Mini 1462: Serra's Fun House (Game over)

DoctorPepper · Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:02 am

/confirm

DoctorPepper · Post Post #30 (isolation #1) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:20 pm

I didnt get it :\

ETL, You no like Pepsi?

VOTE: Metal Sonic {/vote}

Because Meatal Mario is better

DoctorPepper · Post Post #31 (isolation #2) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:29 pm

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Messed up vote tags

DoctorPepper · Post Post #37 (isolation #3) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:29 pm

I didnt get the reference, they actually dont sell Dr Pepper here, I just get lucky with the imported food stores.

Tunnel the person then if he doesn't get lynched, I'd crumb it. How is this a relevant RQS thoguh?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #82 (isolation #4) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:10 am

I misread the question, I literally read it as "if you were cop and caught scum" Thats why I thought it wasn't relevant

Well if I was scum and I was caught, I'd probably self hammer and crumb something for WIFOM. Im confused as to why a mis-answer bothers you.

I dont get truly's reasons for unvoting, thats a pretty flimsy reason to unvote someone in RVS. Seems more like a newb tell IMO

Rach asking for a case from Jake in RVS is scummy. This isnt a town reaction.

VOTE: RachMarie
Serious vote

DoctorPepper · Post Post #84 (isolation #5) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:30 am

Its RVS, half the reasons are jokes and the other half is composed of reaction tests, serious votes, etc. The asking for a reason during RVS makes me feel like she's concerned for some reason.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #87 (isolation #6) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:55 am

Well this is kinda what Road to Rome is for. But anyway, why only Rach when StubbsVKM also voted, being the first serious vote of the game, if your reason for Rach is the truly vote? Or is it because Stubbs was the first vote?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #94 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:45 am

Jake, that was the point.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #98 (isolation #8) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:27 am

So who's alt is Nachopappa?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #107 (isolation #9) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:39 am

Jake, it cant be Nachomamma. I think Nachopappa and Nachomamma played together somewhere

DoctorPepper · Post Post #111 (isolation #10) » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:42 am

Are you seriously leaving when a hydra comes? I was looking forward to playing with you again after that newbie game :/

Notscience isnt here

DoctorPepper · Post Post #181 (isolation #11) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:30 am

UNVOTE: RachMarie
VOTE: truly

That L-1 vote was opportunistic as fuck, especially for a newb. "Sorry you are the most scum here, but if you were town I'd feel bad" is a terrible reason to put someone at L-1.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #182 (isolation #12) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:02 am

Actually I kinda agree with Rach on ETL as well. ETL asks everyone why they vote Rach, when everyone explains she's like "meh, thats how I see it too." then votes Rach. Its as if she needed approval first from everyone voting Rach so she doesnt look like she's jumping the bandwagon.

Later Metal Sonic asks why Rach is at L-1, ETL responds with "you have not been reading or your scum protecting Rach". Post 162 reads to me like "Yes I've suspected you eartlier but I havent voted until I've heard from everyone, i.e. if they would vote you as well"

I agree, Rach's jump on truly at newb tells was kind of an easy vote, but it was like the second vote, like a pressure vote. Just like how everyone voted her for that. I still wonder how NOBODY batted one eye as to why truly was so quick to put someone at L-1 like that without adequate explanation, on our SECOND day RL. Now that seemed opportunistic.

I disagree with TSO's 175. People aren't necessarily town for reaction tests, simply because it gets attention, in fact, this gives incentives for scum to reaction test more because people read it as town for some reason. WHy does this always happen in my games?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #190 (isolation #13) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:39 am

Jake, that vote was made during RVS with no explanations, I assumed it was RVS. It wasnt a town reaction from me cause it was all "Why me?"

But anyway, truly that was a bad reason. So a person doesnt believe in you, therefore they must be scum right? Because obviously town knows who town is right? Oh wait, no we dont because if we did, then this game would be moot now.

And you put her at 1 vote to lynch so yes there was a chance she could have been lynched with your vote. Aside from "she doesnt trust you" why else is she the "most scum" to you?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #213 (isolation #14) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:53 am

In post 200, EspeciallyTheLies wrote: Additionally, DP had made some comments that seemed more town to me, so I needed time to reread and consider if I really wanted to vote for Rach or if I wanted to probe somewhere else.

What ever happened to me being a possible second suspect and being null?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #222 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:39 pm

If anyone can recap what happened pre crash, that would be great

DoctorPepper · Post Post #225 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:47 pm

Does anyone have it in their cache?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #245 (isolation #17) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:36 am

I kinda understand what Mr. Ree is doing and I think ETL looks nervous. Looks like she failed the reaction test.

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

DoctorPepper · Post Post #250 (isolation #18) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:54 am

Hey this actually goes with your scum meta. You get all pissy and mad when your scum all the time. I've seen it twice. And you have like 3 votes.

When I saw the post by Mr. Ree, I literally thought "This is a normal, probably not true, but maybe someone gets all scared because they've been 'caught'"

This AtE as well as the 'outrage' is pretty consistent with you being scum.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #253 (isolation #19) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:02 am

We never said you havent been trying. We literally said you look nervous, and youre breaking down right now. Uhm, you lose your shit over a legitimate accusation and you saying "fuck town roles" is like you saying "hey, i love scum and I hate town. This pretty much means im soooo obvtown because Im sooooo damn angry and shit".
Dont self meta your way out of this.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #259 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:22 am

Granted I havent seen an ETL town game but in her two scum games that I've seen, she has literally expressed her being pissed off somehow. Like in that game where you two were partners, Replication of Science. Her comment about being legitimately pissed off. It reminded me in my first game onsite, with her, Rach and serra =20880#p4786199]Mafia on the Shore where one player commented that she made unnecessary mean pissy comments, unlike her first game as town. So there, thats why I say its kinda like her meta if she acts all pissed off.

Maybe you dont lose your shit if youre scum, maybe youre trying to make it look like your twon by losing your shit and saying you dont do this as scum. I dont know. I do know that *if* you were town and you only like playing scum games, youre pretty much going to get lynched everytime you dont act all angry.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #286 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:28 am

Hey Bert, since youre here, comment on what happened recently.

Im not wiling to give ETL a free pass because of this honestly. Its seriously easy for her to rage like that to avoid suspicion.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #344 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:58 am

NachoPappa is taking a huge soft stance on everyone, like he's afraid of calling people scum, because he's afraid to ruffle any feathers or something. Then he pushes someone for who was recently on V/LA, because the vote needed to go somewhere inconspicuous right?
Im getting a scum vibe from Nacho.
Also your 325 was bad, a bad reason for a vote. Its like "are you in RVS?"
Not to mention your flip flopping on post 292 and 295
VOTE: NachoPappa
Lets see where this goes.

Sidnote: i went to sleep and missed two pages. This is why I dont play minis very often. I'll read page 14 after class.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #345 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:07 pm

Or screw. I'll reread now.

Can we get a prod on Metal Sonic and broomhead

Why claim now shos? Whats the purpose of this?
Ree, what was the purpose of the gambit (if we havent pointed it out already)

Stubbs, what do you think of shos doublevoter claim? Also if you didnt like her vote on truly, why did you think the Rach wagon is crappy, even if the main reason for said wagon looks town to you?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #347 (isolation #24) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:28 pm

Lol, Equinox copycat

DoctorPepper · Post Post #368 (isolation #25) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:56 pm

Hey Nacho, if you could like get your posts to be in one coherent stance. That would be great. Rereading pages is such a bitch.
Im saying your stances are soft, its like youre afraid of labeling people as town or scum.

Stubbs, the person who started the wagon was Jake, who is town to you. How can you not like the wagon then, if the proprietor was town?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #373 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:21 am

Well, I'll wait til the next V to asses if your claim is legit

DoctorPepper · Post Post #433 (isolation #27) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:21 am

Prod dodge, Econ quiz tomorrow and I promised myself to not go to MS tonight.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #462 (isolation #28) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:28 am

If Nacho was lying, it would be pretty stupid though. If nacho wasn't a neighbor of MS, then him saying so is pretty suicidal. Does it confirm any of them as town? Not really. Even if we see one flip, its not an assurance of the other's alignment. Speaking of which, who neighborized who? Or were you too neighbors in the first place?

Yates claiming PGO? Dont PGOs claim at the start? But, well fakeclaiming PGO is something that I would think people do as they are about to be lynched. Why is everyone claiming? Someone is bound to be lying/making a bad gambit, as ETL said, this is a mini normal. His 434 intentionally creates huge WIFOM right there. Not sure what I think about it. It could be so he wont be visited by anyone.

Metal Sonic seriously needs to post actual posts. Its annoying to see him dodge prods without making actual analysis.

Shos did his whole "unvote all" thing after he claimed double voter. Before that, he had only one vote. Shos, I want to test your claim. Vote someone. And dont unvote until the next VC.

I honestly have no idea what the hell Nacho has been talking about with Yates, its like he's making it seem like he is suspicious of him, without really committing to it, by saying stuff like "If we treat him as obv town, he can go around trolling knowing he is obv town" 350

DoctorPepper · Post Post #466 (isolation #29) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:36 am

Actually it is helpful. I want to find out if he's lying or not. And i want to find out who neighborized who because it kinda makes him town (I have never seen mafia neighborizers)

Now how is it role fishing if they already claimed?

Als, I want to see your claim. So vote. Vote me if you want to. I want to see if your doublevoter claim is real.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #468 (isolation #30) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:16 am

Night 0 maybe? Im just wondering how they became neighbors. Was it mod confirmed or did someone neighborize someone.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #471 (isolation #31) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:26 am

So pretty much theres no guarantee as to them being of the same alignment? You can have a townie and a scum as neighbors?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #477 (isolation #32) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:34 am

So i ask you to vote for me to check if younreally are a double voter, then you unvote your original vote. What kind of shit is this?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #480 (isolation #33) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:46 am

How exactly? You claimed. And there are too many claims for this to constitute being a normal. So why is this info only beneficial to scum if your ability will be found out sooner or later anyway (unless youre lying your ass off)?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #505 (isolation #34) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:42 am

shos, what will I gain from knowing if they are neighbors? To see if NachoPappa was lying. Obviously.

Also, when you claimed, you pretty much let yourself open to these kinds of situations, where the claim is to be tested. How is this helpful to town? Just about as helpful as you claiming in the first place.

497 So why was his goal to deceive? Im pretty sure Ree's gambit was obvious in itself and I think it really was a good reaction test

DoctorPepper · Post Post #509 (isolation #35) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:53 am

I dont know, everyone was "claiming" so Im guessing he wanted to claim as well so as not to be asked later on?

I do agree that lying about him being neighbors will do no good and will probably get him a shit ton of suspicion, so I do want to know if he really is lying, even if he really doesnt have a reason to do so.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #523 (isolation #36) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:36 am

Precisely, we still need to find out if someone is lying their ass off and you trying to discount that makes it sound like you're defending one of them.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #525 (isolation #37) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:02 am

I think it can confirm stuff if the other guy confirms if Nacho is telling the truth or not. Thats how we can use it to see if someone as scum or town.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #528 (isolation #38) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:38 am

Did you not read Yates's explanation?

We just want to know if MS confirms this or not. And if he says Nacho is lying or not, we could get info by lynching one of them.

Anyway, Rach isnt posting here but has been on all her other games. Im not fully convinced of Rach scum though. Currently, she has the biggest wagon. But who would be your number 2 lynch if not Rach?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #531 (isolation #39) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:44 am

I'd like to see the case because I really think its sound.

I dont think Nacho is town, which is why I want to see the claim.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #532 (isolation #40) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:01 am

Nacho is online and has not been posting here.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #541 (isolation #41) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:32 am

In post 537, Nachopappa wrote:People told me to stop being so annoying Dr P so I'm taking my focus off here so things don't stay so heated. Mac, I'm glad not everyone is taking his side.

This sounds like "Im staying under the radar, not because people found my multiple posting annoying"

Am I the only one who thinks Yates' theory makes sense??

DoctorPepper · Post Post #544 (isolation #42) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:47 am

If MS says NachoPappa is lying, we lynch Nacho

If he flips town neighbor, then MS is scum.
If he flips scum, then we try to see if MS bussed.

Thats how I saw it

DoctorPepper · Post Post #549 (isolation #43) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:00 am

Because we arent sure of this fact? Never discount the possibility.

Well we havent had people discuss anything else now, have we? Also because people massclaimed for some reason, so there is a value in testing the validity of said claims

I do have one thing about Rach that bugged me recently, her targetting of Yates' gambit by calling it false when it was already established posts ago that it was a claim that was madeto look that way

DoctorPepper · Post Post #550 (isolation #44) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:04 am

Well if he confirms this, then it still gives us info.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #552 (isolation #45) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:39 am

TSO has been absent. Not that he actually produces real content in this game.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #623 (isolation #46) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:28 am

If one of the neighbor claims is scum, its in the MS/Nacho neighborhood. Did those posts from MS count as actual content? And NachoPappa, a usual suspect in terms of posting nonsensical crap. ETL could be town And Yates is town. I have no idea why everyone voted for him for wanting to know if they were neighbors or not, seeing as he too was in a neighborhood. Mac is right though, why are there too many freakin claims? Someone is lying here, but a flip from anyone except the mason claims wont solve anything

ETL, if you think Rach is scum, by extension shos is scum too? What evidence do you have to support this that isnt related to the mason claim?

Im more confident in MS or Nacho more than anything at this point and I think its possible for them to both be scum and claim neighbors.

Lets wait for shos to answer. BTW, shos is a doublevoting mason? yeah only one of those claims has to be true.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #627 (isolation #47) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:37 am

I meant shos' slot. I know you have a case on Rach.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #632 (isolation #48) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:45 am

Dat fail attempt to discredit. I said she could be town, not she is certainly town. I dont think i've commented about her being scum ever since her whole freak out and thats really the only thing I had against her. SO apparently, people cant change their minds right?

I barely tunnel, I tunnel when I find someone I think is scum and I think your neighborhood either contains scum or isnt really a neighborhood but rather a group of scum. (Hint: Why the fuck do we have 4 neighbors and 2 masons? Because we dont and someone is lying their ass off). Its funny how you say Im not bringing anything new, yet you havent pointed out who you think is lying even when you say its obvious. Now whos not contributing anything?

Also why the hell would Yates want to lynch ETL if they are neighbors? L2R. Your case against Yates was not that he was scum, it was that you didnt like him and you didnt think he was a God. Thats a case??

DoctorPepper · Post Post #633 (isolation #49) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:46 am

The classic "Please leave me alone". I do not think he is scum and neither do you, you just think he's being arrogant or something. Thats a flimsy reason to push this

DoctorPepper · Post Post #638 (isolation #50) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:49 am

I thought you just said there could be one scum among the neighbors?

Notcho, did you NOT see them claim neighbor??

DoctorPepper · Post Post #643 (isolation #51) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:55 am

Why is it possible for half the player list to be in those roles in a mini normal?? Its not.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #645 (isolation #52) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:59 am

Exactly, I agree with ETL on why I dont think this is possible for half the players to be neighbors and masons

DoctorPepper · Post Post #658 (isolation #53) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:47 am

well think of it this way, Rach cant fake claim mason with anyone else (if she was fake claiming) so I get where ETL is coming from.

Still i think its Notcho and MS

DoctorPepper · Post Post #667 (isolation #54) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:07 am

Notcho earlier - "I claim neighbor with MS"
Notcho now - "I wish non of this claiming happened"

DoctorPepper · Post Post #672 (isolation #55) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:10 am

the point is, if you didnt want people claiming, then you shouldnt have done it in the first place. *flies away*

DoctorPepper · Post Post #678 (isolation #56) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:17 am

dont try to AtE yourself out of this. How convenient of you to vote your biggest attacker after someone already voted for me. Because being inconsiderate, heartless and tunneling automatically means im scum.
Yep, confident of where my vote is right now.

The point is, these other people are not complaining about people claiming, you claimed then later you'd say something stupid like "I wish people stopped claiming"

DoctorPepper · Post Post #681 (isolation #57) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:20 am

So thats pretty much Yates, shos and Mr Ree?

Mac, who do you think is scum?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #684 (isolation #58) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:23 am

Hey, when you start to be serious and present actual logical posts, let me know. Im not reading through shit like "I blame him for the flying of the moon" or "Am I that attractive to you?" because it looks like its there just to make your post look longer and your trolling is helping no one. Except maybe MS, your buddy.

So your case on Yates is basically because you think he is arrogant, not because you think he is scum
Your case on me is, I've been calling you out.
Yesp, thats it

DoctorPepper · Post Post #693 (isolation #59) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:49 am

Whats your point here Nacho? I have said explicitly that its convenient of you to have voted for me when someone else did too.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #726 (isolation #60) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:59 am

Hey, just because youre neighbors, doesnt mean youre both the same alignment for that matter, we arent even sure oure neighbors and its even possible for you guys to actually be scum claiming to be neighbors.

The title is Serra's Fun House, but I think its still impossible for us to have all these neighbor mason claims.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #727 (isolation #61) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:08 am

Broomhead: "Im having trouble voting for a claimed mason" then votes for said mason. This seems like a really shitty way to jump on a bandwagon
Also the way he wants TSO to die without explaining why.

And voting truly earlier, and now votes Rach, even if the main reason people thought Rach was scum was because of voting truly

VOTE: broomhead

DoctorPepper · Post Post #729 (isolation #62) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:39 am

Because I think Nacho is scummy and you havent provided anything in this game. Thats why

DoctorPepper · Post Post #732 (isolation #63) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:51 am

I am focusing on you two as players. I've had my eye on Nacho before I considered you two as neighbors. And what exactly have you done? Prod dodge?

Dat fail attempt to discredit

DoctorPepper · Post Post #735 (isolation #64) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:01 am

Look here, you respond to my "what have you done" with a "what has yates done"
I think he actually helps scum hunting, which is something you have yet to do. The fact is, it is easy for you to claim neighbors instead of mason. With a mason claim, and one of you flips scum, then boh ofyou would be caught. If you claim neighbor, and one of you flips scum, then you cold still bank on the fact that neighbors arent assured of alignment.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #739 (isolation #65) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:07 am

Does being neighbors automatically make you two town? Cause youre making it sound like this excuses all previous scummy behavior

Im flat out saying I dont think he is scum. Why are you hard defending Nacho? Because youre neighbors? Riiiight

DoctorPepper · Post Post #740 (isolation #66) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:08 am

Hypocritical chainsaw claim

DoctorPepper · Post Post #758 (isolation #67) » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:04 am

Whatever happened to your gut scum read of me?

NachoPappa "Youre going to be OK" "Dont let him get to you" - what exactly is the necessity of these posts?
And you accuse me of chainsawing

DoctorPepper · Post Post #791 (isolation #68) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:41 am

In post 785, Metal Sonic wrote:Yates is probably town

so the scum must be ETL

yates is still a weirdo though

What gave you this? Are you now flip flopping your reads because he called you scum??

Here's a question. There is no indication of your neighbor being town, yet you treat him as such. Why?

I would really like a Metal Sonic lynch though, even if they are claimed

VOTE: Metal Sonic

DoctorPepper · Post Post #796 (isolation #69) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:16 am

I'm not giving you pressure? Looks like you're folding under it. Just wow dude.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #799 (isolation #70) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:23 am

Look, no relevance to anything in this game ^

DoctorPepper · Post Post #816 (isolation #71) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:40 am

You had no read on broom before, and all of a sudden an intent to hammer. Thats opportunistic as hell fuzzy.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #922 (isolation #72) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:23 am

Very happy with my Metal Sonic vote and I think he's the right lynch. Look at his recent post.
1) why is no lynch better than a mislynch? This is NOT EpicMafia
2)"Therefore I am very likely to be town" his use of "very likely" bothers me. But aside from that, he's saying he's very likely to be town, because "fuck off". No real justification here

ETL this is strange. First you doubt the multiple neighbor claims and mason claim. But now you think one mason is town and the other is scum. Town neighbors really dont have incentives to claim mason, by doing so they discount the possibility of the other person being scum and they also clear/vindicate the other person with a flip. Your theory is bad.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #926 (isolation #73) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:28 am

^ Im being pressured and I might scum slip. Go pressure someone else,

topped with AtE, Ad hominem and discrediting legit scum tells.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #931 (isolation #74) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:41 am

In post 927, EspeciallyTheLies wrote: you could stop the bullshit ad hom

In post 927, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
I'm
VI????? Fuck you.
DP being moronic

Fuck.

And that is irony.

Im saying you cant call one mason claim town and the other scum and I think I've explained why its highly unlikely for them to both claim masons.

Im so happy Im irritating scum. Flail some more, it makes my job easier.
I've made a case and I never used "lurking" as the main point of the case. L2R

DoctorPepper · Post Post #934 (isolation #75) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:00 am

In post 740, DoctorPepper wrote:Hypocritical chainsaw claim

In post 791, DoctorPepper wrote:
In post 785, Metal Sonic wrote:Yates is probably town

so the scum must be ETL

yates is still a weirdo though
What gave you this? Are you now flip flopping your reads because he called you scum??

Here's a question. There is no indication of your neighbor being town, yet you treat him as such. Why?

I would really like a Metal Sonic lynch though, even if they are claimed

VOTE: Metal Sonic

In post 739, DoctorPepper wrote:Does being neighbors automatically make you two town? Cause youre making it sound like this excuses all previous scummy behavior

Im flat out saying I dont think he is scum. Why are you hard defending Nacho? Because youre neighbors? Riiiight

In post 735, DoctorPepper wrote:Look here, you respond to my "what have you done" with a "what has yates done"
I think he actually helps scum hunting, which is something you have yet to do. The fact is, it is easy for you to claim neighbors instead of mason. With a mason claim, and one of you flips scum, then boh ofyou would be caught. If you claim neighbor, and one of you flips scum, then you cold still bank on the fact that neighbors arent assured of alignment.

In post 922, DoctorPepper wrote:Very happy with my Metal Sonic vote and I think he's the right lynch. Look at his recent post.
1) why is no lynch better than a mislynch? This is NOT EpicMafia
2)"Therefore I am very likely to be town" his use of "very likely" bothers me. But aside from that, he's saying he's very likely to be town, because "fuck off". No real justification here

ETL this is strange. First you doubt the multiple neighbor claims and mason claim. But now you think one mason is town and the other is scum. Town neighbors really dont have incentives to claim mason, by doing so they discount the possibility of the other person being scum and they also clear/vindicate the other person with a flip. Your theory is bad.

Thanks for the misrep scum.

Ad hominem FTW. More useless bullshit FTW. Admitting uselessness to town FTW.
Lynch Metal Sonic, this is getting really stupid

DoctorPepper · Post Post #940 (isolation #76) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:19 am

Your ad hominem is really pissing me off. But thats what I get for catching scum.

These are cases. If you cant appreciate them, that is not my fucking problem.

And I was spoken to. And I'll speak whenever the hell I want to.

Both of you are so useless.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #944 (isolation #77) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:30 am

In post 941, Nachopappa wrote:Stop hatin'

Sorry I dont appreciate cases that are made by SCUMMY SCUM SCUM SCUMBAGS

Yeah, that's right, I said it. There. The exit is that way

You think Im scum? Wheres the vote?

If you are really that confident, then VOTE ME.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #950 (isolation #78) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:45 am

In post 949, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:We're not lynching DP today, mkay? Just cuz he's bad at scum hunting doesnt mean he's scum. Annoying =/= scum. Shit, if thats how we voted, I'd haved pushed for a Nacho lynch back on like page 8. (Also, wtf... a 40-page day 1?)

This is said by the person who literally wants to lynch a claimed mason on day 1.

Hey Nacho if you really think I am scum then fucking vote me.

MS, stop being an annoying little bitch. You want to resort to ad hominem then so be it.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #952 (isolation #79) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:53 am

Your testimonials are pretty much you, your supposed neighbor, and ETL who just disagrees with me on Rach/shos.
Only one testimonial is from someone worth listening to and thats ETL.

All the shit you've been saying is "dr p, you suck"
Now tell me how the fuck is that helpful

You are not being helpful
Youre being an annoying little **** who is really pissing me off.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #966 (isolation #80) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:16 am

@ETL, if they were neighbors, its pretty dumb for them to both claim mason.
Which is why its weird you read one mason as scum and the other as town.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #968 (isolation #81) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:18 am

^ you arent helping

DoctorPepper · Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:54 am

In post 989, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 966, DoctorPepper wrote:@ETL, if they were neighbors, its pretty dumb for them to both claim mason.
Which is why its weird you read one mason as scum and the other as town.
This is the same shit you've done to me before. It's like you dont understand plain English and I really don't know how else make it make sense to you.

I. DON'T. BELIEVE. THE CLAIM.
therefuckingfore
I don't think they are masons.
therefuckingfore
I dont think they are the same alignment. It may be dumb to claim masons but uhhhh.... tell me what game you've played where the majority of the playerlist wasnt fucking braindead and didnt do dumb shit?

If shos really bought rach's bucket of crap then why wouldnt he back her up?

Hey ETL, maybe its possible that they are both masons. Maybe its also possible for them to be scum claiming as masons. You know whats stupid? If they are just neighbors (adding to the already numerous neighbor claims) and they decide to claim masons for fuck's sake.

I understand your shit. I just think its stupid. Because why would 2 neighbors pretend to claim mason? Because scum Rach convinced town shos to do so? Because shos is sure that Rach is town right? Because by claiming mason you clear yourself as town. SO if he was a neighbor and not a mason, he'd be willing to clear his unconfirmed partner as town right? Because that makes sooo much fucking sense sense.

DoctorPepper · Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:02 pm

In post 1014, Nachopappa wrote:Yates/Stubbs/Mr Ree

SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I thought you said I was scum.

Anyway neighbors are unconfirmed, why are you defending him this much when there is no certainty in the neighbor alignment? This is getting fucking ridiculous.

Ad hominem is insulting the attacker and discrediting them instead of using legit cases

DoctorPepper · Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:17 pm

I'm annoying says the person who literally treats the thread like the trashcan after getting drunk.

Its like your calling Yates scum for attacking your neighbor claim. And its not as if he didnt have reason not to wonder because they claimed they were neighbors too.

The 1 of four neighbors being scum thing is on the wiki, its also kinda common. So yeah, i dont believe your whole reason for why yates is scum for suggesting that

DoctorPepper · Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:40 pm

In post 1055, StubbsKVM wrote:I agree with broom. No more claims.

1. there have already been too much claims, we need to protect the PRs
2. there's not enough time left to verify the claim and get someone else lynched.
3. no lynch is not an option.

Am I the only one who feels this way??

Agree with this. Only scum want an NL on Day 1.

DoctorPepper · Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:43 pm

In post 920, Metal Sonic wrote:No lynch > mislynch

See example.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1069 (isolation #87) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:20 am

Both MS and Nacho have been doing shit this game.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1073 (isolation #88) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:26 am

And you've been productive?

You arent even calling me scum yet Im the focus of your attack. Which is total shit

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1086 (isolation #89) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:05 am

In post 1085, Nachopappa wrote:Doesn't anyone wanna hear another week of Nacho's superb reasoning?

FUCK NO

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1087 (isolation #90) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:06 am

Nacho if you really think Mac is scum, why unvote?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1095 (isolation #91) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:36 am

Bus. Called it.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1105 (isolation #92) » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:57 am

Rach I think I've said that before.

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1134 (isolation #93) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:33 pm

In post 1123, Mr_Ree wrote:
In post 1109, Mac wrote:Im now sure Ms is scum guys its cool
Suspicious post is suspicious

Vote: Mac

MS flipped town, why is it suspicious?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1135 (isolation #94) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:35 pm

ETL is still pushing the mason lynch??

However they didnt die, but it could just be scum WIFOM

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1137 (isolation #95) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:48 pm

I get that there was no vote, but still. It would make sense if MS flipped scum, then it could be bussing. Would scum get anything from saying "Im sure he'll flip scum" if they knew that person will flip town?

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1146 (isolation #96) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:57 pm

@Ree: Im not saying I think Mac is town, I just think its not that suspicious. There is very little incentive for them to say that

@Yates: Whatever happened to your theory that one of the neighbors is scum?

@Rach: 1, 2, 3

DoctorPepper · Post Post #1155 (isolation #97) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:28 pm

@Ree: I really dont see scum motivation in saying "I know he'll flip scum" if he knew he'd flip town

Of the neighbor claims, i had my eyes on nacho, but that was contingent of MS flipping scum. So im not sure which one is it now.

DoctorPepper · Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:11 pm

In post 1159, Mr_Ree wrote:
In post 1155, DoctorPepper wrote:@Ree: I really dont see scum motivation in saying "I know he'll flip scum" if he knew he'd flip town

Of the neighbor claims, i had my eyes on nacho, but that was contingent of MS flipping scum. So im not sure which one is it now.
Don't feel bad, but I'm going to point out several holes in this post.

1. I am looking at the REASONS why he said it, not just the fact he said it.
2. If there is 1 scum in four neighbours and MS flipped scum, what would that make Nacho?
3. Nacho put more thought into his post than you did. I'm dissapointed and based on Yates' suspicion, probably right.

1. I dont think there are scum reasons for him to say it
2. That would mean they fake claimed in my opinion
3. I have no idea what you mean by this.

DoctorPepper · Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:16 pm

In post 1174, shos wrote:I wonder if i want to vote etl. Continie please help me decide

I know I've said ETL could fake her rage as scum because people know her town meta, but I'm now convinced this shit is too real to be faked. So I dont think she is scum.

BTW, Im getting pretty sick of Nul voting without explaining shit

DoctorPepper · Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:20 pm

Well thats just great *sarcasm* I pretty much just joined the game when I saw ETL was in it (but also Rach and serra but mostly ETL)
I cant comment on that though, I do call people VI from time to time.

Infinity - why is Yates conf town? For all we know he could have just been jailkept. That doesnt confirm him as town.

I have no idea what Ree hopes to accomplish with the preemptive hammer thing. Why not just vote and back it up? That seemed opportunistic

I liked the Infinity Gambit though, it would have worked better if you voted him.

DoctorPepper · Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:12 pm

Why the hell did you just reveal the cop?

DoctorPepper · Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:45 am

In post 1239, RachMarie wrote:I think he was trying to explain that a cop cant investigate themselves any more than a doc can protect themselves, not that he was saying he was a cop, at least that was my reading on that.

Exactly what makes this different from claiming cop?

DoctorPepper · Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:47 am

4 town neighbors? Hmmm
MS was derp town
Nacho was scum to me until MS flipped. Now he's null.
Infinity is probably town due to ETL
And why would scum-Yates mention that 1 in 4 neighbors are scum?? To wifom? idk, but it doesnt add up.

On Nacho though, why is this automatically newb innocence? Now that can easily be faked.

DoctorPepper · Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:33 am

Yes I actually thought they fake claimed neighbors as scum

DoctorPepper · Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:21 am

I dont know how Im backpedalling, I just didnt think it was that suspicious.

DoctorPepper · Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:28 pm

In post 1231, Infinity 324 wrote:Yea, I know how it feels to be under pressure

But you've been exposed to pressure this game, and you've dealt with it in a much townier way.

Now that I think about it, all that ramping craziness from nachopappa makes a lot more sense from town whose head is slowly exploding.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: broomhead

Yates, what do you think about all 4 neighbors being town?

In post 1223, Infinity 324 wrote:My first yates game yay!

Reads

Mr_Ree - town (why not)
Yates - conf town
Nachopappa - conf scum (The other 3 neighbors are town)
RachMarie - town (she is much scummier as scum + the mason claim)
shos - town (based on RM)

broomhead - scum (yay scum claims [super fake and backpedaling])

Nul - null (Most of his play has been town, and I don't like when we're lynching people for logic fails [when people use that sort of logic it usually means the person in question is town in my experience], but does this look like a scumslip to anyone?)
DoctorPepper - null
fuzzybutternut - null-leaning-scum
Mac - town (why not)

PEdit: Did I miss something? What cop claim? I'm town neighbor obv.

In post 1278, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1277, RachMarie wrote:umm ya all do know there is a likelihood of 3 scumz right? It is a Mini Normal, and usually they have 3 or 2 plus a SK, but we have not had 2 kills and its unlikely that both a SK and the scum would hit the same target.

So I am going with that there is 3 scumz. Occam's Razor and all that...
Who said there weren't?

inifinity
why you so sure that Broom is town?

In post 1242, broomhead wrote:
In post 1235, DoctorPepper wrote:Why the hell did you just reveal the cop?
What, did he repost something that was invisible to scum? We all saw it, you'd have to be skimming to say something that stupid. Also, Yates seems to just be claiming whatever he wants, anytime he wants it.

In post 1176, Mac wrote:Yates was probably roleblocked?
Yeah or the other jk option, or, i don't know if this swings, but what if he was out doing something in the night, killing, investigating, role blocking another person, or something else, could that be a reason why he would be unable to communicate? It really seems like it was game blocked, not Yates blocked. He does not seem like the kind of person to pass up on secret talk.

So I was recording a bit on the Yates/ETL thing, but it became a little pointless since ETL put up a massive hissy fit and quit. That seems extra childish, and I give props to whoever (yates?) posted the baby face. That being said I kind of agree with the quitter in certain respects. (and I slightly feel that if ETL were scum, he would not have put up such a tantrum and then quit. I feel like scum might have a little more dignity than that. Maybe.

I had a very sick feeling when MS turned up town that Yates was a manipulating mastermind, as Nacho has been freaking out about since page 6. and someone before gave a vote of confidence that this is not yate's scum game, but really I have enough faith in his abilities that he could pull whatever he wanted over on whoever he wanted. I felt a little fooled and taken in. My day 1 reads of yates were mostly town, and so much so that I was too willing to follow him. I feel a little betrayed, and hence the thought that you, yates are scum.

And in response to the votes on me, well the rach/shos combo is obvi. You talked it over in the night and wanted me for whatever reason (probs because I wanted you dead...) I thought it over a bit, and am willing to give it yet another day. (I actually think that my WIFOM of if you don't die, i will want to lynch you, kept you from being killed) so in other words, I am totally going to want to lynch you tomorrow if one of you doesn't die tonight! (but I am kinda serious about it too...)

And as for the scummyness, I clearly don't think my patterns have been very scummy, but thats me thinking about me, and understanding and empathizing with every word I say, haha. I'll be taking questions, as always, to prove my innocence as best I can.

What else? ah yes, I have some poor feeling towards Mac too, and the 'sure it was scum' triggered me too as something very off. I will go do some reading tonight of the dead and I'll let you all know with what I come back with, muhahaha (see, I am visiting to underworld, kinda)

Gut
+ this post looked really towny to me

This is a load of crap btw. Way to flip flop on the reads.

If ETL hadnt been so townie, I'd really be suspicious of you.

DoctorPepper · Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:31 pm

In post 1283, broomhead wrote:Stubbs had a fair amount of suspicion on Nacho, Nul and DP. And myself for a while too (while we're being fair). Nacho I bet is town. Nul, no idea, and DP has had a lot of suspicion lately.

MS had it on for Yates, mac and DP. More mac and DP, which seem to be some front runners at the moment. and I would like to point out again that Yates seems pretty damn fishy,
but I am not sure that I could lead a wagon on him
, if I claimed cop and had investigated.

Soo, VOTE: Mac

This is pretty opportunistic btw.

DoctorPepper · Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:01 am

In post 1289, Mac wrote:
In post 1262, Infinity 324 wrote:

I iso'd mac + dp, and the way they always interact while never giving a read on each other and dp backpedaling when being accused of defending mac is pretty bad.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DoctorPepper
I haven't had alot of time to post lately but a quick skim read before each day. the above quote is nonsense, and I'm pretty sure for me this applies to most of the players in this game. where I interact and don't give reads. that's not a scumtell.

now you are voting me because I have more votes < you are voting me based off an associative tell when you have nothing to associate me with. you gave an extra reason to vote DP (backpedalling when accused of defending me. didnt see this but will read more on the weekend.) and yet you still vote me based on associative tells. you know who do this? scum who have managed to link a townie with their partner. town don't make associations when they don't know what they are associating with.

in this case you have linked me and doctorpepper, and yes, that does mean
I think infinity is scum and DP is his buddy.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

I am urging the town not to let the ETL slot away that easily.
the reason I'm voting DP over Infinity is because most of you read her replace-out as town, I don't particularly see it that way.

also before I go;

@mod - can mafia roleblockers/jailkeepers use their abilities on their partners?

the reason I asked is because I wouldn't put it past Yates to use such a gambit.

Why isn't ETL town for that replace out? What makes you so sure she/Infinity is scum?

Furthermore, your vote on me, even if Infinity is supposedly your top scum suspect, seems like youre doing it because people are saying we could be scum buddies, not because you actually think I am scum.

DoctorPepper · Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:26 am

So someone who you thought was town voted for someone who they thought was scum with a reason you dont agree with, ergo they are auto town? This makes perfect sense /sarcasm over

Here's the thing. I know you said your opinion changed after that one post, but you had quite a strong scum read on him and one post like that makes him auto town to you? Now thats bad.

DoctorPepper · Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:10 am

You never used it on Nul. You havent said anything (not that I've seen) about Nul except that he is null. Its a bad tell. Your town read voting for a scum read with bad reason makes the scum read town? That makes no sense

Your gut can change over one post?

DoctorPepper · Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:50 am

Nacho, I think I've expressed the possibility of you two fake claiming as early as day 1.

DoctorPepper · Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:24 am

Okay, now I seriously doubt one neighbor is scum. So Im going with the assumption that they are all town. Unless we're still going with Yates' theory. What does everyone think?

Infinity though, if you knew Yates wasnt conf town, why say so? Whats the scum motivation? Buddying.

Fuzzy's reason was bad, its as if he needed to look for an excuse to vote Nacho. Not to mention the other scummy things like planning to hammer broom yesterday, after not mentioning him at all.

Plus Mac's vote on me was ridiculously opportunistic.

I could go either way but for now

VOTE: Mac

Ree, I never said he was town, I said your reason for thinking he was scum is weird. Thats different.
But Mac pretty much voted me because I had more votes, while thinking infinity is his main scum read. And saying Im the secondary scum read, with barely any reasoning, pretty much just sounds like "I think he is scum but since youre all voting for this guy, imma say he's scum so I can vote him"

So why is Infinity scum, Mac?

DoctorPepper · Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:39 am

Why is it bad reasoning? It was an opportunistic vote.

DoctorPepper · Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:55 am

Ree is scum, we should lynch DP. Because your whole read on a town read saying person A is scum makes person A town makes complete sense, right? /sarcasm

Anyway, I have no idea what to think of the Infinity slot. ETL was super town for the rage and I was doubting it was frustrated scum rage quit, but Infinity's actions have been pretty baffling and I actually think Mac and Infinity were preemptively bussing. Why?

1. Mac votes for me, even after saying Infinity is more scum to him. Yet votes for me cause Im the easy wagon.
2. Infinity then tries to lead a lynch on Mac. He was sure he was scum. Then later, the wagon gains momentum. Broomhead voted, then later he unvotes and says Mac is suddenly town due to a shit reason. Then votes me. Because that makes sense, right? /sarcasm

The quick turn around is bad and Im thinking if Mac flips scum, then there's a good chance I'm dead wrong on ETL's rage quit being town

DoctorPepper · Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:16 am

Why not Mac?

DoctorPepper · Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:57 am

Hmm let me get this straight.

1. You tried to lead a lynch on Mac, correct?
2. You switched your scum read on broom after 1 post, even if you had a strong scum read, correct?
3. You voted for Mac and expected him to be scum, correct?
4. Mac thought you were scum yet votes for me even if his read is stronger on you, correct?
5. Broomhead voted for mac for things you didnt agree with, correct?
6. You then unvote for Mac when he was at L-2, correct?
7. Your read on Mac pretty much is contingent on a town read reading someone as scum for wrong reasons, correct? Because apparently, this erases all other scummy things you saw him do. Right.
8. Scum avoid ALL scum tell according to you? Becaquse scum dont flail, right? /sarcasm

My theory isnt a BS reason, not like your whole reason for reading Mac as town. I actually think there's a chance on you two bussing. Look at it. Mac thinks you're scum, then gives me the vote cause my wagon is larger. Then later when you're convinced he's scum, broomhead posts and you now say he's town for reasons which only make sense in LALALand. Then you remove the pressure off, because you didnt expect people to follow. You tried to distance, but you didnt want him being lynched, so you saved both your asses, right. Because that makes sooo much sense

Your tells are pretty bad, if they were real. So cut the crap Infinity

DoctorPepper · Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:15 am

No, I dont understand. Your tell is just bad. Why would confirmation bias make broom automatically agree with your reasoning? Its easy for them to avoid bad tells, yes. It doesnt mean its possible, there is no such thing as too scum to be scum. You never answered me, why does this discount everything scummy you used to see?

DoctorPepper · Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:31 am

So if I suddenly drop a lot of scum tells, it removes all perceived scumminess you had on me, like everything Mac did that you thought was scummy was now called as "bad reasoning"?

Show me where the tell is accurate. Also just because someone doesnt agree with you, doesnt mean they cant think someone is scum. Youre just trying to back off a wagon you built

DoctorPepper · Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:46 am

I dont buy it honestly, but thats just me.

DoctorPepper · Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:37 am

I cant fathom why half your posts ever since your backing off Mac is "lynch DP"

DoctorPepper · Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:54 am

Maybe broom? I thought you were confident on him being town. That was totally your case on why Mac is town right, because broom read him wrong.

The fuck with the inconsistency

DoctorPepper · Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:59 pm

V/LA from now til Wednesday night. I promise to still read and post

DoctorPepper · Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:41 am

In post 1292, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1282, broomhead wrote:whats up is I think I am going to vote Mac and hop that wagon.

All his posts are one to 3 liners except the one where one person voted for him out of turn and he wrote an essay as to why is isn't scum. Which really seems like he is just posting to cover the bases then his butt. So that qualifies a vote, but I just remembered that I said I would check what the dead had to say, and I will do that before I vote.

Either way, mac come back and say something!

I don't like the reasoning for this post. Broom is still town but I don't agree with the tells he uses. In my experience, that means the person in question is town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DrPepper

In post 1385, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1384, DoctorPepper wrote:1. You tried to lead a lynch on Mac, correct?
Correct.

2. You switched your scum read on broom after 1 post, even if you had a strong scum read, correct?
Yes, the change was due to gut (my gut is really accurate btw) after seeing that towny post.

3. You voted for Mac and expected him to be scum, correct?
Yes.

4. Mac thought you were scum yet votes for me even if his read is stronger on you, correct?
Yes, but this isn't a scumtell.

5. Broomhead voted for mac for things you didnt agree with, correct?
Yes.

6. You then unvote for Mac when he was at L-2, correct?
Yes.

7. Your read on Mac pretty much is contingent on a town read reading someone as scum for wrong reasons, correct? Because apparently, this erases all other scummy things you saw him do. Right
.

I've seen the tell be accurate about 4-5 times, and be wrong none. So it's a pretty accurate tell. Also, don't forget gut.

8. Scum avoid ALL scum tell according to you? Becaquse scum dont flail, right? /sarcasm
It's really easy for scum to avoid bad tells, because if tells are bad that means scum don't do them (usually on purpose). In addition, broom apparently didn't see my reason for voting mac, which means my reason for voting mac was probably bad (confirmation bias would normally make broom agree with my reasoning). What do you not understand about this? Oh wait, you understand it but you're just trying to make me look bad, cause you're scum.

In post 1452, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1449, DoctorPepper wrote:Maybe broom? I thought you were confident on him being town. That was totally your case on why Mac is town right, because broom read him wrong.

The fuck with the inconsistency

Yes, but the tell I used had nothing to do with broom's alignment.

I was pretty confident that broom was town, but he's become my weakest townread.

If you think I'm scum, your vote should be on me.

Yep, this is crap.

I want Mac first to confirm your buddying

DoctorPepper · Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:42 am

Bussing I mean.

DoctorPepper · Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:37 am

You dont have anything scummy on him, yet you tried to get him lynched earlier today. Because #YOLO right?

DoctorPepper · Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:16 am

In post 1289, Mac wrote:
In post 1262, Infinity 324 wrote:

I iso'd mac + dp, and the way they always interact while never giving a read on each other and dp backpedaling when being accused of defending mac is pretty bad.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DoctorPepper
I haven't had alot of time to post lately but a quick skim read before each day. the above quote is nonsense, and I'm pretty sure for me this applies to most of the players in this game. where I interact and don't give reads. that's not a scumtell.

now you are voting me because I have more votes < you are voting me based off an associative tell when you have nothing to associate me with. you gave an extra reason to vote DP (backpedalling when accused of defending me. didnt see this but will read more on the weekend.) and yet you still vote me based on associative tells. you know who do this? scum who have managed to link a townie with their partner. town don't make associations when they don't know what they are associating with.

in this case you have linked me and doctorpepper, and yes, that does mean I think infinity is scum and DP is his buddy.

VOTE: DoctorPepper

I am urging the town not to let the ETL slot away that easily.
the reason I'm voting DP over Infinity is because most of you read her replace-out as town, I don't particularly see it that way.

also before I go;

@mod - can mafia roleblockers/jailkeepers use their abilities on their partners?

the reason I asked is because I wouldn't put it past Yates to use such a gambit.

In post 1505, Mac wrote:
In post 1333, DoctorPepper wrote: Ree, I never said he was town, I said your reason for thinking he was scum is weird. Thats different.
But Mac pretty much voted me because I had more votes, while thinking infinity is his main scum read. And saying Im the secondary scum read, with barely any reasoning, pretty much just sounds like "I think he is scum but since youre all voting for this guy, imma say he's scum so I can vote him"

So why is Infinity scum, Mac?
I don't think he's scum any more. but I'm REALLY wary of ETL's replace out because I just dont know where her freakouts were coming from. the wariness and shivers I was getting made me think he was replacing into a scumslot and then he made the pretty bad associative tells (like he had better reasons to vote DP rather than me since mine wasn't restriced to DP)

but since then he seems pretty town, I think I like his line of questioning and thinking. his reasoning for DP scum was good.

also I didn't say Infinity was my top read over you I'm pretty sure.

When you say "the reason Im voting DP

over

Infinity" does indicate that you had a preference over Infinity over me but didnt vote because of the lack of support.

Yep I still think it was a failed bus. How convenient is it that you two thought each other was scum and are now convinced that each other is surely town

DoctorPepper · Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:21 am

That statement by Yates is pretty weird.

On Infinity/ETL's part, why would she claim doctor to a person whose alignment is not confirmed?
a) She was town fakeclaiming to see if Yates would be should he be scum
b) She was scum fakeclaiming to gain Yates' trust
c) She was uncharacteristically naive

On Yates' part, why say it in thread, if he said he could have just investigated Infinity tonight?
a) He wants Infinity to not be lynched so he could investigate (possibly endangering him if he was telling the truth)
b) If he was scum, he wouldnt have needed to say it in thread. But this could also be faked for town cred. Yet I am really not feeling Yates scum, but his statements regarding his neighborhood creates shit loads of WIFOM.

DoctorPepper · Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:54 am

Neighbor doctor, really?

DoctorPepper · Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:26 am

In post 1567, Infinity 324 wrote:Why does everyone stubbornly insist on lynching my townreads

Why do you stubbornly insist that your reads are golden? Scum certainty oerhaps?

DoctorPepper · Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:20 am

The case is full of misreps and crap arguments. If you had to resort to that to force a mislynch out of me, then you have stooped too low there.

A lot of your posts against me were just saying that my points are fake, without actually saying why. This seems more like youre just looking for something to pin on me cause you've run out. This is pretty ironic from someone whose predecessor successfully convinced me that her freakout wasnt at all scum freaking out and was just her own town meta. You call my posts fake because thats pretty much all you can accuse me off with thoseposts and you wanted to create more fluff to stregthen the 'case'

When does newbishness excuse legitimately bad behavior? When is it acceptable to put someone at L-1, even as a newb? When is it at all acceptable to vote for people because they dont trust you or what not? Why cant a vote be something used to teach truly about what to do or what not todo in a game of mafia? Nope, because apparently pressuring new players for lefigitimate reasons is scummy right,? So then, whats the point of Road to Rome, if we cant pressure newbies?

How was that sheeping? I saw a bad reaction, so I voted. Thats a load of shit. And wasnt the "if we havent pointed it out" part of that statement an indication that I knew what the gambit was a reaction test and I wanted him to clarify it for everyone. What a misrep.
How did that discount my argument??

Yes because apparently every statement I say is an attempt to look town, instead of something I legitimately thik will help town. I know the merits of using this as a scum tell, but if you wont bother explaining why these things are bad, then you just like to hurl shit at the walls and see what sticks.

Oh, so if Yates wants an explanation for the neighbor claims, its fine. But if I want an explanation for the neighbor claims, its scummy right? This is ironic from someone who accuses me of buddying Yates. Like if you buy his explanaion, then its automatically you knowing he's up to something, but if I buy the explanation then apparently Im buddying. Nevermind the fact that I simply could be agreeing with him, no everything I do has to be either sheeping or buddying.

Hypocrisy isnt a scum tell and that statement in itself was used under different contexts because I voted for truly because she put Rach at L-1. Whereas broom voted for truly then unvoted because he didnt think she was scummy.

Waffly? Maybe I just find it baffling that 2 people who were convinced the other was scum, with one trying to lead a lynchon the other, have suddenly turned around so quickly and now say both are town. Now if THAT doesnt turn people's heads...

Caught scum not knowing how tonrespond? No, try pissed townie who doesnt get why someone has to mention some stupid shitty "lynch DP" banner on every post as ifto make a "good" point.

Im pretty surprised by the fuzzy jump,retty opportunistic if you ask me. Im betting the theoretical 3 man scum team would be fuzzy, Infinity or Mc. If we have 2 scum, then they could be in that pool. This is again one of those "i was formerly suspicious of you but now I totally agree with you" shitbthat they have been pulling off since the start of day 2. I hope you see theyre trying tompull the wool over your eyes.

DoctorPepper · Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:21 am

YOLO, imma lead a lynch with 3 days left on the deadline

VOTE: Infinity

DoctorPepper · Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:14 am

In post 1613, Yates wrote:Wait. Leaving Ree alive might allow for a double kill.

Unvote

VOTE: Mr_Ree

Yeah. Ree first - Infinity tomorrow.

In post 1614, Infinity 324 wrote:Why would I needlessly reveal a reaction test? I trusted whatever you were doing was useful. Keep in mind that DP was buddying you too.

I WAS RIGHT ABOUT REE HA

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mr_Ree

This is from someone who constantly accuses me of buddying Yates.

Your counter case was bad.
1. bad newb moves does not automatically equate not scum
2. Whats wrong with voting for someone who reacted badly to a reaction test?
3. what if he wasnt a neighbor to begin with, we still need to know this shit.
4. town dont use scumtells that they themselves have committed? What? Are you saying its absolutely impossible for a) town to be hypocrites or b) town to drop tells accidentally?
5. The rest of your counter points were terribad

DoctorPepper · Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:11 am

I actually dont see that as being a scum slip. I see it as "crap the DP wagon failed, better bus" from fuzzy.

Anyway, Im not getting Ree scum case honestly.

DoctorPepper · Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:06 am

I think if you effectively wanted him to confirm or deny the claim, then you probably shouldnt have mentioned it and just waited for him to mention it himself.

Anyway Kingdom, you dont think Ree is scum. You stopped thinking Yates is scum. So why no vote? Also if you have been following the game, Im pretty sure you have more reads than "Everyone is null"

Also serra

Have you prodded Mac?

DoctorPepper · Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:24 pm

I think Mac self voted just so we could get a lynch? :/

DoctorPepper · Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:48 am

We have 10 hours guys.. What do we do???

VOTE: Mac

DoctorPepper · Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:47 am

Im sleeping in a few hours. I doubt people will comeback in time.

DoctorPepper · Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:48 am

Lynch someone

DoctorPepper · Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:54 pm

KA, how sure are you that the mason was targetted instead of it being Ree targetted or an NK or some other event?

So ree is surely town, this role is too OP for scum. Yates, if you think scum is masons + ree, why would ree investigate rach last night?

I dont get why broom is getting too defensive over this though "Im willing to prove my towniness"

DoctorPepper · Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:25 pm

broom, were you being sarcastic with the bussing thing?

Anyway, at this point Yates voting for a mason right after Ree just said he investigated one and it could have possibly lead to the no kill seems like frustrated scum to me at this point. Seriously, still insisting Ree scum even after his role being proven as being too over powered to be a factional scum role? And not explaining why he would investigate Rach if they are supposedly partners?

VOTE: Yates

Back at L-1

DoctorPepper · Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:00 pm

Its been 2 real life days fuzzy...

DoctorPepper · Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:51 pm

In post 1901, broomhead wrote:
In post 1899, Mr_Ree wrote:Hmmm, doubting my Telo read now.

More likely it's Yates/Broom/Fuzzy

@Yates: lol. Concidering the post you quoted refers to my choice in night targets, I'm fairly confident I picked the person I'm supposed to.

@Broom: most people here are familiar with my Meta. I'm damn good at stopping nightkills if I need to, especially if scum try to outguess me

Uh, I know people keep giving me crap for being defensive when i don't have to, but I feel like its better to deal with this now, than tomorrow or more likely the day after. BUUUTTT... Ree, is it not strange that my two top scum reads are your 2/3 top? and your third is myself? Would it really make a ton of sense for me (if I were scum) to toss my two buddies to the chopping block and total hopes of being the last surviving scum? I hope that if/when both yates and fuzzy turn out to be scum, you will give me a town's chance.

and one more congrats (although, I could see scum trying to kill you in order to test your unNKable status, so no matter who you chose, there would have been no NK) so I really wish you good psycology guessing. tho I guess you have already choosen. Oo the suspense.

In other news, I feel like Yates' silence and dejection are very good signs that he's caught scum.

Broom, the bolded is a LOT of WIFOM and is pretty much doing that thing you asked about, 'bussing for town cred'

DoctorPepper · Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:52 pm

I've had my say. I think possible Yates partners are KA and broom

DoctorPepper · Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:57 pm

He's going on V/LA

DoctorPepper · Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:15 pm

I think he meant that as an answer to Ree possibly interrogating him tonight?

DoctorPepper · Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:16 pm

In post 1920, Mr_Ree wrote:So I switched targets from a scum target back to one of the Masons.

My thinking was, if Yates flipped scum, I should block broom to basically leave a one man scum team that can't share their thoughts. Flip the blocked one, then block the last one to prevent the ability for scum to nightkill altogether.

I decided to go back to the Mason pair. As long as I continuously block one of them, I can guarantee 2 confirmed town in Mylo.

From what I've deduced, my ability denies qt access to the other neighbour/mason as well. I'm curious to know if that works on a scum qt as well. By eliminating one, it should. I could see the remaining two still being able to communicate when the third is being interrogated.

I ran some scenarios and numbers, either strategy
should

will
work
unless

even if
I'm way off on my reads, which I'm confident I'm not.

Tl/Dr, everything is set on my end. Wait a little bit longer though. I'm hoping for some wicked posts over the next little bit.

In post 1921, broomhead wrote:Well just as a helpful tip, I'll be gone the next few days anyhow, so any potential night chatting (if this day ends soon) I will not be able to do.

DoctorPepper · Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:38 am

Fuzzy, Broom, KA. My suspects for tomorrow.

DoctorPepper · Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:48 am

Fuzzy, how can you have both KA and nacho as scum reads? They are of different neighborhoods, aren't they?

Btw, arent we in mylo?

DoctorPepper · Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:50 pm

In post 1940, fuzzybutternut wrote:Hmm. I did a lot of thinking last night. That hammer from shos seemed pretty town, tbh. I'm leaning more as a
nacho
/broom team, though I'm not sure if
KA is the third scum or if it's DP.

I think i'll
VOTE: Broom
to see what happens.

You have both neighbors set up as possible scum and yet you put KA tentative with me. You cant possibly think that both neighborhoods have scum, right?

Btw, your statement just feels like its going for a possible bus on KA.

VOTE: fuzzy

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:23 am

UNVOTE:

I still think its inn{fuzzy, broom, KA}

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:48 pm

The fact that you didnt investigate broom yet you were 'suspicious' of him makes me seriously doubt your claim.

You're pushing on him as a bus cause you two are the top suspects.

And you didnt want a fake guilty either, because people would see youre not the real cop (if we even have 1 and I doubt it at this point)

Fuzzy, Broom, KA.

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:48 pm

Because he didnt want to be obvious? He could have done that without voting for KA imo.

DoctorPepper · Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:15 am

In post 2023, Mr_Ree wrote:I'm 90% sure that's a fakeclaim. I'm going to do my own ISO of fuzzy tonight. Really not liking the votes on someone innocent.

Whats the 10% thats holding you back?

DoctorPepper · Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:18 am

Shos makes a convincing point, you claimed so fast in your early game, in that game you automatically cleared me because you were suspicious of me. There were other ways of 'supposedly not being obvious' and voting the person isnt convincing me enough that you were the cop if you voted for that person 3 times on Day 2.

I think your covering for KA while not directly saying Broom is scum.

DoctorPepper · Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:31 pm

"We all know he is scum" yet unvotes and says he doubts people.
This was bad.

DoctorPepper · Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:03 am

In post 2108, shos wrote:oh and there's DP. why are you so inactive lately.? he joins in the pool I think.

Because school.

DoctorPepper · Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:10 am

We have a better chance tomorrow because with two possible conf towns in lylo is good.

Im worried about both neighbors read lists. Nacho's is a mirror of shos. KA's is mostly PoE.

But well

VOTE: no lynch

DoctorPepper · Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:50 pm

So fuzzy, results?

DoctorPepper · Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:10 am

Im still wary of fuzzy simply just stating his claim was an FOS instead of ouright saying it.

I claim VT.

Theoretically, if we no lynch again, fuzzy can use the pool of Telo, Me and Nacho to get an investigation. Fuzzy makes a point though, with Ree's existence, scum may not have targetted him by the virtue of Ree being able to potentiallyprotect him tonight.

Shos, why do you think no ifo is gained from either lynch? If broom flips scum, then we have 3 conf clears. If he flips town, we have 1 conf scum and an uncertain one in KA whom fuzzy had investigated. Likewise goes to lynching fuzzy.

We could theoretically styll lynch and maybe hope for Ree to get things right. But I think no lynch could be better by virtue of possibly having a)fuzzy cop investigating everyone or b) fuzzy scum running out of people to create fake investigations on.

DoctorPepper · Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:52 am

Then fine, we no lynch. Do we do it now?

DoctorPepper · Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:12 pm

You know, with all the speculation about having scum between the neighbors, Im concerned. Why did fuzzy not check Nacho but he checked KA/Infinity/ETL...

Maybe he's trying to protect one of them without incriminating the other. This bothers me a lot.

BTW, its lylo guys. Dont vote now, its too fucking early

DoctorPepper · Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:27 pm

Theoretically, if I was scum and I did hammer Ree when he was at L-1, it would have led to my lynch.

The fuzzy wagon has 2 possibilities now that he is at L-1
1) he is scum because no one is hammering
2. He is town cop and 3 scum are on his wagon because he has not died yet

Both fit my perspective of the scum team but his play as "cop" makes me lean towards option 1. He investigated KA and. Didnt do so to Nacho when much speculation had been set up about a neighbor being scum. So Im thinking, one scum is a neighbor and fuzzy wanted to protect the neighbor.

And now KA not hammering and Nacho being on fuzzy's wagon has now got me hella confused...

DoctorPepper · Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:51 am

Would scum really out a guilty like that? I know a cop has no incentive to do that but what about scum?

DoctorPepper · Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:16 am

Why broom over fuzzy?

Theyre both pretty scummy, but I really think fuzzy is fake claiming. And broom and he are bussing.

DoctorPepper · Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:20 pm

Telo, only you and Broom know for sure that fuzzy is guilty from your point of view, why include Nacho?

In any case, shos makes a valid point, scum "cop" fuzzy will run out of people to save and MUST investigate Nacho tonight. So this will confirm one of the neighbors. Town Cop fuzzy will give us more results.

So I agree with shos, we should go broom today.

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:10 pm

VOTE: Broom

Shos makes a great point. Ree being not BP, means that a cop wouldnt be OP for us.

However, Im wary if there is 3 scum, but seeing that fuzzy was never hammered during L-1 we could conclude that
A) scum was in that pool
B) both scum was already in the wagon
C) scum bus

But, I believe broom and fuzzy could be bussing. But if fuzzy was fake cop, we can get more "results".

We should go for broom

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:23 pm

Holy shit!

Guhh Im so sorry

Bert was scum???

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:24 pm

Bert, fess up, who are your buddies.

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:53 pm

Great modding serra

Wish you locked the thread for suspense hahaha

Great game guys

I was so fucking lucky Infinity replaced out. And people read me as town, for reasons I myself dont understand.

Great game Fuzzy and Nacho

we screwed up a lot but at least we prevailed!

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:53 pm

Damn when I voted, I was hoping Bert was online. Lol, good thing he was

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:56 pm

I was prepared to hammer you until shos wanted broom

)

But great perfect win

Ree's fakeclaim was golden -__- looking back, Im like "why did we fall for that?"

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:57 pm

This is officially my favorite scum game

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:08 pm

I lost it when I was called conf town. I was like "yep, we got this"

)

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:26 pm

How the fuck did no one in the dead QT consider me as scum???

DoctorPepper · Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:01 am

Yep, I knew not hammering Ree would make me avoid being lynched

Shos, you didnt do bad. From a town's perspective, I legitimately would have believed your cases. Its just, lylo, thats what complicated things.

The set up was balanced imo, 2 goons and a neighbor. Against 1 true power role.

To be fair, we screwed up a lot by believing Ree's claim and had town won, I think it could be something worthy of "Best Role Claim"

Any case, how'd we do?

DoctorPepper · Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:03 am

In post 2288, T S O wrote:I knew the set-up and who was who, but this was a great performance from the scum, especially Dr. P. I felt I gave my team a decent slot going in and they certainly made use of it. Good work!

Aww stop it you

DoctorPepper · Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:42 pm

In post 2302, Mr_Ree wrote:Did some mention a nom... ?

For us?

) hahaha

DoctorPepper · Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:49 pm

Nahh, dont feel bad. I would have no idea how to name the role..

DoctorPepper · Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:09 pm

Its alright Ree, I dont think we deserve it after getting 2 no kills

)

Anyway, I probably will nom you later for most memorable moment for claiming an incredibly unbalanced role that didnt die until mylo!

DoctorPepper · Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:46 pm

Wait, they dont have a best role claim category anymore :/

Damn, most memorable is for humorous stuff.

DoctorPepper · Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:05 am

The Yates lynch was pretty beneficial I have no idea why it happened

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:34 am

Officially my favorite game on site

thanks serra

Oh crap! A nome

thanks Ree, serra and Jake

DoctorPepper · Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:18 pm

Hope you play some more broom head