Mini 1462: Serra's Fun House (Game over)

[Mr_Ree]

/confirm

Expect posts tomorrow.

[Mr_Ree]

Oh... Yates is playing...

vote Yates

<3

[Mr_Ree]

Berts vote on me seems fishy too (NP)

will need to look at DPs vote as well. but I believe IIRC he voted for me before I switched over to truly will have to double check on that.

Using my tricks now? I'm flattered. I guess you realized how well it worked on you and Rob13...

Caught up to page 7. I hate making associations this early but Shos, RM and Metal Sonic are all pinging me.

I'll let you know if that changes after reading the last 3 pages.

[Mr_Ree]

This post reaffirmed my read for me.

@Shos: what makes you read RM as townie enough to warrant a defense?

well page 5 is surprisingly more contentful than all the rest. That Rach wagon is terrible but more so the 'vote upon request' by TSO. provoking discussion....yeah maybe dunno. we'll see.

hmm well it appears TSO actually has a reason for the vote, interesting. ETL's vote is odd, and be noted that she knows it's L-2.

Truly's 143 on page 6 looks kinda bad to me. I mean it's not scummy, but it brings a potential to use a 'I am a newbie' as a reason for stuff, a reason for mistakes, derphammers etc. me no likey. it is up to us to decide your newbity, not you
with that note in mind, I talk to TSO - does it matter if he has more newb tells? do you know if he played somewhere else first or is an alt, maybe he's dropping them on purpose? I know I did when I started here. and now he put Rach on L-1. is this the way to go on page 6 on a superweak case?

Jake's unvote be good.

I read up to post 161, will continue later, I gotta go again :<

[Mr_Ree]

... metal sonic defense... RM is town...

back, slightly drunk.

169 is odd; metalsonic could be just not followign the thread, since Jake unvoted the moment he saw L-1. that post also had no contribution at all to the game, so I find it very odd.


mm ok so Jake is town but rach is tooo

DP's 181 is what I was thinking when I read that vote

@191: I tend to do reaction test as both scum and town. yes, it does get you attention and stuff, but ig you really use it well and redirect it to the correct direction as scum, ti works in your favor. that is not a tell unless that re3action test was like super extremely dangerous, and in this case, this is not it.

VOTE: Truly

that vote and unvote's timing in pespective to the other votes/unvotes around and the talk seems like opportunistic scum here trying to lay down under the radar while helping wagons.

~~~

I like Stubbs. I'm weary about TSO. possible scum is also ETL, but I'm more confident in truly.

[Mr_Ree]

@Shos, I was given the name of one of the scum in pregame. I'm just picking out associations before I reveal them.

@RM: Good to see you too Rachmarie. I hope that you and NS are well.
Can you tell me what it is about your reaction test that I have a problem with?

@Nachopappa/Burt: I would be happy to teach you the ways of the Ree masters. The first step is finding our small village at the base of the Calabogie peaks. We are a secretive clan of Jedi Ninjas but if you master the call of the Nightingale, we will find you and bestow upon you our secret scumhunting Jedi jutsu.

Or you can just watch and learn. Your call.

[Mr_Ree]

Before I forget,

Unvote

[Mr_Ree]

I was pointing out that Shos was defending you and RM.

[Mr_Ree]

Its not just the votes dude... its all the talk about how my vote was bad, my timing, my "being nervous", and the votes all together. Its not JUST DP. How is this so hard to understand? From my perspective, it looks like scumRach is leading the town by the nose to lynch me and the majority of you are falling for it. Thats what it seems like to me. Thats how it feels. Thats why I'm pissed off.

That's funny, I thought you were leading town up until page 10.

Yes it was a gambit, why did you needlessly expose it as such? Especially considering it had absolutely nothing to do with you. I was totally reading you as town up until your meltdown. Now, up to this post, your freakout is leaving me questioning that.

[Mr_Ree]

I have a really bad feeling about Yates. Seems he is just content to push two different lynches, and which one it is doesn't matter that much to him. And he's expecting everyone to bow down and listen to him like he's some sort of god or something...

that's so not cool...why am I supposed to stand for that??

This is a blatent misrep. Yates is in fact a God.

Oh, and the pushing 2 lynches thing is wrong too.

[Mr_Ree]

Now, up to this post, your freakout is leaving me questioning that.

Can we lynch RachMarie first? I'll tell you how I know ETL is Town later. There is a 100% guaranteed flawless tell she has and she can't even fake it. Not that she would have to fake it with me. I mean... well... you know what I mean...

You misunderstand, I'm still thinking RM, MS and Shos.

Those are the places to be.

ETL just moved into my null range.

[Mr_Ree]

ETL revealing the gambit was more helpful than scum pointing it out in my opinion, and only on this occasion. it was pretty obvious & scum who spot gambits can manipulate their reactions to suit the gambit pretty easily.

her freaking out seemed town, purely because I've been in that kind of flip-out-situation too and been town.

Of course it was obvious.... I didn't want somebody saying "Oh!, you must be a traitor!"

The point is, you can always learn something from them if left to run their course. Just because they're obvious to you is no reason to disarm it. I'm not only looking for scum here, I'm trying to figure out the townies too.

Look at the reaction from Shos and ETL and tell me it was going nowhere.

[Mr_Ree]

I'm still thinking RM, MS and Shos.

MS can be in my fishy pile. Shos?

To be fair, that was before the double voter comment....

....which took place right after I posted that I suspected all 3 of them.

Not sure what to think about that. :S

[Mr_Ree]

Posting for Serra's top of page VC

screw you...

The gambit was for reaction purposes, obviously. Ultimately, what I was hoping to see was: "wait, wtf, vote: Ree" Surprisingly enough, it came from someone I was reading as town. *shrug*

I still see RM as my top scum read. MS and Shos are more secondary reads based off association tells involving RM.

Yates is probably town. If he claims cop he's a policy lynch though. (Jk )
Still can't read Stubbs yet. Townish prob.
ETL seems mostly town, except for the
unwarranted freakout
Nacho seems confused, but active
Dr. Pepsi is active and can be town for now.

P-edit And I thought I posted a lot...

Yates is a good friend on site and also a player I respect. He is so far, the only one to make me lose in Mylo/Lylo. He is quite capable as scum but he's also a strong town player. So far, I haven't seen any reason to suspect him. If I do, I'll be the first to point it out.

[Mr_Ree]

@Broom Why u no like me?

You won't even give me a chance?

Seriously though, I'm not responsible for my predecessor. Nobody is. I can't explain anything they've done and I don't even see the need to try. Judge my slot on my play, and my play alone. That means not simply ignoring everything I do and say because you suspected my predecessor.

With that out of the way, a gambit can be used in many different ways. I personally use them as a form of reaction test. I like seeing people panic and judge them based on their reactions. In a recent game, I almost convinced the mod I had a daykill. Needless to say, the player I "daykilled" thought the same. The resulting aftermath revealed that player as town. I think I claimed cop in that game trying to draw the nightkill, knowing that I couldn't be harmed.

They are bad to expose, especially if the intent is clearly to expose scum. They can be considered a bold move because they can, and sometimes do backfire.

[Mr_Ree]

Thanks ETL, I like you too. Keep leading, you were doing fine and I'm in way too many games to take charge. Lose the freakouts, they detract from your overall play.

Nacho, you can suspect my slot all you like, just don't ignore MY posts because my predecessor was in your suspect list. I can't answer for her and being ignored ticks me off

RM's wagon did grow fast, but with good reason. I see no reason to judge it on speed alone.

[Mr_Ree]

Me too. I took note of that when I became suspicious of RM and started looking for connections. That's why he made my scum pile.

RM has been strangely quiet. In my experience, she tends to lurk as scum. Don't hold me to that though but I seem to remember her saying as much somewhere. I'll see if I can find the quote.

[Mr_Ree]

Well, if we're claiming, I claim Macho Cop Enabler oh, and bulletproof. Discuss.

Pretty sure Nacho's claim was real... that's sad....

Thanks for the reminder Yates, checking now.

[Mr_Ree]

Nor did I.

[Mr_Ree]

Meant to post this earlier: I could not find the quote I was thinking of in the place I thought it would be. I'm willing to give RM the benefit of the doubt on that one.

@RM, why no mention of me? I've clearly been pushing your wagon too.

MS needs to get his arse in here... answering Yates would probably clear some stuff up for me.

VOTE: RachMarie

[Mr_Ree]

Hey Yates, where are you with RM? I still think that's the way to go.

Guess that depends on Ms for you though. The good news is that they could BOTH be scum.

PE: Qft

[Mr_Ree]

What the hell was that?

[Mr_Ree]

Hey Yates, where are you with RM?

I still think that's the way to go.

Guess that depends on Ms for you though. The good news is that they could BOTH be scum.

PE: Qft

@Mr_Ree: Are you saying you are happy with a RM lynch if you had to make a decision at this moment?

Still waiting for Mr_Ree to answer the above.

Right this moment? Maybe. I'm still sorting out this mess. I'm not sure what to think.

Why do you ask?

[Mr_Ree]

Nacho-MS, Rach-Shos, Yates-ETL. (Neighbours and Masons)

That leaves: Me, Null, broomhead, Dr. P., Mac, Stubbs, TSO

TSO's ISO leads me to believe he's town
Stubbs' ISO also reads as town
Mac's ISO leaves something to be desired. Null here.
Dr. P'S. ISO Doesn't ring any alarm bells. Townish
Broomhead can go to my scum pile.
Null: townish

Let's start outside the pairings. We can sort that out later. I recommend isoing Broom.

unvote: RachMarie,

Vote: Broomhead

@Null: She is still very much a scumread for me. I'm giving her a break based on the Mason claim. Like I said, we can sort that out later.

[Mr_Ree]

Well, Yates is making a lot of sense right now. I disagree with him on Broom and Null but I think I see where that's coming from.

We are both correct BTW. Avoid the pairs today. There is no reason to go there, even if you do see (or think you see) scum there. Among the pairs, there may only be 1. Outside the pairs, there are probably 2. That's a 33% chance or higher based on current townreads. That's damn good odds considering it's day 1.

@Yates: ISO broom, then tell me you don't see it. If you still don't, I'll borrow a computer and make the case. Seemed to stand out to me by ISO post 7 iirc.

[Mr_Ree]

If not Broom, go with Yates' vote choice, Null. Yates makes a lot of sense as both town and scum (which is why I Nominated him for master manipulator) but I agree with his math. I'm pretty sure he threw that in just for me. <3.

Broom is probably your best bet though.

Pe : you claimed intent Fuzzy (hi BTW) why no vote now that he is at L-2?

[Mr_Ree]

Fair enough.

[Mr_Ree]

Lol. It worked out in the end. I'm just glad I was online when you did it.

[Mr_Ree]

I don't sheep, my vote is where I feel it should be Nul. I have played with most of the playerlist before. Yes I am unsure about Mac. No, I don't want a wagon there.

What possible reason could I have for advocating a counter wagon on someone I feel is townish? Hmmm. I wonder...

[Mr_Ree]

@Yates: what's your case on Nul?

I was kinda feeling a town vibe from Jake but I'd appreciate your input here. Not completely sure I believe Broom but I'm willing to explore other avenues.

[Mr_Ree]

Spoiler: quick reference post

VOTE: Vote truly14 for having the worst logic. First their name means angelic something-or-other. Second, they haven't even shown up yet.

-1 for not realizing Truly14 had already shown up prior to your post.

meanwhile not liking how dude is waffiling and flailing so much the whole survivalistic stuffs is definitely pinging my scumdar...

VOTE: truly

First and foremost, the 'they' I am referring to is Daemon, not truly who I was clearly responding to. So either you underestimated my ability to read the posts prior to mine, or I do not understand why I am getting -1 on an asinine system. So -4 to you sir!

and then you proceed to vote him anyways, another -2, you are up to -6 total. (I'll keep track, you don't have to worry about it)

And not that I want to see truly lynched (he is quite a distance away from the hammer) but just because he is new and

potentially

foolish, does not make it any less likely that he is scum. So that is no excuse.

And finally for my response post, I'm sorry daemon isn't here purely for the flower, so far...

In addition, I would really like to hear more response to the "if you were scum" post. I like the jive for one, want to hear more answers, and finally I have been out of the forum scene for so long, that I'm interested to hear to going rate for what scum do. The original motion to have everyone answer is seconded.

Um... Broomhead, I never voted for Truly14?

You're trippin... I think you merged my post(s) with someone else's

I apologize. Sorry. +2

Calm yourself on the prod, your frequency of the internet and mine and vastly different. I am sure. So here are my reads:
ETL seemed to throw a huge freak out, decide that her freak out meant she was a town, and then move on from there. She's also referred to this tantrum in a much calmer voice at later times, which is a tad weird. But over all I believe her, or at least enough not to vote.

Nachopapa won't shut up and has many strong reactions to others' posts. I'd like to say he's scum just to see his death, but I think he's trying to help. But I guess it wouldn't take much arguing to convince me otherwise. Also, I was offended you insulted my grammer.

Yates... plain confident

Mr Ree has a bad starting spot because his replaced was just newb/scum all in one. So I don't trust anything you say as you could be making up for your predecessor or just playing the game.


Shos: Why would you claim double voter? or rather wouldn't it be obvious when you get two votes when the rest of us get one? or do you somehow get to submit via PM your extra vote. If it is secret, it seems like a pretty big power role to give up without any pressure what-so-ever.

and

this is quickly provable by demanding to see your ability in action.

DrPep, I have no specifically good reasons, but you seems scummy to me (no worries, I don't normally vote without fair reason)

Jake, you don't seem to post a lot of content, just quips. and I just read you in iso and you ask many more questions and recaps of what other's have said than you give thoughts. A tell of scum for me.

TSO, this:

ETL, you think Rach's scum? Do you have any partner theories?

Also, I prefer my vote to be where it is rather than the ETL wagon.

reads scum to me. Trying to get someone else to attack another, and then refusing to become part of a wagon. Seems manipulative and passive enough to earn a scum vote. and again, your posts are more recap or questions than hunting.

Rach: I honestly don't get too much scum out of you, so... yeah.

So yeah, there are my thoughts, more or less. My post frequency will be about one a day (hopefully), so get used to it. Also, I played forum mafia way back when, and the whole style is different than I remember. So part of this is absorbing what is going on and getting my sea legs back.

Overall, I think I'd like to place my vote on VOTE: T S O for now. Onward an upward.

I also do not know what a gambit is, would someone tell me, and how exposing it was a bold move? or even attempting it? I read this http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gambit and it didn't clear it up for me. It just makes me like Mr Ree even less for the whole "I was hoping for a reaction' thing

Holy ass serra u so kewl

Yeah we are masons. Look at my iso i hinted rach town all game. And duh im not foublevoter lawl

Ill bet theres one scum.in the four neighbours and two in tje unclaimed.

So this is the only reason that gives me just a tad bit of pause before voting for Rach. Shos did hint that Rach was uber town or whatever (see quote below) on his very first real post. and in one other (while also naming another person shos thought was town. (you have done a lot of town claiming in your posts)

well so much for the first three pages - no real content, basically gamestart. RTL's question is interesting and the answers to it too. I'd go with a gut feeling that it is more like a townie to ask that question, since it brings attention to him and it does raise a legit question.

Rach is, as always, super extremely incredibly obviously ubertown.

Jake is once again gutscum to me, as always ^_^;...can you explain to me post 72 for a minute? no biggie

oh 77 <3 ETL should be marked as town

kay uh I'm in the start of page 5 and I'm dead tired so I'll go to sleep for a few hours and continue later. Nacho could be town meanwhile.

But in the very same post he said ETL was town too, and now shos is voting for ETL...

And Rach: claiming masons is not the smartest, and you were still 3 or so votes away from lynch. If you two are masons that is veyr unhelpful for town. Because I am pretty sure no one here (maybe with the exception of shos?) gives you 100% credit for being town. So if we don't lynch you today, the scum will kill someone else tonight (not one of you two) and in day 2 I will be forced to lynch you as I really think you are lying. And I think you are lying now, so I say lets get it over with and see if shos is town or not.

Yep. I am having a tad bit of trouble voting for a claimed mason, but here it goes...

VOTE: RachMarie

anyone have a good case for not lynching rach right now?

some points are better than others, but pretty fair overall. And Shos, although this appears to blow, if rach turns up town mason, you'll be good to go (until you get nked... sorry). But according to my previous logic, masons who claim day one (with little to no pressure) either have to be nked or one of them lynched.

I was pulling for you Rach (in a good way), all up until the moment you claimed mason. I'm pretty sure that if you didn't say anything I would be voting for one of the 4 neighbors to be lynched right now. So unnecessary and so scummy.


Also, ETL I didn't think masons were ALWAYS able to day talk

See, as long as we're discussing masons, I think day talking masons are wayyyyy OP. That does not seem normal to me

To all the haters:

Broomhead: "Im having trouble voting for a claimed mason" then votes for said mason. This seems like a really shitty way to jump on a bandwagon
Also the way he wants TSO to die without explaining why.

And voting truly earlier, and now votes Rach, even if the main reason people thought Rach was scum was because of voting truly

VOTE: broomhead

Nacho-MS, Rach-Shos, Yates-ETL. (Neighbours and Masons)

That leaves: Me, Null, broomhead, Dr. P., Mac, Stubbs, TSO

TSO's ISO leads me to believe he's town
Stubbs' ISO also reads as town
Mac's ISO leaves something to be desired. Null here.
Dr. P'S. ISO Doesn't ring any alarm bells. Townish
Broomhead can go to my scum pile.
Null: townish

Let's start outside the pairings. We can sort that out later. I recommend isoing Broom.

unvote: RachMarie,

Vote: Broomhead

@Null: She is still very much a scumread for me. I'm giving her a break based on the Mason claim. Like I said, we can sort that out later.

But according to my previous logic,

masons who claim day one (with little to no pressure) either have to be nked or one of them lynched.

This is complete nonsense, and just an excuse to push a mislynch on a town PR D1. If Rach was scum, he wouldn't claim Mason as that would simply out his scumbuddy as well. Your case is built on faulty logic and reeks of opportunism.

So if we don't lynch you today, the scum will kill someone else tonight (not one of you two) and in day 2 I will be forced to lynch you as I really think you are lying. And I think you are lying now, so I say lets get it over with and see if shos is town or not.

If we lynch Rach on D1, shos will most likely get NK'd and we would start D2 with zero knowledge and losing our masons as well. Perfect scenario for scum, not so for town. Again, there is no motivation for scum to claim mason with a scumbuddy.

You've also ignored #515 when I called you out for your lack of scumhunting, then made a post later afterwards correcting your error but not acknowledging my post. I feel this is an attempt to discourage discussion aimed at you. Another thing to note, your readlist doesn't mention a single townread. This feels like opportunistic scum trying to leave bridges open for wagon hopping which is exactly what you're doing now.

Will you explain why you just made two posts today that are solely votes and nothing else? What I want to know is why.

That would defeat the purpose of my votes.

Wow, I missed a lot.

Why would we want to lynch claimed masons on D1 again? This is bad.
I agree with Mr Ree.

Post 696 looks bad.
He completely disregards the fact we could actually lynch scum today.
Easy way to hop on the RM wagon.

VOTE: Broomhead

I'm not lynching RM or shos today.

Lets all track back a second and see that my train beat any 0 to 4 votes record so far.

to DrP: I am having a tad a trouble voting for someone claimed mason, but I do think Rach is lying. Hense the vote. And I don't know what voting for truly has anything to do with anything, ESP. because I voted for him in RVS, soooo that was

real

relavant.

to Mr. Ree: Why would you want to start outside the pairings? That makes no sense. Its almost guaranteed that one of the pairs is lying. I have not lied, I want a scum/lair's death (obvi)

To Nul: So you just believe every claim that comes along the block? Fine I am doctor (for all you gullibles out there, I am NOT claiming, jeesh!). There now you can't vote me because I am uber town and vital to our win. This game is about sorting out lies, and these are the lies I see.

So,

question to Nul

what happens if neither Rach or shos is nked tonight after lynching someone else? What do we do?

In ref to post #515 you mentioned. At that point I was soooooo bored of waiting for MS. You are new to this game and have probably done a single read through and/or skimmed. Sometimes the time stamps and waiting does matter for context. And on a really picky note: you tell me to do more scum hunting, and then in the very next sentence say I am only looking for scum and not trying to ID town. (isn't that scum hunting?)

And to stubbs: you are just agreeing with others, so I have no valid counterpoints to you. Well done on dodging.


I am happy to take more questions.

[Mr_Ree]

P-edit: can't you do all this in less posts? I actually look a lot like my avatar. I should post a pic one day yeah, I intend to explain my case. I'm still not convinced enough to move anywhere else.

VOTE: Vote truly14 for having the worst logic. First their name means angelic something-or-other. Second, they haven't even shown up yet.

-1 for not realizing Truly14 had already shown up prior to your post.

I like Stubbs's post #49. I'd like to sheep you on your point. Truly, you're being too careful with your vote.

got a case there Jake?

meanwhile not liking how dude is waffiling and flailing so much the whole survivalistic stuffs is definitely pinging my scumdar...


VOTE: truly

Whatcha talking about?? You lost me after "waffling." Elaborate?

DoctorPepper, your hypotheticals in #82 are killing me, man.

#1. Take a look at this ^ and compare it to the spoiler quote #1

[Mr_Ree]

My post didn't post..... sigh.

Will redo it tomorrow. Phone is dead.

[Mr_Ree]

I thought we we agreed on NOT lynching neighbours or Masons today. What happened to that?

Still don't completely believe Broom but I could probably go for Mac also. Maybe Null but that's more of an option 3.

[Mr_Ree]

Im now sure Ms is scum guys its cool

Suspicious post is suspicious

Vote: Mac

[Mr_Ree]

Metal Sonic, a

Town Neighbour

, has been lynched Day 1.

FINAL VOTE COUNT:

VOTE COUNT 1.18

Broomhead (1) - Mr_Ree

Metal Sonic (LYNCH) - Yates, DoctorPepper, fuzzybutternut, StubbsKVM, broomhead, RachMarie, Nachopappa

RachMarie (1) - EspeciallyTheLies
EspeciallyTheLies (1) - shos
Mac (2) - Nul, Metal Sonic

Not Voting (1) - Mac

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2013-07-05 23:59:59).[/area]

It is now Night 1. Day 2 will begin in (expired on 2013-07-07 20:59:59).

[Mr_Ree]

The lack of vote is suspicious considering how "sure" you were.

[Mr_Ree]

How did you become so sure AFTER the hammer? What convinced you?

[Mr_Ree]

Wouldn't that be something you checked

first

?

[Mr_Ree]

Haven't had a chance to look yet. I'm at work, hence the short posts.

So let me just confirm this: You had a notion that somebody MAY be avoiding the thread. Instead of looking to confirm that notion, you skipped that step and posted in here that you were "sure" they were scum. So again, how were you sure? Because of a notion that you didn't bother to prove? That's basically a misrep.

[Mr_Ree]

Did you happen to miss my other posts Dr. P?

I thought I explained it pretty clearly. Do I really need to elaborate?

[Mr_Ree]

Yes. Towncred.

I was sure they were scum but they flipped town so I must be too... (objectively, it could go either way - which was why I asked what made him sure. I really don't like his answer. He was SURE MS was scum because he did something that he really didn't do but I thought he might have but was too lazy to check. How do you get

sure

out of that?

I could be wrong, if you think I am, tell me why you think he's town.

[Mr_Ree]

I didn't like that post when I read it the other day and I like it even less now that I know it had absolutely no basis to it.

[Mr_Ree]

Nacho is prob-town. I like that he is actually thinking for himself.

That leaves Yates and ETL.

P-edit: I had the same tunnel going. I still see it but think Mac is more likely.

[Mr_Ree]

Interesting. That throws my theory out of whack. Or maybe it adds to it. I'm not sure yet. I'll take it to ISOs.

I can wait on neighbors, it's nice to have you all claimed anyway. At least we know that there is a possibility that there is 1 scum confined to a group of three. We can use the other scum flips to narrow down the search and divine possible candidates. Right now, the chance is 33.3% of lynching neighbour scum, 50% for neighbours. For me (and everyone who isn't a neighbour), the chance is 40% for non neighbour scum. I like those odds.

P-edit @Dr. P: how did he arrive at being sure?

[Mr_Ree]

@Ree: I really dont see scum motivation in saying "I know he'll flip scum" if he knew he'd flip town

Of the neighbor claims, i had my eyes on nacho, but that was contingent of MS flipping scum. So im not sure which one is it now.

Don't feel bad, but I'm going to point out several holes in this post.

1. I am looking at the REASONS why he said it, not just the fact he said it.
2. If there is 1 scum in four neighbours and MS flipped scum, what would that make Nacho?
3. Nacho put more thought into his post than you did. I'm dissapointed and based on Yates' suspicion, probably right.

[Mr_Ree]

You two really aren't very neighborly are you?

[Mr_Ree]

@ETL: all things come in time. Focus on non-neighbours/non-masons. I want to hear your input there.

[Mr_Ree]

??? I just wanted your input....

<insert bad joke>

I can think of countless reasons.... Well, no I can't BUT I fail to see how a cryptic message from the mod makes him scum. I think that would make him less likely to be scum. Otherwise, the mod would be up to some kind of cheating and shenanigans. It's not like Serra to do that. He's a pretty good Guy.

Are you saying that you think Serra would give up scum like that? Is Serra a bastard? I will vote if you say yes.

[Mr_Ree]

Power role? I dunno. It doesn't make him scum.

Phone is pretty much dead sorry for short posts

[Mr_Ree]

I wonder if i want to vote etl. Continie please help me decide

What's your take on ETL

right now

?

@Ree: I really dont see scum motivation in saying "I know he'll flip scum" if he knew he'd flip town

Of the neighbor claims, i had my eyes on nacho, but that was contingent of MS flipping scum. So im not sure which one is it now.

3.

Nacho put more thought into his post than you did.

I'm dissapointed and based on Yates' suspicion, probably right.

That's the first nice thing you have ever said to me.

And no, DP's post does not make sense from a logic standpoint of "if X, then Y etc."

@Nacho, I don't hate you, I actually kinda like your carefree attitude. This is a game though and I play to win. Keep making intelligent post that make sense and I have absolutely no issues with you.

[Mr_Ree]

VOTE: Mr_Ree

Claiming intent to hammer should Nul hit L-1.

THAT is how you get reactions, not some obscure vote you aren't willing to back.

[Mr_Ree]

I don't understand what happened, Rach, this hardly ever happens...

Also, I'm still onboard for looking outside neighbours and Masons.

[Mr_Ree]

<3

[Mr_Ree]

There goes the neighbourhood....

Bye ETL. We will miss you and your backwards reads. Tbh, I was listening. The cases just didn't match the conclusions. It read like a town case for Yates but you were trying to say it's scummy....

[Mr_Ree]

@Infinity: what is your response to the cop claim and being revealed as scum?

Was he lying? You should probably claim now.

[Mr_Ree]

Why weren't you as excited about your first Ree game? They are a thing of beauty.

[Mr_Ree]

OK, before I switch back to my day 1 scumread (you all should have just listened to me then), What does everyone see in Broom today that they didn't yesterday?

Also, since you are a day behind my current reads, Why not Mac? I think he works well with Dr. P- scum. Take a look for yourselves.

[Mr_Ree]

Why is it that I'm suddenly loving your posts Bert?

@Yates: phoneposting wiith limited power. It's pretty damning IMO. All I'm asking is for people to take a look at the both of them and decide for themselves. Discuss.

P-edit:

[Mr_Ree]

Alright, I'm here with my new tab. What's up?

[Mr_Ree]

@Rach, what are your reads? You and Shos seem to be treating your semi-confirmed status as a reason not to play.

[Mr_Ree]

@Nacho, yeah I know. I wanted to see how that call was reacted to.

Badda Bing badda boom, take another look at infinity over the last few pages.

Anyway, just heading to work. Back tonight to explain what I did there.

[Mr_Ree]

unvote
Vote Dr. Pepper

Willing to go Mac/ Dr. Pep/Infinity

[Mr_Ree]

Interesting how I went from your top town read to top scum read....

Mind explaining that?

[Mr_Ree]

How did you arrive at that? I only ask because of how different my reads are

[Mr_Ree]

I'm also quite surprised at the suspicion on me, since I'm normally really easy to read. People who have a scumread on me would be the first to misread my alignment on this site.

PEdit: You are not my top scumread; that's why I'm not voting you. It's mainly PoE/gut that changed my mind.

PoE based on the fact I didn't lynch Ms? PoE based on one town flip? PoE based on zero scum flips?

That's pretty flimsy POE don't you think?

Unless you happen to know who scum is and are trying to find a way to link me...

[Mr_Ree]

Everyone: ISO Mr_Ree and say 3 scummy things about him.

I take it your research was into my Meta then...

I'm fine with this, please go ahead.

[Mr_Ree]

And here I thought you were trying to help me... wh00ps.

[Mr_Ree]

Not really seeing Nul atm.

Dr. P is pretty much a sure thing though. I think I'm going to have to stick here. It's all comfy and my seat is nice and warm... I would hate to have to break in a new cold seat on his wagon.

Infinity deserves a good grilling tonight. I hope you ask the hard driving questions that need to be answered.

Mac is still a good possibility too.

[Mr_Ree]

*scratches head in thought...

I think I missed something.... where do the 50% odds come in? That only applies if a neighbour suspects another neighbour. Odds don't become 50% for non neighbours until one gets eliminated, and even then, it's only 50% for non neighbours. We already went over this formula. Scum kills a neighbour which gives the remaining town neighbour a 100% chance at finding 1 scum. Scum kills a non neighbour, non neighbours have a better than 50% chance of finding scum among non neighbours. Therefore, if a Mason doesn't die tonight, we are basically guaranteed scum tomorrow if we don't lynch one today. Leave the Masons alone to confirm themselves.

[Mr_Ree]

My burdens have been lifted...

It may be a while before Mac returns to claim but I am declaring intent when he does.

[Mr_Ree]

I like the fact you are using my own trick while simultaneously calling me scum for using it.

I thought you were going to point out all my "scum tells" lol.

[Mr_Ree]

I like the fact you are using my own trick while simultaneously calling me scum for using it.

Which trick? The one where you tried to connect your buddy to a mislynch while avoiding accountability?

I thought you were going to point out all my "scum tells" lol.

I will; I want to wait for nul to answer.

That's not my trick. Is that what YOU are trying to do?

[Mr_Ree]

I like the way fuzzy is thinking... I'm totally still down with Mac.

I'm still on a Mac/Dr. P/infinity kick. Willing to go anywhere in there, especially with infinity "seeing it" then turning around on me. If you ask me, the only reason he's not pushing my lynch is because he knows he doesn't have the backing to push it through.

I'm quite suspicious of the Dr. P over Mac push. It really does make me want to push Mac instead. I did pick up scum vibes from Pepper but I'm really feeling Mac is the way to go here.

Will support all this with quotes whenever I get around to it.

[Mr_Ree]

Hey, I'm not 100% here but I am a very confident 80% sure of my reads. I am totally OK with getting lynched if Mac flips town.

WHEN he flips scum though, I'll expect you all to follow my reads. Mac should be returning in 2 days. Once we get a claim, we can decide between him and Pepper, though I'm fairly confident of some kind of scum PR, which would warrant the protection of my other two scum reads, Pepper and infinity. Barring a total misread on my behalf, I'm fairly confident I have this game figured out.

Yates can have his way with Infinity tonight. I would like to hear about this scum tell of mine in endgame though. Sounds
interesting, especially because I have no idea what it is. Consider my curiousity piqued.

Still think Masons are Masons, still think one scum in the neighborhood, pretty sure the last two are outside the pairs.

[Mr_Ree]

And you DID see it. Why do you think pointing it out was scummy? What reversed your read on Mac then? Are you simply clearing him because I pointed it out?

[Mr_Ree]

Yates is my only friend in this game. Why do you keep thinking that Mac is my buddy?

[Mr_Ree]

I don't. I think DP is your buddy. Are you even in this game?

Oh, OK. The dude I'm currently voting for... yeah, cause that makes sense....

Also good, cause I'm not going to bother making one. Not much of a case there, so no need to waste my time.

[Mr_Ree]

Tomorrow...

Right now we have to make sure to hit a non neighbour/non Mason scum. The pool is, Mac, Me, fuzzy, Dr p.,broom and Nul. There should be two in there. Trust me when I say there is method to my madness. I'm trying to narrow down the possible NK pool.

As I said earlier, if we lynch within that group, scum has to target(and confirm!) A Mason tonight or risk outing themselves by PoE. Check the math post for reasons why.

@Infinity: feel free to check my Meta for what I think of bussing. As far as I'm concerned, only idiots and EM players are stupid enough to go against their wincon and sell out their partners needlessly.

[Mr_Ree]

Did you read it? It's all speculative. There is nothing in there that points to me being either alignment and most of it is from day 1. As far as I can tell, he's just hoping that by calling me scum enough times that people will believe it.

[Mr_Ree]

I don't. I think DP is your buddy. Are you even in this game?

Oh, OK. The dude I'm currently voting for... yeah, cause that makes sense....

It's called bussing. Ever heard of it?

Uhm. Town shouldn't be okay with lynching someone they don't think is scum.

VOTE: Infinity

If it gets people to lynch who I think is scum, then I'm ok with it.

1 town for 2 scum is a pretty good deal

Forget about nightkills? That's convenient.. that would actually be (if people ARE the alignments you say they are) 1 lynch, 1 nk (2 town), scum lynch, nightkill (3 town), scum lynch, nightkill (4 town)

Do you really think 2 scum are worth 4 town? That IS a bad mindset.

BTW, refusing to respond to a defense is basically confirming yourself as scum. Town has to have an open mind.

[Mr_Ree]

Yeah, I read it. I wanted to know what you had to say about it anyway.

Tbh, I just kind of skimmed it and laughed. All it says is waffle waffle waffle, repeating what Yates said and town would be much more confident in explaining what happened to Yates in the qt last night.

I guess if I was to respond to it, I would simply ask why I should be confident in knowing what happened to Yates. ETL didn't know - why should I?

[Mr_Ree]

a mac townflip is going to happen and it probably should if lynching me is going to help us find actual scum

OK, don't feel like lynching here today. I've been liking his recent posts

[Mr_Ree]

So... I've been hesitant to say anything but this needs to come out.

ETL spontaneously claimed doc in our pregame QT. It seemed really forced and is part of why I didn't trust her BUT didn't want to lynch her either. I'm starting to think it may have been legit. Sorry to do this to you, Infinity, but hopefully this will help focus the scum hunting.

Wth? Seriously? I thought that was pretty much a guaranteed scum lynch.

Goddamn I need to reread again. My reads just flew out the window.

unvote

[Mr_Ree]

Ree is.better since he claimed broom is 100% town. If he is town theb we gain two confs

Whoa there, you may want to go check that again. I said no such thing. There would be no way for me to know that...

I just said I didn't think he was scum. With infinity claiming doc and Mac sounding more town, I don't have the association tell making Pepper scum. It's quite possible that broom MAY be scum. I'm still checking though.

[Mr_Ree]

God fuckin dammit, am i confusing games? :/

Then ree/dp/fuzzy all the same. Prefeeably fuzzy for lack og usefulness

Yeah, you're thinking of RRatR BS lol. That's why you linked me with Broom who I was actually voting yesterday.

I thought that was off... speaking of, what happened to your broom read? If I'm not mistaken, you thought I was scum if he was.

[Mr_Ree]

Back later, interesting stuff going down elsewhere...

[Mr_Ree]

Sorry all, been having wifi problems lately and have been swamped with work. Will be back and posting in the morning

[Mr_Ree]

DP - Deal with Infinity tomorrow. Let's lynch Ree first since keeping him alive can result in a mafia double kill tonight.

Wait... what?

Catching up now. Had to deal with a freaking tornado today...

[Mr_Ree]

Sorry all, been having wifi problems lately and have been swamped with work. Will be back and posting in the morning

If you don't feel uncomfortable withholding this information, please explain how that code "tRansformed" could possibly locate scum - within reason.

Either way, you better get back here and respond.

crap. he revealed everything....


So here's the deal, Serra decided to give me a one off-experimental role called the town interrogator. It essentially hides both myself and my target and gives us a private qt.

Seeing as how i was the "interrogator" i figured i should have a lie detector, so i made one up in order to make my role more effective. I tried to convince Yates that i recieve results at the beginning of the day phase and asked him one question, how many qt's did he have on night 0. He answered 1.


We then made a plan to check out ETL tonight and if I received a lie on the QT question, I would indicate it with the word transformed when I was making a case on them the next day.


So I really think we should lynch Yates now.

[Mr_Ree]

explain how leaving me alive would result in multiple kills?

[Mr_Ree]

I'm fairly certain he outted me to let his scum buddies in on my abilities and to possibly get rid of me today. He's said some strange stuff today and I was actually considering targetting him again tonight.

He must have figured if I can't be night killed, he has no choice but to lynch me off.

[Mr_Ree]

Considering my abilities, I'm probably the only other PR. Yates knows that if he doesn't get rid of me now, before I can confirm myself for a few more people, I probably can't be killed this game.

[Mr_Ree]

Not quite sure wth he was thinking if town so I'm starting to doubt the fact that he still could be. I'm town. I'm scum hunting and I want to either see neutral survivor Yates or flip him to make sure he's not scum.


The fact he revealed EVERYTHING is something I think only scum would do and totally ruins my effectiveness. That lie detector thing was GOLD. By revealing it now, it prevents it from working against one of his scum buddies.


"He didn't catch Yates' lie so he won't catch mine..."


Serra made this role up himself, he didn't copy paste it from EM. I don't even know if he plays there. I'm some kind of hider/jail keeper hybrid.

[Mr_Ree]

Whoa whoa whoa, I'm seriously town here. You can't expect a MS role to be the same as an EM role.

My role isn't anti town. Jailkeeper + hider. Think about that for a sec. There are probably no other PRs. Why would scum have a hider role?

This is totally scum trying to get rid of the only PR. There are no town killing roles, thus, my role ONLY makes sense as TOWN.

[Mr_Ree]

How is what Yates proposed solid in any way? How would there be 2 kills?

He linked several qt posts but skipped the ones that actually matter. Allow me to paraphrase my entire role

@Fuzzy: educated guess.

[Mr_Ree]

I'm not lying about my role. It is exactly as I described it. Serra even said it was an experimental town PR when he offered it to me.

I thought quoting a qt or pm is modkillable as per general rule #4...

Here's the thing, I'm not going to quote my interrogator qt or role. Is lynching off a PR really the best move today? Let's go with Yates because you'll be lynching him tomorrow anyways.

@Rach, but you can't really DO anything. I can.

[Mr_Ree]

An unkillable jailkeeper is much more useful than a Mason or neighbour

[Mr_Ree]

Yates admitted both the cop and doc claims were bogus.

I asked Yates how many qt's he had night 0. He replied 1. I didn't have a qt with him until he was interrogated night 1.
From what I can tell, he was trying to set up infinity as the night kill in case I interrogated him again. When I interrogate, it prevents them from being able to speak in the scum or neighbour qt's. He was basically telling his buddies to target the doc. (Infinity )

[Mr_Ree]

They both admitted it was a fake reaction test Rach. As far as we know, there is no doc.

vote Yates

[Mr_Ree]

So, I made an appeal to Serra to NOT modkill Yates. I felt like a dick for suggesting it. If he was modkilled, we wouldn't know his alignment which would have made things more difficult. I still believe lynching him is in our best interest.

I will admit that I'm butt hurt after having all my plans for this role exposed and flushed down the drain.

[Mr_Ree]

On another note, welcome Aces!

It's been a while...

[Mr_Ree]

How is what Yates proposed solid in any way? How would there be 2 kills?

"Should the interrogator feel the need, they can choose to kill their prisoner."

Editing offsite wikis? I did tell you I was lying about that once I THOUGHT you were town. If I had that ability and was scum and you were town, you would be dead today. Easy peezy.

Why don't you quote it for us from the qt where I said I made that up. While you're at it, I'm going to need some pretty good reasons not to lynch you. You stripped me of my ability to investigate. Mind you, it was based on lying to people, but still, that was the best possible use of this role.

[Mr_Ree]

Since the cat is out of the bag, I'm willing to hear requests on who should be interrogated tonight. Basically, who deserves protection, or who needs to be locked away to prevent them from killing or talking in their qt?

I still say Yates needs to go. If he was town and that was truly his belief, he would have said it immediately after I revealed myself with whOOps. If he thought I was guaranteed to be scum, he wouldn't have kept it to himself. Even after I revealed myself, he was STILL hinting at me to check out Infinity.

[Mr_Ree]

I prefer him lynched.

[Mr_Ree]

I still say Yates needs to go. If he was town and that was truly his belief, he would have said it immediately after I revealed myself with whOOps. If he thought I was guaranteed to be scum, he wouldn't have kept it to himself. Even after I revealed myself, he was STILL hinting at me to check out Infinity.

This to me says yates is town. He called bullsh*t on your lie detector right away, and if he believed that
ETL/infinity/Kingdom was really the doc, then having you pull him into your QT would protect him from being killed? I guess that would also role
block him too.

Are you even paying attention?

He didn't call bullshit on the lie detector. As scum, he would have known it was false at the start of today since I didn't vote him.

The doctor claim was bogus, there is no claimed doc. The cop claim was bogus, there is no claimed cop.

If he does flip scum, I'm betting you will too.

[Mr_Ree]

Sio many prs, i say we let them live. Whoever is lying will have a hard time making up stuff that fit with others.

I honestly think.this is the right.move:

vote mac

I also go LA for 36 hrs, bad timing i know but.sry

It's just me, the Masons and neighbours. No one else has claimed.

[Mr_Ree]

@Mac, that's just the best description I could come up with for my role. I jailkeep my target and hide us both so we can't be targetted and they can't communicate in their other qt's. In addition, I get a one-night qt with my target where I can talk to them.

@Rach: I'm going to have to agree with that. Yates is more likely than Aces at this point. I think he said something about Broom when he was interrogated last night. Will check on that now.

[Mr_Ree]

" no read on Mac, hasn't posted much" "Nul is prob town" "Broom will start taking heat tomorrow I think. He's probably town "

Those were excerpts from what he said.

[Mr_Ree]

I have my targets submitted based on who gets lynched.

Not sure what to make of the Mac self vote....

[Mr_Ree]

I'm here. I will potentially switch if it comes to deadline.

[Mr_Ree]

VOTE: Mac
The self vote really could be anything, and since I still think Yates is town for now and I have no other real scum reads, I might as well vote here.

If Yates is town, it pretty much makes you scum as we have all mostly agreed that there is most likely one among the neighbours and I've basically ruled out Nacho as an option. Leaving Yates alive would make sense for scum if he is town, it keeps him as a lynch target tomorrow. The thing you may be forgetting about is if he is scum, it clears you by lynching him, it eliminates the scum within the neighbour pairs and allows us to continue searching outside the neighbours and Masons and win this with PoE.

It really is the better move for you strategically speaking.

[Mr_Ree]

EBWOP unless you're scum...

[Mr_Ree]

5ish hours left.

I still very much prefer a Yates lynch. Will be protecting a Mason tonight to focus nk's towards neighbours or non paired players. That will give us a better PoE if we have to lynch Mac today. I will be around for all 5 hours in case I need to switch over.

[Mr_Ree]

Actually I think Nacho has made some really good points once he stopped playing around

He's pretty much a solid town read for me. I'm still OK with voting outside the neighbours/Masons I just think people are missing some of the obvious motivations behind what Yates has been doing. A lot of it comes down to his reveal of my role. There was really no reason for it except to limit my usefulness and to get me out of the way before I could become useful. Since I can't be nightkilled, I become an obvious problem for scum in later game. They may try wasting nightkills on me, I may be able to stop their kills and I may have gotten them to reveal themselves with my lie detector gambit. Yates knew all of that, yet he still revealed me. He couldn't risk one of his scum buddies falling into my trap. The obvious answer for scum is to disarm the trap and try to get me lynched. I mean really, this is 1 + 1 = 2 logic here. It's not hard to figure out.

Look back at what he was doing. Metal sonic lynch, ETL/Infinity setup, some weird Me/infinity link, my reveal, Nacho's reveal, fake claiming etc.

He was trying to paint himself as a PR while simultaneously giving excuses for why he wouldn't be nightkilled. Infinity is a doc, I didn't die because I was protected...

How is it some of you can miss something THIS obvious?


3 hours left.

[Mr_Ree]

I can guarantee I will be here and I'm pretty sure at least one of you will be too.

I was just about to head out so I was thinking of doing the same.

[Mr_Ree]

It is a freaking awesome role, I must admit. I think the sheer awesomeness is the part people would have had a problem with on day 1. I would have taken a lot of flack for it I think. At the time, I was thinking of claiming on day 2. I changed my mind when I came up with the lie detector gambit. My plan was originally going to be to interrogate the Masons. I didn't BECAUSE I thought they revealed themselves too easily and wasn't sure how long they would have held onto my role for. I thought Yates was prob town at the time so I decided to TRY working with him instead.

[Mr_Ree]

As long as I use my ability (I have to select a target before a lynch occurs) and my target doesn't get lynched instead, I can only be killed by a lynch.

If I don't meet my other criteria, I'm good.

[Mr_Ree]

Haha, did someone actually try to kill me? Good stuff. I like it when a plan comes together.

So here's the skinny, I targetted Rach last night and we had a nice long conversation on how scummy Broom and Yates are. Let's vote there.

Vote Yates

P-edit: lol Yates. Remember that I'm just as removed from the game at night as my targets. Your theory makes no sense.

[Mr_Ree]

Your theory makes no sense.

Actually, now that I think about it, why would *I* try to kill you or Rach? I'm the one you "confirmed" your abilities on. It's YOUR theory that makes no sense, bub...

Obviously, I couldn't condone a Rach or Shos shot last night because that would confirm a Mason - which I was already on the record as believing.

No matter how you slice it, I wouldn't have targeted you or your "grill." So you continue to play counter to logic.

@Rach -

What did Ree tell you last night and what did you talk about in the interrogation room?

Yeah, silly me. Why would scum Yates want the Masons or interrogator out of the way...

Let's see here...

[Mr_Ree]

^sarcasm

Obviously scum wouldn't want any of us around till Mylo. How could they possibly win with two Masons around in endgame.

[Mr_Ree]

I think it's more likely they targetted me, trying to "test the waters" of the hider part of my claim.

P-edit: and just how are we connected again?

[Mr_Ree]

You couldn't have targetted neighbours. The townflips would have pointed straight to you. You couldn't have gone outside of the claims, it would have confirmed your partners or narrowed down the pool.

Why do you think I targetted the Masons with my interrogation? I went through all this yesterday.

So either you no killed like you said, or targetted me or the Masons.

Bingo bango, just that simple.

[Mr_Ree]

Just the same, I'm leaving you vulnerable tonight.

If you're not around tomorrow, I'll believe you 100%, promise.

[Mr_Ree]

It was your link to the neighbour wiki that provided that juicy little bit of info, You were sure enough to lynch MS, sure enough to want to lynch ETL, but now that it doesn't benefit you, you drop that idea hard?

They can't all be in the unclaimed. Too easy.

The spin wouldn't work either, you've already tipped your hand when you outed my role and turned on the Masons.

[Mr_Ree]

*Semi-partially V/LA for a few days*

[Mr_Ree]

The Yates wagon has my other two suspects on it...

Don't think I like that but... yeah, I'm gonna stay here.

[Mr_Ree]

That's why I'm sticking.

Submitted target just now.

P-edit: I think I made the right choice...

[Mr_Ree]

It's a pretty good indication of how Yates is viewed at the moment.

He voted you, then Nul, not Telo, Nul, who isn't even in the game anymore. The VC showed that the vote is still on you. Either he stopped paying attention or he's purposely trying to obfuscate things.

I don't buy his reasoning of why he wouldn't target me or the Masons. Clearly if scum has any hope of winning, they have to be killed since I can't be. As long as I focus on targeting Masons, this game is basically already won. The alternative is focusing on scumpects once their numbers diminish. The nice part is, I can talk strategy with confirmed town instead of people I have to be careful of. That's just what I did with Rach. I think we sorted out our reads nicely.

I'm severely leaning town on Dr. P at the moment. Nacho is still a strong townread too.

[Mr_Ree]

Give it time. The day only just started. Yates hasn't even had a chance to fullclaim.

@Aces, what did you talk about with Yates last night. Is there anything you know that would give us reason to pause here?

@Fuzzy: who are your suspects beyond Yates?
@Broom: same question.

[Mr_Ree]

That is why I am holding the hammer Ree...

I can hold it for a good long time til things are accomplished.

In my first Newbie game I held it for 2 days waiting for the IC to make his case and defense... then I hammered him.....

Unfortunately or fortunately to some people lol, most of that game is lost in the major crash over a year ago...

You totally just reminded me of our last game together ...

Lol

I thought that was pretty obvious though, and probably a good idea.

Why so anxious fuzzy? If you are so sure about Yates scum, then just treat him as confirmed and proceed from there. If you could call his scumbuddies right now, who would they be?

[Mr_Ree]

Hmmm, doubting my Telo read now.

More likely it's Yates/Broom/Fuzzy

@Yates: lol. Concidering the post you quoted refers to my choice in night targets, I'm fairly confident I picked the person I'm supposed to.

@Broom: most people here are familiar with my Meta. I'm damn good at stopping nightkills if I need to, especially if scum try to outguess me

[Mr_Ree]

@Yates. Did KA try to convince you of his doc-ness last night? Who did he say he was targetting?

I find that strange as it was admittedly a fakeclaim. I don't see what he was hoping to accomplish.

Considering additional scenarios now. I'll report back once they've been finalized.

[Mr_Ree]

Final reads and fullclaim please, Yates.

If you are town, take a lesson from my mislynches and give it your all. Make some final cases against who you think is scum.

I've never seen you this dejected before. Giving up without a fight? Is this Yates?

[Mr_Ree]

So I switched targets from a scum target back to one of the Masons.

My thinking was, if Yates flipped scum, I should block broom to basically leave a one man scum team that can't share their thoughts. Flip the blocked one, then block the last one to prevent the ability for scum to nightkill altogether.

I decided to go back to the Mason pair. As long as I continuously block one of them, I can guarantee 2 confirmed town in Mylo.

From what I've deduced, my ability denies qt access to the other neighbour/mason as well. I'm curious to know if that works on a scum qt as well. By eliminating one, it should. I could see the remaining two still being able to communicate when the third is being interrogated.


I ran some scenarios and numbers, either strategy

should

will

work

unless

even if

I'm way off on my reads, which I'm confident I'm not.

Tl/Dr, everything is set on my end. Wait a little bit longer though. I'm hoping for some wicked posts over the next little bit.

[Mr_Ree]

Yates was the one who fakeclaimed doc for you. I don't see a point in trying to convince him that it could possibly be true.

There is definitely something fishy there and I'm not sure if it's just because you haven't read everything or if that's some kind of weird slip.

[Mr_Ree]

So Shos and I are pretty confident that we know the identity of all 3 scum. We went over things extensively last night.

I'll post our thoughts after work since I don't have the time atm.

[Mr_Ree]

Need a computer for the VCA. I should be able to get to this tomorrow.

[Mr_Ree]

Now, even more than ever, neighbours are a bad choice.

I wish people had listened when I said to leave the neighbours and Masons alone. That can be figured out later. I wish I had taken my own advice when it came to Yates. Since Shos and I are guaranteed to see endgame, we just have to reduce the number of scum to one.

That means the pool is fuzzy, broom, Telo and Dr. P. Forget about neighbours.

Everybody unvote! There are too many votes flying around right now. It's freaking Mylo. Use FOS until we put this all together for you.

[Mr_Ree]

@Nacho, even if I had a one shot vig, which I don't, it would leave shos open. Strategically, keeping him alive is the key to winning. As it is, we may be cutting it close.

[Mr_Ree]

@Shos, is there a possibility of either or instead of both? I'm trying to decide if this is bussing or legit.

[Mr_Ree]

If for some reason you are a PR, claiming your actions could really narrow this down.

The lynch today is going to be you or broom. We need to know who goes first. When the two conftowns ask you to claim, it's probably a safe bet to do so.

[Mr_Ree]

Sigh.... I need time to process...

That does seem really fake though. Somebody ISO him and see if it checks out. Even one vote on any of those three after they were investigated means it's fake. No cop votes someone they had an innocent on.

This is dissapointing if true. The ones we need the info on are those outside the pairs. If fuzzy were to flip scum, I'd wager aces would too. I have to consult my notes on the aces/ fuzzy link.

[Mr_Ree]

Yeah, that looks pretty damning...

The only thing giving me pause before we speed wagon fuzzy is his reluctance to claim. Can't wrap my head around why... perhaps he just needed time to work out his cop claim. Rolecop? That would explain targetting PRs wouldn't it?

...yeah....maybe...

[Mr_Ree]

it all sounds coached....

I have to think about who could pull that off.

[Mr_Ree]

I'm 90% sure that's a fakeclaim. I'm going to do my own ISO of fuzzy tonight. Really not liking the votes on someone innocent.

[Mr_Ree]

You can bet my target is Shos 100%.

The 10% holding me back is the reluctance to claim and the breadcrumbs. If it wasn't Mylo, I probably wouldn't think twice.

[Mr_Ree]

The thing is, Shos and I walked into the day thinking it was Fuzzy AND broom.

The days events don't LOOK like they support that theory. Fuzzy claiming cop and voting broom. We have to get it right. Scum would want to lynch town and win today instead of drawing it out.

I know Aces isn't stupid, I've played with him before. He has the potential to have coached fuzzy.

@Fuzzy, please explain the reasoning behind who you picked as investigation targets. I've said multiple times that this game can be broken by simply clearing the non pairs. Why didn't you go there? Why broom? Why not Telo or Doc?

[Mr_Ree]

I'm back, you guys. Did you miss me? I bet you did!

Of course we missed you. How could we not?

<3

[Mr_Ree]

You're right, nothing should be able to target me.

Don't know why I didn't think about that...

[Mr_Ree]

Yeah but we need to know. If we make a mistake here, it's game over. That's as good a reason as any to go into as much detail as possible.

[Mr_Ree]

Fuzzy, I'm untargettable. How do you explain your result?

Why no confirmation of the Mason claim?

Why contribute to a potential lynch on somebody who's been proven innocent by voting infinity?

These are the hard questions I'd appreciate answers to.

[Mr_Ree]

Y'all should unvote again... sorry.

He is correct, I am targetable but unkillable. Just wanted to reaction test that.

[Mr_Ree]

I honestly don't know what to think. He would get a result from investigating me or my target.

His night choices may be terribad but that doesn't make him scum.

The reluctance to claim makes sense for a real cop. My biggest issue is voting infinity.

Rolecop claiming town cop? With two Masons, me, and the two sets of neighbours, there doesn't seem to be much need for a cop.

I'm so confused...

[Mr_Ree]

What are your reads KA? Who are your top two suspects?

Screw it, @Everyone: read lists.

Town
Shos
Nacho
Dr.p
Telo/broom
Aces
Fuzzy
Scum

This is pretty much where I'm at. Things just don't add up. I still feel like I'm missing something. Maybe it's just Mylo jitters.

Resume your normal voting.

[Mr_Ree]

Remember, no voting. FOS only while we talk this out.

LA for a few days. Super freaking busy...

[Mr_Ree]

Fuzzy isn't dead so either they targetted shos thinking I would protect fuzzy or no killed.... bet is on no kill.

A win is better than a draw. I have to admit, I'm not liking the no lynches or KA's idea about limiting talking.

[Mr_Ree]

Lol. Good job guys!

I can't believe you didn't kill me right away haha. That claim was outta this world yet believable apparently. I knew I screwed up when I admitted I could still be targetted.

I had the team all wrong. The only one I did successfully call was fuzzy.

[Mr_Ree]

Did some mention a nom... ?

[Mr_Ree]

(As always) I enjoyed playing with/against all of you. Expect invites when my game hits signups. <3

[Mr_Ree]

Once we lynched fuzzy, we COULD have PoE'd the rest. I'll admit though, I did not see Dr. P. Or nacho.

[Mr_Ree]

I would have loved to win with that claim. Lol invincible Mason and JK. That would DEFINITLY deserve a rising star nom.

I would have been seriously dissapointed if we picked wrong with me still around

[Mr_Ree]

Loved the setup BTW Serra would love to run it sometime ♥

Not sure if they will let you as I tried to run a setup already run before and was flat out told no.

You did OK Aces. Of the remaining neighbours, Nacho did the best job of appearing town. I thought fuzzy was calling you town because you were his scumbuddy. Never thought otherwise since I was sure fuzzy was scum and wouldn't fake confirm his buddy as being scum. The actual team, aside from fuzzy actually seemed very town to me. I mistakenly gave Dr.p. town cred for defending me, even though my claim meant a townsided endgame scenario in which it would be impossible for a single scum to win in 3 player lylo.

I found myself agreeing with many of Nacho's early posts. Clearly I underestimated him.

Great job Modding Serra.

@Yates, I'm sorry man. When you suddenly turned on me, posted the qt and quoted EM, the only answer I could come up with was that you were alerting your scumbuddies in case I targetted you again.

@ETL, sorry about driving you batty by locking up your qt.

@Shos, you did OK. If not for the last power no lynch, we would have nailed fuzzy together. Aside from that, I think all of our reads were a little off.

@Stubbs, Congrats on picking the team correctly day 1.

@DR.P., Of course. I have no problem with that.

[Mr_Ree]

@Yates, I'm sorry man. When you suddenly turned on me, posted the qt and quoted EM, the only answer I could come up with was that you were alerting your scumbuddies in case I targetted you again.

Meh - I outsmarted myself. Also the victim of my own gambit I guess. Sometimes they work. Sometimes they blow up spectacularly in your face!

Yeah. I guess we both fell victim to our own gambits. The way I described myself did match your EM reference. I needed people to believe the hider part of my role. The misinformation helped for most of the game. The consecutive no lynches gave scum a chance to stop and think and try killing me.

We would have had the best luck by breaking the game with my plan, going outside the pairs. Other than that, the big turning point in favor of scum was the no lynches.

[Mr_Ree]

Well, "anonymous neighbouriser-jailkeeper" was its equivalent in more or less standard terms.

It was a great role. I just wish the anonymous part lasted slightly longer.

Give it to me again next time. Feel free to make the following changes:
1. Lie detector
2. Hider like untargettability
3. 1 shot vig option

Seriously, why did nobody else call me out on this...?

[Mr_Ree]

That is why I picked Rach first....

Usually it's Yates or I that manipulate the game... we got played... hard...

Moreso by Nacho and Doc P though. Did. Not. See. That. Coming.

[Mr_Ree]

I tried nominating you guys twice now...

I got an error each time. The site does not want you to have this...

[Mr_Ree]

Lol. Don't worry about it. I don't deserve it much either (for this game.)

[Mr_Ree]

Really? ?

<3. You guys rock.

[Mr_Ree]

Unless he claims BP cop..

[Mr_Ree]

Except hiders. Never lynch a hider...

Especially the annonymous jailkeeping truth cop one-shot vig neighbourizing hiders

Never ever lynch them. Ever...

[Mr_Ree]