Mini 1433 - State Farm Mafia - Game over

[absta101]

People voting without 'random' reasons? Wtf is this?

VOTE: doctor
Hydras posting twice. Trying to spam the game up.

[absta101]

Marangal could also be scum for asking a pointless question about who the hydras are.

vote: Marangal

[absta101]

Great! Caught one.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

-DGB

He was already in your scum pile though.

[absta101]

@Xeg

- I never said that...

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@Hiraki

uh post

will read later

What's the point of this?

[absta101]

Why does an assumption mean you should keep your vote there? Especially when you're just going to move it again so effortlessly.

Cause i found what absta said odd, but i dislike what fish said.

Was anything we said scummy or just something you disliked/found odd?
I don't see why you "liked" your vote on me if what I did wasn't scummy.

[absta101]

Not sure about BEF. His playstyle is different from Newbie 1330 (where he was town) but it doesn't seem like he's playing scum. It looks more like an act, like he's trying to 'troll'/look dumb.

@BrightEye

- How much experience do you have as scum?
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@Bacde

I'ma just Vote: Revenus since it seems like no one else has noticed this scum

What do you mean?
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@Xeg

You put "though" at the end. As if to disagree with him. The only thing he had done was vote and therefore i can only assume you disagreed with the vote.

And so i asked, is that a reason not to vote?

Do you care for my answer to this question? You haven't pushed it or mentioned that I still haven't answered it.

[absta101]

Do you care for my answer to this question? You haven't pushed it or mentioned that I still haven't answered it.

It was a rhetorical question.

What were you expecting scum-absta would do in response to your pressure vote?

[absta101]

WTF? you have to Unvote first. Why am I scummy here?

Give me 2 reasons.

You're over reacting.
VOTE: KeyBlade


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I agree that Fish replacing out makes him look like newb scum caving under pressure.
I support his waggon.

Gut scum read on Xeg atm.

[absta101]

If Key were to flip scum, IFM would be conf town. Either one of them are good lynches. BEF (IFM) was playing differently to his newbie game, as I said earlier, so his slot could still be scum as well.

Does anyone know in what kind of games both the neighbourhood players would be town?
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@Xeg - I'm not seeing much from you. Are you still voting the odd players only or do you have an opinion on who is scum yet?

[absta101]

@Rev

Why?

You still haven't put any reason forward.

Does it matter? IMO, she's probably lying/exaggerating. Why would she replace into a game with you in it?

@KeyBlade

- You can answer that. ^

[absta101]

Quick reply:

Is it that hard to pay attention to what is going on in the game?

Its more of a combination of not having as much free time and it being a bigger game than i am used to.

Okay, now you're a strong scum read. Using the 'noob card' like this is something I've done before as scum.

If I wasn't voting Keyblade I'd be voting you.

[absta101]

Quick reply:
@Doctor - What was the setup?

[absta101]

@Xeg

Hmm, the two people voting for me vote for the same person in quick succession.

When have I voted you before?

Why is that?

Your pressure vote didn't seem genuine.

You've seen even less from Safety or Lurker, why only question me?

You were my gut scum read.

Nice, "Why me!?" though. Trying to deflect suspicion away from yourself and onto others.

And why not vote for me if i am a strong scum read?

Your waggon wasn't viable until now.
VOTE: Xeg
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@Kesh

Keyblade didn't replace into this game.

K, nvm what I said.

[absta101]

Quick reply:
@Doctor - What was the setup?

It's here.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25510

-DGB

Thanks.

Town only had PRs? Wtf kind of game was that...

[absta101]

Prod dodge.

More votes on Xeg.

[absta101]

My bad!

Glad to see you in this game

[absta101]

Ruh roh, never finished my ISO's yesterday. Will try to get it sometime today, though I'm semi-VLA-ing for the next couple days.

IFM wagon is interesting - Hiraki, why IFM?

Hearing from KBW and Zoidberg more in general would be super!

Trying to leave the Xeg waggon?

We can deal with IFM tomorrow. Xeg is our man today.

[absta101]

btw Kash, how much experience do you have?

[absta101]

Everyone's hating on Rev now?

@Rev - I'll protect you if you vote Xeg.

[absta101]

Xeg's slot is scum and you guys are going to let him slide.

[absta101]

Xeg was active lurking before he went V/LA, posting in other games but not here. I forgot to say.

We should leave IFM and KBW alive. Scum will probably target them.

@Kash - Do you think it's possible that both KBW and IFM are town?

[absta101]

@kash - it's just something I usually ask possible scum reads.
How much scum experience do you have?

Zdnek doesn't have to explain anything that Xeg has done. All he has to do is 1)Make up some reads.
2) Get lynched.
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@Yoshi - Did you also notice Xeg (and a lot more) leaving the game?

[absta101]

Ahhh, thank you for reminding me. IFM is very likely town due to how BEF was acting.

Also, town will lose this game. Xeg replaces out and now no one is voting him. I wouldn't be surprised if Kash was his partner as well.
If you guys decide to lynch me, just lynch these two next and I'll be happy.

[absta101]

What do you mean by "pin a mislynch on me"? Xeg isn't mislynch...
Why would I misrep you there anyway?

I must've misunderstood you. It seemed as if you were trying to leave the Xeg waggon after Hiraki (would have) told you why IFM was scummy.

It feels like you know something about the Xeg lynch that I don't...

Yeah, maybe i'm Xeg's scum partner. Or, maybe you are?

[absta101]

@Doctor

- I'm not voting Keyblade.

Regarding Xeg:

- His last post in this game was #207 on March 20th.
- He then posted 5 times the next day (March 21st) in a different game from around 6 am - 8 pm (my time).
- He V/LA'd here and elsewhere on the 23rd.

He could've posted here on the 21st as he was quite active on that day. It's not vote worthy by itself though imo.
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@Bacde

- What do you think of Xeg/Kash?

[absta101]

@Zed - BEF was playing different to his VT game.
He was acting weird on purpose.
IFM claims PR.
Everything fits. I've seen a lot of PRs play 'scummy'/weird so that they don't get NKd.

[absta101]

Why is there a waggon on IFM? He's town 100%.

[absta101]

AP wtf are you doing? Okay Xeg's my partner, just lynch him first. I don't want you thinking he's town/neutral after I flip town.

Let's do this guys!!!

Vote Xeg!

[absta101]

Also yeah, the neighbourhood is probably town:town.

If I'm wrong about Xeg, I'll jump off a building. If I'm right, kill Kash next.

YEAH! We can do this!

[absta101]

Put me on V/LA please

This made me lol.

[absta101]

Bacde stop avoiding the Zed waggon. Forget Rev and Lurker and just vote Zed, it's that simple.

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@Rev - I want to keep them alive so we don't waste our Zed lynch on them.

Kash is gut. I've said it before.

[absta101]

Kash, I'm one person who finds you scum. What am I setting you up for? Do you honestly think scum-absta would expect people to follow him on just a simple "fake" gut scum read?

Me having a scum read on you is null. I don't see how it can rub you the wrong way. I think you're talking crap.

[absta101]

@AP

- Yeah.

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@Bacde

Absta is not a good lynch
Yoshi just gained scumpoints

Why not Safety?

If you haven't noticed, I'm avoiding your wagon as well

Yeah, that's because i'm town. Why are you avoiding scum?

I can't believe newb scum replaces out and all suspicion disappears when the replacement makes some catch-up posts. Zdneck's catch-up is null considering his experience.

[absta101]

UNVOTE: Lurker
VOTE: absta101

I still want that non-exclusive list of reads. From what I can recall, you have only been calling people Scum. Who are your townreads?

1. I just said IFM.
2. Revealing all your town reads is useful how?

[absta101]

@AP

Be careful with that DGB, I don't think that post from absta was _that_ townie. Its not like posting that as scum takes much creativity. In fact, its a pretty easy mindset to try and fake

and he was very deliberate about posting it.

What do you mean with the bolded?

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@Safety

I'm agreeing with the absta lynch though. Not liking the attempt at sarcasm either.

Hard to know what to make of it all without a flip, ergo

(vote absta101)

What the fuck is this shit?

Also, how is "attempting sarcasm" scummy?

Why do you agree with my lynch specifically?

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@Kash

It's more like you keep mentioning it as an extra afterthought that is unnecessary in the situation. I wouldn't find it weird except you keep bringing it up. Though I was skimming yesterday and Rev asking you about it was part of it so that was partly influencing it.

Not "partly", fully! I was responding to him...

It just seems like you keep bringing up these points now for something later on, like after the lynch today.

What? Why would that be helpful to scum-absta. Even if I were scum and you were right about me setting something up, how would I know who would get lynched?

[absta101]

Urg, I'll try to keep an open mind wrt Lurker, but his post where he calmly explained why he did everything he did read really genuine to me.

I can keep this in mind

but you gotta do the same about absta

im serious here

Why am I a town read?

[absta101]

actually after #446 I'm really unsure

I still gut think you are town

lemme ISO you

Answer the question in #446 please.

[absta101]

Fair enough.

[absta101]

Even if Safety is a town read, shouldn't he ALSO get +scum points?

[absta101]

not really, his vote was way less opportunistic and had better reasoning

I hope you're scum.

You are, aren't you?

[absta101]

I actually like this post; it's really easy for scum to go "well if these guys don't flip scum, you can lynch me after" and then by the time the next day rolls through after the mislynch, no one holds them accountable.

Right now I don't really care if I get lynched first.

If any of these die, my mission is complete:
Zed
Kash
Safety
Yoshi (bonus)
Bacde

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@Kash

That's why it feels weird. It makes me think Xeg is town and you are trying to make it seem like I pushed a mislynch

This obviously doesn't work because i'm the one pushing his lynch the hardest.

Xeg is scum and you are trying to push a buss.

Push a buss?
You mean to say i'm trying to sacrifice Xeg/Zed for the small chance of getting town-you with him? If scum-absta wanted you dead, why not just NK you? Generally scum go after more easier targets. I'm like the only one who is suspicious of you. It doesn't make sense.

[absta101]

not really, his vote was way less opportunistic and had better reasoning

I hope you're scum.

You are, aren't you?

yep, you caught me

Spoiler alert Breaking Bad:

[absta101]

@absta, can you answer #473 as well as the question above?

When I get back.

As for your other question.
Zed
You or Safety
Kash

I can see either you or Kash working with Zed.

[absta101]

Also, I think that's L-2 before people jump on the BW and claim they didn't know.

Np, you better self vote after I flip town.

Btw, i'm a VT. Sorry for the early claim but this needs to happen.

[absta101]

Ha ha haaa. RY isn't scum. He's just crazy. After he flips town we'll kill Zed or Bacde. Kash can get vigged or SK'd

[absta101]

If all else fails, kill safety.

[absta101]

^^Are you even reading anymore?

Can you tell your scum buddies to push my lynch instead please.

Also, when did you get so good at being scum? Nearly everyone's got you as a town read...

[absta101]

This day should've ended ten pages ago.

I'm okay with a lurker lynch atm. He could be scum and he's being nearly as useless as I am. Not good, not good.

[absta101]

@Rach - My old avatar is old.
This isn't my new playsyle or anything. I just want to die already, I'm so disconnected from this game. Still really confident in my Xeg scum read though. That's the only reason I started 'looking' for his buddies, I normally don't do that without a flip.

[absta101]

@Bacde - You're voting me, why do the hell would YOU want me to replace out?
I'm right about you being scum aren't I? Just admit it ffs.

[absta101]

@Bacde - Haha, sorry about that. Let's just lynch Lurker for now and we can discuss everything else tomorrow. Okay?

Vote: Lurker

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@Kash - I wonder why. This'll be good.

[absta101]

absta is town, town, town.

There is exactly one scum on his wagon.

AngryPidgeon, SafetyDance, RandomYoshi, Kashoodles, Lurker (L-2)

Kash
Safety
Lurker.

I narrowed it doen for you.

[absta101]

Damn typos. This phone...

[absta101]

pedit- throw Hiraki into people I'm willing to vote

Why?
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@Zoid - IFM is town, no doubt. BEF was playing like a 'newb' PR.

[absta101]

Don't protect AP please.

If there is a cop, look into Zed, Kash, Bacde or Safety.

[absta101]

No, he's just wrong. He thinks i'm scum, Zed town and thought Lurker "town".

[absta101]

VOTE: Zed

Don't know what Hiraki's doing...

[absta101]

It's not about being part of a waggon. As long as scum dies I'm happy. It would've been better had he killed one or two of you before we caught him.

[absta101]

Finally, some Zed votes.

Bacde, you don't want to miss out on two scum lynches now, do you? Vote him, for town's sake.

[absta101]

1. I'm VT, so nothing.

2. AP is a "neighbour guy", he wouldn't have seen any actions.

3. Either lynch Zed or me and be done with it. I will say I told you so in the end.

[absta101]

I've already claimed before, wtf..

Also, both the neighbours are town and Bacde is prob scum.

[absta101]

umm absta could you elaborate on the would have been better if he had killed thingy? makes no sense.

Also keep in mind peeps that scum as well as town do not like an SK because the SK is not on their side either. Hence the 3rd party.

I was talking to Bacde. If SK had lived to kill one or two of scum, that would've been awesome.

[absta101]

@Rach - He could've killed either Bacde or Kash. They're both prob scum and some thought them town D1. Win win!

Anyway, what do you think of Bacde, Zed and Safety?

[absta101]

Unvote, Vote: Absta

alright well fuck you guys

my scumlist is impeccable ap will die tomorrow after absta flips town etc. etc.

No, after/before I flip town we lynch Zed. No. 1 priority.

[absta101]

Zed is just pro at scum is all.
I'm quite surprised at the support I got at the start of today.
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@Kash - How confident are you in Zed being scum?

[absta101]

I'll support a Bacde lynch ofc. Although, unless more people vote Bacde, I'm staying on Zed.

@Bacde - Vote Zed please. If he flips town (lol) I'll let you off the hook.

[absta101]

Just vote Zed. If you know yourself to be %100 town. Preserv yourself by voting Zed (As long as he isn't conf town to you, which he isn't in this case).

Otherwise sit there and die with a derp mindset/ non-town mindset.

[absta101]

Forget about RY. He's probably just busy, not scum.

[absta101]

Why claim...?

What if someone else got protected or someone JKd? What does your claim do for us?
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Also, when Zed fake claims PR don't counter claim him, just lynch him.
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@Rev - was I that obvious!? I seriously need to stop openly protecting my partners.

[absta101]

ffs Hiraki.

Scum, kill him tonight!

[absta101]

Kash, even though you're prob scum, you're my favourite player so far. Who should we lynch after Zed?
I think Bacde, Hiraki or Safety. The last two because they're both crazy and are trying to make us lose.

[absta101]

Actually, fuck it. I don't support a Kash lynch atm. He's doing way more for town regardless of alignment.

[absta101]

Guys, guys! CALM the FUCK DOWN!

You're all getting worked up. Just relax. You can V/LA for the rest of today irl if you need to. Tomorrow we lynch Zed and move forward.

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@Kash - I can see where he's coming from with this 'breaking the rules' situation but he should probably go next. We'll see how things go.

[absta101]

I was stopping the argument between safety and everyone. Then I said we should kill him...

[absta101]

You were quite convincing Day 1. Some good acting.

[absta101]

I will remember this Bacde, we all will.

Zed is mod confirmed scum now.

[absta101]

Bacde, did you guys no-kill?

[absta101]

@SD - You're too kind.

[absta101]

Rach and Bacde, don't you want to be a part of the scum lynch?

If I get NKd, just lynch Bacde next. If not, I'm going to push his lynch tomorrow.

[absta101]

Mod can you replace RY, this game is at a halt. We need fresh blood.

working on it

[absta101]

Ffs, Bacde is scum but he's not VIABLE!!!!

@Maj - Greetings. Don't sheep Hiraki please.

[absta101]

@Kash - We should lynch Rev next. He keeps avoiding Zed. Waya think?

[absta101]

Zed's a better lynch.
SD is probably just a crazy guy.
SD isn't viable.
Why's he self voting?
Etc.

[absta101]

Fair enough.

Maj is sheeping you which means you could finish it right now. I don't think you've got it in you though.

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EBWOP - Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah boy!
Claim Zed! Hahahahahaha.

[absta101]

Lol Zed, you should've said something else. Anyway, hammer away. He's lying.

[absta101]

GG Zed.

Bacde you're next.

[absta101]

@absta, can you answer #473 as well as the question above?

When I get back.

As for your other question.

Zed

You or Safety
Kash

I can see either you or Kash working with Zed.

Fixed.

[absta101]

What I was told is it sounds kinda fishy but could be normal.

Absta I love you but yeah you have been so tunneling like mad on Z dude I kinda want to hear from a few others before I hammer...

Jiffy? DGB ?

Fair enough.

Keep an eye on Bacde, SD and kill Kash last. He'll help you kill scum.

[absta101]

@Maj - Greetings. Don't sheep Hiraki please.

Why? He looks town, and he's a fairly competent player.

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That was a shitty hammer fyi.

Hammers on scum are good hammers.

[absta101]

We should kill Bacde.

Brb.

[absta101]

Who did Rach find town/scum?

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If SD waggon grows i'm gonna have to vote Kash.

@AP - We can kill Bacde then track Kash and win. Unless they kill you. At least you'll know that Kash and Bacde are scum.

[absta101]

@Bacde - Why's Kash scum?

[absta101]

Zoid is town, I'm town, everybody's town cept Bacde and Kash.

AP is borderline crazy.
VOTE: Bacde

If this takes too long i'm gonna claim guilty on Bacde. That would make this too easy though.

[absta101]

In an attempt of objectiveness, care to point out any games of yours where you have replaced in as town and actually been good?

Still happy with my vote on SD. Game is highly unreadable. Zoidberg is probably the worst of them all. Losing interest in this game at a maddeningly rapid pace.

@Maj - If you're bored, just sheep me. Bacde is a very good, solid scum lynch. Trust.

Nay, nay. DGB.

This is the only guy (other than me) who we can sheep in this game (if he's voting Kash).

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@SD

- If Bacde fliped scum, would I be a scum read to you?

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@Kash

- Are you still supporting the Bacde waggon?

[absta101]

You can't just ask me for a case, wtf...

Hiraki I was supporting you, the fuck!?

[absta101]

@Maj - Vote Kash or Bacde and i'll protect you. I really can't be bothered to build a case on Bacde. He's mainly gut.
SD can die if Bacde or Kash aren't scum. These two seem to fit best with Zed.

@Kash - You should've just self voted or something.

[absta101]

hi guys!

can someone give me the tl;dr version of what is going on?

You and Bacde are scum. Your partner Zed has been lynched and you/Bacde will die next.

SD keeps trying to mod-kill the town players who argue with him.

AP has claimed everything that can be claimed.

[absta101]

hiraki are you scum again like I spotted you in my very first game on this site in my very first post

Either you're right, again (have you even read the game?) or you're scum talking complete shit.

[absta101]

Im going to apply some critical thinking. But I think I want Bacde. Im PoEing out scenarios in my head slowly.
@Dzmd: this is def not simple. Trust me. Someone is trying to outguess me actively

Bacde is manipulating you as we speak. Vote him so we can end this!

[absta101]

because his least favorite players correctly pegged him as scum

Like every other time you peg me as scum, right?

I don't think you're scum. If you vote Bacde i'll tell these guys all about it.

[absta101]

talking complete shit.

This may or may not be alignment related according to Zoidberg in our QT.

-DGB

It's null.

[absta101]

I know.

[absta101]

Wtf, how is doctor scum!?
(@Doctor - *wink)

[absta101]

Fuck this, I'm conf town. Call me when you lynch Bacde or w/e.

[absta101]

Btw guys, I lied about being a VT. I'm a cop with a guilty on Bacde and an innocent on SD.

I crumbed it a few pages back I think.

So all vote Bacde ffs.

[absta101]

JUST VOTE BACDE. He's conf scum!!!!!

[absta101]

What the motherfucking shit are you guys doing!

KILL BACDE!

[absta101]

Yo you arent confirmed town anymore how do you feel

At first, rofl, then I realised this situation is completely crazy now. I wouldn't be surprised if I get lynched and we lose.

As for your other question. I've fakeclaimed once before which nearly lost us the game (like AP here) but also made us win. It was a newbie game.

[absta101]

Also, "if Bacde flips town" i'll self vote and die np.

Now lynch him.

[absta101]

@Pirate - Vote Bacde. Don't be like the losers.

[absta101]

AP is fucking pissing me off. Just fucking kill Bacde. Stop fucking thinking, you're creating bs noise.

I AM COP.

[absta101]

STFU! PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE STFUUUUUUUUUU!

[absta101]

absta just admit that you aren't cop ffs

what are you doing

Wtf is wrong with you? Are you seriously trying to convince me i'm not cop? I KNOW I'M COP, YOU STFU.

[absta101]

Just shut the FUUUUUUCK UP!!

[absta101]

@Scum - If you kill AP tonight I won't report a guilty on you.

[absta101]

And I will find you.

[absta101]

BEF was mega town
IFM scummy.

[absta101]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

Look at you.

[absta101]

That was @ Bacde

[absta101]

Bacde you should've claimed cop, would've been more funny.

I'm not even laughing anymore.

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@AP - Listen DGB more and we'll be friends.

[absta101]

Also you say that his thought process makes sense. I say what thought process and you say EXACTLY. Like it was obvious to me (and I can see from your perspective then too) that absta was lying (although mebbe he isnt), but why does that make him derp-town to you then and not scum? I could see scum absta doing this in some scenarios.

*If you actually are a cop, then WP absta. ALSO, why didnt you target Zdenek on N1?

He was already a strong scum read.

@Bacde - When did you become pro scum lol?

[absta101]

FFS AP, JUST HURRY UP!

[absta101]

Yeah I am... You?

[absta101]

Framer is actually explicitly normal. And hiraki targeted bscde last night

I'm gonna tunnel you in every game from now on.

[absta101]

yes I am town

That's weird.

Anyway, how many win cons you got?

[absta101]

Cuz I got 5

[absta101]

Well, don't lynch until I wake up.

[absta101]

unless it's Bacde ofc

[absta101]

NL is a bad idea, scum will get to talk. That's what's going to happen. Anyway, at least Bacde will confirm himself scum and I'll get my lynch.

VOTE: No lynch

[absta101]

I don't care, as long as he dies. He's already sentenced himself to death.

Either NK me or AP. That would be awesome.

[absta101]

VOTE: Bacde

[absta101]

Btw guys, I'm actually VT. (I'll explain tomorrow.)




Lol

[absta101]

Gg all, was fun.

Thanks to Jake for the game.


Thanks to AP for making me lol with all the fake claims.
I won't be claiming Cop anymore. (I explained why I did it in the dead QT if anyone wants to know).

@Bacde - You probably would've survived if AP hadn't conf me town and I hadn't fake claimed.

[absta101]

@Zoid - lol sorry :/
You made the right play though given the information you had.

[absta101]

My fake claim was bad. Don't do it ever!

Just so you know.