Mini 1521: The Fall - Game Over

[emogirl123]

/confirm

[emogirl123]

Because I'm approaching this game differently. You kids can circlejerk all you want during RVS. Call me when you post real content.

[emogirl123]

Let's get down to some business.

The-Duck (19): Explain to me your thought process when you made this post. It is not in-line with the rest of the thread.

BolteAltamont (40): Same with you Bolte. See above.

No one else was interesting.

[emogirl123]

It's less distracting than what you were doing.

[emogirl123]

I am only interested in the response from The-Duck and BolteAltamont. Everyone else can carry on with what they were doing.

[emogirl123]

Which is?

I'm far more interested in the people swimming against the current and

their motives

for doing so. Hopkirk appears to be playing a similar game where he previously played as a VT and made a similar yet less aggressive post towards another VT. Of course, you are going to go ahead and say to me that this is a WIFOM situation, and yes it is, I agree with you. Based on Hopkirk's posts from that game, I feel like that was not his first game of mafia, and I believe he is a more than capable of a player to play scum properly. Given his experiences in the aforementioned meta, he should know that accusing someone of not making RVS votes is capable of leading to a wagon regardless of if it is a mislynch or not. Now the interesting part of my post is, we can then analyze if his

intent

for voting me was to lead to a mislynch, or was it a genuine post to prod more information. Since I made this post, of course what ever that has happened will not be on the table anymore. The purpose of this post is to let you know that I have genuine interest in the response of the players I mentioned previously.

[emogirl123]

The-Duck is no longer interesting. If you are interested in more trap cards, please continue to do what you are doing.

[emogirl123]

Its weird that you say you don't like RVS, but question the motives of the first one to try and break it?

I didn't try to break it. I'm interested in why you posted what you posted, and concluded that it is not pro-scum.

[emogirl123]

Even as scum its very unlikely any scum making an RVS vote would be voting to lynch (yes secretly they may want it to happen) but they won't be voting for that purpose thus you can never find the scum intent you are looking for. Both as town and scum the intent can be to 'prod' more information. As scum the intent is at its most basic level to blend in; to look town.

I wasn't very clear earlier. A scum would however look at a previous VT game they played, and

act in a similar fashion

. This was the main point of that post, and I didn't feel this was highlighted enough.

[emogirl123]

The question I’m asking is that if nobody did rvs or anything like it then how would you start the game? (@Emo)

I don't know how to answer this question because I don't know what is being asked. The game moved out of RVS hasn't it? I would start

this

game by moving it out of RVS because of a few people's posts. It's trivial to put a label on

how we would start the game

in general.

@Emo: So could you answer my q so i can vote someone else?

I just got to the thread a few moments ago since the server went down.

[emogirl123]

Hopkirk, of all the votes on you right now, which one do you think shouldn't be there.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: emogirl123 for being the first to confirm yet not ever posting again.

I think it is a very weak reason

Compared to any other reasoning one could muster up for voting someone seriously at this point, the reasoning is one of the stronger ones.

vote emogirl for being the first to confirm yet not ever posting again.

I did what I did because this was a misrep, as the servers were down periodically since the start of the game. I just wanted to see if he noticed this as well, as he was one of the first people to confirm. It was hypocrisy.

I gave her were enough to give her a read on me, yet there is no follow up.

There has been a follow-up. See the timestamps for 50 and 51. Approximately half an hour was given to analyze your post, and I came to the conclusion that whatever I thought earlier about you was negligible. I wanted to see if your response was either to say you were pressuring him for information, or if you genuinely thought the vote had a good basis during the time of RVS. My argument for the former is that Alduskkel is not a good target to place a pressure vote on meaning that your reasoning for placing the vote is flawed. As your answer was the latter, my thought process was not posted as it was not relevant to whether or not you are town nor scum.

[emogirl123]

“I’ll let people form scum reads, say nothing until they have so that nobody forms one on me then I’ll wagon”.
I seem to be the only one who considers that logic scummy, jake seems to consider it very pro-town which I totally disagree with. Although emos lack of opportunist voting seems good/townish.

Did you know, in doing what I did, I am opening the game to you, and more people to question my motives for doing that? We can see this is the case as both you and The-Duck have voted for me inducing further action from me. This being said, I don't feel that what you are saying now has any validity as I was aware of these issues at the time of my post.

[emogirl123]

The scummy part was saying "call me when done"this has yet to be addressed.

This is a very good answer to that question.

[emogirl123]

I wanted to induce action from BolteAltamonte without revealing why. It's too late for that now. You can see that I responded to Bolte within the hour expecting a response.

[emogirl123]

I don't know how to answer this question because I don't know what is being asked. The game moved out of RVS hasn't it? I would start this game by moving it out of RVS because of a few people's posts. It's trivial to put a label on how we would start the game in general.

I didn't. Stop flailing.

[emogirl123]

I didn't think he voted for me. He

did

vote for me.

[emogirl123]

That was the first opportunity to post since the beginning of the game. I don't care if you believe me or not, it's not important.

[emogirl123]

I don't think that is what you mean, but I cant make anything else of it (rephrasing/clarifying would be nice

It was impossible for me to have access to the game because of server issues at times, and external factors at other times, until the moment where I first posted.

So, you don't know whether I'm town or scum, yet you lose interest in me?

Because I'm entitled to focus on other players. This is how the game works. You are not the center of the game.

Why would aduskkel be a bad person to pressure in RVS?

It would have been a bad reason for defending your vote with. This is because he seems to be one of the more experienced players of this game. Voting for him, then jokingly brushing off your vote saying it wasn't too serious but as a vote to get people talking sets off scum flags. It strikes me as a player not wanting to rock the boat too much and taking the safer more socially acceptable route. I feel at that time, there was no appropriate vote to place which induced pressure.

Lets for arguments sake say I did vote him to pressure him, would that have made me town or scum?

Would open up a chain of discussion between us initially leading me to believe you are scum.

[emogirl123]

Logically a vote for inactivity will vanish if your reveal it was due to lack of access thus how would you follow that up?

We are not having a discussion about my lack of access. There is no basis behind that and a complete WIFOM situation.

I will provide further input once Slandaar response to your wall.

[emogirl123]

Adding a question mark to a sentence does not make it a question. I don't know how to respond to whatever it is that you were asking.

[emogirl123]

So I don't have a lot at this very moment to say but then again about half the playerlist hasn't said jack so by the time at least some of those people get around to saying something I'll have some better leads.

I agree with this. Leaving the thread.

[emogirl123]

I don't really understand what you're saying here. In particular, are you speaking hypothetically starting at the phrase "voting for him"? Does "a player" refer to anyone in particular?

Refers to you.

Why was there no appropriate place to put a pressure vote?

It's my opinion.

[emogirl123]

"a player" refers to The-Duck. Excuse my poor sentence structure. I thought it was self-explanatory.

[emogirl123]

A more serious VOTE: Alduskkel. Caught scum.

[emogirl123]

@yiley. What in the fuck are you talking about?
@Alduskkel, that was not a pressure vote. You are scum.

[emogirl123]

I'm not familiar with your meta. Will have to review before posting. Just as a spoiler, there are several reasons in 133. Will post in half an hour or so.

[emogirl123]

I began to read your previous games but got way too lazy to do so. Let's try starting here.

Alduskkel has made a total of three votes:

• 1. Hopkirk was the first RVS vote. This has no significance and is only natural that he drops the vote eventually.
  
  2. Yiley was his second vote, and this vote has a reasoning. He explicitly stated that the reason for his second vote was to prod Yiley in giving more than one-liners.
  
  3. Jake from State Farm was his third vote, and again this vote has a reasoning. Stating that he has a feel for a bunch of players being "town", placing the vote has no other intention other than another prod on Jake.

My scum hunting methodologies for Day 1 is as always to find the most neutral of players. Two out of three of his votes explicitly state that the reasoning was not suspicion, but to prod for information. This can be seen when he removed the vote from Yiley and placed it on Jake. What this accomplishes is the facade of voting without generating any new information. Therefore, maintaining his neutrality.

I am waiting on a follow-up with The-Duck for Alduskkel's second question, and Alduskkel's response, so let's not talk about that right now.

I feel like Hopkirk's case on emogirl would be good if emogirl were actually doing what he was accusing her of doing, but emogirl seems to be participating just fine so I see no issue there.

Making this claim while not taking a stance is a flag for me. Why stop the analysis at establishing that Hopkirk's push is flawed? To maintain neutrality.

At the same time Jake's case on Hopkirk doesn't work for me either. Personally I thought it was funny to respond to such a stupid argument in such a serious manner.

This is just a commentary on a significantly small portion of why Hopkirk has been racking up votes. I agree with his comment of how Jake has no case, but this is a misrepresentation of the wagon on Hopkirk, as Jake's reasoning is not why Hopkirk has votes.

He fails to acknowledge that there are real reasons as to why Hopkirk is being wagoned on. He does not push Slandaar to reason his vote (which by the way, needs to happen), and he does not push Jake to reason his vote on Hopkirk, as he did raise good points as to why Jake's reasoning is flawed. Why take the time to start a defense of someone and not follow through? Again, it's to maintain neutrality.

I don't really understand what you're saying here. In particular, are you speaking hypothetically starting at the phrase "voting for him"? Does "a player" refer to anyone in particular?

Why was there no appropriate place to put a pressure vote?

I want a response from you for why these questions were asked.

Will make a follow-up post after the things bolded above resolves.

[emogirl123]

He does not push Slandaar to reason his vote (which by the way, needs to happen)

Much better.

[emogirl123]

Well that's good! I was thinking of going into great detail to explain why I made my vote but apparently I don't need to!

Of course not, silly. You only needed to explain it if you kept your vote, which you didn't.

[emogirl123]

Yiley, what do you think of Hopkirk?

[emogirl123]

Take a look at JKLM tell me what you think of him, town, scum, got no idea?

This is directed at Yiley?

[emogirl123]

@The-Duck. I wanted to see whether or not Bolte's vote was indeed RVS, or was it to exploit a vote. As you can see, it was indeed a RVS vote.

Compared to any other reasoning one could muster up for voting someone seriously at this point, the reasoning is one of the stronger ones.

This stood out for me. I wasn't sure if it was an exploit or not. My post clarified this for us since he responded saying that it was RVS.

If you were town, I'd expect you toat the very least question or push me a bit more until you do get a read.

This isn't true. Slandaar saying

"I gave Hopsy the Benefit of the doubt."

made perfect sense to me as to why he dropped the vote, in fact, I felt the same way. It was a similar feeling for you at the time when I found you uninteresting.

The reason why I didn't post my thoughts in more detail at the time of how you responded to me, was that it didn't provide town with new information. I posted why eventually when prodded, and you can see Adluskkel took no time with his exploits.

[emogirl123]

Null read on Bolte, stating RVS for his second post is null. I want to lynch sunshine under current circumstances. How day proceeds depends on his response.

[emogirl123]

Alduskkel is scum because he is trying the hardest to remain as neutral as possible keeping everyone happy. Reasons for this can be found in my post.

[emogirl123]

Like a prostitute.

[emogirl123]

It's meaningless unless he responds. We can genocide neutrals all day, but will not get us anywhere. Genocide is not the answer.

[emogirl123]

I don't know how you concluded that my Jake vote is only a "prod" on him.

Sorry, I was mistaken. Now that you mention your vote was not a prod, your reasoning make your posts inconsistent. Whether or not you think this is a good reason, it is for sure not

useless

. In fact, his case for Hopkirk kept escalating, and the only response you have for it was stating that Jake's case

doesn't work for you

. Keeping in mind that you are still voting for Jake, his new posts should have been mentioned with more detail. Especially since Hopkirk had a wagon with various reasons. This makes you appear to be throwing out votes without contributing much content for town. Wouldn't you consider this as

active lurking

? Which is a scum read according to you.

Your wording

I don't really understand what you're saying here.

I read as aggressive. Your previous post explains how it wasn't. This is all I'm going to say about that.

Thanks for telling all the scum that. Now they know exactly how to fool you.

How do you know that's not exactly what I want scum to believe? In fact, it's not too predict that reaction, as you probably only took 10 seconds to formulate that conclusion when you read my sentence and believed it. How do you know I didn't put thought into it when I posted? How do you know if I'm lying my teeth off right now trying to appear as a high and mighty douche bag? It's a mystery.

[emogirl123]

I really don't see a reason for you to have team reads at this point in general, but to vote outside your team reads doesn't make sense to me.

I'm going to step in here as you aren't going to listen to what he is =19567#p5485548]telling you. You can see that he never directly responded to Yiley, when asked for the reason why he scum-team read. I believe he adequately explained his reasoning for doing so as standard Day 1 aggression. Try to not focus too much on why he gave a scum-team read. I genuinely believe it wasn't significant.

[emogirl123]

Typo sorry. Replace that jumbled up mess as
"I'm going to step in here as you aren't going to listen to what he is telling you."

[emogirl123]

What do you think of grey's attack on me for building a case on/pressuring you?

Mixed feelings about it, both sides have inconsistencies. I want to resolve the issue with Alduskkel first.

[emogirl123]

How is saying that you are wrong to assume his 2/3 scum read is a very serious read irrelevant?

[emogirl123]

Take my word for it that Jake "escalated" his vote on Hopkirk with more posts. Between your vote on him at 57, up until you made your 133 post, he has made multiple posts that "don't work for you". Your reason to vote him was that he "is kind of useless". Things changed, yet you failed to acknowledge this, leading me to believe you are throwing votes out for the sake of throwing out votes. Hence "active lurking".

All of your votes so far have been empty or RVS. And when given the opportunity to develop more on Jake, whom you voted, the only input you had was "Personally I thought it was funny to respond to such a stupid argument in such a serious manner.". So tell me, what have you done that isn't considered "active lurking".

[emogirl123]

Honestly, this just seems like being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, because your responses are more rhetorical than anything else.

I word things in an awkward way. Should have probably said, of course I am aware of this. That's why I will adapt my play-style accordingly to compensate for what you said. I defend myself when another player questions my competence to play the game.

[emogirl123]

What posts aren't active lurking?
Well, these posts strike me as the ones with at least some significant content: 14, 36, 57, 62, 76, 133, 181, 201.

Then we have different opinions of what is and isn't active lurking. I'm done with this case. Feel free to start contributing to the game.

[emogirl123]

I don't need to convince anyone of anything. They are capable of reading the thread can't they? I'm not here to spoon feed everyone.

[emogirl123]

And if you are town and I am of an "unknown alignment", then it is in your best interest to ___.

[emogirl123]

I'm really curious as to what you are going to do about this.

[emogirl123]

Because you failed to address the main points as to why I voted for you. We have nothing further to talk about.

[emogirl123]

Then I'm confident in your lynch.

[emogirl123]

Because for a while, SonOfZeus and JKLM played similarly. Now JKLM is vla until Saturday. I really don't know what you are trying to accomplish here. Also you are

really

pushing it this game.

[emogirl123]

Could you explain to me why you said you were catching up and didn't read one post?

Why would he say he is catching up, then not read any post and VLA??

[emogirl123]

I mean, why of course, he is a scum. That's why.

[emogirl123]

I'm saying he has 2 posts. I'm not saying anything else.

[emogirl123]

Alduskel wouldn't act neutral as scum because its too obvious?

His response to my accusation was

"no, look at my posts, they aren't active lurking"

, while I disagree.

[emogirl123]

What defense? You failed to acknowledge my points. Also, what are you doing for this game? Guys, we have a scum here.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: alduskkel I'm going to revote just because how badly you are flailing right now.

[emogirl123]

I've been waiting for quite a bit of time for you to give actual input into the game. Instead, you terribly misrep my case on you, and continue to do nothing except saying what I should be doing, instead of focusing on what YOU should be doing.

[emogirl123]

Flail more.

[emogirl123]

Just you. If you honestly believed

"Well, these posts strike me as the ones with at least some significant content: 14, 36, 57, 62, 76, 133, 181, 201."

, then you are a worse player than I gave you credit for.

[emogirl123]

We are out of RVS. Don't patronize me.

[emogirl123]

Why don't you re-read my case against you and make a proper post. Let's try that.

[emogirl123]

Trying to convince me that I'm scum is never going to work, for obvious reasons.

You even said this yourself. There is no point of our conversation right now. I am saying you didn't make a proper post and you did. We need someone other than ourselves to comment.

If you get me lynched and I flip town, what do you do from there?

You won't flip town.

[emogirl123]

you did.

typo.

"you said you did"

. I bet you really enjoyed that one.

[emogirl123]

So tell me, what have you done that isn't considered "active lurking".

"So tell me, what have you done that isn't considered "active lurking" and why?

[emogirl123]

Because in my opinion, empty votes with easily agreed upon reasoning (i.e. inactivity), is active lurking. It is simply stating the obvious and a way of getting votes out without much consequences. Your entire game consists of just that.

[emogirl123]

They all serve a purpose

The purpose of looking busy without actual scum finding.

[emogirl123]

In retrospect, I should have let you float around a bit longer. I'm sure you would continue to display similar behaviour as you are scum, making your lynch almost instant.

[emogirl123]

How about you give me a reason to not tunnel you. I had a good solution here.

Feel free to start contributing to the game.

It was 50 posts ago.

[emogirl123]

In any case I never stopped contributing to the game.

Then we disagree. Funny how we keep disagreeing.

[emogirl123]

My read on Yiley is, why the fuck aren't you questioning him about his vote on you? That would be the first thing I would do as you.

[emogirl123]

Also, his original reasoning for voting you is weak. I doubt he really supports my reasoning to vote you for the reason, but for the fact that someone else also came to the conclusion that you are scum. It really depends on what type of player he is. Is he a strong player or a weak player? Hard to read otherwise.

[emogirl123]

My read on Yiley is, why the fuck aren't you questioning him about his vote on you?

You didn't answer this. I was waiting for you to comment on Yiley for a long time now (2 days?). Don't disappoint me.

[emogirl123]

And again again in 139-145.

Well you sure are good at responding to me with things that simply aren't true.

[emogirl123]

I'm denying post 145 was targeted at Yiley. Also, you have made no attempt to talk about Yiley after my case against you. Instead of responding to the case, you dismissed Yiley's vote for you as something that isn't worth your time to talk about. Also instead of responding to the case, you just start dodging the case and attacking me instead with semi-serious reasons.

[emogirl123]

Shouldn't you be trying to convince other people that I'm scum if you believe your case?

Instead of asking me this at that point, I thought you would start figuring out why I'm voting for you and making a post about that. Instead, you continue to be dodgy about the subject and argue that I am tunnelling you.

[emogirl123]

Based on your responses. No you don't.

[emogirl123]

No, you're wrong.

[emogirl123]

Yiley's vote really isn't worth saying much about.

In my opinion, saying that something isn't worth saying much about is something to say something about. Your reaction is interesting to me. Two players vote for you, and you respond with semi-serious attacks on one, and completely ignore the other. Now you argue that you are contributing to the game? Why are you being inconsistent?

[emogirl123]

I did make my case and I did argue for it. Everything else was behavioural. You missed the part when I had a case and he ignored it. I expect slandaar will eventually settle down with a post. This is speaking from one game of meta with him.

[emogirl123]

If ald flips scum

Why would he flip scum?

[emogirl123]

We need to start voting for Alduskkel.

Username's posts are very solid for what he has said so far. This isn't just because he supports my case. If he is being manipulative at all in his posts as a scum, it is taking advantage of my poor reads on Alduskkel, if Alduskkel was town. We don't have anything to worry about though. I'm certain of my reads, and he will flip scum.

[emogirl123]

Alduskkel's reaction to Username is pretty much the nail in his coffin. If Alduskkel was town, then Username's vote on him would definitely spark a strong town reaction. Having two major (active) players, (+Duck and Yiley) all wanting to lynch him, it shouldn't be his reaction to let this go. He would have either made a strong push towards Username, or me, because there is on way that this whole wagon is town if he is in fact scum. He does not realize this, making me confident in lynching him. + other reasons I already mentioned.

[emogirl123]

because there is on way that this whole wagon is town if he is in fact scum

Butchered that sentence.

"because there is no way that his whole wagon is town if he is also town"

.

[emogirl123]

To summarize my case on Alduskkel in five words.

He refuses to scum hunt.

[emogirl123]

The two active players are me and username, as both of our posts contribute to scum finding. +Duck and Yiley are another two people that want to lynch you, making the wagon 4 people. I should have listed The-Duck as active though.

I'm not suggesting that you would OMGUS vote. I'm suggesting that you should start reacting differently and actively finding scum, which you aren't doing. If I have no case, why are there 4 possible votes on you already? Why do you think The-Duck agreed with me, and Username agreed with me if there is no case or if I'm not responding to your defence.

[emogirl123]

Post count doesn't matter. Why are you just looking for "flaws" when responding to me. I noticed you do this a lot.

Username made a very good point regarding Hopkirk, and took a stance with the case for you. These posts are worth way more than post count, as you can see from Yiley.
The-Duck is on your wagon. Read his posts.

[emogirl123]

That's not true. There is no strong case for grey right now, meaning that he is on the wagon with the strongest case, defaulting to you.

What exactly do you want me to say? I've already responded to your case.

It's not about responding to the case anymore, which by the way, you didn't respond to my case. All of your posts after the fact are very incriminating, not to mention the case itself. Unless you can come up with an alternative to lynching you, and JKLM doens't count, I will not change my vote.

[emogirl123]

I think grey is scum for a few reasons. Anyone other than The-Duck see it?

[emogirl123]

Hint: It's not only because grey is defending alduskkel by attacking someone weak like yiley.

[emogirl123]

Also, scum would absolutely not kill outside of iamusername, jake, emogirl123, slandaar, and the-duck. Whoever left alive in that list should be the list to pick a Day 2 lynch from.

[emogirl123]

Nevermind, they might all be town. But I am certain the night-kill is out of those 5 players. There is no explanation for anything else. The-Duck vs greygnarl, I'm siding with Duck.

[emogirl123]

notice how I've been working on him most of the game

What were your thoughts early game on Yiley and why?

[emogirl123]

What's even the point of that?

It's a secret.

[emogirl123]

Why have you ignored that completely and acted as if you were the first to see it?

Sorry, I forgot to mention you. VOTE: grey. You guys don't trust my reads, so we can let the PRs deal with him. In my opinion, alduskkel is more likely to flip scum than grey, but we don't care about that. Someone can just vigi JKLM out if we have vigi. At this point, I just want either grey or alduskkel gone, so we can progress with the game. Lazy as fuck. I doubt neither of them will be a mislynch.

[emogirl123]

Nevermind I'm being stupid. I'm certain that Alduskkel is scum, why the fuck am I changing votes. VOTE: Alduskkel

[emogirl123]

VOTE: emogirl123

[emogirl123]

im scum. vote me

[emogirl123]

VLA: Dec 5.

[emogirl123]

On a side note, I tunnelled Alduskkel so hard that I forgot how retarded a bunch of players were. Going to drown my head in a bucket of ice for three days before leading a wagon on Hopkirk.

[emogirl123]

retarded

typo. replace with

"scum"

. i'm tired.

[emogirl123]

drama

[emogirl123]

if Yiley is not scum no loss.

I used to think like that, then scum manipulated that sentence into a L-1 for me. Good thing I'm pretty good at playing SK.

[emogirl123]

Hey username, what are your thoughts now about stuff. It might sound weird, but when I was making my case against Alduskkel, you were probably the only player I expected to understand my thought process. I'm interested in what your reads are now based on the past few pages. I feel as if there are some high-level tactics being played, care to do an analysis?

[emogirl123]

care to do an analysis?

I think main points I'm interested in, but not limited to, are:
- points where counterpushes are easy
- scum defending obvious town
- scum defending non-obvious scum
- and based on the analysis, who do you want to flip, and what info will be gain from the flip

[emogirl123]

If Alduskkel is town, and already gained that much momentum. Hopkirk would have hopped over to his wagon as a scum instead of flailing around annoying everyone in the game. I'm toying around with theories like this. I'm still V/LA and don't really want to devote time to make a solid push. You guys can take care of it. I believe in you.

[emogirl123]

Some old meta playing as SK that you guys don't have access to. Lead policy lynches of bad players because it was hard to figure out their alignment.

[emogirl123]

Don't fucking claim on day 1.

[emogirl123]

Lynching bad players is not a scumtell.

I agree. I was just pointing it out for everyone.

[emogirl123]

What is your case for me as scum Yiley?

I think I threw a scum read for you earlier.

[emogirl123]

I don't recall him having a case against you.

[emogirl123]

Totally non game related. @Jake

of the top of your head please.
copy and paste the list of who's playing from the start of the thread and tell me what you think they are

this is stupid, and i will not oblige.

[emogirl123]

huge townvibes at me is iamusername

logic shouldnt be a town read

[emogirl123]

Although Hopkirk is ignorant and a terrible player, I am unfortunately forced to say that he is obv town and what a waste of a town player slot. Jake, now that Hopkirk is obv. town, does that make a difference in what you think?

[emogirl123]

Hopkirk is my only town read as of right now. No one is lynching him.

[emogirl123]

iunno. i like being over the top.

[emogirl123]

scum is refusing to bus alduskkel, and i don't know which one of them is. hopkirk refusing to bus alduskkel is the only thing he does that is scummy aside from all of his action. in saying hopkirk is scum, you are also saying alduskkel is scum.

[emogirl123]

You could always make a case on ald.

nothing i say now would make a difference. town decided that they don't have the balls to chop off a player with any hint of experience by going with the safer route of jklm, which is also who scum wants to hang.

[emogirl123]

int: I'm Tow

I don't like lynching JKLM because scum likes lynching JKLM. Who else can we lynch?

[emogirl123]

The question is for Alduskkel. I know who everyone else wants to lynch.

[emogirl123]

ok v/la time. love you all

[emogirl123]

VOTE: ald isn't a mislynch.

[emogirl123]

bump

[emogirl123]

Alduskkel being as lazy as he is at scum finding, it is also possible that he is a PR. Don't need to wait for him to claim though, I'm sure he saw this post already. Just go ahead and lynch.

[emogirl123]

can't its off site

[emogirl123]

Why am I scum and not username. I'm the one pushing, he was agreeing with me.

[emogirl123]

no can't cross universes

[emogirl123]

dark matter and physics and shit

[emogirl123]

yep

[emogirl123]

because it's not relevant right now. why are you grasping straws.

[emogirl123]

??????????

[emogirl123]

i haven't played a scum game in years. closest thing to being scum was a SK game

[emogirl123]

i haven't played a scum game in years

guess what, that includes this game!

[emogirl123]

ideally, my scum play would make people town-read me in day 1 for being over the top. just like my town play!

[emogirl123]

ideally, it doesn't. that's how you are supposed to play.

[emogirl123]

but when i'm town, i put in place a lot of tactical breadcrumbs for scum to read which influences their decisions/night actions. when i'm scum, those tactical breadcrumbs would look more forced.

[emogirl123]

i like controlling what scum thinks as town.

[emogirl123]

only if you make a good case against another player.

[emogirl123]

something that isn't 4 sentences.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: grey

[emogirl123]

UNVOTE:

[emogirl123]

idk, people probably think you are bouncing votes too much. i didn't really read the past 5 - 8 pages, but your reaction to L-2 and L-1 wasn't feeling right to me.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: grey, let's try that again.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: jklm

[emogirl123]

but not in the way I would think

my way is probably better

[emogirl123]

It's when you pop in the thread as soon as someone mentions your name. Which I really think is a null tell.

[emogirl123]

There is nothing to explain. You are one of my scum reads, I don't care anymore.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: grey

[emogirl123]

yeah but where did the scumread come from? You didn't mention it at all before.

I did, but that's not the point. I'm on the fence about a lynch of you, Alduskkel, or JLKM. Neither of you three would be a good night kill candidate for scum, making one of you a very good day 1 lynch.

[emogirl123]

the past few pages just blew my mind. i'm really struggling to find out why there are 4 possible wagons that are forming.

[emogirl123]

in fact: UNVOTE:
I'm sure I can do better.

[emogirl123]

confused about votes being placed on me by people I thought were not retarded

should have said this earlier.

[emogirl123]

Even night tracker.

Truth.

[emogirl123]

Everyone is saying yiley is copying what I'm doing, but I see this differently. If that is the case, then yiley is copying username, because username has the same votes as I did for a while. Possible scum coordination there. Also, reading thread from beginning on my phone. No longer v/la

[emogirl123]

Thought process for my previous post: Since I know for sure that I'm town, Yiley sheeping me as scum, he would have seen that his scum partner Username was also sheeping me. However, Yiley did vote for Alduskkel to begin with, so I'm not sure about the Yiley/Username pair. I noticed the sheeping though, but I really felt like I had good points earlier. Grey and Ald completely forgot that I previously did vote Grey. I'm not sure why this is, but can think of reasons making this a null tell.

[emogirl123]

Slandaar, sheep me. VOTE: jklm

[emogirl123]

reading thread from beginning on my phone

I lied, but I think the basis of Jake's exchange with Slandaar had an emotional basis rather than logic. JKLM is a good policy lynch, and PRs can deal with whoever.

[emogirl123]

Also, if you want another more recent reason as to why to lynch JKLM, he voted Slandaar for being lazy with his post about whatever. I forgot, but it was the exchange where Slandaar said something about JKLM's vote on Ald. JKLM made the similar mistake going from memory. Why the fuck did he vote? It's a null tell, and in fact, he just made the same mistake. How the fuck is that a scum tell deserving of a vote. It seems like lazy scum hunting to me, making him a good policy lynch, if not, scum.

[emogirl123]

JKLM made the similar mistake going from memory

with Jake, and Slandaar

[emogirl123]

That's a direct response to this. His earlier post said he was going to vote for you, but there isn't enough momentum to switch the wagon from Ald to you.

[emogirl123]

vote jklm. trust me i know what i'm doing

[emogirl123]

Vote jklm now. Grey is flailing town .

[emogirl123]

VOTE: grey

[emogirl123]

i dun give a fuck

[emogirl123]

have fun getting lynched by pointless votes.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: grey, i woulda hammered here.

someone go vote him, go go go.

aside: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaHpM6GEwIg

[emogirl123]

also alduskkel, ur slippery as fuck. gonna day vig you tomorrow

[emogirl123]

dunno. i was on a phone sitting in the ground of a studio. wanted to catch scum without sheeping, but got waaay too lazy.

[emogirl123]

also, grey is rather annoying and i think he is scum.

[emogirl123]

hurry up and hammer already

[emogirl123]

He says JKLM is town, and I'm scum. I was defending him back there, and JKLM was the one who voted for him. I don't know what tactic he's trying to pull, but voting for slandaar, then hopkirk just doesn't do it for me. He votes my weak town read Hopkirk, defends my scum read, JKLM, as fully obvious town, and votes for a PR claim on Day 1. It's all too retarded of a play for a player of his abilities and I really don't think he deserves to survive for longer even as town. He also was placed at L-1 two times and still don't give a fuck.

[emogirl123]

You know how I know you and grey aren't PR? Because I know for sure you and grey aren't PR.

[emogirl123]

Any objections to a vig of JKLM?

[emogirl123]

My intent is still active

just hammer him already

[emogirl123]

[emogirl123]

he's obviously scum.

[emogirl123]

the dude we lynched

[emogirl123]

not me.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: username. i'm done for today. thanks.

[emogirl123]

get better reads

[emogirl123]

because you suck at this game if me and jklm are your top two reads.

[emogirl123]

UNVOTE:

[emogirl123]

so scum didn't really have the need to contribute.

you think the jklm would have made a difference?

[emogirl123]

This game isn't going to end well. Several players deserve to be policy lynched. Of those players, JKLM and Yiley are the better of choices. If scum isn't within those two players, we may be kinda probably fucked. Might be a reason for Jake/Slandaar's argument to be blown out of proportion. I like to assume players are healthy and rational. Saying Jake's response was genuine because it had "emotion" shouldn't be acceptable for any player with a hint of experience.

p.edit: the push near the end for me to get slandaar to vote jklm.

[emogirl123]

Now who is smart enough to decide on a kill for don_johnson? This kill is brilliant because if Slandaar is scum, he is very likely to kill don given their history. I think the only player smart enough to plant the night kill such that Slandaar would gain suspicion is username. Explaining my initial vote.

Also of the night kills, the only logical choices for the night were: Username, emogirl123, The-Duck, don_johnson, (and maybe Zeus, but he hasn't been a topic of discussion so could possibly lean towards more lurking).

From the process of elimination of my brain, we have username as scum.

[emogirl123]

Username sure as hell did more than don_johnson, and keep in mind that don hammered with "reading only 8 pages of the thread". It's very strange that he wasn't kept alive as lynch-bait, and why username is alive right now.

[emogirl123]

Don't know to be exact. I made that post recalling information from my memory. They played games with each other before, just like Slandaar with Jake. I'll be back with a better post eventually.

[emogirl123]

If neither of Jake/Slandaar is scum, it could have been possibly good to shoot one of them.

I disagree. Being scum, I would leave Slandaar/Jake pair alive to cause a distraction and possible mislynch situations for Day 2. Scum isn't very obligated to have Slandaar shot unless they worry that he is lying about being Odd instead of Even. This being said, Slandaar will either be shot tonight, or kept alive if there is someone else they think is PR, or possibly even Jake being shot for tonight. I highly doubt anyone would even consider touching Jake/Slandaar for a night kill for night 1, especially with the whole incident in the thread.

[emogirl123]

I just see his play as not being helpful at all to scum finding. I have a weak read pair of yiley and username. What do you think of Hopkirk. He is skating by dropping bad reads the whole game. How do we deal with these type of players?

[emogirl123]

VOTE: username

@slandaar. i sheeped you and killed grey, even though i wanted to do jklm. wanna sheep me here?

[emogirl123]

How about we lynch Jake after you get night killed/no night kills happen?

[emogirl123]

From where I stand, I would instant day-vig Username if I could. Hopkirk would be my vote if he doesn't pull his shit together soon. Yiley / JKLM is a coinflip for me as to who to vote for.

[emogirl123]

I'll post later. Haven't been sleeping regularly recently. Mainly because of process of elimination.

[emogirl123]

jake. reread thread. thoughts on username

[emogirl123]

posts defensively, all his posts on me are just him trying to deny my points rather than actually make points himself

I noticed this.

[emogirl123]

But escalating it to 10+ pages doesn't make your case stronger.

[emogirl123]

username: for aforementioned (yet kind of abstract) reasons
yiley: for being terribad and therefore scum
zeus: for being lurkscum (who no one is targetting). meaning that scum is throwing oil in the fire towards JKLM/falconV for an easy mislynch

hi guys

[emogirl123]

nope, i'm saying that you take everything too literally. (reference to grey)

[emogirl123]

why hasn't anyone called out my buddying with Slandaar yet? what game are you guys playing

[emogirl123]

hey peregrine. you are missing a few players who intended to join the wagon, but didn't.