC.
VOTE: Nobody Special

[Melmond]

I'm going to be v/la for the next couple days, I've been moving and forgot to put it up until now...
I'll try and make a post in the morning though... Just really tired right now.

[Melmond]

I'll be reading into KK and NS later today, and others, but mostly those two.

[Melmond]

Also, CES, could we get a post with your reads and thoughts on the game so far?

[Melmond]

I'm going to be rereading the whole game. Now that there's more flips, it will be easier to come up with who I think is scum.
But for now, I think it's between NS and bbstar. I'm going to be looking into CES slot now though, for the possibility of GF.

[Melmond]

Wow. I didn't realize he wasn't a doc the first time I looked at the thread today... I really don't know why he would do that as a VT... It would have been easy for there to be a CC if there was a doc, and with me not dying N1 I would have figured he was, and if someone would have CC'd him he would have been lynched yesterday and the doc probably would have been NK'd. Not the best idea..

[Melmond]

Definitely VOTE: Nobody Special
Your claim came at a very suspicious time. I believe IaI. I've thought you were scum most of this game...

Thats L-1 everyone...