Mini 1420: The Beginning Of The End (Game Over)

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No no no, sir, I AM DA MAN! And just like in highlander, there can be only 1.

VOTE: joelsdaman1

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I like wagons and being opportunistic.
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VOTE: Trollie
I also hate Trains and what they represent.

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Joel is town

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Btw, not even close to caught up in this game. Been skimming along.

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7 pages? Really?! Sigh, I'll get to this game when I can.

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I have to say this is the most boring start to any game I've ever played in. How are we to hunt for scum when nobody posts...?

Above: From a (recent) game he was town where this is post 22 in 8 hours, which isn't that slow.

7 pages? Really?! Sigh, I'll get to this game when I can.

It doesn't seem the same guy does it?

Then check his posting history and it becomes even more apparent.

Someone's mad I killed him and won the game with my Vig ability.

3 main reason's my play this game vs other games I'm in is the game you linked was my first game back from a very long break. Second, this game blew the hell up out of nowhere and I haven't had the time to get into this one. The last reason is something I'm not going into right this second but it's there. Anyway, like I said before, I'll come play here soon as I catch up.

To answer a question directed at me somewhere, I think Joel's noob/VI. In the game Slandaar posted, we caught noob-scum (well, I caught) D1 and I don't get the same vibe from Joel. That's why I call him town.

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Ok, so caught up and I have a noob-town read on Joel, a town read on Slandaar, and a leaning scum read on Jennifer. All are mostly gut from the reading thus far. I don't like that Trollie has yet to do anything and I don't like the Om wagon. I'll...

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VOTE: Jennifer

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Naw, perfect would be not taking a stand at all. There is a lot of fluffy nonsense going on. That combined with it being day 1 means there is nothing to go on BUT gut. Why don't you like my reads?

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He thinks its awesome. I can't speak for others, but my gut reads don't come from a singular post but more of a desire to say "liar liar pants on fire" after reading all of someone's posts. Consider me talking to you Jennifer. Your posts seem fake and forced.

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He thinks its awesome.

No I don't.

@Jenn: Kthx claims that there is no read to go off on other than gut at this point. Slandaar claims that town should not need a read and that gut is enough to vote. Kthx didn't endorse using gut while Slandaar claimed that that's the only thing you need.

Oooooh, that's not what I meant. Let me clarrify, I said that there is nothing but gut meaning that on Day 1 there is no concrete evidence. This means there is no analysis to be had than to analyze what your gut is saying about a persons posts. I stand by that all D1 reads are gut, but this doesn't mean that your gut doesn't get the info from somewhere. Make sense? I just choose to try and not take one post and make it fit a scummy vibe and go after that person for it, I choose to take the sum of posts and see what my gut tells me about them (seem forced, fake, mis-rep'ed, etc).

@Ell: No i can't, it's a vibe I get from reading them as a whole. I've explained my process and if you don't like it, vote me.

@Jenn: I get a town feeling from reading Om so a wagon on him is dumb?

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P234 was a waste of time to read. Trollie, why would you analyze rvs.....like ever?

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P234 was a waste of time to read. Trollie, why would you analyze rvs.....like ever?

Trollie said that he only read the very first page... (which doesn't help him here, but it's relevant)

Yes, this was my point. Why spend time analyzing rvs if you're limited on time trollie?

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are you fucking kidding me...why do you think we have RVS in the first place. Its where all the fucking scum are like "derp derp, its RVS so no one will care what i do" and then they do stupid shit.

Yeah...uh...I do this as town.

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Yeah....I hate D1's. Next vote count I'm just hopping on the biggest wagon....unless it's me for posting this of course.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Joel

I'm a man of my word.

My town read on Joel has gone away now that he hasn't posted in ages. He's hasn't posted in any game since the 3rd though. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up replacing out.

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Psst, I'm town

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Also, to everyone saying I'm scum...why are there zero votes on me? Seriously, I'll personally guarantee that at least one person saying I'm scum is scum. Just don't know which....

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Prolly Jenn or q21. Slandaar and Dann give me town vibes.

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Personal guarantee goodmorning.

Meh, they don't sound forced so there is that. Not much to go on for ztife though...

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Let's kill Joel then trollie I say

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Elleran's jump onto my forming wagon is weak.

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ooor...I'm looking at who jumps on for bad reasons....since, you know, I'm town.

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ooor...I'm looking at who jumps on for bad reasons....since, you know, I'm town.

You'll probably think I'm stupid for asking you this and you are allowed, should you be so inclined, to call me an idiot a maximum of 3 times in your response to this, but....
If you were someone other than yourself, what would you look at in your posts that would tell you that you were town? Would anything in your iso seem strange to you?

You're not an idiot. I'm scummy when I'm town. I'm also a dick. I'd be Mich more of a dick if I were interested in this game to this point. However, lately some things have peeked my interest so expect some thoughts from me later (on phone atm.). I have one scum game recently if you're so inclined to meta me.

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How's this for town.
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VOTE: Elleran

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VOTE: q21
Well, at least D2 is easy.

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Guess I have to explain it for the not as smart as me's....

It's fairly easy. I'm playing the simple odds game. Near 100% chance odds say 1 scum was on Elleran's wagon. Very good odds (above 50%) say 2 scum were on Elleran's wagon. Let's look at the wagon.

Slandaar,

TheTrollie

, goodmorning, q21, Nachomamma8,

Dannflor

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I have a town read on Slandaar. Leaning town on Nacho's slot. That leaves q21 and goodmorning. Neither of which give me town vibes. Could easily see both being scum after goodmorning's comment here post 438.

Q's jump back onto Elleran, post 393, is forced.

Bam, scum caught, you're welcome.
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On another note, I really don't like these from Jennifer: post 439 and post 440. Could easily see her as scum with these. IE, "we go after the easy kthxbye lynch tomorrow, ok guys?" Out of all the scummy shit I posted D1, you come out with my hammer as your reason for voting? Too noob-scum a move, sorry. Also, an SK killing Trollie has to be about the dumbest thing I've heard. Trollie was viewed by many as scummy. I agree scum didn't kill him, but assuming another anti-town role did is like arguing with your reason for scum not doing it! Why would an SK want to get rid of anyone town has scum-vibes from? Makes no sense.
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As for explaining my hammer....well...uh...I thought the cases were good and voted someone I thought could be scum? duh? I'd go into my being impulsive and reiterate that I hate D1's again, but I won't....cept I just did....oops.
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VOTE: Jennifer

I think.

I could be down for this, but I think someone from Elleran's wagon needs to die first.

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This doesn't make sense. You thought Trollie was scum, but you don't think that a vigilante would have the same thoughts as you?

Yep, I pushed for Trollie's lynch Day 1 and couldn't get interest in it, most people giving him a town read. I eventually had to switch targets because it wasn't a viable lynch. Elleran was the only one was interested, and Kthx hammered him.

Also, I don't buy Kthx's defense "My move was too scummy for me to be scum."

Out of my entire post, this is your response?

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lol psyche, sorry, soft claiming Cop wasn't what I was going for.

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Also, yeah, I can't give you like actual number odds, but it's what's logical and is based on my experience.

Don't actually know how I feel about Q's last post. I'm having mixed feelings about it since it reads townish and I had him at scumish.....

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Nacho: it just felt real and not forced.

MOD: I believe Q is voting Z

Mod: Fixed

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With nothing but vt's dead, a mass claim prolly isn't such a great idea at this point. On the other hand, if there is info gathered that leads to scum lynching, thenmaybe a claim of said info would be good as we prolly won't be as lucky n2....

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The more I think on it, the more I am changing my mind on the MC.

Popcorn is good and I think I should start it.

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Slandaar, goodmorning, q21, Nachomamma8, kthxbye

Not lynching someone in the above group is a mistake, period. Pushing for a lynch of someone that isn't one of these 5 people will be and should be looked at as scummy hence forth. I'm not kidding and the reason should be obvious. It was a mistake by scum targeting people on the wagon of a mislynch and for us to not take advantage of it would be just plain stupid.

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Not even close to true DRK. Wagon analysis and night kills are the only non-speculation info town gets. To not use them is stupid.

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Here's why I'm taking this stance. There are 4 people on the wagon out of which there is a near 100% surety that at least 1 is scum (maybe/probably 2). That is a 25% (50% if 2 scum were on it) chance that we hit scum with nobody saying a word. Worst case scenario, we mislynch someone OUT OF THOSE 4. That means there is now a 33.3% (66.6% if 2 scum were on it) chance come D3 of lynching scum without ever saying a word.

If we lynch outside of that group of 4 today, the percentage does not increase like this come D3 but rather stays at 25% (50%). This is assuming that scum doesn't do us a favor and NK one of them that is....

So, as you can see, lynching someone out of the 4 (minus me, I know) is better for town than not. Town PR's can only help this as well.

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Fair, but as I said, lynching off the wagon doesn't reduce the suspect pool on it in a mislynch situation. But you're not wrong either. I won't argue this anymore then.

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I like it. Mainly for 2 reasons. One, it's solid. Two, it's one of the 4.

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You should vote Q21 and put your money where your mouth is.

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Cuz I think Jennifer is scummy as well

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That's 4 eh? Let's make it 5. I like DRK's side of the argument and Slandaar was on D1 mis-lynch wagon.

VOTE: Slandaar

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True story. I even vig'd him to win the game IIRC.

Thanks for the B-day wish!

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grudging?!!!

Thanks though!

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We do have like 8 days left till deadline. No need to be hasty I suppose.

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Slandaar, would we be going after a vt lynch today with a mass claim, or a PR that doesn't fit? How many vt claims do you expect?

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DRK, GM, Kwll....you guys planning on lynching claimed doc today?

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I don't like Ztife wagon as 2 people I get scum vibes from are on it.....

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I'm back to nacho/q/gm being scum as I'm leaving the doc claimed slandaar alone for today. DRK seems town and is following Nacho. No idea how to read nacho or Q. More votes on q can't hurt.

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VOTE: q21

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Or he's scum...which I could see..../shrug

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Psyche is my new hero. Lead on capt, lead on.
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VOTE: GM

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I read it and already made you my hero, what more do you want? So did q21. We dont need drk, lead on.

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Kill it!!!!

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Eff it. I'll switch cuz Nacho makes sense (as usual). I've never played with GM before, but Nacho sounds sincere.
Am I sheeping? Hell yeah I am. Am I buddying nacho? Yup. Don't like it? Start a wagon.

VOTE: q21

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Ok, I know I've been pretty useless so far this game.

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VOTE: GM

Can easily and with clear conscious switch ^that to a Ztife vote. Here's why:

Eff it. I'll switch cuz Nacho makes sense (as usual). I've never played with GM before, but Nacho sounds sincere.
Am I sheeping? Hell yeah I am. Am I buddying nacho? Yup. Don't like it? Start a wagon.

VOTE: q21

For the record I'm willing to lynch this scum as well

q21 today, psyche tomorrow.

Wait a second, I'm scum you dolt, remember? No?...Odd, because you literally posted it on the previous page! Scum-face number 1

Slandaar, that is probably the worst argument I've ever seen.

I don't really know how I feel about this q21 thing, he does give off a weird sort of feeling to me and he is in the small group of people I'm not calling Town, but I just don't know if he's the best lynch right this second. Gut's not that great to base a case on.
I am willing to deadline hammer him though, and intend to do so barring some claim of importance sometime Sunday morning EST.

Wow, it literally doesn't get more distancing from a mislynch and fence-sitty than this post right here. Scum-face number 2.

We lynch Z or GM today. Obviously we don't lynch Q and if we have a doc in the house, they'd better do their fucking job....OH HO! We DO have a doc in the house (claimed at least)...tonight should be interesting for scum if slandaar is fake claiming....

I'm a super awesome PR that is gonna be very useful tonight btw, can't wait to claim! Better yet, I hope I get to go last so I can see if scum try and fake claim it! Just kidding, I'm VT and conf town by our cop (yeah, I believe the claim barring a counter claim).

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Actually....

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VOTE: Ztife

Ztife is on the Q wagon and GM is avoiding it till deadline. Again, either or, both are scum.

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Ok scum.

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I first and second the lynch of GM some time very soon. (read: before or after Zt)

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I highly doubt scum goes and claims cop. If we lynch q21 and he flips scum, I'll vote myself tomorrow. That said, my reads on Z and GM are better than your reads on mala, q, and me, Nacho..... I love you, but you're very much off your rocker.

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I was thinking about that...and I don't have an answer. Prolly about the same motivation scum Q would have to claim cop in the first place. Unless they are playing the odds game seeing as 3 town are dead. We lynch Q, he flips cop (got the cop outa the way) and scum get a NK or 2 (vig/sk miss scum) all for the price of 1. Also, we haven't finished the mass claim nor have we made a list of what powers are claimed. It could be that we have a cop and a tracker depending on how heavy this game is in PR's.

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Fuck all, I don't know. Slandaar is being too quiet too.

1. goodmorning_____________
2. Kthxbye_________________VT
3. Ztife ___________________Tracker
4. Slandaar________________Doc
5. Dannflor________________VT
6. Malakittens Psyche Om_____VT
7. Nachomamma8 Rondar_____
8. DeathRowKitty___________
9. Kwll joelsdaman1_________
10. Elleran_________________VT
11. Jennifer________________
12. TheTrollie_______________VT
13. q21____________________cop

Fine, I will eat my words if Q flips scum. I will not however drop that GM is scum. ESPECIALLY if Q flips scum. Looking at my own reason for thinking GM is scum, it actually makes more sense to be scum with Q than with Z.

Am I missing any claims?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Q21

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1. goodmorning_____________
2. Kthxbye_________________VT
3. Ztife ___________________Tracker
4. Slandaar________________Doc
5. Dannflor________________VT
6. Malakittens Psyche Om_____VT
7. Nachomamma8 Rondar_____VT
8. DeathRowKitty___________
9. Kwll joelsdaman1_________
10. Elleran_________________VT
11. Jennifer________________
12. TheTrollie_______________VT
13. q21____________________cop

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There is a Vig/Sk in there somewhere and prolly a scum hiding in the VT group. We are at least agreed that either Z or Q are scum and prolly not both?

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Q: you should prolly post something about your current situations. Also, could you be kind enough to post us your reads?

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Do we want to finish it today though? If you all are so sure Q is scum based on Z, then I don't see a reason to out the possible town Vig till tomorrow.

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I mean, if Q flips scum, then scum must currently choose out of the 3 who haven't claimed (prolly less if one is scum like I believe) to hit the vig as if slandaar is actually a doc, he will protect Z. If we finish the claims, we lose the possible town NK.

That said, I think the Vig/Sk should kill GM tonight.

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....hit the vig/sk* and* if slandaar is actually a doc,....

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I guess that works cuz if Q flips town, then doc can protect vig. Though if it's not a vig but and sk...

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OK, so 4 left to claim. Who's next? I say GM personally.

p.edit: how so? I thought the common fake claim for an sk was town vig.

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Unvote Q21 untill massclaim ends

Why hasn't GM claimed yet? this is ridiculous.

Jennifer actually is probably town she can claim last the other 3;

DRK/GM/Kwll

Need to just claim or get lynched.

I agree with this
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It is entirely possible for town to have tracker and cop

I am conftown at this point btw

Kthx has been quiet recently hes probably scum (said by the guy with the highest post count in game just fyi kthx)

1. It's not entirely possible unless scum are stacked with an RB and GF at least. It would take a very strong PR heavy scum team to justify 2 investigative roles
2. Why? Hell, if you actually believe that both are not lying, I'm more confirmed than anyone.
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Since people want Goodmorning to claim next, I'll share what I know. Goodmorning and I are neighbors. Neighbors, not masons, so I don't know GM's alignment, and I also don't know if she has any other abilities. This is why I didn't want to lynch GM, as I had another avenue to examine.

GM should confirm whether she has any additional powers and Kwll should claim now.

What are your thoughts on GM based off private convo? Is something not adding up (like GM's play in this game) in your private talks?

1. goodmorning_____________Neighbor (w/ Jennifer)
2. Kthxbye_________________VT
3. Ztife ___________________Tracker
4. Slandaar________________Doc
5. Dannflor________________VT
6. Malakittens Psyche Om_____VT
7. Nachomamma8 Rondar_____VT
8. DeathRowKitty___________
9. Kwll joelsdaman1_________
10. Elleran_________________VT
11. Jennifer________________Neighbor (w/GM)
12. TheTrollie_______________VT
13. q21____________________cop

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He actually did redo the case. He posted it in a wall then posted it again in bullet format.

You can personally correlate your read of GM based off your other game, you just can't come up with explanations for your reads or links to it.

What was talked about last night? Shared reads? Thoughts on who to go after today? Don't quote but be general if you can/want to.

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1. goodmorning_____________Neighbor (w/ Jennifer)
2. Kthxbye_________________VT
3. Ztife ___________________Tracker
4. Slandaar________________Doc
5. Dannflor________________VT
6. Malakittens Psyche Om_____VT
7. Nachomamma8 Rondar_____VT
8. DeathRowKitty___________VT
9. Kwll joelsdaman1_________
10. Elleran_________________VT
11. Jennifer________________Neighbor (w/GM)
12. TheTrollie_______________VT
13. q21____________________cop

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1. goodmorning_____________Neighbor (w/ Jennifer)

2. Kthxbye_________________VT

3. Ztife ___________________Tracker
4. Slandaar________________Doc

5. Dannflor________________VT

6. Malakittens Psyche Om_____VT
7. Nachomamma8 Rondar_____VT
8. DeathRowKitty___________VT
9. Kwll joelsdaman1_________

10. Elleran_________________VT

11. Jennifer________________Neighbor (w/GM)

12. TheTrollie_______________VT

13. q21____________________cop

^This is what we know for sure (minus my green from ya'lls PoV)

Tracker could = partial truth as in scum tracker. Cop could = fake claim. Without a Vig claim, we have an SK. With an SK and all the VT's, we prolly have a weak PR game meaning one of Q or Z is a liar face. We also would have a probable 2 man scum team.

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I might as well put DRK in green with his last post. If that was a scum post, I'd be very surprised/impressed....

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You do realize that if we lynch q, he flips cop, and you don't die, you will be lynched tomorrow right?

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Really mala? Only defense? No comments on setup?

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Except this setup analysis is kinda special as we have 2 claimed investigative roles.

Also, I'm basically confirmed town the more I think about it. If Q is scum fake claiming, he knows I'm town thus his 'result'. If he's a Cop, I'm still town. Only way I'm not town is if Q isn't sane or Q and I are both scum. Neither of those are true as an insane cop would have me as not-town and I'm not scum with Q.

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VOTE: Q21

L-1

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And its still just l-1....

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So scum fake claims cop and calls his scum buddy investigated town? Really? You guys make me want to /wrists...