Mini 1454 - GAME OVER

[Nobody Special]

/me holds Amrun

Vote: marcmann2

Don't know you, perfect lynch-fodder.

[Nobody Special]

Pretty sure Amrun is town.

I'mma follow fuzzy, except I think Bubba might be too arrogant to be scum? (If that makes any sense at all.)

unvote

Vote: notscience

[Nobody Special]

@Juan: what do you think of bubba?

@NS: where did that notscience came from?

-G

Ffffffffffffffffffff

Scum team is Bubba and Science.

Pretty sure Amrun is town.

I'mma follow fuzzy, except I think Bubba might be too arrogant to be scum? (If that makes any sense at all.)

unvote

Vote: notscience

Read much?

[Nobody Special]

Okay, this is just one of my (many) pet peeves, but: There is a field entitled 'Gender' just below each player's avatar. Amrun does not have a penis, and the proper pronoun in referring to her is either her or she. Thank you.


I'm still liking my vote where it is. notscience is being emotional, which I read as deeply invested in the game, which is something scum tend to do.

But I swear to god, if bubba flips town, fuzzy gets lynched the next day.

[Nobody Special]

I'm growing suspicious of JKMatthews, given his smoke-blowing and philosophizing. I mean, I'm not switching my vote, but if the notscience wagon falls apart, that's where I'm going.

[Nobody Special]

I resemble that remark!

[Nobody Special]

So, I've caught up -- sorry for my absence, but my son is visiting from LA and I haven't seen him in forever.

I will take the time to make an actual case later tonight (or tomorrow), but for now:

unvote

Vote: JuanJuan

[Nobody Special]

#423 bad NS. Juan is town.

Why?

[Nobody Special]

Oh, that's so persuasive.

[Nobody Special]

marcmann: I think you are seeing faces in the fog. Seems random to me.

As far as scum and directing NKs: In all the times I've played scum, I never relied on town's townreads to influence the nightkill. It's just stupid to do, as scum.

[Nobody Special]

I see it. Do you really want me to tell you, or should we wait for other input?

[Nobody Special]

I am quite ready to end this day, and the recent cases and arguments on HP are quite persuasive. I'm pretty sure he's scum.

Vote: HookerPunch

[Nobody Special]

I'm pretty sure he[HP]'s scum?

You were pretty sure, I was pretty sure, everybody seemed pretty sure, and yet

I'm

the bad guy?

Also, you were definitely voting AJ tomorrow, then he turned out not to be that scummy but you were still keeping your eye on him, and now you're voting me.

Indecisive much?

In other news, HP posted

after

being put at L-1, but didn't claim. I didn't see a claim forthcoming, and didn't see a reason to wait for one.



Also, note this:

HookerPunch: fuzzybutternut, bubbajack8, kthxbye, marcmann2, jon_h61, AJ (6)

L-1

Hammer for town cred

Seems like a perfect way to set someone up for mislynch the next day. Invite them to hammer for towncred, but yank that away the next day. (Not that I hammered for towncred, I just was pretty convinced he was scum.)

[Nobody Special]

Not useful =/= scum.

I am living proof of this.

Also I have never seen NS hammer without claim and that worries me.

I have; you may have to go back a bit. Or check my alt, SV.

[Nobody Special]

So, I've been very limited in computer-time lately, and the modding crisis I had today didn't help that. In about a week my computer troubles should be over and then I'll be more of a presence here.

That being said, I'm kinda leaning toward either AJ or Juan. I need to spend some quality time re-reading ISOs and stuff, which may not happen till Monday.


(I'm half-tempted to lynch Bubba just to get him to shut up already, but that would be unproductive and mean.)

[Nobody Special]

(I'm half-tempted to lynch Bubba just to get him to shut up already, but that would be unproductive and mean.)

What part of anything That I've posted is bad?

Did you read what I had to say against amrun? I said it may be long, but it was VERY useful.

It's not your content, it's your volume. Seriously, step away from the keyboard for a bit.


/inb4 OMG STIFLING DISCUSSION IS SOOO SCUMMY

[Nobody Special]

I was trying to be gentle.

[Nobody Special]

I figure, deal with the volume first, the rest later.

[Nobody Special]

No. What makes you say that? I really don't care what he thinks, I just wish he'd express a little less of it.

[Nobody Special]

The more we talk, the more chances scum have to slip .-.

Townpoint to you.


Fuzzy. Help me be lazy. What are your current reads on notscience and bubba?

[Nobody Special]

I will laugh at you when he flips town.

I note the use of "when" rather than "if."

Vote: bubba

[Nobody Special]

But.... but.


BUT.


ARGHHH.


Fine.

unvote

Vote: AJ

[Nobody Special]

Can we seriously consider him tomorrow if he's still here?

(I know if *I* were scum I'd NK him just because he WON'T SHUT UP.)

[Nobody Special]

Almost only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades.

[Nobody Special]

again, if it was already in the thread

but up enough that he didn't see it,

or he wasn't on the page and it was posted BEFORE the comment, he would't have seen it.

Also, marc, I was on both votes.

My L-1 vote was

two posts

above his "accidental" hammer. (Granted, I didn't mention it was L-1, but The Careful Townie always checks that prior to voting.)

I will be voting KTB once I see an updated VC.

[Nobody Special]

On second thought, I don't really want to put him at L-1 just yet.

[Nobody Special]

You know, you just aren't nearly as good as you think you are.

[Nobody Special]

Everything thing you see is a scumtell.

[Nobody Special]

I also no grammar.

[Nobody Special]

[Nobody Special]

To be fair, FMPOV, everyone (except me)

could be

scum. Saying that any one person 'could be' scum is totally useless.

While we're on that topic, who are your scumreads?


P-Edit: This is to bubba.

[Nobody Special]

Spoiler: Amrun Analysis

Looks to me like scum trying to sheep his way to victory while buddying up. Anyone else seeing it in post 381?

Why do you keep asking everyone else if they agree with you?

As far as I can tell, this is your first ever mention of notscience. This is your iso 25.

I also did not vote for notscience for very important reasons (the main one being that many of what registers as scum on a basic level could be noob playstyle). I have said as much THREE times or more now. I have not even close to accepted that slot as scum, and I don't understand how anyone reading could think the things you have just posted.

The above is your iso 28. Granted, I'm just skimming at this point, but you seem to be mentioning that you've mentioned notscience a lot more than actual occurrence.

WHAT

I don't think Jon OR Juan is scum. (Or notscience, necessarily -- though I have more complex thoughts on this that I have shared.)

Are you fucking HIGH

I was referring to JKMatthews.

Here's your iso 29. I'm going to be looking for your 'complex thoughts' on notscience.


In 448 you ask notscience a question. Not complex thoughts.


In 675 you say that notscience is 'extremely underwhelming' -- not very complex.


In 680 you say he makes sense about a NL. Still not complex.


Again you mention him in 685, 747, 749, 758, 801, 807, and 838; finally, in 937, you say that notscience is "firm town" but still no Complex Thoughts.

SO, my conclusions on this are that either 1) you and notscience are TvT (not likely, given his scumminess); 2) you're scum, he's town (again, not likely); 3) he's scum and you're town (perhaps); or 4) you're both scum and you're trying to defend him (very plausible).

Now, up until about now, I've had you as a pretty solid townread. Your interactions with notscience, though, are making me look a little deeper. I would prefer to lynch him and work from there, because he's oozing scumminess much more than you are.

Vote: notscience

[Nobody Special]

I need to go back and check some things.

[Nobody Special]

Last couple of days have been pretty crazy IRL. Catching up:

If I claim, my role becomes less useful. That's why I would rather not claim if I don't need to.

A claimed Commuter is less useful to whom, exactly? You? The only benefit of being a Commuter, that I can see (to town), is that your somewhat confirmed, and can use your towniness for our benefit. Might I just remind you that you're not exactly the pristine example of towniness?


I'm not thrilled with GiF's lies. I tend to not trust players who lie and then "fix" it later. However, GiF is way townier than jon, who still has not answered about his supposed visit to GiF.


KthxBye is, I suppose, acting townie-ish. I don't think he's totally cleared, but he's certainly not acting scummy.

I'm okay with massclaim, but I don't think it's totally necessary today. Tomorrow, for sure (if there's a tomorrow).


I'm good with a marcmann lynch.

Vote: marcmann

[Nobody Special]

I'm a harmless Vanilla Townie.

I've got some errands to run, and going out to dinner tonight, so I won't really be able to post anything until late, late tonight.

So, try not to lynch me before that? That'd be cool.

[Nobody Special]

Oh. My. God.

I hate everyone in the world.

/me holds Amrun

[Nobody Special]

SKs don't always investigate innocent. In my experience, they either have investigation-immunity or bulletproof-immunity. Rarely, they have both (but I personally think that's OP). Bulletproof is more common than investigation-immunity, but investigation-immunity was better for the SK in this setup because of the RoleCop and Cop combo (which worked out, since AJ got investigated Night 1).

And sometimes, the player gets to choose pre-game!

[Nobody Special]

Now you're just making shit up.

[Nobody Special]

By the way, you're HookerPunch, yes?