Mini 1412: 0 Percent Flavor Mafia Finis

[Human Destroyer]

/confirm

FIRST HAHA

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: theaceofspades

First!

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Tochica

You are a starfish, what do you have to fear from a human destroyer?

I can stretch my destructive tendencies a bit wider to adapt, so Tochica should definitely fear.

Hello all.

No RVS? Any particular reason for this?

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Tochica

You are a starfish, what do you have to fear from a human destroyer?

I can stretch my destructive tendencies a bit wider to adapt, so Tochica should definitely fear.

Hello all.

No RVS? Any particular reason for this?

I do not play on mafiascum often, last I played it was not required. In fact - it shouldn't be.

I never said it was; there's no need to get defensive over it.

VOTE: theaceofspades

First!

vote: humandestroyer

Sore over your lack of being first? Don't worry, you'll get plenty of chances to be first in future games.

VOTE: humandestroyer

This is a good wagon.

Any particular reason? Or do you just like RVS wagons?

Hey, Fitz, what do you mean obviously? It came more as a surprise, I fully expected your vote to follow up your thoughts from the confirmation stage.

I'd like a response to this.

[Human Destroyer]

I just like RVS wagons.

Good scumhunting though giving me the answer to your question.

I kind of like the aceofspades wagon as long as he's inactive. So for now, VOTE: theaceofspades

This vote seems to be taking an opportunity in the fact that an inactive has an RVS wagon going to vote him for a non-RVS reason. This post alone, however, doesn't make me suspicious. This does:

There's everything to like about lynching people who don't contribute. Active town is good town, inactive town is bad town.

It looks like you have a couple of things going here:

a) You know he's going to flip town by the fact you say "inactive town" and nothing about "inactive scum".

b) You mention nothing about lynching scum, only lynching inactive town over active town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: The Central Scrutinizer

[Human Destroyer]

Vote: Human Destroyer

I don't like that HD is attacking Central on his word semantics, but not basing his votes on the actual content of the post, which is voting lurking players.

Except that isn't my whole case; his vote also looks opportunistic. Combined with the, as you put it, "word semantics", it's actually quite scummy.

[Human Destroyer]

Ugh I hate backpedaling

I didn't realize you hadn't played since 2008, nor that the meta was different back then, I apologize.

UNVOTE:

(Calling it now: "Backpedals are scummy, vote him!")

[Human Destroyer]

I do not play on mafiascum often, last I played it was not required. In fact - it shouldn't be.

Myself, I find it somewhat defensive because I never required you to make an RVS vote; I simply asked why you didn't. This looks like, "Just because I didn't RVS doesn't make me bad!". However, I find it a really weak tell at best, hence why I'm not voting you.

[Human Destroyer]

I'll vote when I want to, don't worry.

Your second statement is fair I suppose.

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: MonkeyMan

Good wagon here.

Also I actually had to backpedal there, I was blatantly wrong; it's a damned if I do, damned if I don't situation.

[Human Destroyer]

>misrepped

You've been on this site for 5 years, I'll be damned if you don't know whether scum can speak pregame or not.

Also just because I voted for you after you voted me doesn't make it OMGUS; it's a common misconception.

[Human Destroyer]

Not to mention criticizing Central Scrutinizer for wanting to lynch lurkers.

Considering I absolutely despise policy lynches, this isn't an alignment tell for me.

Also, I'd say the case on you is far better; a scumslip is better than a backpedal in a spot where no matter what I did it would be called scummy.

[Human Destroyer]

@ Yates how unlikely is it that he'd be unaware of the scumchat timing rules?

Zero percent chance.

I present to you the only evidence you need:

Wherein Monkey is scum ->
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4503839

Wherein Monkey is scum that spoke prior to game start -> http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/9exnfGLfxab

Prosecution rests.

L I recommend you read the case again

Also considering the conversation was pregame, the context actually does imply pregame

[Human Destroyer]

Why is he damned if he 'backpedals'; he took new information into account ie what he should do as town so where is the damning part? (there isn't one) if he were town he would not feel damned for changing his mind with the new information presented ergo he is scum.

Because there's honestly two case scenarios here:

1) I keep pushing: "His case is so weak and he's pushing it too much, he must be scum!"

2) I backpedal: "He backed down too easily, he must be scum!"

Therefore, yes, it is "damned if I do damned if I don't".

Also Monkey is so scummy right now; if he flips scum (which I think he will) I'd like to look into Slandaar more.

P-Edit: Except Yates is probably right.

[Human Destroyer]

Why is he damned if he 'backpedals'; he took new information into account ie what he should do as town so where is the damning part? (there isn't one) if he were town he would not feel damned for changing his mind with the new information presented ergo he is scum.

Because there's honestly two case scenarios here:

1) I keep pushing: "His case is so weak and he's pushing it too much, he must be scum!"

2) I backpedal: "He backed down too easily, he must be scum!"

Therefore, yes, it is "damned if I do damned if I don't".

Also Monkey is so scummy right now; if he flips scum (which I think he will) I'd like to look into Slandaar more.

P-Edit: Except Yates is probably right.

The issue is not on whether you were correct about there being only two views on this backpedal. The issue lies in that being the only thing you see. A townie would have seen what he'd done as a mistake. A townie wouldn't have permutated all of the possible reactions to his backpedal.

Now you see what Slandaar was getting at?

And if Yates is wrong - how do we figure that into the equation?

1) Just because I'm a townie doesn't mean I shouldn't worry about an adverse reaction to my backpedal; although I suppose I can see what he's getting at.

2) I'll worry about that later if that's what happens. Right now, we can't determine whether he's right or not, but since I believe him to be right, I can at least make that assumption until it is proven otherwise.

[Human Destroyer]

Well fitz beat me to it, but this seems like an artificial attempt to get me to unvote Monkey

My vote stays, at least for now

[Human Destroyer]

...so then if that's your reason for unvoting me, why aren't you voting one of them?

[Human Destroyer]

You're just sad you don't have a real case and that your probable scum-buddy Monkey is flailing.

[Human Destroyer]

I was addressing Slandaar.

[Human Destroyer]

Actually Lynch all Lurkers is considered a policy lynch

Probably the most common one I've seen other than Lynch all Liars

@TCS: How do you not think MonkeyMan is scum? Just look at the whole part where he unvotes me and waits about 5 posts before voting for a lurker, which he had stated intent to vote earlier. Not only that, he voted someone who had

just recently contributed

. Wouldn't his vote be better suited for someone that's, y'know, actually not contributing if that's his angle?

[Human Destroyer]

Also I don't opportunistically hop on wagons

I hop on wagons that I feel are going against scum

I think Monkey is scum

Therefore it's justified

[Human Destroyer]

Actually Lynch all Lurkers is considered a policy lynch

Probably the most common one I've seen other than Lynch all Liars

@TCS: How do you not think MonkeyMan is scum? Just look at the whole part where he unvotes me and waits about 5 posts before voting for a lurker, which he had stated intent to vote earlier. Not only that, he voted someone who had

just recently contributed

. Wouldn't his vote be better suited for someone that's, y'know, actually not contributing if that's his angle?

Monkey says a couple of things I don't like, but my first impression upon reading the game Yates posted was that he didn't come off as playing like he did in that game. I don't see him as totally innocent, though. However, I do see him as the target of the day's first major bandwagon and argument, and because I don't see that the argument Yates is making against him has any merit whatsoever, I am inclined to believe that at least one of the people who jumped on his wagon is opportunistic scum.

Well, that's just like, your opinion man. Honestly, it's likely that many major bandwagons have at least one scum on it, but that doesn't make everyone who wagons opportunistic.

ArcAngel please explain your reads. They seem like you just pulled them out of nowhere and said "HEY THESE ARE MY READS AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY AND ABSOLUTELY TRUTHFUL YEP"

[Human Destroyer]

monkey man

possibly the most town sounding people

This is probably

the

dumbest thing said in the whole game so far.

[Human Destroyer]

then I will write out HD case later

Considering this is all you've really been saying about me, I'm thinking you don't really have a case and you're scum with Monkey

[Human Destroyer]

No, because I hate 1v1s and if I see what Monkey flips it's easier to make the association (because honestly right now it's mostly associative tells and he's still not confirmed scum)

Also I'm more confident in my Monkey scum read so my vote remains on him

[Human Destroyer]

No, I still think you have no case, but I realized there are other reasons for withholding a case (like a reaction test or something) so I figured it isn't inherently scummy.

[Human Destroyer]

Ah, he

does

have a case on me

I'll respond in full when not on a phone

[Human Destroyer]

OK Then

VOTE: theaceofspades

First!

So this shows something interesting; generally as town your thought process is 'First! now lets find someone to vote!' it is not the otherway round because the way he has it is 'who will I vote ah this guy, oh and First!' its minor but basically what is likely is he found someone to vote then wanted to add something else with it ie; First, where town normally will First then vote because the vote isn't actually important; it shows how he prioritises; pointless vote and then a comment the pointless vote coming first because he needs to get that in.

This is minor anyway.

I'm not even going to bother responding to this, because this is a joke at best and a stretch at worst.

Hello all.

No RVS? Any particular reason for this?

OK so, L doesn't vote, HD asks why this is fine, except why doesn't he vote? he only has his RVS vote which was completely random; the wording is also so weak, Why didn't you vote? is stronger worded, his is quite scared in a way like hes trying to avoid conflict but look to be active and scumhunting.

Uh, no, that's just how I ask questions. If I was actually trying to avoid conflict, I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place.

I do not play on mafiascum often, last I played it was not required. In fact - it shouldn't be.

I never said it was; there's no need to get defensive over it.

Immediately we get a 'hey I never said that! no need to be so defensive!'

So, at this point L is overdefensive and didn't vote from HD POV now, why isn't he voting then?

Because I think it's weak, and it's just an attempt at making some conversation to start the game off.

VOTE: humandestroyer

This is a good wagon.

Any particular reason? Or do you just like RVS wagons?

Already commented on this but it shows how pointless his scumhunting is; you do not ask someone why they did something and give them the answer to it at the same time, it makes the question meaningless as shown;

And this makes me scum how?

I just like RVS wagons.

Good scumhunting though giving me the answer to your question.

He just accepts it, lol. The pointlessness in all he does is clear to see, he is not scumhunting at all.

I mean does that read town? he didn't even press me on it, he accepted the answer I gave him which he gave me...

It was a line of conversation I ended up finding useless, so I felt no great need to give a real response to it.

Ugh I hate backpedaling

I didn't realize you hadn't played since 2008, nor that the meta was different back then, I apologize.

UNVOTE:

(Calling it now: "Backpedals are scummy, vote him!")

He is thinking too much about how he is perceived.

Why is he so worried about how he will be perceived when he has simply taken new information on board and changed his mind? He DID NOT backpedal, what he did was take new information on board if he was town so, why does he think he backpedaled?

You do mean other than the fact that I don't want to get lynched, right? I'm paranoid in general.

Myself, I find it somewhat defensive because I never required you to make an RVS vote; I simply asked why you didn't. This looks like, "Just because I didn't RVS doesn't make me bad!". However, I find it a really weak tell at best, hence why I'm not voting you.

Again, his whole opening posts regarding this and this is the end result? over defensive and not voting in RVS but its such a weak tell it wasn't enough to even warrant voting over an RVS vote?

Yes. I actually do happen to think not every little thing necessarily means scum, so I'm not going to jump the gun just for one thing I find minor anyway.

Also Monkey is so scummy right now; if he flips scum (which I think he will) I'd like to look into Slandaar more.

Why is he associating me with Monkey? he hasn't said anything I have done is scummy, just that what? I showed the case against monkey is bad?

That isn't an associative tell like at all

*facepalm* You do mean other than the fact that you've been defending him

this whole goddamn time

right?

You're just sad you don't have a real case and that your probable scum-buddy Monkey is flailing.

And this is based on what exactly? why is he associating me with Monkey?

Because, if you had such a case, you would've probably presented it then and not waited 4+ pages (or however many it was) to post said case; it seemed like you were waiting for me to make a decently scummy move for you to post it. (I see now it isn't the case, but whatever)

Considering this is all you've really been saying about me, I'm thinking you don't really have a case and you're scum with Monkey

As said, this again is so thoughtless; if I were scum why would I lie? its just absolutely stupid and no scum would do it especially this far from a deadline.

I repeat: association with a scummy player. Is this that difficult to grasp?

Summary is basically;
His scumhunting is fake

I'll admit I don't really scumhunt as much as others (I'm more of a lazy town player), but false is incorrect.

He cares too much about how he is perceived thinking about his next action too much

Again, paranoia happens regardless of alignment for me.

He is basically just playing to avoid conflict (see my reaction test and how it ties into this although that doesn't make him scum)

Except I actually hate 1v1s, I don't really know why you would expect me to go for something I don't like doing.

He magic'd a read on me from nowhere (which might mean he and monkey are buddies - it is very easy for him to call me scum with monkey but never give any reasoning behind it especially if monkey is scum)

Originally it was all associative, but your case is stretching to fit your vote. Not only that, if you were so convinced I was scum earlier, then

why didn't you try to convince others of it?

(And no, saying you have a case and promising you'll post it later isn't going to convince anyone)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Slandaar

Also, I know someone asked me about my read on Yates; I think he's just a townie tunneling really hard on MonkeyMan.

Speaking of MonkeyMan, the way he handled the wagon at least somewhat satisfies me. He's off the hook, at least for now.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm not lying at all. I'm telling the whole truth. Besides which, if anything the situation right now is good for the town because it is causing people to take sides on an issue early in the game. Scum would not want to polorize things so much, they would want to sit back and let the town mislynch. We are getting a lot of information from this which is great for the town, so you should be thanking me.

The issue is that I thought it was day when fitz posted. I have no way of proving this, but there's no evidence to suggest I'm lying, merely that I made a wrong presumption as to day status when fitz's post was. It wasn't a lie, and nothing else I have said is a lie. Nothing I've said is inconsistant with what actually happened.

I mean if you really think this is a lynchable offence, by all means have at it.

It's called reevaluating. Some of us do it when things change during the day. Scum don't.

These in particular make me feel better about Monkey himself after rereading

[Human Destroyer]

Ive listed five. You may not agree with them, but I wouldnt expect scum too.

Would you expect town to agree with them? If so, why?

[Human Destroyer]

So, am I correct in believing that HD's suspicion of Slandaar (and vote) is based on Slandaar's "defense' associative relation to Monkey?

You forgot the part where Slandaar stretched the case to fit the player

That's kind of important too

[Human Destroyer]

(Actually he voted a lot earlier but that's besides the point)

So, if you find me scummy, where's the vote? Too busy staying on a stagnant wagon on a guy who's semi-lurking?

[Human Destroyer]

Hmm

I suppose...not really; I kind of found the case-stretching enough. :l

[Human Destroyer]

Could someone remind me why neither Alduskkel nor ArcAngel9 haven't placed a single serious vote yet?

[Human Destroyer]

Okay Alduskkel's vote is semi-serious, but the reasoning is iffy at best. However, as for ArcAngel:

did a quick catch up.. i don't have confidence to call anyone townie yet, looks like every one is fairly acting the same.

Leaning towards town
Havingfitz
L
human destroyer

Unsure
Monkeyman
yates

Scum
the acting method
matt
tochica

She clearly has scum reads. Where's the vote to back them up?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ArcAngel9

[Human Destroyer]

Tunneling is scummy. It means you aren't interested in looking at different options and opens up a strong possibility of confermation bias.

I disagree with this. Anti-town? Maybe. Scummy? No. There

is

a difference between the two; town is just as likely to tunnel as scum is.

[Human Destroyer]

Matt

can you like

actually contribute thoughts about the game

and not useless fluff

plsthx

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Matt-Shadowlord

You only keep private notes on 5 players? What?

[Human Destroyer]

Let me repeat myself, since you seem to have missed it

If you've been keeping notes all game, how do you only have notes on 5/13 players?

[Human Destroyer]

Matt, concealing your thoughts is scummy (with the occasional exception, but this isn't one of them)

If you're going to post your thoughts, you should post all of them.

[Human Destroyer]

Matt, do you come from one of those sites where outing townreads is scummy?

The meta's different here; outing townreads is often encouraged.

[Human Destroyer]

Posting their thoughts about all members of the town is what I mean.

[Human Destroyer]

@theaceofspades: Does the order of your list mean anything?

[Human Destroyer]

Matt I haven't forgotten about you

Come back and post your thoughts

All of them this time

[Human Destroyer]

I think that in and of itself is null personally

I do that all the time as town

[Human Destroyer]

You do realize he's the backup mod

Right

[Human Destroyer]

Ah, now that's better

Matt, just give us what you said you had

If you actually have it, it shouldn't be that difficult

P-Edit: Not what I was looking for, but better at first glance

P-P-Edit: LET ME POST GODDAMMIT

P-P-P-Edit: STOP IT

P-P-P-P-Edit: Are you serious

[Human Destroyer]

Considering #447 exists, he clearly has suspects; why not vote them?

P-Edit: That's less of confirmation bias and more of a preemptive "I told you so!" from what I can tell

[Human Destroyer]

Now - if I recall - HD hasn't posted in a long while. After hearing my peanut statement about being my bait for scum, he dropped off the thread. Anyone else notice this? Just a thought.

Yeah I know, I've been paying attention to some games more than others

I really should be balancing this one a little more

Anyway, the TCS case intrigues me, I'll actually read it in depth before I actually decide on if I'll vote him or not.

[Human Destroyer]

Eh, it looks more like a case to me

Also, I assumed 0 Percent Flavor just meant no flavor text anywhere; I don't think it has anything to do with the actual roles involved

[Human Destroyer]

Was he flipped town in that game though?

Can't really take into account someone's meta unless they've flipped first.

[Human Destroyer]

Oh is the game over?

You can link it then.

[Human Destroyer]

Okay I know I haven't really been playing the game that much

But lynching conf-town would garner you pretty much no info

The flip wouldn't do anything since they're conf-town

Why you would ever lynch a conf-town is beyond me

Also Yates v. -L- is a semantics argument that should stop, it doesn't really matter whether it's thoughts or providing a case tbh

P-Edit: ...

[Human Destroyer]

What question?

[Human Destroyer]

Hi Slandaar.

What question?

[Human Destroyer]

Hi to you too -L-!

You forgot the part where Slandaar stretched the case to fit the player

Could you explain what you mean by this now; I had been saving this little gem.

Your case is based on my (rather erratic) playstyle, plus, some of those things are so minor that they can't even be considered scumtells.

[Human Destroyer]

Anything about how my questions are worded.

It's just how I ask questions :l

[Human Destroyer]

Also the paranoia part, almost forgot to add that :l

[Human Destroyer]

Last visited:Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:11 am

:l

[Human Destroyer]

You're blaming a guy for lurking who hasn't been on the site for 2 days

For that to work doesn't he have to be scum in every game he's playing? :l

[Human Destroyer]

Nonono Slandaar

Look at adduskel's activity in this game compared to his other games. Many scum like to hide when there's no immediate threat.

If he's "hiding" as qwints suggests

Why is he hiding from every single game

Is he scum in all of them?

[Human Destroyer]

lol

I mean where to begin?

1. Why is it you only post when I post? I am intrigued now.
2. Why are you taking a quote from qwints and suggesting this is an argument I made?
3. If you take qwints post in a broad sense and not talking about the last 2 days it is fine, did you actually look into it properly?

1) Not on purpose, it's just when I happen to post lol
2) I kind of thought you were sheeping qwints on that point, so that's where I was going with it
3) In a broad sense, I can see where the case makes sense;

However

, Aldus has been doing the exact same thing across the whole forum, so I find it a null tell.

P-Edit: No idea, I know I'm playing in two games with him but I'll stop there for fear of infringing on rules

[Human Destroyer]

My only hesitation is the number of scum reads I have. But this is a very convincing argument.

Which argument?

[Human Destroyer]

HD, what is your take on my postulation that you parroted Yates' words in defense?

I can kinda see where you're coming from with this, but a) I responded to some points Yates didn't, and b) I would be lying if I

didn't

post some of the things Yates said already.

His point has some merit but it isn't the argument I made and I don't see why you linked me with it.

Since you posted it right after him in agreement, I assumed you agreed with his points. The you was a plural if I didn't make that clear.

P-Edit: -L- it's my job to say it not you, stahp

[Human Destroyer]

It's bad. Just plain bad. Sladaars making some good points here and HD is just...... I don't know.

I felt I responded to his points in a satisfactory way. If you don't find them satisfactory...well I have no idea what the hell satisfies you then.

UNVOTE:

Still have to decide on where my vote's gonna go here.

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Matt-Shadowlord

Actually no going back here, ArcAngel case is bad; using outside meta tells is really weak.

[Human Destroyer]

Also why has TAM disappeared of the face of the earth

He voted Yates then just kinda disappeared for a week

[Human Destroyer]

EBWOP: of-->off

[Human Destroyer]

That's hardly adequete, Yates.

1. Of course it would be. Because it completely refutes your allegations.

2. You are also conveniently ignoring the meta that shows that I tunnel as Town which ALSO refutes your argument that I must be scum because I am tunneling.

3. AND you are being omgusy, which is what you said made ME scummy earlier. What's good for the goose isn't good for the Monkey?

It's not OMGUSy at all. My case is far superior to your psuedo-case on me.

Okay this is what we're going to do

Each of you is going to present a bullet-point case of the other. Why? Because your iso's are gigantic (Yates' moreso) and I can't be fucked to read them and decide whether one of you is scum or not.

That and also your arguing has seemed to devolve into meaningless banter that might become less meaningless if you represent each case

[Human Destroyer]

And where are your points Monkey?

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Matt-Shadowlord

Actually no going back here, ArcAngel case is bad; using outside meta tells is really weak.

i think you're mixing up theories from the different games and using that as an opportunity to frame here too.
you know what... you're not cocky...i think brain damaged too.. Get over with your freaking attitude and play along.

Chainsaw defense much?

Also, no talking about ongoing games; especially if it's to insult me.

[Human Destroyer]

It's a personal grudge she has with me based on an ongoing game

I've already contacted the mod to sort things out

[Human Destroyer]

Except I haven't called you scum in this game?

P-Edit: @ArcAngel

[Human Destroyer]

That case is bs but I don't have time to respond to it

I will tomorrow afternoon I promise

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: -L-

It's a nonsensical case, and you admit you can't answer Yates' question about why it does make sense. Excuse to push a mislynch?

[Human Destroyer]

OK just look through these quotes.

-quote wall snip-

Does anyone actually believe he switched on Monkey THE EXACT SECOND he votes me when he had repeatedly been saying he thought we were buddies?

I wasn't completely convinced he wasn't scum, but, being blinded by OMGUS, I switched to you.

Read through the quotes, you can clearly see a HD/Monkey team in it, it really looks like he knows Monkey is scum and was trying to set me up after Monkey was lynched. He got on the wagon when it was a big thing then when the wagon starts stagnating he moves off and onto me.

Considering other people have made the same association between you and Monkey, are they all scum with him too? And yes, the Monkey wagon happened to be stagnating. And yes, it would be somewhat useless to keep my vote there.

His read of me throughout this period was completely fake; he based it on the premise Monkey was scum when he never really contributed to the case or did anything regarding it. Lack of actual questioning of Monkey should be noted also, he never really questions him which is obviously suspicious alone considering how strong he was regarding the read.

Pfft. I don't need to contribute to the case when the reasons already out there are good enough for me to sheep.

(also shh, don't tell anyone, but I'm really bad at scumhunting)

-snip votecount quotes-

(check post numbers of where he unvotes)

As you can see he unvotes during the point where the wagon stagnates; he got on when it looked like Monkey might be in trouble. Smells like a bus to me.

Yates makes sense with Monkey/HD and that is the scumteam I think.

Anyways, HD needs hanging.

Your scum team guess is far and away bad; let's look at some interactions:

HD-->Yates = Townread, don't really interact too much
HD-->Monkey = Strong scumread until about halfway through the day when the wagon stagnated, then became a slightly less prevalent scum read.
Yates-->HD = Generally ignored, null read.
Yates-->Monkey = Would be bussing hard for no reason really. Yates has nothing to gain from a stagnated wagon if it's an artificial read AND a bus.
Monkey-->HD = Voted for a while, left to pursue other wagons (iirc Yates wagon), still think he said he has me as a scumread though
Monkey-->Yates = Scumread, should be pretty apparent if no one's figured that out already.

So tl;dr:

HD townreads Yates
Yates nullreads HD
Every other interaction is scumreading

That's a lot of bussing for one scumteam; it's just plain bullshit.

Also, my vote's still on -L- because she actually sheeped this bullshit case.

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah, me killing the person who was tunneling on me all of Day 1, where his flip as town would arouse much suspicion on myself.

Seems like an A+ scum strategy right there.

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah, me killing the person who was tunneling on me all of Day 1, where his flip as town would arouse much suspicion on myself.

Seems like an A+ scum strategy right there.

[Human Destroyer]

Oh right that's usually a pretty good idea

VOTE: penguin_alien

ArcAngel's hammer was bad; her replacement (as of right now anyway) doesn't really look particularly town either.

[Human Destroyer]

Arc was replaced out for reasons unrelated to alignment, but we're not supposed to talk about that until postgame

So, remind me, why am I scum? The nightkill of Slandaar is not a viable answer, since nightkills are always buckets of WIFOM.

[Human Destroyer]

@1045: No, I came out of the night defending myself from qwints' accusation that the nightkill means I must be scum. I didn't use it as an excuse to say "HEY I'M OBV TOWN DON'T YOU VOTE ME OR YOU'RE SCUM", that's you putting words in my mouth.

1) I've already responded to that point.

2) Guess what, my wagon had 2 people on it. In addition, did it even occur to you in any way whatsoever that

town can be wrong?

If anything, Yates was the counterwagon, not mine.

3) I responded to his case and he ignored my responses. Don't be another one of him.

4) Except, again, town =/= right.

5) What experience? You don't even have any completed games!

Also the scumteam guess was complete bullshit, as I already explained in my last D1 post.

[Human Destroyer]

^You realize he was talking about Monkey in that first quote, right?

[Human Destroyer]

0. A Slandaar kill is more likely from teams with you than teams without.
1. I already read your response; it remains scummy.
2. A small-medium wagon of all town is likely on scum because otherwise it would get a scum participant.
3. His cases were better than your responses. Responding to something doesn't make it go away, much as scum in general seem to think. (This is another reason HD is scum)
4. Part of dayplay is finding scum and part of it is making sure that your faction chooses the lynch.
Why are you trying to argue that it isn't a good idea to join a wagon built by good / confirmed townies?
5. This account is an alt.

0) WIFOM
1) Okay, tell me what about my response is still scummy.
2) Did it even occur to you at all that scum wouldn't need to worry about a counterwagon to a steamrolling town wagon? Why bother counterwagoning on me?
3) LOL no they weren't. Both of you did the exact same thing: Say you read the responses, then said, "LOL I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU BECAUSE YOUR SCUM" and ignore my actual valid thoughts. Funny how that works.
4) You're missing my point. Townies in general are not clairvoyant. No one is a perfect scumhunter. But, oh, conf-town was voting him, he must be scum! That's bullshit.
5) Okay, that's a different story.

[Human Destroyer]

@fitz

Why aren't you voting him then?

[Human Destroyer]

oh

im derp

[Human Destroyer]

What's with this replacement spec nonsense

I feel like I said this already, but

the replacement had nothing to do with alignment.

[Human Destroyer]

Monkey:
I'm not talking about 'feeling sorry.' I am talking about 'falling for' ATE. How can a scum get fooled into thinking a scum is town?
Basically, you're calling Yates scum and talking about him like he's town. I want you to reconcile those statements.

0. A Slandaar kill is more likely from teams with you than teams without.
1. I already read your response; it remains scummy.
2. A small-medium wagon of all town is likely on scum because otherwise it would get a scum participant.
3. His cases were better than your responses. Responding to something doesn't make it go away, much as scum in general seem to think. (This is another reason HD is scum)
4. Part of dayplay is finding scum and part of it is making sure that your faction chooses the lynch.
Why are you trying to argue that it isn't a good idea to join a wagon built by good / confirmed townies?
5. This account is an alt.

0) WIFOM
1) Okay, tell me what about my response is still scummy.
2) Did it even occur to you at all that scum wouldn't need to worry about a counterwagon to a steamrolling town wagon? Why bother counterwagoning on me?
3) LOL no they weren't. Both of you did the exact same thing: Say you read the responses, then said, "LOL I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU BECAUSE YOUR SCUM" and ignore my actual valid thoughts. Funny how that works.
4) You're missing my point. Townies in general are not clairvoyant. No one is a perfect scumhunter. But, oh, conf-town was voting him, he must be scum! That's bullshit.
5) Okay, that's a different story.

0. Wrong.
1. No. Well, maybe later if I have to in order to get you lynched.
2. Irrelevant.
3. Yes they were.
4. I'm not missing your point; your point is irrelevant.

0) Nope. It is WIFOM.
1)
2) Actually it's completely relevant; scum would have no interest in my wagon, they'd just go with the flow.
3) No. They weren't.
4) Yep, ignore the valid points in response to your points. How to get a townie lynched 101, by Norlkaz.

[Human Destroyer]

Congratulations, you've successfully

a) Broken the rules and talked about ongoing games.
b) Looked at the wrong game.

And guess what?

That's not the case. Stop speculating about this personal issue. Thank you.

[Human Destroyer]

^That's the worst argument for a scum team ever.

With that logic, you can say everyone on that wagon is Yates' scumbuddy.

Also, nice try Norlkaz, but I do think about how I'm perceived as town.

@TAOS: It would actually not be a very bad kill; it implicates me as scum, plus, as far as I remember Slandaar didn't really do too much in the interactions department other than me, Yates, and Monkey, so it wouldn't be a very informative kill.

[Human Destroyer]

Bleh I've been too lazy on this game

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Matt-Shadowlord

Currently my favorite lynch candidate because of all the assumptions about me and Arc being supposed scum partners, which is definitely untrue and a personal matter that is quite frankly none of his business.

[Human Destroyer]

No -L- sheeped a bullshit case on me; I didn't say her case was bullshit.

[Human Destroyer]

Exactly.

[Human Destroyer]

*sigh*

I was hoping it wouldn't come to this before I got more results but I'm the Town Cop, and havingfitz is town.

[Human Destroyer]

Cool.
Any particular reason for choosing Fitz?
Why no mention of Fitz today before now, other than to ask him why he wasn't voting Monkey? (I don't see asking that question of a person who is conftown as very likely)

I think the odds of having both a gunsmith and a full cop are quite low.
I'm happy to proceed with this lynch.

1) I find that investigating a relatively null read that I think can play well can really pay off.
2) I didn't need to mention him. Duh. Also I ask questions like that of conf-town, don't be so surprised.

P-Edit: 3? I only count 2 unless I forgot one. ALSO IT'S SPELLED UNLIKELIHOOD GET IT RIGHT

[Human Destroyer]

2) I didn't need to mention him. Duh. Also I ask questions like that of conf-town, don't be so surprised.

[Human Destroyer]

...why would I need to mention him?

I don't breadcrumb if that's what your asking.

[Human Destroyer]

*you're

FML

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: HD

You people are butts

[Human Destroyer]

Nah jk y'all cool

Just don't be lynchin' ya'll cops anymo', k?