Mini 1585: Muskoka Murder Mystery - Game Over

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/confirm

I'm Bert's public alt. Bert does not wish to be here at this time.

Call me Bert.

Bye.

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Here are my reads via random.org (don't ask how I got them):

Boonskiies - town
Aneninen - scum and PR
Misaka Network (Hydra of FakeGod and Gaiden) - VT
BroodKingEXE - PR
chaoslord54 - scum and PR
evilpacman18 - town
Jakuzure Nonon (Hydra of Caledfwitch and Feirei) - VT
Super Mario - town
don_johnson - PR
startfromtheheart - VT and town
Konowa - town
Chevre - scum - (VT aka goon)
reinoe - town

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VOTE: Jakuzure

You let the Kings win, how could you?

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Super Mario - town

that vote makes me sad, Fei. Sheep me, guys.

VOTE: chevy

chevy's in this game, therefore is scum

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(also hi i dont think i know anyone here)

you lie! also you must be town because you didn't read post #5. I worked p hard to make that post. Did it kill your brain cells?

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brb crying

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brb crying

this was a notscience impersonation

I actually have a heart made of limestone.

It's leeeeeeeeeaking! - the grinch

I cried one tear. (not really but imagine that)

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And I'm leaking*

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Prod dodge. Tomorrow.

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Ohey replacements. Hi Earthly Beings.

I've been pretending to play in my brain, but not actually playing. I just converted myself to player mode though with my remote control. Care if I join you all?

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BERT GET THE FUCK IN HERE AND TALK WITH US!!!!!!!!!!!!!


p-edit get on my fun wagon anti.

hi did you know that you're confirmed scum that's not easy to spot? Your scumminess has been flogged with kid gloves.

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Jesus stop being so facetious

this almost rhymes! how lovely

plz write me a children's book. i love clifford!

the only thing to keep in mind for now is: if you're a cop, don't bother investigating Konowa.

thank you mr. obvious!

Post 6: I'm curious to know startfromtheheart's motivation for posting completely random reads. To me, it seems like a way to creation "suspicion" when people would just be reacting to them out of emotion or fury, especially when they are so conspicuously broadcasted as random.

this is a mini normal.

this is mafia.

but, this is a mini normal.

what can i say, i was snoozing throughout the first 9 pages!

Let me leap on top of Chevy's beautiful post on Page 6 or 8 or 9, and VOTE: Reinoe

Now, let me reread while smelling rotten eggs!

Here, have some

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Someone is scrambling. I'll give you a hint.

Rhymes with rhino.

Mobile

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Chevy...A lovely name, but is it scum?

Is Chevy a rock? Let me grab my geology textbook and find out

I'm thinking its igneous

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Wait it's a cruiser.

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Yeah rocks > motorcycles > cars

Lynch Chevy before cars take over these country roads. Pfffft

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Normal games can have millers w/o cops right

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But I do like the way you think.

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Here are my reads via random.org (don't ask how I got them):

Boonskiies - town
Aneninen - scum and PR
Misaka Network (Hydra of FakeGod and Gaiden) - VT
BroodKingEXE - PR
chaoslord54 - scum and PR
evilpacman18 - town
Jakuzure Nonon (Hydra of Caledfwitch and Feirei) - VT
Super Mario - town
don_johnson - PR
startfromtheheart - VT and town
Konowa - town
Chevre - scum - (VT aka goon)
reinoe - town

VOTE: Chevy the car

Told you all Chevy was scum! Lovely name though, what a pity

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Easier to see players obligated to pick sides because of a polarizing figure, which can be good.

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I'm thinking about Cow Appreciation Day

Oh, this game...

UNVOTE:

I think I'm going to twiddle my thumbs for an hour and come back tonight.

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I promised my poodle I would start posting more once don nails the scumteam

He hasn't met my expectations so the pooch is snoring currently

Brb.

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Yeah, Chevy's last post was definitely honourable mention.

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I've been just as bad as EPM, if not worse. Why are we lynching EPM?

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I'm in apathy hell that requires a thoughtful and tender undoing, so try scaring me with votes

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I wasn't defending EPM. I don't understand why EPM is being wagoned - that doesn't qualify as defending EPM. I don't think EPM is the best bang for the buck vote. It's expressing doubt in why town would have EPM as the choice over me (or maybe someone else), as the only reasons against EPM from what I understand are valid when applied to me and several other players.

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Will post later tonight. Just keeping myself in .

Dear Apathetic Brethren, welcome to the family!

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Guyett is setting a fine example for us young'uns!

please scum have mercy on my soul!

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Bert what do you mean by this. I don't see any way in which my title holds relevance to the matters of this game so far.

I felt like saying what I said. I don't know where your title comes from!

Bert, I'm curious--if you don't understand the wagon on evilpacman18, did you understand the wagon on me; if so, in what specific ways?

My head is enriched by apathy, I think I need someone to bake me some brownies as the apathy is leaving me looking malnourished. HELP! Nah, I didn't understand the wagon and still don't have a handle on what's going on in this game.

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I see myself being put at L-1 eventually if I keep this up, so I will buck this trend (or so I hope) before it's too late and town is harmed by my ineptitude.

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Finches > pigeons

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I will sell my soul to this game on Tuesday. Just you wait.

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This is a textbook opportunistic wagon, what surprises me is that Guyett is on it when he was against another similar wagon earlier, I forget who. Two scum minimum and I'm guessing Anti and either Guyett or Misaka.

Why should they know better? What should they know better about?

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VOTE: Boon

Unlike EPM, Boon seems to be just biding time after the release of the suspicion on him. We will see what happens once EPM is given a longer leash.

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most cases here seem similar, but maybe I'm not reading into things enough

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Muskoka sounds like Misaka.

Chevre lynch is on the same tier as epm lynch.

Who else is on that tier?

Chevre is scum going for the low hanging fruit

Hi, I've been wearing a "I'm really scummy cos I'm not posting" sign on my forehead!

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This game so far is ridiculously hard to get into but I will tomorrow. It takes like 300% of anti-procrastination potion to get the full effect of this game

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Why did you replace in, Anti?

will you be my apothecary

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this is getting real, yeah this is a prod doge until tomorrow morn

chevre never listen to fakegod

hes right too often beware

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he's anti-fake.

if ure fake, he finds u. just saying

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Just caught up. Well, more like a cursory glance in terms of reading.

You know what would be great? Is if everyone just profusely apologized to everyone else, and then we can let everything proliferate

how does that sound.

ok one sec posting something

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The changes in pressure here on different wagons feel slimy

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i'm not intentionally staying low on the reasoning department, this morning was actually the first time i read through this game fully

reading =/= absorbing, kinda like listening/hearing

frustratingly vague i know. i dont even know if chevre is scum but yeah chevy is at l-1 i think

i dont have enough to wave away that wagon, and even if i wanted to i wouldnt be able to, so....

anyone wanna ask me questions because this is ridiculously hard to stay interested in

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Reinoe I hope you're joking

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chaoslord softed so badly, how did he/she end up living

i havent re-read, well i did a little during the night (no energy now), and i dont even understand why softclaims dont die unless scum sorry. so my play has dropped off a cliff i think the past month oh well umm

i dont even understand, i think the NK is just not supposed to make sense

sorry rambling but idc really if VCA is considered scummy to you

VOTE: chaoslord

i will tell u that don_johnson looked the towniest of towns in my re-skim. very superficial skim btw. i was expecting don or chaos to go, or misaka if scum is really afraid of them or something

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i was kinda suspicious of anti during re-skim but then i had two long days and i forgot what happened in this game so.....

also this latest VC still has feirei hydra and the yarent alive

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im voting chaos because like, i sensed a tiny tinge of pressure in two of my old past games, and i did a similar "wow do u want me to claim to get me off ur back"

it looks sooo scummy

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oh yeah well it looks like scum bussed unless there's scum in epm and brood.

like, it looked so bad for me last night, i was like dang im on the wagon chevre was on at the end of the day, that must look bad
tbh i left chevre alone because that style chevre posted in, i had no idea what to think but

Here are my reads via random.org (don't ask how I got them):

Boonskiies - town
Aneninen - scum and PR
Misaka Network (Hydra of FakeGod and Gaiden) - VT
BroodKingEXE - PR
chaoslord54 - scum and PR
evilpacman18 - town
Jakuzure Nonon (Hydra of Caledfwitch and Feirei) - VT
Super Mario - town
don_johnson - PR
startfromtheheart - VT and town
Konowa - town

Chevre - scum - (VT aka goon)

reinoe - town

randomization gave us a good answer.

so how about lyncing aneninen or chaos today guys

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well it says that chaos is both PR (he already softclaimed) and scum, so like

hear the noise.

- superficial, lack of content poster for the interim

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Yeah

Scum motivation to take out potential prs

That's what I would do as scum in a second unless they think there's a protective role or something

But like soft claiming with 2 votes on is meh

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every instinct tells me that scum bussed, and that scum wants us to believe that they didn't so they can gain towncred for it

this is very playing card like

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also, it makes their path more difficult to trace if we are lead to believe that a bus was unlikely and unnecessary given their positions on the wagons

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i actually have a sneaking suspicion that had i jumped onto the chevre wagon, it would have derailed

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gives scum an excuse to come off cos omg lurker who hasnt posted is latchingon

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how did scum hand the game on a silver platter with the reinoe kill?

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i mean it's either a random kill or PR hunting (but chaos softclaimed so idk the second possibility is super improbable)

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the chaoslord votes are pretty bad.

..but hey, it's the counterwagon to scum so i guess i'd expect as much.

oh..

i dont feel like it's bad

but yeah according to my randomized list, anen is scum too, so i can do that too later. but that softclaim felt soooooo fake lol

Here are my reads via random.org (don't ask how I got them):

Boonskiies - town

Aneninen - scum and PR

Misaka Network (Hydra of FakeGod and Gaiden) - VT
BroodKingEXE - PR

chaoslord54 - scum and PR

evilpacman18 - town
Jakuzure Nonon (Hydra of Caledfwitch and Feirei) - VT
Super Mario - town
don_johnson - PR
startfromtheheart - VT and town
Konowa - town

Chevre - scum - (VT aka goon)

reinoe - town

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Reinoe has vig or SK kill written all over it

Sorry under the weather and thinking in a spammy confused way

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another day of 1 big wagon and not much else

hmmm i hope that's a good omen

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anen is at l-1 btw ladies and gents

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L-2 not L-1, worst typo ever.

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?

Reinoe is dead

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bert: if there is a vig they should claim NOW. do you agree?

yessir, but if I were a vig I'd be scared and would predict that I'd be lynched if I came out.

I Hope that isn't the case if there's an actual vig

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chill

i actually think you might be town but youre just gonna cause frustration votes on yourself

also that chaos action claim - seems like chaos is being framed to be today's lynch ----> scum knowing chaos softed, having access to the game where chaos was most suspicious of reinoe outside of chevre, seeing that reinoe was telegraphing who a target would be - makes sense to keep chaos alive in that scenario

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well what it did reveal was people started coming for you, including me.

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If you rant too much people are going to just feel like you're supporting Don's case

by getting overly upset and vote you. If you are really town then please calm down so we can find the real scum

this is on point, i just didnt know how to put it, but yeah that ^

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well your case comes down to that you think EPM knew who died and was pretending to not be 'in the know'

what else am i missing

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Why can't Don be a townleader

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Anti this may seem similar to my scumgame, but in the next two hours that I have, I'll fight this apathy plague and mini normal dullness to prove your read wrong

I'm living dangerously because lurking is often considered a scumtell for me

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Also, I wasn't mediating.

It's easy for scum to slip by unnoticed when you're this vocal.

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But that's your style I guess, so idk I'm the beggar and I can't choose

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Night 1, I would have killed chaoslord or don. A distant third maybe FakeGod, or even you. Very distant though, chaos and don top two without a doubt.

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don's posts felt so confident D1, and it was pretty town-leader style like he knew what he was doing.

chaos for that obvious softclaim that I saw. hold on still going through this game lol i keep procrastinating

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evilpacman does make me worried in a yessiree-style kind of way.

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#689?

what about it?

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you know who Anen reminds me of? The Z person who always used a scumometer in 2013-ish. Can't remember the username, but yeah...

I also am really surprised I'm not getting voted much considering how bad yesterday's wagon looks for me, and how I hopped of Chevre right as the wagon was taking flight. I could use some pressure, honestly, because this is one of those games I'm taking an apathy dump in.

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VOTE: Anen

This is a sheep vote, and yeah I'm living really dangerously by not contributing much at the moment. I'm trying to!! Motivation just isn't there atm.

I do think Anti is town. I think DJ is town. Not sure about Misaka. I think Guyett is lean town. Don't know about EPM because too yessiree-like.
I really don't know abou tAnen but I'l ltrust your reads. And umm Brood *looks* town.

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Also, chaos REALLY makes me want to lynch him, but I can't bring myself to vote for a claimed PR - the manner of softclaim D1 was just sooooooooo off/panicked. I don't want to see him/her become unlynchable though, but I have no reason to justify a lynch today. A town tracker flip would make town deflated and in bad shape.

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Cheery's opening is satisfactory. Konowa seems town.

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Anen and Chaos are scum according to my list and he has voted both of them.

Just kidding! I'll respond later this afternoon - I made some notes in the pas thour.

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The kill points towards Misaka (FakeGod) than it does anyone else.

I remember how calculated his moves were in his scumgame I modded a while back.

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More than*

/mobile

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I think you make sense with him.

VOTE: Misaka

Bigger threat first. Yes I know my votes are very much bashable so go ahead!

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Appearances only":

904 looks like FakeGod. The self-vote looks like FakeGod. The unvote MIGHT be Gaiden, but I'm not sure.

906 is definitely fakegod.

908-910 seem like Gaiden but FakeGod might be pulling our legs

913 and 915 are probably FakeGod.

917 seems slightly like Gaiden. Based on appearances only.

However,

I still kinda think all of it is FakeGod.

...i thought only fakegod was doing the posting.

I really don't think Gaiden has posted yet.

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Miller and tracker seems odd :/

Maybe the miller claimed not knowing there's a tracker! Could easily be scum claiming miller. 50/50!

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the only (ONLY) way it makes sense for chaoslord to be so big about claiming, is if she/he is lying about her/his role, or if that role is more limited than we would think (aka actually 1-shot). Or if chaos was actually 1-shot BP and was trying to draw a kill.

Like, that's the only way where I feel like things would make sense. But just as likely is chaos being scum panicking and softclaiming to avoid being run up.

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My focus isn't here right now, but that's better than lurking and saying nothing. I'm speaking my mind though. I've already said that I think chaos is with Misaka.

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Also, the vote and then unvote from Misaka is different from when this hydra left their vote on themselves as town and didn't unvote in the game I was last in a few months ago.

So I'm good with their lynch.

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are you a vig?

no, but if I were, I wouldn't have shot chaos last night because of the soft. I would have shot completely based on gut and gone with Antihero.

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I feel like FG asked you to come in and unvote his self-vote as scum.

Well, I'm biased because in our past scumgames I always asked you to come out of your hiding place and save us last-minute! Secret weapon.

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When you're used in the correct dose for the opponent, it's effective. But you can't be a starter every night where everyone sees what you do and can adjust accordingly.

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chaos, results please?

My pointless speculation of the day is that scum probably rolecopped don. That, or he's just townleader etc. etc.

I can't tell if chaos is being left alive because chaos can be stopped by scum PR's and thus can be a distraction on days here, or if that's just a panic scumclaim.

Scum I am so unhappy with you if chaos is not scum and you're leaving him/her alive just to mess with our heads.

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I feel town's chances just went wayyyyy down with the last two deaths.

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maybe Konowa's role is either a fakeclaim or is red herring?

this doesn't make any sense

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VOTE: Anen

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Here are my reads via random.org (don't ask how I got them):

Boonskiies - town
Aneninen - scum and PR
Misaka Network (Hydra of FakeGod and Gaiden) - VT
BroodKingEXE - PR
chaoslord54 - scum and PR
evilpacman18 - town
Jakuzure Nonon (Hydra of Caledfwitch and Feirei) - VT
Super Mario - town
don_johnson - PR
startfromtheheart - VT and town
Konowa - town
Chevre - scum - (VT aka goon)
reinoe - town

Í'm becoming superstitious and must now investigate into the truth of my clairvoyance.

yes, clap clap.

pick chaos and anen, then lynch. use my list as an inner reading/viewing screen, loves

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anen (sp?) Mafia trackers exist.....result accuracy tells nothing

Table was a joke because of how much I lose interest in mini normals, but ironically it's 4/4 thus far!!

Superstitious minds...sing

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Jailkeeper probably counters a mafia roleblocker

So the fact that chaos got results is damning

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Anen is not clear because of your track...

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UNVOTE:

@Bert: you haven't answered my question about your voting pattern nor about voting for me without providing any pieces of information yet.

I've been WIFOMizing the game much more than anyone else, but that's because I haven't really had much to say - got a lot of distractions going on outside the site which should be much better in a week or two. I don't think I've really provided any good info in this game so far, so you could have pointed that out on D1, D2, or D3.

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it should be considered that (1) the track read shows that I have no role with targetting (2) it makes less likely that I'm a scum.

Some scum can kill and track in the same night. What's likelier with a scum tracker is if your mafia partner performs the kill while you perform the track. Standard procedure.

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Well Don died and he suspected anti full stop

So it's either a set-up for an anti mislynch

Or Don was the only one who could lead town to lynch anti-scum
Yeah I'm playing terribly, but still way too flat-lined from withdrawal crap that all I post is mindless theory it seems!

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Konowa and anti r my gut scumreads

Like I know I will be under fire soon cos unreadable but I meant it when I said I'm too flat-lined to so anything about it atm

Normally feeling pressure gets me to react, but times r achanging y'all

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half of me wants to say EPM, guyett

the other half is like dude, it's anti-konowa

am i stupid

yeah i think i am

sorry ill try to catch up when im not mobile and unproductive

oh and my third half feels like chaos is scum, but then the fourth half feels like chaos isnt scum but is being setup as an easy mislynch

so there's that

my reads are in flux until i read the game

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Idk

Too good and on-point to be town guyitt

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Thank you for the vote

Finally someone is trying to wake me up from my lull

A few more and I should be golden. Unleash more votes

Also I won't be lynched today just so you know!

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Once I wake up, that is

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If I had the energy/drive to post and respond more, I would. I told you all I'm really flat-lined and yet oddly passive-aggressive-ish irritable which is really not normal for me. It's getting better but slowly, pain meds can take a hike forever, i swear, those are no joke

The more the attention is on me, the more I wake up. I told you all to put more votes on me like on D1 or D2 so that I would contribute more because zero contribution from me. better late than never. Carry on.

Yes, I'm stubborn. oh, and I'm a bodyguard. And I protected without even reading the game - i gave like 2 minutes look to ISOs with the recollection of someone mentioning a soft claim. i found the soft claim, and then - my choice was between don and chaos both nights (i thought gut-wise antihero looked like scum during night 1), and even though I started to doubt chaos starting Day 2, I bodyguarded chaos again Night 2. I'm usually pretty obvious as a PR so I don't even think my role really matters that much. If it weren't for that, don would probably still be here. And yeah, I have probably 3-4 games experience with don from back in the day and that's why I said he was a town leader even though people disagreed.

And yes, those in the dead QT are saying I'm playing terribly and have no reason to out.

That's true too, you can yell at me later lol. I've spent this game discussing theory and not being good at said theory.

tl;dr i am stupid for claiming. I still haven't read most of this game, and I don't even know when the drive will come, which is a shame etc. etc. etc. blah blah. ive waited like, a month now? but nothing

those that think having a BG and a JK is weird, well it is what it is and it may not make sense with the setup, but whatever.

I feel so blah. I tried to inspire myself to give more than a timid reaction with some energy, but none sorry. And I have no real reads, I'm not even trying to be intentionally scummy

whatever

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Also I wager that there's power On scums side to counter the JK etc

And if there were a tracker, scum would prevent the the trackers action if unable to kill said tracker

So chaos having real results is a huge red flag

VOTE: Chaos

Unless there's a ninja which would make sense

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He protected DJ on D1 and Chaos on D2.

Wrong. Chaos both nights.

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how was I supposed to do that?

I understand asking for that from a hider or cop or JK, but a bodyguard with no dead/successful results to speak for including a no-kill of some sort, really?

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i mean the obvious protect from ANYONE was chaos, no matter how much I suspected him/her. If you look at my Day 2 posts, when I speculated about the kill, I called Don very town and was shocked the PR softclaim didn't die.

chaoslord softed so badly, how did he/she end up living

i havent re-read, well i did a little during the night (no energy now), and i dont even understand why softclaims dont die unless scum sorry. so my play has dropped off a cliff i think the past month oh well umm

i dont even understand, i think the NK is just not supposed to make sense

sorry rambling but idc really if VCA is considered scummy to you

VOTE: chaoslord

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i will tell u that don_johnson looked the towniest of towns in my re-skim. very superficial skim btw. i was expecting don or chaos to go, or misaka if scum is really afraid of them or something

i was kinda suspicious of anti during re-skim but then i had two long days and i forgot what happened in this game so.....

also this latest VC still has feirei hydra and the yarent alive

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VOTE: Brood

I'm confident in this.

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scum will now have to find a different backup mislynch plan. lolz im pretty sure it was supposed to be me today

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just look at all the questions you go in circles about. easily skating by with lots of questions that don't even seem cleverly timed. that overshadows the lack of scumhunting you've done

also, you asked me for a full reads list, but you haven't drawn your conclusions about your own full reads list or looked closely at everyone lately.vague suspicions on me until blowing up on this game day seem totally incentivized by knowing that today is the time to seize the opportunity to mislynch me, especially with don gone and others that know my game well.

otherwise, how come you bring up your suspicions on me now, when they were valid for the past two game days prior to this?

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why would i softclaim needlessly on d2? im responding broodking....

I know I'm not the smartest player here but at least I'm TRYING since I can feel that I MUST.

im guessing english is not your first language, or is that Brood? because that post feels soooooo scummy tonally

I'm not the smartest player here, and just because my effort hasn't been there - i have an explanation for my lack of stuff in this game - lack of lots of content doesn't mean scum

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Do you want me to claim Reinoe? Would that make you get off my case?

softclaim.

sorry, i thought you were asking me when i softclaimed d1/d2, which i did not

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lynch chevre. he claimed vanilla and

we already have a soft claim on the table.

no reason to run anyone else up today.

let the night happen.

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I think you've been slightly better than Misaka for most of the game

wow.

misaka played millions of times better than i have. i have no words lol

VOTE: Konowa

this is a 100% gut read. strongest.

the way and yeah i glanced over people's ISOs. it would be nice if anti would come back because his slot is really scummy for disappearing off the face of Mars today, but maybe he's busy or something so not feeling great about that read.

reinoe, Chevre, epm, and dj are my lynch choices today. Still think reinoe is the right play for today (to the point that I'm ignoring the tunnel I'm going down now). After that I have no preference as I think that each is as likely to be scum as the next (though #428 does lessen Chevre being scum).

epm is likely scum for the whole projection of his meta onto Anti, "He's scum because I know I get that way as scum" and doing shit all all game.

Chevre is scum going for the low hanging fruit, Boonskiies, ignoring post #88 where it shows that Boonskiies is newb town. I don't think that newb scum can fake that sort of genuine confusion that he [Boonskiies] obviously doesn't get it.

chaos is probably scum for #528, which also makes reinoe likely town at this point despite my early misgivings about him, for the awful swing vote on reinoe over Chevre.

Pretty much settles on these three for the day. What's the votecount at?

then, he puts a last minute hammer vote on chevre. makes perfect sense for a bus.

Scum must be underpowered and

miller, me,

was added for negative utility, balance. I'm pretty bad at setup stuff so I don't know.
Chaos, don't claim results just yet, especially if you have any positive results.

why would you have to say 'me' when we already know you claimed miller

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I don't like how you're voting for me over Chaos at this point though, given what you've suggested about Chaos it feels like he's confirmed scum to you.

he's not confirmed anything. i said it feels wrong that he is still alive. that doesn't mean he is confirmed scum. that means i am very suspicious of him, but that does not mean confirmed anything. also, a PR is still a PR is still a PR claim. im most scared of playing into scum's hands and lynching out of paranoia that chaos-slot is still alive

also, the lack of attention on EPM is really weird the last few days. im surprised everyone just let go of that read after i defended him and the lynch on chevre went through instead.

I think chaos is too new to catch any connections between trackers and millers, might not even have known what a miller is.

this is really really unlikely

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oh my god dang it

im back to thinking Anen is scum.

VOTE: Anen

I've been thinking.

The problem is that I think all of the three claims may or may not be true.

Konowa: I've already written about it before. Claiming Miller in the first post is one of the valid strategies. Fake-claiming might be risky; not only because of not getting Nightkilled at the first couple of Nights is a valid argument for calling the claimer scum later. It's also risky because we have an unknown setup: later flips and claims can greatly decrease the possibility of the presence of a Miller. As for this, both of these factors might be true for our situation...

Chaos: I've already written about this as well. However, here's one more thing. Assuming that he's the Tracker for real, he might have been at least a little bit suspicious about Konowa's claim on Day1. No such thing happened.

Bert: When I read his claim for the first time I had an intuition like "bullshyt, bullshyt, bullshyt". I can't explain why I felt that since I can find nothing in that post (nor in his later posts) which gives scum-wibes and I can't find a single proof how his claim (or his Night actions) might be fake.

Also,
what exactly the case against BroodKing is?

Who else can be scum besides the claimers?

I'm still waiting for many players' posts.

Just read the bolded. Why isn't this player being voted more??

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"all of the three claims may or not may be true" what is the point of saying that?

or asking "who else can be scum besides the claimers" without commenting on who you think is scum besides the claimers. anyone else could be scum outside the claimers, so that statement doesn't make sense.

it's like you're asking us who is scummy outside the claimers so you can help lynch whoever we say

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god i am playing so terribly this game

VOTE: Konowa

have a wagon

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VOTE: https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/imag ... wr2XmJ33B9

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Mobile ughhhh

VOTE: konowa

Lynch -1

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Hold me back bro!!!

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The more I read the more I want Pacman and Guyett lynched.

Am I paranoid or what? Reading at a cafe for an hour still going on

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I feel like every wagon today is off.

UNVOTE:

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Just kidding

VOTE: Konowa

Need wagon pressure as there isn't any

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I really think Anen's language barrier is tripping our alarms. I was thinking of unvoting you Konowa, but your last posts are brimming with vocally proclaiming you're the perfect "target" for scum and that that's why you're alive still. The problem is your push for an alternative (in chaos) is someone who can proclaim him/herself the perfect "target" for scum as well.

but that would mean that they both bussed Chevre late D1 so take that for what it is worth.

the picture is completely different when there is no reliable counterwagon in sight.

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Bert can you just trust me that Annnn is town and go back to voting Konowa? That was good.

my current instinct is this evilpacman is a townie just like phokdapolees-town. I am trying to develop townreads on people at the moment. I believe that Anen's alarm-tripping is a product of the language barrier. Also, his votes show a kind of non-binding attitude, as if actually trying to figure things out.

TOWN LIST (in progress):

Anen, evilpacman

And yes, I'm starting to feel a little normal so I'm actually talking

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don't like how you're voting for me over Chaos at this point though, given what you've suggested about Chaos it feels like he's confirmed scum to you. To me it feels like you're still sheeping wagons.

This is a really cheesy reason to revote me. Explain why a lynch on me would help the town, while a lynch on others wouldn't.

I think you've been slightly better than Misaka for most of the game, but I just don't like how your apathy has caused you to be so cautious/not willing to stick your neck out.

there are people who vote based on people's playstyle. that's what you're doing with your suspicions of me which apply to most players who have been lazy or haven't contributed much. Other than "sheeping wagons" - which is a broad term since any wagon that takes off must have enough sheepers... how are you voting me based on my intentions rather than my playstyle?

Your reads right now reflect thread sentiments, but offer no actually analysis of your own. I mean even if you are busy, you're gut should be pinging something when you read a post.

How did my reads reflect thread sentiments? Other than not carrying the weight I'm supposed to carry as a player in this game, I did not process and provide real reads.

As of now, I think the town plan should be lynch Bert, lynch Konowa if a cop doesn't claim tomorrow.

Having no cop claim tomorrow (why would a cop want to claim tomorrow?????!???) leads you to believe Konowa's scum? That's really dramatic, and having no cop while having a miller claim isn't as absolutely atrocious as you're framing it to be.

VOTE: Broodking

This is a really poor attempt to try to get me lynched. Way too half-hearted feeling, which is probably why not more people budged and moved their vote to me pre-claim. Also, there is no poignant frustration in your "attack" on me.

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Town: Cheery, Anen, evilpacman

Town but I worry about him with lots of tinfoil: Guyett

This player and his/her claim is giving me mind-games-headaches, so I REALLY don't have an unbiased opinion that I can put my finger on: chaos

Null - Konowa, Antihero

Scum: Broodking

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It's just getting frustrating at this point, because you have EPM saying "miller without cop is near bastard modding".

Scum must be underpowered and miller, me, was added for negative utility, balance. I'm pretty bad at setup stuff so I don't know.

A mini normal game can still have one non-normal role, I'm pretty sure. Lastly, you do not know if a cop exists!!! More WIFOM-tastic than my setup speculation, wow omg like wow. =O

Perhaps I am too far along the confbias train.

Yes you are.

I'm not even sure there was anything currently being questioned for you to catch up with.

Over the top activity in wanting town read.

This is actually true. It does seem like Anen just throws posts down to appear to be very active.

He has ignored the question I asked about his reads post, I also noticed that he said that the biggest "scum" reads of his are the people who are going after Konowa and does not have a really good case on why he things we are scum or why Konowa seems closer to town to him. Just comes off weird to me. Going to keep my vote though still on Konowa for now because out of everyone I still feel like Konowa is the biggest scum read I have.

Yeah, you've mentioned that multiple times. I just read your spoiled case that was really messy. Basically, your case is:

(1) Konowa instead of interacting with you voted you right out of the gate.
(2) Konowa didn't want you to claim your results just yet.
(3) Konowa misrepresented your post(s)
(4) Konowa has weird wording about how he/she must exist as a miller.

What am I missing? Why is that scum and your strongest scumread?

Don't let chaos breeze through on his claim. His play has been scum since D1.
I had written Boonskiies off as noob town, but Cheery's has been off.
Anen's play lately is starting to come off as scummier. The paranoia "Why isn't Konowa dead?" talk just looks like he is trying to setup a mislynch for later.
Anti is likely town due to D1 voting.
Bert/EPM/Guy are town.

"Just look at those people and let me go" is the feel of this post. I'm not sure why I'm commenting on this

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I'm still happy with a Guyett lynch, I'm not really seeing any epm stuff though.

I can't tell if it's just me being really really really paranoid about Guyett.

Like, I put him in my townreads (with a super shiny toy tinfoil asterisk). But, it's like he's purposely using way more aggressive/stronger language (not profane of course) to be more convincing, and usually I don't feel he does that as much as town.

There's usually a different kind of friendly-mode seriousness in his posts and I don't see that here.

I also feel like we'd be in the completely identical situation we are now without him. He hasn't given us a few alternatives for lynch today. Yesterday he seemed fine with FakeGod, not a bunch of follow-up, same with his late vote on Konowa today.

I don't know how much of this is tinfoil though.

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Do you really think that I'm Chevre's buddy? I put him on L–1 in 587. How would that have made sense if I were scum?

I've tried really hard to keep an open mind about you and have urged myself to look with a new perspective at your play, even though most everything you post trips alarms. But then you post reactions like this that scream absolute 100% scum.

Intent to hammer =/= to hammer. Also, why is it a surprise if I intend to hammer someone who may be a scum according to my reads?

Like EPM said, it's the eagerness in which you proceeded to claim intent that sets it apart from a plain "intent to hammer."

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I can see Annnnn scum after the eagerness to hammer in 1186. One of him or Konowa is dcum. I'd still rather start with a Konowa lynch because I feel like the role arguments against him are strongest.

We could lynch Anen instead. That righteous indignation of "why would I as scum ever put Chevre at Lynch -1?" makes me want to vote him/her sooooooooooooooooooooooo badly. Like flip my total read bad.

Probably chaos and Anen, but that would mean that they both bussed Chevre late D1 so take that for what it is worth.

We can all vote Anen.

VOTE: Anen

Guys I really think EPM is town after reading through some bits today. Like, strongest townread of mine type townread, in the form of a modern-day phokdapolees-town. I may be just out of my mind but it starts from the heart, dudes.

Cheery's pretty town (outside tinfoil land), like he's not jumping on other people's ideas and instead noticing evidence and stuffs. However the one thing of concern is he could lead out and be more convincing, the type that gets people to actually pile onto his wagons...and maybe he defend his strong townreads as if they are off-limits more. This game needs a leader after the FG/DJ exits.

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You're feigning apathy to get by without providing reasoning for votes or active scumhunting.

fact is you dont know whats true or not, or what happened IRL. i already explained i wasnt purposely avoiding this game

i joined this game to contribute and because i like the mod, and it wasn't my plan to go lol-watch-me-lurk for 1.5 months or however long this game has been going on. if i thought that would happen, i wouldnt have joined. stuff happens and i was withdrawing completely from crap for the last month and half plus

Gonna think this over a bit.

after my claim, you said the same "gonna think over this.' why do you need to say such things aloud?

i actually put in some time this afternoon to read Day 2 again, and I'm back to feeling best about chaos being scum.

VOTE: chaoslord

in a rush, will respond to that anen wall and whatever brood posted.

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tonight

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I have like a tiny 1/5 post typed up but it's sooooooooo rough and not ready. I copied it and then exited thinking I Don't want to send it now. Brood if you go "omg hes feigning apathy or trying to dismiss how scummy his post is going to look," you can save it and talk to the hand lol

You can have it though, because I'm feeling very nice:

I don't want Konowa lynched. I want Anen or chaos lynched. I think they are scum.

In general, I think the global town attitude is greatly affected by the scums.

that's the job of mafia

I don't want Konowa lynched. I want Anen or chaos lynched. I think they are scum.

@Anen: my not voting Chevre is not a scumtell. Meanwhile, hammering Chevre is not a towntell.

Tell me about it how town it is, ignoring my posts when I'M DOING something and making up a case about anything else.

this is so far from reality

Trying to prove due to Chaos' tracking that I'm town.

because the tracking means nothing other than you didn't submit the kill if scum or visit anyone, or you're a ninja

He ignored my long posts and started to scumread me, but, right after the Chaos wagon seemed to be stopped. Again, no real case against me.

i like condensed posts because long posts are hard to focus on but to each his/their own

what is your definition of a case? I see "there is no real case" everywhere I look, but I don't see how you can think that at this time. I'm out for tonight, but I can quote all the "reasonings" around about why you're scum. IT's one thing to not agree with a case. IT's another to proclaim bluntly that there is no reasoning and all of it is baloney (the worst kind of discredit ever imo).

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Prod dodge.

Busy.

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bert wtf are you doing this game?

playing terribly

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I'm not particularly interested in lynching EPM today.

I would rather lynch one of {ChaosLord, Anen, Konowa} in order of preference.

Reason being I have a gut feeling at least one of the claims is false.

why didn't you mention my claim. and you mentioned Anen who claimed VT.

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wow these dips in energy are so very annoying

um

is there even an updated VC, or anyone know how many votes people have? i havent kept up for the last few days...

also it looks like just 1 day and a half remaining until deadline so ill vote whomever whenever really

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4 hours left. I wish there were a votecount.

VOTE: Riddleton

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CHRISSSSSSSS

everybody loves chris

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hammered cos deadline in 3-4 hrs

um i targeted guyett randomly because i didnt think chaos was town, was p sure he/she was scum tbh

and even if i did, i bet scum has something to counter don and me, so it really doesnt matter

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i was willing to cos obvious kill first two nights

but then don got killed who was my strong townread and i was like hot damn

so then i got paranoid and trusted my scumread, chaos was like a shoo-in lynch the next day or two so i didnt feel the need to BG him/her

and plus, what got me was

she was claimed PR and KEPT GETTING RESULTS

like Mafia isn't blocking him, and like don is already a JK so scum must have something to counter

it made no sense, and i thought SCUM all the way. protecting scum every single night given how badly ive played is temporary insanity

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also guyett was a total random choice to BG

randomness

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VOTE: konowa