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In post 29, The Acting Method wrote:VOTE: Tochica
You are a starfish, what do you have to fear from a human destroyer?
I can stretch my destructive tendencies a bit wider to adapt, so Tochica should definitely fear.
In post 31, -L- wrote:Hello all.
No RVS? Any particular reason for this?Are you ready for this?-
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In post 35, -L- wrote:In post 33, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 29, The Acting Method wrote:VOTE: Tochica
You are a starfish, what do you have to fear from a human destroyer?
I can stretch my destructive tendencies a bit wider to adapt, so Tochica should definitely fear.
In post 31, -L- wrote:Hello all.
No RVS? Any particular reason for this?
I do not play on mafiascum often, last I played it was not required. In fact - it shouldn't be.
I never said it was; there's no need to get defensive over it.
Sore over your lack of being first? Don't worry, you'll get plenty of chances to be first in future games.
Any particular reason? Or do you just like RVS wagons?
In post 39, Tochica wrote:Hey, Fitz, what do you mean obviously? It came more as a surprise, I fully expected your vote to follow up your thoughts from the confirmation stage.
I'd like a response to this.Are you ready for this?-
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In post 41, Slandaar wrote:I just like RVS wagons.
Good scumhunting though giving me the answer to your question.
In post 42, The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I kind of like the aceofspades wagon as long as he's inactive. So for now, VOTE: theaceofspades
This vote seems to be taking an opportunity in the fact that an inactive has an RVS wagon going to vote him for a non-RVS reason. This post alone, however, doesn't make me suspicious. This does:
In post 44, The Central Scrutinizer wrote:There's everything to like about lynching people who don't contribute. Active town is good town, inactive town is bad town.
It looks like you have a couple of things going here:
a) You know he's going to flip town by the fact you say "inactive town" and nothing about "inactive scum".
b) You mention nothing about lynching scum, only lynching inactive town over active town.
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In post 46, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Vote: Human Destroyer
I don't like that HD is attacking Central on his word semantics, but not basing his votes on the actual content of the post, which is voting lurking players.
Except that isn't my whole case; his vote also looks opportunistic. Combined with the, as you put it, "word semantics", it's actually quite scummy.Are you ready for this?-
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In post 35, -L- wrote:I do not play on mafiascum often, last I played it was not required. In fact - it shouldn't be.
Myself, I find it somewhat defensive because I never required you to make an RVS vote; I simply asked why you didn't. This looks like, "Just because I didn't RVS doesn't make me bad!". However, I find it a really weak tell at best, hence why I'm not voting you.Are you ready for this?-
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In post 84, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Not to mention criticizing Central Scrutinizer for wanting to lynch lurkers.
Considering I absolutely despise policy lynches, this isn't an alignment tell for me.
Also, I'd say the case on you is far better; a scumslip is better than a backpedal in a spot where no matter what I did it would be called scummy.Are you ready for this?-
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In post 74, Yates wrote:In post 67, Matt-Shadowlord wrote:@ Yates how unlikely is it that he'd be unaware of the scumchat timing rules?
Zero percent chance.
I present to you the only evidence you need:
Wherein Monkey is scum ->
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4503839
Wherein Monkey is scum that spoke prior to game start -> http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/9exnfGLfxab
Prosecution rests.
L I recommend you read the case again
Also considering the conversation was pregame, the context actually does imply pregameAre you ready for this?-
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In post 92, Slandaar wrote:Why is he damned if he 'backpedals'; he took new information into account ie what he should do as town so where is the damning part? (there isn't one) if he were town he would not feel damned for changing his mind with the new information presented ergo he is scum.
Because there's honestly two case scenarios here:
1) I keep pushing: "His case is so weak and he's pushing it too much, he must be scum!"
2) I backpedal: "He backed down too easily, he must be scum!"
Therefore, yes, it is "damned if I do damned if I don't".
Also Monkey is so scummy right now; if he flips scum (which I think he will) I'd like to look into Slandaar more.
P-Edit: Except Yates is probably right.Are you ready for this?-
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In post 142, -L- wrote:In post 136, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 92, Slandaar wrote:Why is he damned if he 'backpedals'; he took new information into account ie what he should do as town so where is the damning part? (there isn't one) if he were town he would not feel damned for changing his mind with the new information presented ergo he is scum.
Because there's honestly two case scenarios here:
1) I keep pushing: "His case is so weak and he's pushing it too much, he must be scum!"
2) I backpedal: "He backed down too easily, he must be scum!"
Therefore, yes, it is "damned if I do damned if I don't".
Also Monkey is so scummy right now; if he flips scum (which I think he will) I'd like to look into Slandaar more.
P-Edit: Except Yates is probably right.
The issue is not on whether you were correct about there being only two views on this backpedal. The issue lies in that being the only thing you see. A townie would have seen what he'd done as a mistake. A townie wouldn't have permutated all of the possible reactions to his backpedal.
Now you see what Slandaar was getting at?
And if Yates is wrong - how do we figure that into the equation?
1) Just because I'm a townie doesn't mean I shouldn't worry about an adverse reaction to my backpedal; although I suppose I can see what he's getting at.
2) I'll worry about that later if that's what happens. Right now, we can't determine whether he's right or not, but since I believe him to be right, I can at least make that assumption until it is proven otherwise.Are you ready for this?-
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Actually Lynch all Lurkers is considered a policy lynch
Probably the most common one I've seen other than Lynch all Liars
@TCS: How do you not think MonkeyMan is scum? Just look at the whole part where he unvotes me and waits about 5 posts before voting for a lurker, which he had stated intent to vote earlier. Not only that, he voted someone who hadjust recently contributed. Wouldn't his vote be better suited for someone that's, y'know, actually not contributing if that's his angle?Are you ready for this?-
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In post 197, The Central Scrutinizer wrote:In post 174, Human Destroyer wrote:Actually Lynch all Lurkers is considered a policy lynch
Probably the most common one I've seen other than Lynch all Liars
@TCS: How do you not think MonkeyMan is scum? Just look at the whole part where he unvotes me and waits about 5 posts before voting for a lurker, which he had stated intent to vote earlier. Not only that, he voted someone who hadjust recently contributed. Wouldn't his vote be better suited for someone that's, y'know, actually not contributing if that's his angle?
Monkey says a couple of things I don't like, but my first impression upon reading the game Yates posted was that he didn't come off as playing like he did in that game. I don't see him as totally innocent, though. However, I do see him as the target of the day's first major bandwagon and argument, and because I don't see that the argument Yates is making against him has any merit whatsoever, I am inclined to believe that at least one of the people who jumped on his wagon is opportunistic scum.
Well, that's just like, your opinion man. Honestly, it's likely that many major bandwagons have at least one scum on it, but that doesn't make everyone who wagons opportunistic.
ArcAngel please explain your reads. They seem like you just pulled them out of nowhere and said "HEY THESE ARE MY READS AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY AND ABSOLUTELY TRUTHFUL YEP"Are you ready for this?-
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In post 205, theaceofspades wrote:monkey manIn post 205, theaceofspades wrote:possibly the most town sounding people
This is probablythedumbest thing said in the whole game so far.Are you ready for this?-
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In post 283, Slandaar wrote:then I will write out HD case later
Considering this is all you've really been saying about me, I'm thinking you don't really have a case and you're scum with MonkeyAre you ready for this?-
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In post 311, Slandaar wrote:OK Then
So this shows something interesting; generally as town your thought process is 'First! now lets find someone to vote!' it is not the otherway round because the way he has it is 'who will I vote ah this guy, oh and First!' its minor but basically what is likely is he found someone to vote then wanted to add something else with it ie; First, where town normally will First then vote because the vote isn't actually important; it shows how he prioritises; pointless vote and then a comment the pointless vote coming first because he needs to get that in.
This is minor anyway.
I'm not even going to bother responding to this, because this is a joke at best and a stretch at worst.
In post 33, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 31, -L- wrote:Hello all.
No RVS? Any particular reason for this?
OK so, L doesn't vote, HD asks why this is fine, except why doesn't he vote? he only has his RVS vote which was completely random; the wording is also so weak, Why didn't you vote? is stronger worded, his is quite scared in a way like hes trying to avoid conflict but look to be active and scumhunting.
Uh, no, that's just how I ask questions. If I was actually trying to avoid conflict, I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place.
In post 40, Human Destroyer wrote:
I do not play on mafiascum often, last I played it was not required. In fact - it shouldn't be.
I never said it was; there's no need to get defensive over it.
Immediately we get a 'hey I never said that! no need to be so defensive!'
So, at this point L is overdefensive and didn't vote from HD POV now, why isn't he voting then?
Because I think it's weak, and it's just an attempt at making some conversation to start the game off.
Already commented on this but it shows how pointless his scumhunting is; you do not ask someone why they did something and give them the answer to it at the same time, it makes the question meaningless as shown;
And this makes me scum how?
In post 45, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 41, Slandaar wrote:I just like RVS wagons.
Good scumhunting though giving me the answer to your question.
He just accepts it, lol. The pointlessness in all he does is clear to see, he is not scumhunting at all.
I mean does that read town? he didn't even press me on it, he accepted the answer I gave him which he gave me...
It was a line of conversation I ended up finding useless, so I felt no great need to give a real response to it.
In post 50, Human Destroyer wrote:Ugh I hate backpedaling
I didn't realize you hadn't played since 2008, nor that the meta was different back then, I apologize.
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(Calling it now: "Backpedals are scummy, vote him!")
He is thinking too much about how he is perceived.
Why is he so worried about how he will be perceived when he has simply taken new information on board and changed his mind? He DID NOT backpedal, what he did was take new information on board if he was town so, why does he think he backpedaled?
You do mean other than the fact that I don't want to get lynched, right? I'm paranoid in general.
In post 52, Human Destroyer wrote:
Myself, I find it somewhat defensive because I never required you to make an RVS vote; I simply asked why you didn't. This looks like, "Just because I didn't RVS doesn't make me bad!". However, I find it a really weak tell at best, hence why I'm not voting you.
Again, his whole opening posts regarding this and this is the end result? over defensive and not voting in RVS but its such a weak tell it wasn't enough to even warrant voting over an RVS vote?
Yes. I actually do happen to think not every little thing necessarily means scum, so I'm not going to jump the gun just for one thing I find minor anyway.
In post 136, Human Destroyer wrote:
Also Monkey is so scummy right now; if he flips scum (which I think he will) I'd like to look into Slandaar more.
Why is he associating me with Monkey? he hasn't said anything I have done is scummy, just that what? I showed the case against monkey is bad?
That isn't an associative tell like at all
*facepalm* You do mean other than the fact that you've been defending himthis whole goddamn timeright?
In post 161, Human Destroyer wrote:You're just sad you don't have a real case and that your probable scum-buddy Monkey is flailing.
And this is based on what exactly? why is he associating me with Monkey?
Because, if you had such a case, you would've probably presented it then and not waited 4+ pages (or however many it was) to post said case; it seemed like you were waiting for me to make a decently scummy move for you to post it. (I see now it isn't the case, but whatever)
In post 284, Human Destroyer wrote:
Considering this is all you've really been saying about me, I'm thinking you don't really have a case and you're scum with Monkey
As said, this again is so thoughtless; if I were scum why would I lie? its just absolutely stupid and no scum would do it especially this far from a deadline.
I repeat: association with a scummy player. Is this that difficult to grasp?
Summary is basically;
His scumhunting is fakeI'll admit I don't really scumhunt as much as others (I'm more of a lazy town player), but false is incorrect.
He cares too much about how he is perceived thinking about his next action too muchAgain, paranoia happens regardless of alignment for me.
He is basically just playing to avoid conflict (see my reaction test and how it ties into this although that doesn't make him scum)Except I actually hate 1v1s, I don't really know why you would expect me to go for something I don't like doing.
He magic'd a read on me from nowhere (which might mean he and monkey are buddies - it is very easy for him to call me scum with monkey but never give any reasoning behind it especially if monkey is scum)Originally it was all associative, but your case is stretching to fit your vote. Not only that, if you were so convinced I was scum earlier, thenwhy didn't you try to convince others of it?(And no, saying you have a case and promising you'll post it later isn't going to convince anyone)
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Slandaar
Also, I know someone asked me about my read on Yates; I think he's just a townie tunneling really hard on MonkeyMan.
Speaking of MonkeyMan, the way he handled the wagon at least somewhat satisfies me. He's off the hook, at least for now.Are you ready for this?-
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In post 122, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I'm not lying at all. I'm telling the whole truth. Besides which, if anything the situation right now is good for the town because it is causing people to take sides on an issue early in the game. Scum would not want to polorize things so much, they would want to sit back and let the town mislynch. We are getting a lot of information from this which is great for the town, so you should be thanking me.
In post 125, MonkeyMan576 wrote:The issue is that I thought it was day when fitz posted. I have no way of proving this, but there's no evidence to suggest I'm lying, merely that I made a wrong presumption as to day status when fitz's post was. It wasn't a lie, and nothing else I have said is a lie. Nothing I've said is inconsistant with what actually happened.
I mean if you really think this is a lynchable offence, by all means have at it.
In post 146, MonkeyMan576 wrote:It's called reevaluating. Some of us do it when things change during the day. Scum don't.
These in particular make me feel better about Monkey himself after rereadingAre you ready for this?-
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In post 347, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Ive listed five. You may not agree with them, but I wouldnt expect scum too.
Would you expect town to agree with them? If so, why?Are you ready for this?-
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In post 352, -L- wrote:So, am I correct in believing that HD's suspicion of Slandaar (and vote) is based on Slandaar's "defense' associative relation to Monkey?
You forgot the part where Slandaar stretched the case to fit the player
That's kind of important tooAre you ready for this?-
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Okay Alduskkel's vote is semi-serious, but the reasoning is iffy at best. However, as for ArcAngel:
In post 190, ArcAngel9 wrote:did a quick catch up.. i don't have confidence to call anyone townie yet, looks like every one is fairly acting the same.
Leaning towards town
Havingfitz
L
human destroyer
Unsure
Monkeyman
yates
Scum
the acting method
matt
tochica
She clearly has scum reads. Where's the vote to back them up?
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In post 369, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Tunneling is scummy. It means you aren't interested in looking at different options and opens up a strong possibility of confermation bias.
I disagree with this. Anti-town? Maybe. Scummy? No. Thereisa difference between the two; town is just as likely to tunnel as scum is.Are you ready for this?-
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In post 554, -L- wrote:Now - if I recall - HD hasn't posted in a long while. After hearing my peanut statement about being my bait for scum, he dropped off the thread. Anyone else notice this? Just a thought.
Yeah I know, I've been paying attention to some games more than others
I really should be balancing this one a little more
Anyway, the TCS case intrigues me, I'll actually read it in depth before I actually decide on if I'll vote him or not.Are you ready for this?-
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Okay I know I haven't really been playing the game that much
But lynching conf-town would garner you pretty much no info
The flip wouldn't do anything since they're conf-town
Why you would ever lynch a conf-town is beyond me
Also Yates v. -L- is a semantics argument that should stop, it doesn't really matter whether it's thoughts or providing a case tbh
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Hi to you too -L-!
In post 642, Slandaar wrote:In post 587, Slandaar wrote:In post 354, Human Destroyer wrote:
You forgot the part where Slandaar stretched the case to fit the player
Could you explain what you mean by this now; I had been saving this little gem.
Your case is based on my (rather erratic) playstyle, plus, some of those things are so minor that they can't even be considered scumtells.Are you ready for this?-
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