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Yeah, I did my best to appear "cutesy" but it just didn't work.In post 59, Benmage wrote:^Yeah.. I've seen scum enter trying to appear "cutesy".. with rando things liek self votes.... This lynch is a go.
Come on, Benmage.
What does this change at all?In post 71, Kazekirimaru wrote:Actually, never mind. Forgot Minis actually required a public VT PM.
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Reactions, of course.In post 93, Benmage wrote:
Ignoring the linguistics... why did you selfvote?In post 88, T S O wrote:
Yeah, I did my best to appear "cutesy" but it just didn't work.In post 59, Benmage wrote:^Yeah.. I've seen scum enter trying to appear "cutesy".. with rando things liek self votes.... This lynch is a go.
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My reads will come soon.In post 131, toolenduso wrote:
I can dig it. But how would Kaze be scum?In post 128, T S O wrote:If Benmage is scum, Kaze too is scum.
And do you have any strong scum reads or town reads?
I think Kaze is good enough to easily pull a stunt like that and I can see Benmage being arrogant enough to clear his buddy.-
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Gm, I really have no interest in arguing with you, but suffice it to say you were shocking in Lock n' Stock so save your trash talk for when you actually play well.
Kaze's post is crap and I'm leaning Kaze-scum ATM.
Shos, I was basically trying to be an antagonising useless fuck and get reactions. Ben immediately jumped for it, which reads badly.-
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You never answered that, by the way, as it's all you've done so far.In post 230, T S O wrote:Are you going to wagon hop and sheep reasoning the whole game?-
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In post 150, snifit wrote:Mittens isn't scum. Had a little gut from the early posts but more recent posts are a townie mindset.
I rescind my claim of toolend being obv. town but I maintain that his reaction to mastin is null. More recently, he's trying to be useful in #127 which is good. His #131 rubs me the wrong way but that might just be because TSO is scum.
To expand, I had a strong gut reaction to tool on the first-second page. When I get a gut reaction I try to figure out why. Sometimes I come up with a good reason but sometimes I have to stretch. I'm willing to be wrong about him.
People still voting Naio are either scum or haven't played with noob town before. Or just aren't reading the game.
Everything about TSO is awful. I'm having trouble reading any of his posts at face value. Self-vote, then the obvious posturing when Benmage calls him on it, then the useless warnings about Kaze and Benmage.
VOTE: T S O
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Who's scum?In post 229, snifit wrote:Struggling for something to post about. shos has been goodposting so that's good to see. The tool wagon seriously needs to die. It's holding the game back. At the very least I'd like to see why people think he's scum--Mittens, for one, is at least honest that it's a shitty wagon. I guess it's the biggest wagon and people are lazy as fuck? This is town is much better than that.
TSO needs rope but no one else seems to care enough. I liked shos' points about goodmorning so
VOTE: goodmorning
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What's your read on goodmorning? And why are you voting for someone who's not getting lynched?In post 234, snifit wrote:Not going to let scum antagonize me. Looks like you're going all-in on this 'be intentionally useless and no one will think I'm scum' plan. Good luck with it.
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I guess the weekend was rough on activity. TSO's my top choice for lynch, so if anyone's interested I'm right there with you. Going to pursue other avenues in the meantime. I actually have a lot of townreads so my lynch pool is surprisingly small.
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Do you still think toolenduso is a realistic lynch? Reads on CooLDog and goodmorning?-
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And this is why he's in no way conftown.
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But this isIn post 275, snifit wrote:Oh no shos better remove everything from your post that someone's said before or else every single post you've made in the game will become worthless.
@TSO
You made an accusation and completely failed in providing evidence for it. Then you changed your accusation into a wishy-washy statement. That's what we call 'moving the goalposts' and it means you admitted you were wrong.complete rhetoric bullshit.You're flinging mud and seeing what sticks.
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I remember when you tried that before and we lynched you d1!In post 317, CooLDoG wrote:
Hello, you just stumbled onto my pet peeve, stupid fucking bullshit meta defenses of people who are doing fucking scummy things. Fuck your stupid argument, it is dumb and you are dumb (and stupid) for using it. If you want reasons why your stupid fucking argument is stupid fucking bullshit then go ahead and meta me because I'm pretty sure I have given reasons why before.In post 304, toolenduso wrote: @Cool: OK then, let's ignore the whole wincon thing about kaze. He's still town -- his lazy wagon hoppingishis town meta. I was just in a game with him where he did the same thing as town twice -- ask ETL, she modded.
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Just popping into say that yes, my lynch is perfectly okay. Never mind snifit being an absolute moron (Jacob play the game? What the actual fuck do you put in your formula bottle), never mind shos completely u-turning on me, don't mind any of that.
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No time and no energy. Fuck it shos, I knew this guy would immediately start a hate lynch of retribution, but I expected better from you.-
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It's 100% AtE, it's Town not really caring. I'm basically fucking educating you on what happens when someone doesn't care anymore.In post 388, shos wrote:we're definitely not lynching kaze.
TSO, I never u-flipped on you, you're confusing games, you were always scum this game
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Yaaay! Depression is for children.
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You mean PinkMittens, who openly admits there's nothing on me but is pushing a policy lynch.In post 429, shos wrote:Pink, what are your reads?
Taylor, waiting for yours too with thoughts please
IMO EK is atm bussing TSO.
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This is the scum on the wagon, if you're looking for it.In post 375, PinkMittens wrote:
I'm so not in the game right now (I haven't had time to go through it properly since the site came back) so I kinda hate to vote for someone right now. That being said, I'd hate letting scum control the lynch (especially on someone I don't want dead) way more. Hence I'll be voting Cool, I don't like the mentality/tone (could indeed make him a lynchbait though, but it's the best I have) of his posts, something feels off and I don't think his votes/conclusions make sense. This is hardly set in stone though, and I have a feeling that sheeping snifit might actually be more useful than my own judgement right now..
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I'm prefacing this with a rant, because it has to be said.
Sidebar for shos:
The first game I ever played with you was Mini 1462, way back in 2013. And I was pretty shit at that time, basically sheeping stronger players. In that game, you proved yourself to be one of them, and my estimation of you was high. And you more or less maintained that, until I saw you playing here. I'm giving it to you straight because I'm not fully sure you're scum and you need to hear this. Your play here is fucking awful. You of all people should know that my non-posting here isn't a scumtell; it's a sign of me being lazy and demotivated. I don't understand what you're trying to achieve with your bullshit trolling play. Mindless vote-hopping? What the fuck is this?
And I've been reaching out to you the whole game and you don't want to sync with me. I've shown you scum in #431 and #432. I've complained in #379. YOU KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE #369 IS GENUINE. You were in Mala's Medical Mafia with me. It's the exact same situation. You were wrong there, and you're wrong here too. What I'm starting to think is that you know you're wrong but you're not motivated enough to flip your reads on their head. That's what you need to do here. You know when I get into a game I can be useful but you also know when I'm not I'm a terrible, terrible player. You haven't asked me any useful questions, you haven't tried to talk to me, asked for reads, nothing. You're just standing there and getting manipulated and you don't even notice.
You still have posted NOTHING substantial on me being scummy, you still haven't gone after PinkMittens once, you still haven't done anything. You watched PinkMittens violently sidestep to avoid questions and changed your vote back so fast I'm nearly convinced you were trying to fake paranoia and you're just terrible at doing it. At this stage I'm basically done with you. If you want to actually look Town, if you want to actually contribute, it's time to step up. Otherwise, take a back seat and watch the Town crumble.-
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So, let's see what I'm being accused of.
-Did nothing d1
-Scummy lurking
-Excellent policy lynch d2.
Is that it? Is this a joke wagon or do you all have reading deficiencies? I defy you to go back and make a concrete case or SOMETHING on me. Right now there's this pervasive attitude of "TSO is lurking scum." That isn't going to get you anywhere. I've finally been roused enough to stop this policy bullshit.
PinkMittens, shos, snifit:Make a fucking case or sit the fuck down.-
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Starts off the game trying to appease Taylor. Why?In post 25, PinkMittens wrote:Taylor seems to have covered everything, we got this game in the bag!^^
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This reeks of fake scumhunting.VOTE: toolenduso
getting defensive before we even enter rvs!
Bullshit of the highest nature. We are on page 2 - I doubt toolenduso ever even comprehended finding scum on page 2, let alone actively look for them. This is an unfair question which targets tool's newness.In post 46, PinkMittens wrote:
Only cares about posts aimed at him. Doesn't care about finding scum. Defensive mindset. Scum mentality.In post 42, toolenduso wrote:Not really. I was just pointing out that they were making scumreads and townreads before the game had even started.
The way players have responded to it since then makes me think it was more of a joke than I originally thought, but now I'm just confused.
@Taylor: Was there actually a reason for your reads in the confirmation stage post, or were you just trying to kickstart discussion?
As well as mongering negativity towards tool, the post is full of misreps. Tool not understanding one of Taylor's tactics means he "doesn't care about finding scum and has a scum mentality?" Stop right there, you've proven how full of holes your case is by yourself.
This is an opportunistic-as-fuck scumlist, where PM doesn't have to stand out from anyone by repeating what they're saying.In post 78, PinkMittens wrote: Scum: Tool>Cool>TSO.
Paraphrased as: "Why did you change your read from my greatest scumread to my weaker scumread?"In post 79, PinkMittens wrote:What made you change your vote from TSO to tool?
He should be delighted he's pressuring scum. Instead, he worries about appearing thoughtful to everyone else. Now THAT'S a scum mentality.
The crux of this post is that sheeping tool is scummy, when it's not. We're never told why it's scummy or how he did it is scummy. It's just scummy. That's useless and it doesn't analyse mindset. It's surface deep because the mislynch PinkMittens is pushing is also surface deep.In post 86, PinkMittens wrote:Cool proceeds to completely ignore the most significant occurance in the game, the wagon on tool, and instead proceeds to sheep him. Mentions #joindateelitism, yet builds his entire case on a post easily explained by looking at just that. Nonsense.
You called Cool scum earlier, you called Cool scum later, but the one time Cool put it up to you, you backed the fuck away. Why?In post 92, PinkMittens wrote:
Nah I'm "cool". I think your post(s) are nonsense, but I don't see much scum motivation in them either.In post 87, CooLDoG wrote: sure, whatever, don't give a shit. put your vote with this big talk friend.
How was Benmage attempting to make friends? I don't see it.In post 132, PinkMittens wrote: You seem more interested in making friends than anything else lately, and that kinda rubs me the wrong way (just not sure if it's playstyle or not, gotta meta).
SO. MUCH. OPPORTUNISM.In post 132, PinkMittens wrote:Either way I think we have at least one scum in tool, cool & shos.
This is yet another example of inconsistency with reads and mindset. PinkMittens isn't convinced Naio is Town, but his posts are genuine and he's definitely leaning Town. What is this? Why are you going in circles constantly?In post 132, PinkMittens wrote:Personally I'm not entirely convinced that Naio is town, but his posts seem genuine and I'm definitely leaning town (unfortunately I think he'd feel genuine panick as either alignment though)
This is the only decent posts that PinkMittens made in the whole game, but there was no follow-up on the push on tool. If I made a huge case on a player, I'd push the damn thing hard. PinkMittens didn't, and the only reason I can think of is that one mislynch is the same as the next.In post 166, PinkMittens wrote:Regarding Tool: I didn't think his initial reaction to Taylor (#21) was terribly scummy, but I did think that it was the scummiest we had at that point (well, about the only thing). Hence I decided to start with my vote there to see reactions/get the game going. I didn't really like the reactions I got. His posts didn't feel genuine/forced, defensive and jumped on the first opportunity to direct us elsewhere (Naio, which I think is a scummy/terrible wagon in general). Once the attention started to shift to the Naio wagon (that he started) he made no intentions of analysing/questioning the responses from Naio, he simply left the vote there and stopped posting until it started to lose steam. His posts after that are decent to me (#127 feels a little town). That being said, those posts would be very easy to make as scum as well, the questions are obvious/already made elsewhere. When he isn't actively pressured (I don't think he is atm, despite being at L-2) he doesn't really seem to have any incentive of providing content. Most people have been posting quite little in general though, so I guess this doesn't mean too much. I will admit that I don't think the case on tool is far from strong, I'm just not sure if I have a better one atm. That being said, O wouldn't really mind a wagon on Cool either, not sure which one I find scummier atm. Those are the only two (you would've been the third before this page) I'm fine voting for atm, I feel kinda unable to read TSO and regarding the rest I'm leaning town/null or they simply haven't provided enough content yet. More on that tomorrow.
Apparently, PinkMittens hasn't read the thread in days, but still thinks CoolDog is scum due to ...wait, nothing. How unconvincing.In post 235, PinkMittens wrote:
I wouldn't be terribly upset about a tool lynch, but I don't think the ideal lynch anymore no. Think Cool is scum, not sure about goodmorning.Do you still think toolenduso is a realistic lynch? Reads on CooLDog and goodmorning?
UNVOTE: for now. I'll re-read the thread when I get home, I've barely gotten a chance to look at it for days, but I'm leaning towards a Cool vote.
This post is completely inconsistent with itself. Let's use the power of paraphrasing:In post 375, PinkMittens wrote:I don't want to lynch Taylor right now. Not really sure if town or scum (~null, haven't read this properly lately), but it's active and I like the mindset (found myself agreeing with quite a few things). I'd rather lynch essentially anyone else with votes right now, they are all either less active nulls or leaning scum to me.
"Don't want to lynch Taylor. Completely null read. Active, correct mindset, agreed on many things."
How could that be a null read? Answer: it's not.
This, right here, should condemn you to the noose. It's the most cynical, fake, produced reasoning for a mislynch ever. You don't like his mentality or tone? No examples, nothing? No quotes, no anything at all. You even jump the gun by telling us he's lynchbait, and then you vote him anyway.In post 375, PinkMittens wrote:I'm so not in the game right now (I haven't had time to go through it properly since the site came back) so I kinda hate to vote for someone right now. That being said, I'd hate letting scum control the lynch (especially on someone I don't want dead) way more. Hence I'll be voting Cool, I don't like the mentality/tone (could indeed make him a lynchbait though, but it's the best I have) of his posts, something feels off and I don't think his votes/conclusions make sense. This is hardly set in stone though, and I have a feeling that sheeping snifit might actually be more useful than my own judgement right now.This makes no sense as a strong scumread.
Earlier in the game, we were told CD was your 2nd highest scumread. This post proves that was a barefaced lie, as you clearly didn't even read CoolDog's ISO.
You said right above this post you'd hate to let scum control the lynch and you'd hate to vote, then sheeped the largest lurker-VI wagon going. Your mindset doesn't correlate with your actions.
Actually, my play makes sense as either. But that's a sidenote.In post 392, PinkMittens wrote:Just ask for a replacement if you have no interest in playing the game TSO? Your play makes little sense as scum and even less as town.
Anyways, I'm perfectly fine changing my vote to TSO, he's either scum or purposly anti-town. We could do worse for the D-1 lynch.
Zero interest in a Kaze lynch here as well.
If my play makes no sense as scum, then why would you vote me? You then bring up the classic "anti-town" line, a sure-fire mislynch quote.
Your opportunism in being on CoolDog but letting people know you'll lynch me, the only two viable wagons, is shocking.-
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Now, that's everything before the CoolDog lynch. I'll probably go through his other 4 posts later, but there's one that stuck with me:
shos, go to fucking Specsavers if you were convinced to vote me because of this. PinkMittens doesn't even deny discrediting me! That's yet another slip.In post 437, PinkMittens wrote:
I don't really see how I can discredit you better than you do yourself.In post 436, T S O wrote:I've shown the game scum in you. Keep trying to discredit me though, it amuses me how you flail when you're caught.
This is really blatant, by the way, and yet again it's one of those posts which you should look at and think, "Do we hang this scumfuck today or do we hang this scumfuck today?" Any other reaction is wrong.-
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Called it, yet again.In post 459, T S O wrote:And I can tell you that PinkMittens is just gonna come in, talk about 2-3 things, dismiss the case and move on. That's what scum do when they can't address accusations. If you can't see now I'm being genuine as fuck you should vote me, as I'll clearly never be able to convince you.-
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You haven't particularly veiled your read on me, Titus. And neither has Kaze.In post 578, Titus wrote:@PM After Kaze posts his thoughts on TSO, I'll probably say how I feel about TSO generally.
However, I'm not going into much depth the way I usually do. The longer scum think I will mislynch town, the longer I live, even if I use the socratic to be sure we lynch scum. Your question is a fair question and I'd give a lot more detail if I wasn't conftown.
Let's stop the elaboration.
Wrong. Completely wrong, in fact.In post 581, Hannibal wrote:Tool, we aren't lynching Naio or Pink today.-
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Legitimately, this isn't an OMGUS case. That's the crux of PM's countercase, but it's complete bullshit.In post 591, Titus wrote:TSO, other than OMGUS, what reasoning do you have for PM to die? From my spot, y'all look like TvT.
The opportunism of PM going for me when I was down really has my hackles up, but they did it in such an underhanded way that it's scummy as shit. Look at other people: they came up 100% and said why they were doing it with real reasons. PM didn't.
And the countercase? Pfft. I credit it by calling it that. It can be summed up in 4 words: AtE , weak d1 and OMGUS. The first I openly admit isn't completely fake. I did get slightly emotional. If emotion is scummy, then I'll go to the noose. But it's not. The second is such a ridiculous reason to attack me for it's not even worth addressing. Then PM said my reaction to EK was OMGUS when it clearly wasn't and spoilered one post - my only EK interaction - to make the case look bigger. There's no reason for Town to do any of this. Therefore, PM is scum.-
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I'm used to town-Kaze being decisive. This isn't it.In post 557, Kazekirimaru wrote:Not sure I support the PM vote.
Is this really true, Kaze?In post 526, Kazekirimaru wrote:
You call it defensive, I'm just trying to be compliant. I've deafened far too many townie ears by being a douche and not trying to level with them.In post 524, Titus wrote:Eww...start with this defensive attitude.-
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