Mini 1521: The Fall - Game Over

[Jake from State Farm]

/confirm

[Jake from State Farm]

Sup

[Jake from State Farm]

cmon at least be original.

Why did they chicken cross the road. To get to the evil mafia member's house

since we are doing jokes, who wants to play along?

knock knock

[Jake from State Farm]

The chicken

vote: hopkirk

this would have worked better if it was all on 1 page lol

[Jake from State Farm]

but to answer your question, I am not communist. If anything I see my self as more of a monarch and all should follow my lead. I think the best place to start would be sheeping me whenever possible.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm voting you cause you fell into my trap. Read my chicken joke again. Then read the knock knock joke.

[Jake from State Farm]

@The duck: What do you think about your own reasoning?

Slandaar is obviously just going to slandar (slander) me.

@Emo: What’s wrong with starting the game off, how would you like to do it? It seems what you’re saying is you’ll wait for someone to say something scummy then jump on them for it.

VOTE: Emogirl123

damn I was right about you? awesome. more votes on hop please. Attacking a person for not RVS'ing is like scumtell numero uno

[Jake from State Farm]

yeah that too

[Jake from State Farm]

1. I am not throwing suspicion on The-Duck, I will tell you that right now.
2. Jake is kind of useless right now relative to the amount of posting he's done.
3. Therefore I'm voting him.

I am handing you scum on a platter by page 3. I challenge you to find someone who has done MORE then me

[Jake from State Farm]

@Jake: Yet your vote lacks substantive/any reasoning.

that's not true at all.

[Jake from State Farm]

Then jake please show me where because I really dont see much/any reasoning.

post 53

[Jake from State Farm]

Ald not sure if you ever played with me but my post to content is never in line. I'm
Gonna post 300+ posts this game and less then half will contain useful info

[Jake from State Farm]

damn I was right about you? awesome. more votes on hop please. Attacking a person for not RVS'ing is like scumtell numero uno

Very strong case jake.

sometimes you don't need a case, sometimes you just need a gut feeling or you need to see someone do something and you think to yourself "Damn, there is no way a townie would say or do something like that"

his reaction to my joke was bad
him attacking a person who didn't want to rvs is bad

he deserves pressure which is what I am doing by voting him and by telling others to vote him.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ald not sure if you ever played with me but my post to content is never in line. I'm
Gonna post 300+ posts this game and less then half will contain useful info

1. Nope.
2. Why?

cause I just do. Usually it's because my job allows me to work and play at the same time and I make sure to stay active in my games while others half ass their way through it.

[Jake from State Farm]

Where am i trying to lead village then?

It's just a feel I get. You're already being extremely forceful in the RVS, your play resembles that of someone who likes to play by polarizing the game around them, me dislike.

being forcefull is more of a playstyle thing and not so much an alignment thing plus I don't really agree that HK is doing that, if anyone is doing that it's me and if you honestly felt it scummy your vote would be on me.

p.edit - I don't spam bullshit, I just multi-post a lot and most of my posts have something to do with the game. I just have this uncontrollable urge to respond to things I could probably just ignore.

[Jake from State Farm]

@Jake: “his reaction to my joke was bad
him attacking a person who didn't want to rvs is bad”
Saying who’s there in response to knock knock is bad? Take a good long+hard look at yourself man.
Attacking non-rvs person: I’ve explained this in 81/83

not the "who's there" it was your reaction after I voted you, slandaar explained it better. Instead of ignoring my vote which was just an elaborate way for me to rvs someone, you try to immediately do damage control. you looked nervous and nervous to me = scum

@Jake: Why is posting fluff for half your posts good? It makes isos harder/makes it harder to analyse you/helps you hide info from us.

it's not ALL fluff, imo most of my posts are relevant, unfortunately not everyone else agrees with me.

[Jake from State Farm]

try not to take things so literally

[Jake from State Farm]

@97: Says the person who is voting me for what he has said is pretty much that he's taking my jokes literally/87.

lol are we reading the same post cause 87 isn't saying anything of the sort

[Jake from State Farm]

87: "his reaction to my joke was bad"
Does my response to the chicken look really serious considering what i was saying in 15-17? Answer=no so stop trying to misrep me while accusing me of misreping you as you're the misreper.

i'm not misrepping you and imo yes your reaction looked serious, but that was only a minor part of my suspicion. Post 45 is the post that solidified it for me.

[Jake from State Farm]

1) He reacted poorly to the knock knock joke: It’s random vote stage justification. It’s exactly the same as if someone said “people who wear black hats are scum” where it isn’t true. But jake tries to “prove” that it is true and that’s the point it becomes scum-motivated.

so let's work some things out here.

Player A - To anyone, Who here has a black hat?
Player B - I have one
Player A - oh then you must be scum because people with black hats are scum. Vote Player B
Player B - well that's dumb because I am not scum

or

Player A - To anyone, Who here has a black hat?
Player B - I have one
Player A - oh then you must be scum because people with black hats are scum. Vote Player B
Player B - This is a fallacy as you are basing your conclusions with an argument that can only be there because of your conclusions. It's the same as saying "you are scum because you're scum". It's poor circular logic at best.


Which one sounds worse? to me the 2nd one sounds much worse then the first.

[Jake from State Farm]

the joke and vote was a reaction test, plain and simple. The reaction part was voting the first person(whoever it was) who fell for my trick.

the moment you started mention fallacies and circular logic means TO ME AKA IN MY OPINION, that you were nervous for something that you didn't need to be nervous for.

[Jake from State Farm]

Wtf is going on in here? Why are we letting hop off the hook smh

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm confused. What are we talking about regarding gray. I just iso'd him and am confused

[Jake from State Farm]

I'll get back into this tomorrow

Happy Thanksgiving

[Jake from State Farm]

Lol I got prodded. I'm doing thanksgiving all over again but at my house this time. Once family leaves ill catchup

[Jake from State Farm]

Heres my current reads:

Too town for any townlist: Slandaar

Town
EG
Yiley
Duck
Zeus

Townish
Username - although his posts read very manufactured.
Grey

Townishishish
Jake

That Leaves
Ald; meh, asking me why I am 'so town' was terrible.
Hopsy who is scumish; he is very wooden.
PV posted nothing but scumish for similar reasons to JKLM
Bolte who has done nothing. Literally.
JKLM who is scum.

Damn my 1 townread just did the most anti-town thing ever. List reads =bad

Guess I'm back to square one, except hop is still scum so I'm good with my vote where it's at.

[Jake from State Farm]

@ hop - 100% giving list reads is bad, not to mention it's the ultimate fluff post and probably the most anti-town thing a player can do. I've said it before and will say it again. Your vote on me for saying that is exactly what I'd expect from scum so no chance I'm changing off you now.

[Jake from State Farm]

Damn my 1 townread just did the most anti-town thing ever. List reads =bad

Guess I'm back to square one, except hop is still scum so I'm good with my vote where it's at.

We could argue about the merits of posting reads but lets not it is pointless. Instead lets talk about why you think me posting a list of reads is related to my alignment in such a strong way. Go.

Read the post right above the one I'm quoting

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok so accordion to you it's a null tell but I look at the act as anti-town and I can't town read someone doing something anti-town. So you will just be null to slightly scummy and I'll keep an eye on you. Mmkay?

[Jake from State Farm]

Lol phone fail.

[Jake from State Farm]

It's related because the act itself is scummy. You did it before as town? Congrats you have a meta of doing anti-town things as town not surprising cause everyone on this site seems to do anti-town things as town also.

I had a gut town read on you and now I don't. This just means you will have to prove yourself to me, which you haven't yet.

[Jake from State Farm]

mod, can we get a replacement for Peregeine? 5 days without posting definitely exceeds your rules on activity.

[Jake from State Farm]

wait, are you saying you only do list reads as town? cause if so you are violating site rules with regards to trust tells. So the fact that you do list reads can't be used to prove squat.

I also don't give a rats ass if you always do it as town, the act itself is scummy to ME and that's all that matters. If you want to be butt hurt that i don't think you are town anymore, that's your prerogative.

List reads are anti town because they are 1. An incredible waste of time which could be better spent scum hunting, 2. they don't show examples of scum hunting which you should be doing if you are town. 3. if you happen to be town they give scum more information and since they already have the advantage, it's incredibly stupid to give them more. 4. If you happen to be scum it gives the impression that you are town cause idiots townies ooh and ahh at people who do list reads and immediately assume they are town. (Lost a few games because of this very thing, I believe even one of the games on this account)

[Jake from State Farm]

and going through your games i just remember who you are. Yeah i'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game cause you're a punk

[Jake from State Farm]

no to mention I have just found a game where you did list reads as scum so you can't use the fact you did list reads as a town tell anymore.

[Jake from State Farm]

shocker

[Jake from State Farm]

@Jake: I don’t see how you are even trying to argue that giving a list of what you think everyone in the game is +why, is anti-town.

Doesn't an argument usually happen when 2 people have a difference in opinion? Slandaar has meta that supports him liking to make list reads. I have meta that supports that i don't like list reads. So anyone who uses lists immediately loses town cred with me, which is what happened with slandaar. he wants to get all mad and vote me i don't really give a shit.

t’s better for the town if we know what other people’s reads are- we can miss stuff and coordinate- you can’t honestly say that keeping reasons for reads/scum reads secret is good.

it's actually better for scum. Hand them a list of unified town reads so they know where they stand, so they know who people is scum (to leave alive and mislynch) and they know who people think are town (so they can take them out)

Scum already have the advantage, the momenet people start making lists and making certain people obv town, the moment those people start dying.

Thanks but No thanks.

It’s not a waste of time compared to your kind of “x is scum but I’m not saying why”

1. I disagree
2. I have already said why i think you are scum and I even added to it. Why the misrep?

Lists should contain why each of those reads are as they are so this point is just wrong.

and did slandaar's post do this? no so this actually proves my point. had he went in depth and explained each read maybe I let it slide, but he didn't. Thanks for proving me right on this one. I appreciate it.

So it’s okay for other members of the town not to know anything. The scum know who is scum already so sharing reads and reasons is benefiting the town, not the scum

The only way we know anything is to develop our own reads (not sheep others) and lynch who we think are scum. Scum knows who scum is, and they also know who town is. Scum win by manipulating town. What is the best way to do that? Kill all the obv town players and leave the lynch bait alive. Now what is the best way for this to happen? by us telling them who we think is town and who we think is scum. List reads help scum it doesn't help me. Slandaar's reads only help me when he dies and flips town, but even then I take them with a grain of salt cause he has no additional information. Just his own opinion, and my opinion > anyone else's opinion.

This is directly challenging the rest of what you’ve said.

no it doesn't

You even have the audacity to say that it stops scum hunting/wastes time when you yourself have done no effective shing…yeah

bullshit, cause I have caught scum already. In the mean time I am watching interactions and hopefully I will find your partners.

[Jake from State Farm]

So your opinion is that saying who you think is scum + why Is scummy…wow.

where are you getting this from? I never said nor even implied I thought this. In fact this is essentially what I am doing. I said who I think is scum and why.

The town being random chaos with nobody saying why they think anything or whom they think is scum helps the scum. Discussion of this is…most of the game. Are you saying playing mafia helps the scum.

Are you not reading my posts? Just cause I am against list reads doesn't mean I want people to stop looking for scum.

Not giving reasons for your reads helps promote mislynches.

I don't necessarily agree with this, but if YOU honestly believe this your issue should be with slandaar and not me, since I have given reasons for my read on you and slandaar has not given reasons for almost all of his reads... just saying. Also if we are being technical here, you are essentially guilty of this as well. You are voting me without giving reasons other then you disagree with my opinion about list reads.

Want to make a case against me

I already did. Post 87 and then I added 371. Voting me because I don't share your opinion. Want more? How about when my activity tapered off, so did yours. You could have taken advantage of that time to go on the agressive with someone you thought was scum but you didn't. None of that reads town to me.

Fully explained lists are the best ones (slandaar want to do this?). Normal lists can however provide a bit i.e. how are they worse than nothing

we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this list read thing. You aren't going to change my mind and it's clearly obvious I am not going to change yours.

People can miss scummy things. This is why I think people should make cases and explain votes as that gets people lynched. Town discussion of who is scum + why is a good thing/central to the whole thing.

I agree with this, whenever possible somebody should absolutely be able to make a case for their scum read, making a case on their scum read =/= making a list of reads. Notice Slandaar never made a case for jklm and he really hasn't made a case for me. His case on me is essentially "I'm mad that jake makes so much fucking sense right now that I need to discredit him somehow"

You haven’t found any scum bc you’ve been (lightly) saying a couple of random unsupported things about me, not even trying to get me lynched, and nothing else. Aka nothing of any value whatsoever. You have not been looking for scum.

going to cover this in another post. hang tight

[Jake from State Farm]

ok so this

You haven’t found any scum bc you’ve been (lightly) saying a couple of random unsupported things about me, not even trying to get me lynched, and nothing else. Aka nothing of any value whatsoever. You have not been looking for scum.

My case on you is essentially the following

his reaction to my joke was bad

I also added "Instead of ignoring my vote which was just an elaborate way for me to rvs someone, you try to immediately do damage control. you looked nervous and nervous to me = scum"

here is where this happend

his is a fallacy as you are basing your conclusions with an argument that can only be there because of your conclusions. It's the same as saying "you are scum because you're scum". It's poor circular logic at best.

him attacking a person who didn't want to rvs is bad

you do that here - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5483220

What emogirl did was essentially a reaction test that I have seen others do in the past, your reaction and attacking her for not RVS'ing is what I'd expect to come from scum looking for an easy target, emo made herself an easy target on purpose.

I added 371. Voting me because I don't share your opinion.

you do that here - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5494212

You don't give any reason at all for your vote except leaving it up to interpretation.

[Jake from State Farm]

oh and you say that I am not trying to get you lynched?

post 187 and 338 directly contradict that.

the time in between those 2 posts I wasn't really playing the game because of Thanksgiving.

[Jake from State Farm]

ok so I see the problem, you are misunderstanding what I said.

I never said making a list of scum reads is bad. I said making a list of reads that names every single player and puts them on the spectrum of town all the way to scum is bad AND a complete waste of time.

I dont give a rats ass who slandaar thinks is town, I don't care who he thinks is Townish or even Townishish. had he left all of those names out and just posted

That Leaves
Ald; meh, asking me why I am 'so town' was terrible.
Hopsy who is scumish; he is very wooden.
PV posted nothing but scumish for similar reasons to JKLM
Bolte who has done nothing. Literally.
JKLM who is scum.

with a little bit more explanation, we probably would not even be having this discussion. But the fact the felt the need to post this

Heres my current reads:

Too town for any townlist: Slandaar

Town
EG
Yiley
Duck
Zeus

Townish
Username - although his posts read very manufactured.
Grey

Townishishish
Jake

makes him not a town read of mine anymore.

[Jake from State Farm]

I on the other hand dislike your complete lack of doing any scum hunting and poor reasoning/opinions. Your opinions are scum motivated.

I already did my scum hunting and found who I believe to be scum so this is a blatant lie.

My reasonings/opinions are not poor and they certainly are not scum motivated, but of course you have to say that because if you said they were good that would confirm I am right about you.

[Jake from State Farm]

is your post 399 still valid given you misunderstood what I was talking about? if yes I will take a look at it, if not I won't waste anyone's time, especially mine

[Jake from State Farm]

Your case addressed:

ok try to clean this up.

his reaction to my joke was bad”

Seriously what kind of fool interprets what I was saying as serious when it’s said IN DIRECT RESPONSE to joke. Work on looking at context.

I guess I am the type of fool because

him attacking a person who didn't want to rvs is bad”:

I’ve fully explained it wasn’t just this but your case here seems to be because we disagree about emo’s position being scummy-which I think it is. Not a reaction test but a scummy play.

First things first

Attacking a person for not RVS'ing is like scumtell numero uno

Secondly, It was so obviously a reaction test even Stevie Wonder saw that shit.

I added 371. Voting me because I don't share your opinion.”

:
Consider the emo thing. THIS IS YOUR INTIRE CASE.

NOOOOO

My case is your bad reactions, you attacking an easy target and by doing so committed probably one of the most obvious scum tells in my opinion, and 3rdly voting me for not sharing your opinion, which is even more justified because you didn't even take the time to understand what I was saying. You proved it in your posts. You assumed I was saying one thing when in reality I was saying something else.


The rest I left out because I already responded to in post 402

[Jake from State Farm]

Rvs is trash. Not participating in it isn't alignment related just like participating in it isn't.

Did she make herself the hard target? No cause she was immediately called out for her comment. That is what a reaction test is IMO. Doing something that looks scummy to generate reactions and start discussion.

Much like my joke did.

Now later today or tomorrow when I get to my laptop, I'll re-read and look for your buddies but until you are lynched my motivation is kind of low

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok so it was an unintentional reaction test but it still was one. You saying she was avoiding rvs to keep from slipping up sounds like such horseshit. I'll check her other games to see if she truly hates rvs or if this was the first.

Secondly , did you just say I called her scummy? Cause that's not true. I don't believe I ever did then again it could be the way you respond to individual quotes, it's bordering atrocious and I find it near impossible to figure out what you are saying from my phone.

[Jake from State Farm]

Smh, I didn't think I really had to type the whole thing as I thought it was implied.

"doing something that looks scummy but team my isn't"
Not rvs'ing isn't scummy to me but someone making that statement would appear scummy. If anything that action was pro- town. I'll admit I'm kinda blind to her other posts but will read them in my re-read

[Jake from State Farm]

can the reverse be true? if hopkirk is scum then Yiley is scum? if so vote Hop with me

[Jake from State Farm]

if Yiley is not scum no loss.

I used to think like that, then scum manipulated that sentence into a L-1 for me.

Good thing I'm pretty good at playing SK.

explain the bolded please

[Jake from State Farm]

Don't fucking claim on until you are at L-1.

fixed your obviously inaccurate post

[Jake from State Farm]

I lol'd

[Jake from State Farm]

smart girl

[Jake from State Farm]

Slandaar, could you expand your read on Greygnarl for me?

Jake and Hopkirk, are there other scum in this game except for the other one?
the discussion between you two seems to come from a disparity in ideas of how to play the game, not a different alignment.

Of course there are other scum besides hopkirk. What a pointless question

[Jake from State Farm]

@slandar - if I thought it was alignment related my vote would be on you. Nice misrep

[Jake from State Farm]

What we have here is 1 guy who has a meta for posting town reads vs a guy who has a meta for not liking list reads ( I can easily link 3 or 4 games to prove this )

My not liking you cause you did list reads is just as much alignment related as it is for you liking to do them. It's not.

List reads to me are anti-town. I can't town read someone who does anti-town things on purpose. Your reaction to that is quite odd though. I've stopped letting you slide and now expect you to actually do work and you decide to vote me. That looks like you are scared to me. If you are town you should have no problem proving it.

P.edit - slandaar, you aren't a newb. Anti town and scummy do not automatically mean scum. The fact you are even suggesting that makes me question your alignment even more.

@ duck - once hop is lynched I will

[Jake from State Farm]

When I get to a PC, I'm scouring slandaar's posts in all his games. If I find at least 1 example where he says something similar to scummy doesn't equal scum we are power lynching him. There is no way a player who has been on site since 2011 would be tripped up by something that has literally been said dozens of times if not more.


I never disliked list reads? Bullshit. That's a boldface lie that can be proven.

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw NOW I'm calling you scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Faking ignorance. Typical scum behavior

[Jake from State Farm]

He did? That's not how I read it. But his "point" about me using something that's a null tell as a scumtell is a flat out lie.

[Jake from State Farm]

I like how you keep pretending your 'read' didn't change based on a non-issue ie a null-tell Jake. Especially liked the part where you say I am lying about you doing so.

I am not pretending anything, my read DID change on you and I have never denied that fact. My read changed because of the list read, i have not denied that. My read on you changed from Town to null/scummy as evident from my post and the fact that you quoted that post yourself.

The lie occurs when you say my read changed from town to scum read which has been proven not true. When someone says something that has been proven not true, that means it was either a mistake or a lie. I don't think you made a mistake because you repeated it despite being proven wrong, which makes it a lie.

Thanks for playing and proving that you are the liar and not me, you so not get any parting gifts.

Heres an actual flat out lie:

we are going to have to chalk this up to a difference of opinion, it certainly isn't a lie as I have seen town act scummy hundreds of times, I have even played scummy on purpose as town.

[Jake from State Farm]

but I am having fun here, Slandaar. I think we should be blood brothers. one of us dies today and the other tomorrow and a town flip means the other dies tomorrow. Sound good?

vote: slandaar

if we have a RB or something please block Hop tonight, obviously he is the PR and slandaar is protecting him by discrediting his main attacker. Your early distancing was quite clever i will give you that, but I think it's pretty obvious you two are partners.

[Jake from State Farm]

The lie is I never suggested that but good try.

let's go to the tape shall we?

Basically Jake has a problem with posting townreads and even though I have proven I do it all the time

he thinks its alignment related

@slandar -

if I thought it was alignment related my vote would be on you.

Nice misrep

Damn my 1 townread just did the most anti-town thing ever.

Ok so accordion to you it's a null tell but I look at the act as anti-town and I can't town read someone doing something anti-town. So you will just be

null to slightly scummy

and I'll keep an eye on you. Mmkay?

Goodbye Jake.

your post where you bold my "null to slightly scummy" and you then post "goodbye jake" is absolutely you suggesting that.

now we lynch you ok?

[Jake from State Farm]

Your case is that you think I said that your read on me is scum when it is null-scum?

You were the one operating on the assumption that you posting a reads list was alignment related.

It started here

Somehow though this is related to my alignment

???

again you infer that me finding it scummy somehow means it's alignment related

You are trying to suggest I am scummy for my theory which I clearly held before the game began before I had a pm which means it's completely irrelevant to my alignment.

here is where you actually come out and say it (note the bolded because I never called him scum, EVER. In fact the part after the bold actually reinforces what I have been trying to say. Scummy =/= scum yet somehow he isn't getting it.)

but he obviously isn't actually trying to read people and is just taking the easy path of

'anti town is scum'

when the two are completely different things.

again you say/imply that I think your list reads is alignment related

Basically Jake has a problem with posting townreads and even though I have proven I do it all the time he thinks its alignment related

again he says I am using a nulltell as a scumtell (which again is a lie)

the point was always Jake is using something which is null as a scumtell.

I NEVER called him scum, I NEVER said him giving list reads was alignment related.

I DID say that giving list reads was anti-town and because of that he isn't obvious town to me anymore.

I DID say that he is null to slightly scummy

I DID say that scummy does not equal Scum.


He is trying to imply that I am calling him scum for posting a list read and

[Jake from State Farm]

If you change a read based on X you must think X is alignment related. Common Sense.

if my read went from town to scum, you would be 100%correct. But that didn't happen here. Nice try

[Jake from State Farm]

not really.

[Jake from State Farm]

@ ald

he is scum because he has flat out lied and has misrepped me over and over again. He has tried to say that my read on him changed from town to scum because he posted that list read. That's not true. My read went from town to null.

He also said in one of his posts that anti-town and scum are 2 different things, yet when I say the exact same thing he acts like it's not true.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yup.

Changing read from town-null based on me posting a read list means you think the read list is alignment related.

You are already dead.

no it just means that now I have doubts and I have to ignore my gut read and instead use your posts to help me decide.

Null means unsure of alignment. That 1 post was bad enough to make me doubt you, and despite you arguing that it's a nulltell, list reads are not null, not to me anyways.

[Jake from State Farm]

well yes of course. Why else would he lie and say that I thought he was scum for posting the list read, when anyone who reads my post again can clearly see i was not calling him scum. he's voting me based off a lie/misrep.

The only other part of his case that I remember was something about my activity, I can't defend myself against that because my activity was down during the holidays and I have already admitted to that and explained why it was down. Anyone who knows me knows I don't lurk and I actually despise it, especially as a scum strategy.

[Jake from State Farm]

and despite you arguing that it's a nulltell, list reads are not null, not to me anyways.

lol.

So, wait, it must be alignment related then?

it's not that black and white. there is a ton of gray area which is why I was unsure if you were town anymore but wasn't sold on you being scum either.

[Jake from State Farm]

But scummy doesn't mean scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

I NEVER said him giving list reads was alignment related.

I DID say that giving list reads was anti-town and because of that he isn't obvious town to me anymore.

jesus christ jake

if it changed him from being obvious town to being not obvious town then it must be alignment related

TOWN IS AN ALIGNMENT TOO YOU DOPE

Jesus Christ iamusername. If it was alignment related it would mean he's scum confirmed based off that 1 post.

1 post does not determine alignment. So I dropped my gut read and put him back into my unknown pile.

[Jake from State Farm]

Scummy is what i have in between neutral and scum when used as an alignment in a list like that.

Does scummy mean he's guaranteed to be scum?

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't get why it's weird but I also don't want to waste multiple pages on it. If dropping a town read back to null because that person
Did or said something scummy is weird, then I guess I'm weird

[Jake from State Farm]

Those aren't good reasons to lynch someone. Did slandaar ever make a case for him? I don't recall seeing one.

[Jake from State Farm]

ok so 216.

His 1st post was terrible - his first post was an RVS and the fact that he didn't comment about anything is insignificant.
His 2nd post was a lie - I can probably find a townie in every single game I have ever played with do something very similar, it's an annoyance and he would actually probably fits into my day 1 lynch plan if I hadn't already found scum.

post 242 - attacking him again for saying he was going to catch up and didn't.

That's his entire case?

[Jake from State Farm]

If I didn't already have a strong scum read on Hop and now Slandaar I could probably go along with a JKLM policy lynch. That is basically what Slandaar was pushing, a lynch all liars policy lynch.


p.edit - fair enough.

why do YOU want to lynch him. What post is your case?

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh really? Well that might be convenient then. I reckon you're town^

Yeah I can't blame anyone for voting for me, I've completely abused this games existence.

Can you please replace out. I now see why everyone wants you gone.

P.edit - cause read my wiki. Quote #2 sums up why I would lynch him.

Though getting a replacement will be better. If he doesn't do it I'll ask the mod to force replace him

[Jake from State Farm]

No, he's scum, we just lynch him and be done with it. Replacements suck.

why do replacements suck? replacements would get us a better way to read the slot and determine if he is scum or town.

Plus we have at least 3 people who fall into the useless category and 2 of those people have promised to catch up and lied about doing so. Do you think all 3 are scum? Do you think just the 2 liars are scum?

@ slandaar - Peregine has now done the exact same thing that JKLM did with regards to lying about catching up. Thoughts?


Personally I'd much rather lynch somebody I think is scum.

p.edit - as the personal crusader to end lurking on mafiascum, I have determined it is a lost cause as both town and scum lurk equally. I don't know if it's town lurking or scum lurking cause I honestly can't tell the difference.

Can you? How do you decide if it's town lurking or scum lurking? How does anyone?

we have 3 lurkers. Is that our scum team? JKLM/Peregine/Bolte?

doubtful

[Jake from State Farm]

because someone posts too much they are excused from reading/participating? sounds like an excuse to be lazy

[Jake from State Farm]

@ hop - I also said don't take things literally. Sure some people will say some of my posts are useless in this game but to me most if not all of them have been completely relevant

@ ald - I guess I see your point, but I still think hop/slan are scummier, especially now that hop just suddenly thinks jklm is scummy.

[Jake from State Farm]

some people are voting some people
others are voting others
couple of idiots are fighting over the definition of scummy and debating the value of list reads

that's about it.

p.edit - your recap is better I think

[Jake from State Farm]

Hmm?

There's no reads. Like who you think is scum and who you think is town.

That's cause those are bad. Plus why would you want to be biased by others. Read the thread, decide for yourself. Often know as "play the game"

[Jake from State Farm]

lol I hope not

[Jake from State Farm]

Hop/slandaar are scum

I am obv town

[Jake from State Farm]

I have a few prob towns. 2 are pretty obvious if you read.

[Jake from State Farm]

Although Hopkirk is ignorant and a terrible player, I am unfortunately forced to say that he is obv town and what a waste of a town player slot. Jake, now that Hopkirk is obv. town, does that make a difference in what you think?

In what way has he been confirmed town?

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake, why did you initially townread slaander? EG why is Hopirk town, especially when he's disagreed with pretty much all of your reads except for Ald being scum?

It was gut off his post calling out hop for circular logic/fallacy stuff

[Jake from State Farm]

jklm/ald scumteam

You think ald is bussing?

[Jake from State Farm]

didn't you say earlier never claim day 1 and now you don't even want to give him the opportunity to claim?

[Jake from State Farm]

But it's nice to know that you say JKLM is bussing you..

you should work on your reading comprehension because that isn't what ald is saying at all...

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake and Slandaar, can you two also weigh in on the current lynch options?

I prefer slandaar over both of these 2 so I will keep my vote where it is. Though I wouldn't stop a gray wagon from happening

[Jake from State Farm]

no I want slandaar and hop lynched.

[Jake from State Farm]

I love how Ald assumes that I'm scum purely to argue his way of it being impossible for him to be scum since he hates bussing. Him doing something like that is indicative that he isn't scum. Why? I'm town. If he was REALLY scum, he would know that. The fact that his defense relies on me being scum would result in his lynch tomorrow if I were to be lynched. In other words, if he was scum, he would have never said that as scum so he doesn't screw himself over when I flip.

Yay for logic! Although everyone that thinks I'm scum won't beleive me but whatever.

meant to say this earlier but got busy, this post is full of fail that you should probably just quit while you are behind.

[Jake from State Farm]

he didn't, more misrepping/lying by slandaar

[Jake from State Farm]

I can post the quotes that prove slandaar is lying or we can just save me the trouble and everyone pile on slandaar now.

[Jake from State Farm]

everybody's voting for you because you suck, hth

Oh really? Well that might be convenient then. I reckon you're town^

Yeah I can't blame anyone for voting for me, I've completely abused this games existence.

He calls I am username town.

Below is his very next post, no where does he call ald town before this post and he doesn't call him town in this post, he votes ald.

1. Still waiting for vote count, I'm refusing to do anything until one, you can policy lynch me for that and I would understand.

That's about it. I will never give reads until Atleast day 3. I don't like to make scums job easy.

I'm town and nothing else, I don't mind sitting as live scum bait so I've simply decided to see how things play out

VOTE: ald

Because I'm lazy and don't care, I don't even remember signing up for this game, you can policy lynch me tomorrow if you want, but town deserves better than a pointless lynch

and below is his next post and he votes Grey and calls ald town.

I love how Ald assumes that I'm scum purely to argue his way of it being impossible for him to be scum since he hates bussing. Him doing something like that is indicative that he isn't scum. Why? I'm town. If he was REALLY scum, he would know that. The fact that his defense relies on me being scum would result in his lynch tomorrow if I were to be lynched. In other words, if he was scum, he would have never said that as scum so he doesn't screw himself over when I flip.

Yay for logic! Although everyone that thinks I'm scum won't beleive me but whatever.

Thanks grey for the vote count, now I can get things off the ground...

Oh look I found scum!
557

VOTE: Grey

Please drop the garbage and vote him. Ald is town. Grey isn't. Just read his ISO, it wreaks.

See, jklm never called ald town BEFORE he voted ald thus slandaar just lied.

[Jake from State Farm]

oops, nice way to play it off though, that totally looks believable.

I may be a scumbag but my role pm says I am town.

[Jake from State Farm]

oh cmon slandaar

are you really saying that a player promising to catch up but not is on the same level as what you just did? gtfoh

[Jake from State Farm]

@both of you: read the cases on Ald and Grey and formulate your opinions on those two please.

no and don't tell me what to do anymore please.

thank you

[Jake from State Farm]

yeah and the lying about catching up is a null tell and lying to paint a person as scummy is a scumtell.

would you like me to make you a list of all the townies I have seen do this? cause Ii can. promising to catchup and not is not a scumtell.

[Jake from State Farm]

oh very nice deflection you just did there, you avoided a direct question and instead pointed to something that has already been answered.


but yes I already explained it, I also said doing stuff that is anti-town and scummy doesn't automatically = scum. It's funny because you said almost the exact same thing already this game. I even quoted it and pointed out to someone (can't remember who) who asked for it.

so if YOU say anti town doesn't equal scum and I say essentially the same thing, yet you want to paint me as some sort of liar, doesn't that just make you look bad? yes, yes it does.

so the real question is why are YOU not dead yet?

[Jake from State Farm]

Because other people have done scummy things including yourself. And did you just bring up him lying after you lied? Lawl.

and I didn't even lie

[Jake from State Farm]

I have never lied, if you want to twist you not understanding me as a lie, that just proves you are scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Spoiler:

Bert says he is going to catch up, his next post comes the next day and he still hadn't catch up. Game was abandoned but he was town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5403608
Aeronaut, same game. was town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5366312
Darthe, same game. Said would be responding to posts "today" doesn't post until the next day and again promises to catch up - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5377518
AA9 does it - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5381434
Dr.Cirno - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5015572

I can probably find more but that is more than enough to show that town are just as likely to do that as scum. If you really want 20 town examples from you, you need to provide 20 examples of scum doing it first.

[Jake from State Farm]

I didn't even link the one from the game notsci and I just played where a townie said he was catching up and then never returned to the game again cause I am sure you would find some way to disqualify that one.

[Jake from State Farm]

He's slippery. I mean he's done so many bad things already and he has no suspicion what so ever. You think you can lead a lynch on him tomorrow? I can't even lead one on him today. Plus I don't sheep which means i have to go look through his ISO which I really don't feel like doing after all the energy I have already used up.

[Jake from State Farm]

The ratio is like 3.3:1 to be null

making up numbers now?

[Jake from State Farm]

The ratio is like 3.3:1 to be null

making up numbers now?

if 1 scum does it for every town then its a scumtell because town numbers outweigh scum so nope not made up numbers thanks.

well can you provide me a link to the official documentation for this? cause it looks like you just pulled shit out your arse.

no link then your post is invalid

[Jake from State Farm]

so we will just agree to disagree again, I don't get too caught up on numbers, but if I see town do something a bunch of times it's null. There is no mathematical right answer

[Jake from State Farm]

not bad news to me, I love watching you make a fool out of yourself, and all of this has been discussed by both of us so why you are bring it back up again is beyond me.

oh I remember now, I caught you in a lie and you are trying to cover your tracks.

That's ok I will just go back to ignoring you and quoting your lie until people either lynch you or I annoy them so much they lynch me.

hey everyone slandaar told a boldface lie in an attempt to discredit another player, below is the lie and I have already proved it was. If you want a link to where I did this before slandaar burries it with his smear campaign, please let me know and I will gladly post it.

JKLM calls Ald town then in his next post votes him for no actual reason then hes back to 'Ald is town'

[Jake from State Farm]

Says he thinks its scummy again therefore it must be related to alignment.

orly?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4489528

oooh look, here is me as town saying that scummy doesn't mean scum.


guess you got to go back to the drawing board huh?

[Jake from State Farm]

so in a nutshell your entire case is you misunderstanding me

[Jake from State Farm]

it just means bad or anti-town, and cause you will probably ask, anti-town means doing something that I feel is not helpful to the town. Making a list read is something that fits that criteria for the reasons I have already given.

[Jake from State Farm]

And there you go again. I'm not saying it's a scumtell.

[Jake from State Farm]

And yes I use anti-town and scummy interchangeably. Imagine that.

[Jake from State Farm]

this game is draining me, at this point I have left enough information that people are going to see what I see or they don't. I am taking a 2 or 3 day break from this game.

[Jake from State Farm]

Hi, miss me?

Now, I ask how it is related he says IT IS RELATED BECAUSE which means he is agreeing it is related. If he thought it wasn't the answer to my question is: it isn't. Pretty simple.

ok here i'll concede that my wording may have been off but it's fairly obvious what I have been trying to say. Doing a list read doesn't confirm your alignment as scum but it does make me doubt you are town. That is all I have been trying to say this entire time. Congrats on arguing with me over semantics.

Slandaar, you're right in a strict sense, but I fail to see how it's scummy. Looks like town contradiction to me.

He is/was using a nulltell as a scumtell which he knows is a nulltell.

How is this not scummy exactly?

Instead of trying to act like you know how I feel about list reads, maybe you should take the time to go through my games and find out. But cause i am feeling nice i decided to save you the trouble. Here is my stance on list reads.

Spoiler:

List reads are also a ploy I have actually seen used by scum to make people think they are town, cause for some dumb reason people think that if you take the time to do a list of reads, you have to be town.

so I hate them

Btw, people need to stop making lists of reads. Lists are the worst thing you can do as town IMO

from http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4651688

and the follow up

It's also good way for scum to know who to keep alive, it's also something scum can do to make them look pro-town cause people for some reason think people who do those lists are usually town. It's busy work and doesn't help anyone but scum.

from - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4652270

Here is where I say I don't do list reads - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4678739

here is a good one

The next person who gives a entire list of reads I'm actually going to policy lynch. Stop doing them they suck and are worthless

- http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4752886

I'm not going to give my reads on everyone cause I don't do list reads. They are a waste of time and only benefit scum.

Also it was Vanger Mafia where Klick was scum and did a list read and gained so much town cred for it he lasted til end game and won, even one of the guys post game said something of the fact - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4647483

So yeah, List reads suck and they are anti-town and they make scum get town reads when they shouldn't.

so as you can see they are not a nulltell to me. They are scummy or anti-town.

Uh it is fake scumhunting.

This is actually false

Do you think Jake genuinely believes his 'case' on me? It is completely fake. Do you even know what it is?

Do you even know what my case is? because i don't think you do.

He has misrepresented me multiple times and lied.

I have never lied and I don't believe I have misrepped you, though it's possible I have.

[Jake from State Farm]

ok here i'll concede that my wording may have been off but it's fairly obvious what I have been trying to say. Doing a list read doesn't confirm your alignment as scum

Didn't say it does or you said it does or... what has this got to do with anything?

but it does make me doubt you are town.

Therefore is being used as something other than null.

Instead of trying to act like you know how I feel about list reads, maybe you should take the time to go through my games and find out.

so as you can see they are not a nulltell to me. They are scummy or anti-town.

you are just trolling at this point.

1. this is what you and I have been going back and forth on for most of the game, and you even specifically brought this up in post 688

2. well duh that is what i have been saying all along.

3. it means something that a player would not or should not do if they were town, and since they have done it they can no longer be considered town by me.

4.

5. because I am voting you and what you have done is far worse imo

[Jake from State Farm]

@ don - recap is basically Slandaar and I have going back and forth because we have a difference of opinion about list reads. Slandaar posted one and i dropped my town read on him because I feel they are anti-town. he disagrees and feels they are null and he went out of his way to prove to me that he does them as town, even though that didn't really matter. He also lied and said JKLM called Ald town before voting for Ald but I proved that was not true to which he just chalked it off as a mistake.

Slandaar also lied to paint jklm as scummy. JKLM sort of lied also but personally it just looks like he confused the 2 of us and wasn't malicious like slandaar's lie was.

I also accused him of lying other times but those could have just been misunderstandings and not actual lies.

jklm/grey/ald all are under suspicion also for various reasons of which I am not too sure why because I am focused on slandaar

I think that sums it up.

[Jake from State Farm]

Hey Ald, Ever see the movie beetlejuice?

[Jake from State Farm]

I also want to know what tight spot yiley squeezed out of. Saying that and now saying it doesn't matter doesn't sit well with me.

[Jake from State Farm]

I have seen the movie Beetlejuice (good movie) but it has been quite a while, and I don't recall syndromes.

And yeah, I agree, Slandaar's coyness about his Yiley questioning seems scummy. Yiley-Slandaar team, maybe?

When you say someone's name and they suddenly show up

[Jake from State Farm]

I have to say, I am very worried by jakes complete disinterest in the most propable lynches.
He never comments on the cases on either of them.
Neither do I think the case on slandaar is good at all;
The first part is a discussion on mafia theory (just as with hopkirk) the second part is well.. true in the sense that JKLM didn't call Ald town before the vote. However, I don't think scum would make such easily verifiable lies.
So all in all, everything jake has done is spamming up the thread, not commenting on anything relevant and does nothing to get others to vote with him.

the part about not trying to get people to vote slandaar with me isn't true, post 626 and 657 I believe.

As for not commenting on the cases for either, nobody has made a compelling case for either. You say you don't like my case but I can't even recall seeing a case for Ald or for grey.

If I have missed a very valid reason why either is scum, please link it but nothing I have seen mentioned has convinced me that my reads are wrong and that i should be voting one of them. Ald is actually a slight town read for me so I certainly wouldn't be voting him.


I still prefer Slandaar or hop, I will add Perenguine into the mix cause I don't like his lurking.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jklm is only prob scum if you are town. Since you are prob scum , that clears jklm.

Not sure if I have any strong town reads. Jklm obviously be default, certainly not cause of content. Ald is a slight town read. The rest are null

[Jake from State Farm]

so now you are going to rehash old arguments?

I am not using listreads as a scumtell because scumtells are things that only scum do and since i called you NULL to slightly scummy instead of SCUM, I obviously did not use it as a scumtell

i also showed that your opinion of list reads completely differs from my opinion of list reads. What is null to 1 person isn't null to another.

You do understand that 2 different people can have different opinions on things right?

p.edit

no i didn't lie, my reads changed. There is more than 200 posts and 3 Rl days between 534 and 750, of course they didn't magically change. They changed over time.

but yet again you show why you are scum because of instead of asking me if my reads changed or why they changed, you immediately jump to the "he is obviously lying" theory.

Please can we lynch slandaar now, none of his posts show any town intent.

for the record my 2 earlier town reads were emogirl and ald, I have dropped emo back to null cause of her wishywashness surrounding gray's wagon.

p.edit - thanks yiley.

p.edit x 2 - how about you fucking ask me to explain them instead of just assuming i lied? you know that would be the townie thing to do.

Hey Jake, why did you reads change? is that too hard to ask? no accusing me of lying is much easier right?

GTFOH

can we

PLEASE LYNCH THIS ASSHOLE ALREADY

[Jake from State Farm]

It is also worth saying; Jake has had his exact same suspicions for 30 pages and however long I have been respectively so, Yiley, DO 'suspicions' change?

why are you lying again?

[Jake from State Farm]

actually my Hopsy read has lasted for 28 pages
my scum read on you has lasted 12 pages

You are also forgetting that my read on you went from town to null and then to scum. I also had my read change on emo girl.

but nice misrep by you.

[Jake from State Farm]

hey hopkirk the next time you post can you tell me when exactly your read changed on grey

thanks

p.edit - no i was refering to the part where you said suspicions which implies plural. If you held a suspicion for 30 pages I probably would have just ignored it.

the more you post the better you make me look so please keep on posting so I can school you some more.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm always down for a good ol 1 v 1

[Jake from State Farm]

you get lynched today, if you flip town then the rest can lynch me tomorrow.

[Jake from State Farm]

I won't ever self vote but town can lynch me, i won't stop them.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh you misunderstand

I prove I am town and you get hung today. Agree? You will vote yourself.

btw i still want to know what hot spot yiley was in cause I don't remember ever seeing one. you have had 2 people ask you so not sure why you are not answering.

[Jake from State Farm]

I have no objections.

[Jake from State Farm]

Even night tracker.

Odd night PR can confirm me and there will be one.

VOTE: Grey

The funny thing is Jake after all the walls about read lists being terrible has in fact posted his reads. If I have to lynch through the idiots to get scum lynched then that is what we will do.

Smh another VI if you're telling the truth.

unvote

[Jake from State Farm]

Whether I believe him or not, I never vote a claimed pr on day 1. Just a policy I have

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh you misunderstand

I prove I am town and you get hung today. Agree? You will vote yourself.

btw i still want to know what hot spot yiley was in cause I don't remember ever seeing one. you have had 2 people ask you so not sure why you are not answering.

You still need to answer this slandaar

[Jake from State Farm]

You still need to answer this slandaar

Answer my question to Ald.

What question?

[Jake from State Farm]

If it didn't matter why bring it up in the first place? You thought it was relevant so I want to know what you were referring to. Goes to your already shaky credibility.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah he probably is but not today unfortunately.

Btw I have seen odd night/ even night with separate alignments so slandaar's proof isn't really proof. But we don't do mafia's work for them in case he's telling the truth.

[Jake from State Farm]

You still harping on all that shit? I've already explained it all. I'm not wasting my time again if you can't read and comprehend that's on you.

[Jake from State Farm]

Why don't you get the quote considering the number of times you have suggested I lied of misrepped based on it.

Simple request, no?

Every time you have suggested I am using it as an alignment indicator. Which is probably at least 4 or 5 times. Do I really need to quote every time you have suggested the fact ? If you really want me to quote each time you have suggested I'm using it as an alignment indicator it's going to have to wait til I get to a PC.

But here's the very first one. Now I'll wait for you flail about it

My theory is read lists=good. As town I follow my theory and post read lists because they are good as scum I do it too because I do it as town.

Somehow though this is related to my alignment

???

[Jake from State Farm]

Good job your entire case was misunderstanding me.

I never said alignment indicator = scum. Misrepping me the entire time in other words.

Alignment indicator does mean scum. I even said that if I was using it as an alignment indicator I would have voted you.

I said what you did was scummy and for that I have my doubts on you.

God you are horrible at this game.

[Jake from State Farm]

I assume you have the requested meta?

I mean read lists are posted nearly every game so you should have an example.

I've provided more than enough already.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok but showing I think it's anti-town is all I am required to do. Every game is different. My read on you was based on 1 post. Im almost positive every other game probably had more going on.

I'm not wasting hours of time re-reading every single game trying to find every example of someone posting a list read and trying to remember if my read changed. I'm especially not doing it for the idiot who if he's telling the truth just exposed 2 power roles over 1 person scum reading him.

You are a liability and what you have done has earned a second spot on my wall of shame.

So go fuck yourself and don't talk to me again ever

[Jake from State Farm]

Good job your entire case was misunderstanding me.

I never said alignment indicator = scum. Misrepping me the entire time in other words.

Alignment indicator does mean scum. I even said that if I was using it as an alignment indicator I would have voted you.

No it doesn't.

Your whole case relies on it so I understand the reluctance to accept it.

I never said alignment indicator=scum. In MY posts I use MY definition of the term not whatever yours is. This is common sense.

What are you arguing this for Jake?

This is my last response to you and I'm literally done.


Null means unsure of alignment. You went to null. Thus I didn't use that to determine your alignment.

You are an idiot fuck off and die

[Jake from State Farm]

How much time is left? Do I have time to re-read? I have no clue who I want to lynch now slandaar is off the table.

[Jake from State Farm]

I can't believe I got suckered into an argument cause somebody doesn't know what null means.

mod , if you want to replace me that's ok. I deserve it but if not I'll control myself. Apologies to everyone including slandaar for my attitude

Slandaar the fact that you have been arguing with me cause you somehow think null = alignment indicator is just dumb. I'm not going to interact with you anymore on this subject cause it's harmful to the game and ruining it for others. If you think I'm scum get people to lynch me, but please have something better than a misunderstanding. You have basically outed 2 PRs cause you and I have different opinions of things. That's not playing smart. Asking for the other pr to confirm you REALLY wasn't smart if you were town.

Idk what to do at this point but I'm not arguing with you anymore.

Have a good day and I'll try to read up soon and develop new reads

[Jake from State Farm]

13) Once you die, you're dead. You are allowed one "bah!" post, but no more than one, and it must contain no game related content.

Pretty sure twilight doesn't count.

[Jake from State Farm]

:crickets:

[Jake from State Farm]

@duck , do you really think I didn't do enough to try and convince people why my scumread was better than grey?

[Jake from State Farm]

I never posted an entire town list.

Going to just ignore slandaar's lies as I have been warned and don't really want to be mod killed.


I'll be rereading sometime soon

[Jake from State Farm]

I never posted an entire town list.

Going to just ignore slandaar's lies as I have been warned and don't really want to be mod killed.


I'll be rereading sometime soon

Oh wait are you referring to when I was asked point blank who my 2 town reads were ? Seriously dude ?

Being asked for my 2 reads =/= giving a list read of the entire player list.

[Jake from State Farm]

I said ALL and you said you had 2.

You lied or you are lying now.

GOOD BYE SCUMBAG.

what is this? i don't even know what you are talking about.

[Jake from State Farm]

Above: Jake listing ALL of his townreads

yeah because you asked me who my town reads were. Imagine that I responded to a direct question. That isn't the same as what you did.

[Jake from State Farm]

Please ignore me while I lynch you and stop replying, thank you for your cooperation. Or did you lie about that also?

i'm not ignoring you, I am going back and making sure that I was responding to a direct question before I responded, and guess what? I was responding to a direct question.

Was that your intention the entire time? Ask me who my town reads were so you could use that as a point against me like you are doing now? it's not going to work.

[Jake from State Farm]

Who are your townreads Jake and why?

Jklm is only prob scum if you are town. Since you are prob scum , that clears jklm.

Not sure if I have any strong town reads. Jklm obviously be default, certainly not cause of content. Ald is a slight town read. The rest are null

ooh I guess you will have to go back to the drawing board won't you slandaar?

[Jake from State Farm]

Who are your townreads Jake and why?

Jake saying this is not the same as giving a read list.

Well it is because all of his points against read lists are that the posting of townreads is bad go and look at the reasons he states; after all you have to post scumreads.

Was that your intention the entire time? Ask me who my town reads were so you could use that as a point against me like you are doing now?

OMG that WAS your intention the entire time. You actually asked me to say who my town reads were so you could point to it later and paint me as scum.







Damn you are tricky scum but now everyone should see what you did is 100% scum motivated.

Vote: slandaar

[Jake from State Farm]

I haven't posted content?

But seriously, why is it every time I point out something that shows you are scum you deflect attention to something insignificant?

[Jake from State Farm]

I like how it is now proven you have time to post

Also where is this coming from? I never once said I didn't have time to post.

[Jake from State Farm]

My goal was to reread and ignore you. Then you started attacking me for responding to your question knowing it was a trap the entire time.

Now I'm scum cause I'm not replacing out?

Lol

[Jake from State Farm]

jake. reread thread. thoughts on username

I'll get to that today/tomorrow at the latest.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake only posts defensively, all his posts on me are just him trying to deny my points rather than actually make points himself.

while I will concede that a majority of my time was defending myself from your points against me, the defense I was doing actually proved that you were lying and misrepping me which points to scum behavior.

I also pointed out that your case on jklm was bad and even explained that lying about promising to catch up but failing to deliver was actually null. You immediately dismissed that point though because of some backwards math.

And I know you did not just question my activity because with the exception of the time around thanksgiving my activity has been constant and I was attacking Hop early on and pretty sure after you voted me I still kept my attack on hopkirk.

[Jake from State Farm]

as I said before, promising to catch up and failing to deliver =/= the same thing as saying a person said something they didn't say.

so yes there is a double standard. Not following through on catching up = laziness. Saying a person said something, or implying a person said something they didn't say = scum intent.

[Jake from State Farm]

JKLM did that too when he voted you.

Funny.

you are right, 2 people lying how will I ever decide who to vote first?

I stuck with the person I felt was more malicious.

[Jake from State Farm]

greygnarl is scum.
greygnarl is scum.
greygnarl is scum.
greygnarl is scum.
greygnarl is scum.

well, i'm convinced

UNVOTE: Alduskkel
VOTE: greygnarl

But seriously. Why did you drop your scum read on ald and instead sheep him ?

[Jake from State Farm]

Sorry, no time at work today, will have to try later from home.

vote Peregrine

Way too many prod dodges

[Jake from State Farm]

I'd actually like to know who slandaar's other scum reads are and why.

Obviously i'm number 1 but who else.

I haven't gotten a chance to re-read, I got a new laptop yesterday and have been setting it up and copying data from my old one. I shall get to it tonight or maybe later today if work slows down.

[Jake from State Farm]

Hey son of Zeus what are your current reads.

I want to scumread emogirl for all of her inconsistent reads, but all of them to me have looked like genuine scumhunting. I have no idea why jake/iamausername are pushing peregrine to vote and not bolte, since both of those users have lacked content. I want to hear how slandaar responds to me, but for now, I think Jklm is the best person to have my vote sit on. VOTE: JKLM All of his reads so far have really lacked any basis to me, and I really haven't found one good post of his that I like.

1st I am not pushing peregrine to vote, I'm pushing to contribute since he has had more prod dodges then actual content

2nd Bolte was replaced with don who is now dead but glad to see you are paying attention.

[Jake from State Farm]

Guess I was kind of expecting you not to answer me

[Jake from State Farm]

there is a huge difference. Saying who your top 3 scum list is doesn't tell them who your obv town people are and it doesn't tell them who else you think is scummy in the off chance your reads are wrong.

If mafia know who to keep alive and who to kill, it's very easy to manipulate town into lynching the scummy players.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake you argue too much.

Yes, yes I do

But isn't that part of the game? I always thought so

[Jake from State Farm]

Umm slandaar. Way to half answer my question and turn it into your idea.

I asked for your top 3 and why. So until I get a why on all 3, I ain't answering jack

[Jake from State Farm]

I'd actually like to know who slandaar's other scum reads are and why.

Obviously i'm number 1 but who else.

See? Now get to answering

[Jake from State Farm]

I guess we are at another standoff.

[Jake from State Farm]

I hadn't even noticed but if you have been I probably know why

[Jake from State Farm]

Mod, I know this is kind of late but the vinal day 1 vote count shows me voting jklm and I never voted him

[Jake from State Farm]

*final*

[Jake from State Farm]

so I see slandaar is still stalling so fine I will be the bigger person

top 3

slandaar/hop/peregine

[Jake from State Farm]

Nope

[Jake from State Farm]

Cause you won't answer my question.

[Jake from State Farm]

it has nothing to do with primary school, it has everything to do with respect. If you can't give me the proper respect I deserve and answer my question, I can't give you the proper respect and answer yours.

Good day sir.

[Jake from State Farm]

Mod, starting December 22nd through December 26th I will be V/LA

[Jake from State Farm]

every player deserves equal amount of respect, I got out of line earlier and apologized but every player absolutely deserves the respect of having their questions answered.

If you can't give me the common courtesy of answering a simple question then I suggest you should please replace out. Until then I won't be answering any more of your questions and my vote will stay on you until the end of the game.

Have a good day sir.

[Jake from State Farm]

unfortunately it doesn't work like that. You have a problem with me you have 2 options.

1. convince people to lynch me which you have failed miserably at doing.

2. replace out yourself.

What I find funny though is in the game that I modded you took offense to players requesting your scum buddy being force replaced, you whined about it and replaced out yourself, yet here you are trying to have me replaced.

I'm sorry but I am not going anywhere and I certainly won't be bullied out.

[Jake from State Farm]

fuck off and die

mod , if you want to replace me that's ok. I deserve it but if not I'll control myself. Apologies to everyone including slandaar for my attitude

I have been warned and don't really want to be mod killed.

so yeah if you don't want to accept my apolgies and what the mod chose to do instead of replacing me that is now your issue, don't make it an issue for anyone else.

[Jake from State Farm]

Mod can you please force replace jklm and let us get someone active and willing to actually play the game?

Thank you

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: jklm

[Jake from State Farm]

Probably the same reason there wasn't more votes on slandaar.

[Jake from State Farm]

What's the case for username.

[Jake from State Farm]

Cause this game sucks and out of the 3 Lurkers he sucks most. Plus I don't want to waste a 3rd day phase talking about jklm

P. edit - what?

[Jake from State Farm]

Well I'm still not sure you reached that conclusion but that sounds win/ win

unvote

I wanna ISO username before I do anything.

[Jake from State Farm]

In other news Jake decided to vote a lurker who is a townread of his with his scumreads instead of continue to vote PV his actual scumread who is also a lurker.

you are right I did vote jklm with my biggest scum reads, I feel he is more of a distraction then any other person in the game (besides you and I) and I think you said it best and it definitely applies here

If I have to lynch through the idiots to get scum lynched then that is what we will do.

I only think he is town because you are scum, but I also concede that I could be wrong about both of you.

having been in the situation that I think emo girl is in right now, I am just going to sheep her though, obviously she knows something we don't so

vote: username

I think it's quite telling that when I offer a 1 v 1 you chicken out and don't vote me. With your role claim you could have forced everyone to lynch me but it seems like you are afraid of what will happen when i flip town. So tomorrow we are going to do this shit. If you aren't dead and you actually get a result, you are getting lynched because there is no way scum is leaving a town power role alive unless they have a role blocker.

I am also suprised you said you are going to track me, I mean like emo said even her grandmother knew that but you blew your chance to bluff. You are really so blinded that if you are actually town you aren't playing your role optimally.

[Jake from State Farm]

you haven't answered my question yet

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake/JKLM/Iam

most obv town and the guy who called you out for your fluff post
lurker
lurker

this is really your lynch pool?

[Jake from State Farm]

actually that isn't the only difference. My desired lynch pool is Slandaar/hop/peregine and I am forced to compromise since nobody will vote with me. I am only voting username cause it seems that emo has info which means if she is wright, then I am wrong about one of the people on my list.

[Jake from State Farm]

Why does he even think she is a PR in the first place (hes scum with Iam)

how are you acting like you don't know she is a pr? You essentially outed her day 1 and now you are going to play dumb?

[Jake from State Farm]

No u

[Jake from State Farm]

Eh seriously though Username is scum because town don't complain about their scumread getting vigged.

oh geez you got me

i can't believe i made such a stupid mistake. why didn't i realise that town wouldn't do this. why.

in seriousness though, don't lynch me without giving me a chance to do an effort post plz. i promise to get to it within 36 hours of this post.
also don't lynch me on the basis that someone is claiming to have a guilty result when they have actually claimed nothing of the sort,

jake

. that shit is wack.

if you do lynch me before i do effortpost, seriously do not under any circumstances let peregrine slide through any more days without taking a single stance on anything jesus fuck guys he's not saying

anything

. don't lynch yiley, he's town. do a massclaim tomorrow. wear sunscreen.

Having had to full claim day 2 TWICE cause people couldn't read between the lines , she doesn't have to come out with her full information.

She was outed day 1 cause of slandaar and she seems to be fairly convinced you killed don. If I'm reading her push wrong and she doesn't actually have a guilty ill move back to slandaar.

[Jake from State Farm]

Why would you kill don?

[Jake from State Farm]

Hypocrite